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A8 3870k and GTX 570

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September 16, 2012 7:50:17 PM

I just want to know if the 570 with be bottlenecked by the cpu

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September 16, 2012 8:38:20 PM

If you mean the Intel 3570K, not it will not.
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September 16, 2012 8:39:58 PM

The reason you buy a llano based cpu is because you plan on using the good integrated graphics.
If you are a gamer, a discrete graphics card like the GTX570 is a must.

Once you are using a discrete graphics card, a Intel cpu will be a stronger computing chip at any price point, and the weaker graphics is irrelevant.

If you already own the a8 3870K and want to upgrade the graphics for gaming, then A GTX570 is a good move.
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September 16, 2012 8:51:56 PM

Yes, the 3870K is an Athlon II core that has been slightly tweaked. Good for a basic office box and HTPC and nothing else. Also a 570 is utterly obsolete in 2012. Don't bother, a 7850 smashes it.
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September 16, 2012 8:57:48 PM

Smeg45 said:
Yes, the 3870K is an Athlon II core that has been slightly tweaked. Good for a basic office box and HTPC and nothing else. Also a 570 is utterly obsolete in 2012. Don't bother, a 7850 smashes it.

i know someone who has a new 570 and 580, will the 580 work and he is selling them to me at 100 for the 570 and then 125 or 135 for the 580, and i want to be playing dayz with this if that helps.
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September 16, 2012 8:58:09 PM

Smeg45 said:
Yes, the 3870K is an Athlon II core that has been slightly tweaked. Good for a basic office box and HTPC and nothing else. Also a 570 is utterly obsolete in 2012. Don't bother, a 7850 smashes it.



I am sorry but you're absolutely wrong.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/518?vs=549

Definitely not my definition of smashing. GTX 570 is absolutely not obsolete in any way and performs great. This said, 7850 is also a great card. But GTX 570 beats it in a lot of benchmarks too.
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September 16, 2012 8:59:29 PM

IamAutiz said:
i know someone who has a new 570 and 580, will the 580 work and he is selling them to me at 100 for the 570 and then 125 or 135 for the 580, and i want to be playing dayz with this if that helps.



At that price, I'd get the 580... even if it gets bottlenecked a little, you could just upgrade your CPU later on.
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September 16, 2012 9:00:32 PM

firedice said:
I am sorry but you're absolutely wrong.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/518?vs=549

Definitely not my definition of smashing. GTX 570 is absolutely not obsolete in any way and performs great. This said, 7850 is also a great card. But GTX 570 beats it in a lot of benchmarks too.


Irrelevant. Those Catalyst drivers are older. The 570 is old and useless. The 7850 is faster and uses less power and can be OC further. Nothing in Nvidia's 5xx range is worth buying anymore.
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September 16, 2012 9:05:03 PM

firedice said:
At that price, I'd get the 580... even if it gets bottlenecked a little, you could just upgrade your CPU later on.

yeah and im looking at getting the 2500k and selling this 3870k, its brand neww, even if it si for like 50 bucks, if that
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September 16, 2012 9:06:38 PM

Smeg45 said:
Irrelevant. Those Catalyst drivers are older. The 570 is old and useless. The 7850 is faster and uses less power and can be OC further. Nothing in Nvidia's 5xx range is worth buying anymore.

find that hard to believe, i bet the 590 can get close to the 7870 or 7950, http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7950-over... im new to this and i know better.
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September 16, 2012 9:07:18 PM

A card that plays nearly every title at 1080p or higher with anti-aliasing is clearly not obsolete in any way. Last gen cards are often discounted vs current gen cards with the same performance so you're probably getting a better price/performance by going with a 570. However Radeons in general are better price/performance than NVIDIA at most price points, so that balances out the discount you get for buying last-gen.
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September 16, 2012 9:11:11 PM

bgrt said:
A card that plays nearly every title at 1080p or higher with anti-aliasing is clearly not obsolete in any way. Last gen cards are often discounted vs current gen cards with the same performance so you're probably getting a better price/performance by going with a 570. However Radeons in general are better price/performance than NVIDIA at most price points, so that balances out the discount you get for buying last-gen.

but again, a 580 new is around 400, and im getting it for 135 at the most, so i was just wondering wether it would get bottlenecked, i wasnt looking for suggestions to other cards like some were suggesting
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September 16, 2012 9:25:27 PM

what are yalls thoughts on a 580 vs a 6950? he has that too, but i was thinking about soley NVidia
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September 16, 2012 9:44:00 PM

7870 vastly better than both.
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September 16, 2012 10:16:15 PM

IamAutiz said:
but again, a 580 new is around 400, and im getting it for 135 at the most, so i was just wondering wether it would get bottlenecked, i wasnt looking for suggestions to other cards like some were suggesting


My comment was addressing another guy's statement that the 570 is obsolete. But back to the original question, the A8 will bottleneck some games so I'd go with an i5-2500k in this setup. I would go and sell the A8. There are many people out there who will find the integrated graphics suitable for their needs and will pay full price for the chip.
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September 16, 2012 10:28:50 PM

bgrt said:
A card that plays nearly every title at 1080p or higher with anti-aliasing is clearly not obsolete in any way. Last gen cards are often discounted vs current gen cards with the same performance so you're probably getting a better price/performance by going with a 570. However Radeons in general are better price/performance than NVIDIA at most price points, so that balances out the discount you get for buying last-gen.


