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~$2000 gaming pc. 1st build. Advice please! Canada

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September 16, 2012 10:39:41 PM

Hey everyone. I have been watching vids and researching in this forum and all over the web for about 5 months and I think I am ready to build! :bounce: 

Approximate Purchase Date: Will build it during first week of November. (Start ordering 3rd week of October? Is that too early to order?)

Budget Range: ~$2000 after rebates and shipping

System Usage from Most to Least Important: gaming, internet, I would like to helmet cam my winter motorcycling and snowboarding so maybe some video editing?

Are you buying a monitor: I'm thinking I probably should run triple monitors if I'm going SLI? On top of the ~$2000 build cost though.

Do you need to buy OS: Yes (I'm thinking I'll just go with stupid windows 8 since one can simply skip the metro garbage interface. But which version? I will be choked if it only comes available as OEM)

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: I'm in Canada so shipping cost is always a concern. I have no real preference though. I read on the boards here that "Any order over $50 @ Direct Canada is FREE SHIPPING and any order over $80 @ Best Direct Canada is FREE SHIPPING."

Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan (SK), Canada. To spell: Sally And Sam Kissed At The Church House Every Wednesday At Noon

Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: Yes

Water Cooling: No

Your Monitor Resolution: I have a Samsung SyncMaster 2243 1680x1050 Great for what it is but I should probably get some 23" monitors...

Additional Comments: I have some eye medical issues and am sensitive to bright lights. I detest bright or flashing lights. I would also prefer my PC to be as quiet as possible.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: I would like to play the newest RTS and FPS games on ultra graphics. My current setup sucks. Also SSD's make me salivate.


What I have purchased already: (Prices include taxes/shipping)

Coolermaster Storm Trooper Full Tower (local store)- $198

DAS Ultimate Keyboard: not including in build cost. Going for a more sleek/black theme

Logitech G400 Gaming Mouse: not including this in build cost.

Rosewill RTK-045 45 Piece Premium Computer Tool Kit: not including this in build cost (just listed here so that you guys can suggest anything I am missing for my first build... ;) 

The rest of the components which I am considering:

Should I wait until mid October to order the rest of my stuff in case prices drop?

MOBO: Please help. I dunno. Z77 right? What else? I want easy and good overclocking. Is Thunderbolt gonna be key? Room for 4 gpu's. A good motherboard is important so I don't want to skimp...

CPU: From what I've read, Core i7 is a kind of a waste of >$100 extra for a gaming cpu so I may as well go with a Core i5-3570K $214.79 from DirectCanada.

CPU Cooler: I must have a Noctua NH-D14!!!

GPU: Thinking nvidia. I want a SLI setup that kicks ass but I heard that a gtx 680 is not worth the price with the 670 being as overclockable as it is. I think I like the idea of having a TOP version but don't know the best place to get a couple... :heink: 

Memory: I will need low profile RAM so that will fit beneath the NH-D14. 1600MHz. I know that going over 8GB is pretty useless right now, but I'm thinking I may as well get 16GB. Sometimes I am a bit of a tab hoarder with 15+ tabs open in my browser... I welcome any advice on memory and have no preference as to type as long as it is low profile and at least 1600MHz. (Performance to price ratio starts plummeting after 1600MHz right?)

SSD: I have been in love with Samsung's 830 256Gb for months :love:  I must have it! It appears that it is still a top tier SSD.

HDD: I hate the idea of having a spinner in my system. :fou:  They seem so crappy. I have a 750GB WD external MyBook HDD from 3 years ago. I know it is slow over USB 2.0 but I can just use that for storage and put my OS and games on the SSD right? Buy another SSD next year when they are even cheaper?

PSU: I am a little OCD about having a high quality, fairly high W power supply. I am thinking Seasonic X-850
At Newegg.ca it is $14.59 sipping plus $11.73 tax for a total of $246.31

UPS: Uninteruptable power supplies are still quite expensive for ones that will work with a new type of pure sine wave power supply. The only real choice would be a CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD I am pretty pariniod, but is it worth it to spend $212.36 + tax on something that just protects my pc against bad/sudden loss of power? A think the power on the east side of Saskatoon is good (very few power outages) could I wait for a price drop?

Fans: Apparently the 200mm fan at the top of the CM Trooper is loud junk. I would like very very quiet fans with good airflow and as many as possible for some epic overclocking. I'm thinking...

- top: garbage the top 200mm and exchange with 2x140mm or 2x120mm.

- side: add 2x120mm side fans

- front: try out the current 2x120mm LED fans but if it is bright or loud change it out for a better one.

- back: try out the curent 120mm fan but change it out for a 140mm or 120mm if it is loud.

- bottom: add 2x120mm bottom fans

So, maximum: 9x120mm or 6x120mm + 3x140mm
minimum: 6x120mm or 2x140mm + 4x120mm

Any advice on fans would be great! (The fans don't need to be included in build cost either.)

I also wanted to mention thermal paste and cables...what do you think I should/need to get for my build?

Advice on ANY of the components is indeed welcome!

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a b 4 Gaming
September 16, 2012 10:59:26 PM

i could have gotten the storm trooper for 140 dollars

get this
http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/hFbU

ram
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=57953&vpn=F3-128...

should be good now


some more things to note

1: the more fans you add, the louder the rig no matter how good the fans are
2: if you were looking for silence, you should have gotten the 550D or the Define R4 cases
3:go ahead with the i5 at directcanada
4: the single 670 would be more than enough for current usage. the msi power edition would be the best one given it has a better cooler (slightly better than asus) and has overvolting support that no other 670 has
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September 16, 2012 11:17:54 PM

Sry I forgot to say, I have an optical drive already.

TheBigTroll: I need low profile ram.

I'd like a system that can run games on 3 monitors, ultra graphics for a couple of years at least.
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September 16, 2012 11:34:29 PM

TheBigTroll said:
i could have gotten the storm trooper for 140 dollars if you were looking for silence, you should have gotten the 550D or the Define R4 cases


With the cost of shipping a full tower + tax, there is no way I could get a storm trooper to Saskatchewan for less than $190.
I wanted a full tower case, air flow before silence.
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September 17, 2012 12:30:21 AM

I realized that my original post was very long winded. Here's a summary... $2000 budget

Case: Already have a CM StormTrooper

CPU: Core i5-3570K $214.79 from DirectCanada

CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14

GPUs: 2x670 in SLI but which one? MSI power edition as BigTroll says?

Memory: I need low profile to fit under NH-D14

HDD: NONE, I will use my crappy external.

SSD: Samsung 830 256GB.

PSU: Seasonic X-850 At Newegg.ca it is $14.59 sipping plus $11.73 tax for a total of $246.31

Fans: 9x120mm or 6x120mm + 3x140mm which kind though? (Not part of budget)

What do you think?
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a b 4 Gaming
September 17, 2012 12:37:18 AM

1: i have that ram and the d14 cooler and it fits
2:well yeah after tax
3: power edition it is
4: you dont need 850w. the 750 i suggested is more than enough
5: you are going to get a pretty loud rig

if you are doing multiple monitors (playing fps on 3 monitors is screwed up in my experience), id get a 7970 instead

http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=67173&vpn=FX797ATDBC&...
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September 17, 2012 12:53:42 AM

4. But I would really like to go triple monitor, I tried it once and it was sweet. And so I would like to go SLI or Crossfire, and I thought SLI was far easier/better for a triple monitor setup no? Wouldn't I want 850W for 2 or more gpu?
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a b 4 Gaming
September 17, 2012 1:00:04 AM

id go dual 7970s. more vram helps and that 7970s are generally better for that

750w is more than enough
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September 17, 2012 1:13:37 AM

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/363363-31-tomshardwar...
Reading that post it seems you are correct, though the 7970s seem to run really loud...

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7 [...] e_load.gif
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"The jump in power consumption also directly affects temperature and noise. While temperatures are just ok with 83°C under load, noise is completely unacceptable. The card runs at 51 dBA - one of the noisiest cards ever tested, noisier than NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 480."