Not anymore. The 570 is beginning to age and you won't be running ultra at 1080p with it anymore. False economy, a 7850 or 70 is much much better. Period.
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September 16, 2012 10:56:13 PM

IamAutiz said:
what are yalls thoughts on a 580 vs a 6950? he has that too, but i was thinking about soley NVidia

You seem to have incited a fanboy squabble.
The GTX580 is a bit stronger than a 6950.
To compare different cards refer to this tiered list of graphics card performance:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...

There are differences other than performance.
Older cards like the GTX580 need more power and run hotter than the newer 28nm cards.
The 28nm cards include the amd 7000 series, and the nvidia GTX600 series.

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September 16, 2012 11:08:45 PM

IamAutiz said:
but again, a 580 new is around 400, and im getting it for 135 at the most, so i was just wondering wether it would get bottlenecked, i wasnt looking for suggestions to other cards like some were suggesting


If you're getting a 580 for $135, then I recommend turning around and selling it on Ebay for around $300 and getting a Radeon 7950 to replace it with the money from that sale.

Also, for a general performance comparison that you can use and is up to date, look at it this way:

Radeon 7950>GTX 580
GTX 580>GTX 570
GTX 580 ~= Radeon 7870
GTX 570 ~=Radeon 7850

Different games and settings will have variation from this, but on average, this is about what to expect in performance. Power consumption, on the other hand, will be huge in comparison between them. The 580 uses about twice as much power as the 7870 and almost three times as much as the 7850. The Radeon 7950 uses a little more power than the 7870. The GTX 570 uses very roughly 50% more power than the 7950.
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September 16, 2012 11:13:27 PM

^^^
+1. Selling the 580 for a 7950 is a good idea.
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September 16, 2012 11:50:19 PM

obsama1 said:
^^^
+1. Selling the 580 for a 7950 is a good idea.


That does not make sense to me.
If you spent $135 and have a good card in a GTX580, why sell it for $250 which is what they are going for on e-bay before commissions and shipping, then turn around and buy a $300 7950.
Yes, you get a new card, and yes, it will run cooler. But by and large the performance is comparable.
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September 16, 2012 11:54:08 PM

geofelt said:
That does not make sense to me.
If you spent $135 and have a good card in a GTX580, why sell it for $250 which is what they are going for on e-bay before commissions and shipping, then turn around and buy a $300 7950.
Yes, you get a new card, and yes, it will run cooler. But by and large the performance is comparable.


If the 580 is going for $250, then you could get the 7870 instead.

The point of it id that it will waste a lot less power without costing OP any extra money up-front. OP would effectively pay about $120-150 (depending on deals) for a new Radeon 7870 or 7950, so OP gets an excellent up-front cost without much higher power consumption that is noticed in the power bill. Oh sure, it's not a huge draw in the power bill, but it adds up after a few months to a few years to a considerable waste of money that can be solved by simply selling the cheap 580 and replacing it with a good 7950 or 7870. Cooler and lower power consumption are the point behind it, what more reasoning does there have to be?
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September 17, 2012 1:05:38 AM

Smeg45 said:
7870 vastly better than both.

i dont htink you know what your talking about
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September 17, 2012 1:10:03 AM

im getting a lot of insight, but i dont really feel like waiting to sell the 580, then waiting to buy a 7950, just too much time to wait, i want to start building soon.
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September 17, 2012 1:22:10 AM

IamAutiz said:
im getting a lot of insight, but i dont really feel like waiting to sell the 580, then waiting to buy a 7950, just too much time to wait, i want to start building soon.


It's your money, you do what you want with it. I can merely make recommendations. If you go for buying and keeping the 580, then make sure that your PSU is rated for no less than 30 amps total on the 12V rail(s).
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September 17, 2012 1:22:26 AM

also, can you run two different GPUs in a computer, im not talking about sli or crossfireX, but say a 570 and 580, have one monitor connected to each? just curios cause i now you cant sli or crossfire different gpus
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September 17, 2012 1:23:38 AM

You can have two different graphics cards running their own monitors separate from the other card.

Also, you can Crossfire different GPUs (within some limitations), it's just SLI that doesn't support different GPUs (although it sometimes works with the same GPU in different cards). For example, you can Crossfire a Radeon 7950 and a Radeon 7970 or a Radeon 6950 and a Radeon 6990; there are many possible combinations. Basically, you can Crossfire Radeons from the same family.
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September 17, 2012 1:35:58 AM

blazorthon said:
You can have two different graphics cards running their own monitors separate from the other card.