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews [...] on/33.html
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"As a result the 7970Ghz isn’t only loud but it’s in a category of its own, exceeding the GTX 680 by nearly 10dBA!"
"The 7970GE is without question the loudest single-GPU video card we have seen in quite some time, and that’s nothing for AMD to be proud of."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6025 [...] gtx-680/16

Quote:
"The end result is that while AMD has tied NVIDIA for the single-GPU performance crown with the Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition, the GeForce GTX 680 is still the more desirable gaming card. There are a million exceptions to this statement of course (and it goes both ways), but as we said before, these cards may be tied but they're anything but equal."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6025 [...] gtx-680/19




How about this Samsung RAM, flawless reviews! I'm pretty sold on this...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If 750w is more than enough for 2 or 3 years to come, why do they even make 1050w PSUs?
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a b 4 Gaming
September 17, 2012 1:41:40 AM

Those are most likely review from the stock get the one not inside stock like these ones
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

the reviews(on newegg and on forums) are great.

and yes, the 680 pretty much matches the 7970 Ghz. if you are going to do 3d, Nvidia. if you are not i would go with a 7970 Ghz since the performance is pretty much the same on a single monitor and has even more performance in a multi monitor setup. Also it CFs better than 680s
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a b 4 Gaming
September 17, 2012 1:42:35 AM

Forgot to mention, if you want to replace fans with LED fans Cooler master has some nice LED fans
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September 17, 2012 1:52:36 AM

boulbox said:
Those are most likely review from the stock get the one not inside stock like these ones
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

the reviews(on newegg and on forums) are great.

and yes, the 680 pretty much matches the 7970 Ghz. if you are going to do 3d, Nvidia. if you are not i would go with a 7970 Ghz since the performance is pretty much the same on a single monitor and has even more performance in a multi monitor setup. Also it CFs better than 680s


boulbox said:
Forgot to mention, if you want to replace fans with LED fans Cooler master has some nice LED fans


I have no 3d plans, I guess if nothing changes in the next month, I will go with a Crossfire 7970 Ghz setup!

I hate bright flashy lights, no LEDs for me, just max airflow + as quiet as possible...
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a b 4 Gaming
September 17, 2012 10:50:47 AM

they sold it for 399.99 2 weeks ago. go check at wendsday night and they will have a new sale up and running
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September 17, 2012 11:27:08 PM

Awesome!
That all looks great, thank you very much, but I was thinking that I'd like to spend more on the MOBO, and get 16GB of RAM.

Although the reviews I read for the
Z77X-UD5H GA- are great, couldn't I get a more feature rich/"future proof" board for like $250-$300?

And I know I'm just being OCD, but I want 16GB of RAM just in case stupid Windows 8 can actually utilize it. Is there any way I can I get that sexy
G.SKILL Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL DDR3-1600 CL9-9-9-24 Memory in 16GB?
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a b 4 Gaming
September 18, 2012 12:23:36 AM

here is the motherboard. great deal too
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX38916

you can but not futureproof as nothing is future proof. a asus z77-v pro has better software and a wifi card included but it costs 30 dollars more not including tax

windows 8 is less demanding than windows 7. just get one kit and call it a day
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September 18, 2012 5:03:38 AM

My bad, I meant sarcasm when I put "future proof" in quotations.

I looked at a bunch of reviews and you are right, I will go with the UD5H.
*edit: I just read that it has a bad port configuration for PS/2 keyboards* Maybe I shouldn't as I would like to utilize the excellent key rollover of the DAS Ultimate.

I will also follow your advice and get an that 8Gb RAM kit.

I think I want to get an 850W PSU though!

I will choose best answer to close the topic tomorrow in case I am annoying people ;) 
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September 18, 2012 12:03:18 PM

It does seem like the best board to get but this is a the commemnt mentioning ports... http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX38916/Reviews

Quote:
Weaknesses:
Poor DVI/VGA slot placement for the onboard graphics ports, why is it on top of all the other ports? Would be better if the USB slots are up there! Including a hybrid PS/2 keyboard/mouse port would be useful especially those gamers that need NRKO keyboards.

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a b 4 Gaming
September 18, 2012 4:52:07 PM

yeah but the 6-20 key rollovers are more than enough for gaming. i highly doubt in a game you have to press more keys than that

for the display outputs, i dont see any problem. to accomidate for the extra usbs and nics, they probably had to put it there

if you base a product solely by reviews, it would be kinda dumb since some people are dumb enough to complain about the layout even though they already knew that (or was too dumb to notice)

so yeah. i dont see any problem and i would recommend that board
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September 19, 2012 2:08:16 AM

Best answer selected by gar9.
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