Also, you can Crossfire different GPUs (within some limitations), it's just SLI that doesn't support different GPUs (although it sometimes works with the same GPU in different cards). For example, you can Crossfire a Radeon 7950 and a Radeon 7970 or a Radeon 6950 and a Radeon 6990; there are many possible combinations. Basically, you can Crossfire Radeons from the same family.

alright cause im looking at two different cards, and i have some money to spare, i was going to get a 580 for the $135 but then see about getting a 7870 or 7950, but i just wasnt sure thanks a lot
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September 17, 2012 1:56:10 AM

Unless he is upgrading his CPU there is no point quibbling about the GPU. The A8 will bottleneck any of those GPU's in many but not all games.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

In guild wars 2 (an mmo which is often heavily cpu constrained) the llano gets about half the fps as the i5.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/guild-wars-2-perfor...

This comparison is the a8 3850 vs the i5 2400. The i5 beats the a8 by about 40% in the tested games.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/399?vs=363
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September 17, 2012 2:09:53 AM

IamAutiz said:
i dont htink you know what your talking about


Did you miss the post above you. A 7870 beats a 6950. It beats a 580. It beats BOTH.
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September 17, 2012 2:11:00 AM

whyso said:
Unless he is upgrading his CPU there is no point quibbling about the GPU. The A8 will bottleneck any of those CPU's in many but not all games.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

In guild wars 2 (an mmo which is often heavily cpu constrained) the llano gets about half the fps as the i5.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/guild-wars-2-perfor...

This comparison is the a8 3850 vs the i5 2400. The i5 beats the a8 by about 40% in the tested games.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/399?vs=363

well im selling the a8 because im going to get an i5 2500k or look at an 2400 for cheaper new on ebay, maybe
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September 17, 2012 2:15:36 AM

Smeg45 said:
Did you miss the post above you. A 7870 beats a 6950. It beats a 580. It beats BOTH.

but it doesn't, ive look at benchmarks and it doesnt, they are the same, and when you look at getting a 580 for $135 or a 7870 for $250 or around there, depending on manufacturer, you'll understand that the 580 is better, i didnt ask for your imput on what card to buy, i asked on imput for bottlenecking, and i would accept suggestions on new spus, but im going with a 580, and id get a 6950 before a 7870, because they are older but better, just like a 590 is better than something like a 670 or maybe even better than a 680, not sure, but i know it isnt than the 690, because it is newer
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September 17, 2012 2:21:41 AM

Smeg45 said:
Did you miss the post above you. A 7870 beats a 6950. It beats a 580. It beats BOTH.


A 7870 has a large lead on the 6950, but it doesn't really beat the 580 in performance, mostly just power consumption. I'd take a 7870 over a 580, but the 580 is generally not far off in performance at all.
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September 17, 2012 2:22:06 AM

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/hGRZ

this is what im hoping ti will look like when im done, i will at first only have one 580 but i will find another, Also have a kingston hyper x 128gb ssd. and monitor with K&M.
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September 17, 2012 2:22:41 AM

IamAutiz said:
but it doesn't, ive look at benchmarks and it doesnt, they are the same, and when you look at getting a 580 for $135 or a 7870 for $250 or around there, depending on manufacturer, you'll understand that the 580 is better, i didnt ask for your imput on what card to buy, i asked on imput for bottlenecking, and i would accept suggestions on new spus, but im going with a 580, and id get a 6950 before a 7870, because they are older but better, just like a 590 is better than something like a 670 or maybe even better than a 680, not sure, but i know it isnt than the 690, because it is newer


The 7870 has a very good lead on the 6950. A 590 beats them both, but at far higher power consumption and has very poor performacne for the money anyway (7870 Crossfire will beat a 590 significantly while being almost half the price). I'm not trying to tell you to not get the 580 if you want it, just stating facts. You will probably be quite happy with it. Also, the 670 is better than the 590, although not by much. Also, Radeon 7870 CF is better than GTX 580 SLI because they have better scaling. You'll probably need more than a 750W PSU for GTX 580 SLI. I wouldn't go below 850W and a 1KW isn't out of the question.
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September 17, 2012 2:35:00 AM

IamAutiz said:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/hGRZ

this is what im hoping ti will look like when im done, i will at first only have one 580 but i will find another, Also have a kingston hyper x 128gb ssd. and monitor with K&M.


The motherboard you picked is a smaller M-ATX motherboard. It is a very nice one with two pcie slots and can support sli.
But one problem is that the two graphics cards must be right next to each other. This causes the top card to get very hot.
The bottom card blocks the cooling air.
You might look at a full sized ATX motherboard instead where the graphics card slots can be well separated.

Also, sli gtx580 needs something like a 900w psu.
http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm
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