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January 31, 2013 6:40:37 PM

Hello,

It's time for a new rig as my components are getting old. The purpose of my new build is to run smoothly programs such as Photoshop or render 3D graphix in Blender. The thing is that people say that Intel is better for PS while AMD is better for rendering and I don't know which one to choose?! My OS is Win 7 Professional 64-bit. I was thinking maybe FX-8350 or Intel Xeon E3-1240 V2. I'd also like to have SSD (60-64GB would be more than enough). Please help me!

My Current Specs:

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 940
Motherboard: ASRock A780GXH/128M
Memory: 4,00 GB DDR2 @ 667 Mhz
Storage: 500GB Seagate (SATAII) x2
GPU: ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics
Power Supply: Amacrox Warrior 400W
Optical Drive: ASUS DRW-24B3ST

January 31, 2013 8:33:47 PM

get the fx 8350 as you already have an amd mobo! also if you add extra 4gb of ram it may help! for ssd my suggestions are crucial m4/samsung 830/samsung 840 pro/intel 520. buy the cheapest you can find!
January 31, 2013 8:44:53 PM

How much are you looking to spend?
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January 31, 2013 8:50:23 PM

you've already got the AMD motherboard... update the bios and get the FX 8350... save yourself some cash
January 31, 2013 8:51:47 PM

+1 antonisrsx. You already have an AMD board, get an 8 core FX, and don't look back. Like his SSD recommendations as well, may also want to look at OCZ Vector as well. right up there with the Samsung 840 pro.
January 31, 2013 9:14:55 PM

ingtar33 said:
you've already got the AMD motherboard... update the bios and get the FX 8350... save yourself some cash

According to ASRock, the AMD FX 8350 processor is not compatible with the A780GXH/128M motherboard. The FX 8350 is a socket AM3+ and the motherboard only does AM2/AM2+/AM3. The best processor listed on Newegg that is compatible with the A780GXH/128M is the Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition for $100.

If you want to cut costs then stick with your current motherboard, grab a CPU from your ASRock's CPU Support List for the A780GXH/128M and upgrade to 8GB of DDR2 800 RAM.

If you are ok spending $300-400 then upgrade your CPU, MB, and RAM to something more current. My personal choice if you went this way would probably be a $200 Core i5 processor with a $100-130 motherboard and a dual channel 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 kit. If your preference though is AMD and 8 physical cores then you could go a similar route with the FX-8350 processor and new MB and RAM.
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January 31, 2013 9:22:29 PM

Isaiah4110 said:
According to ASRock, the AMD FX 8350 processor is not compatible with the A780GXH/128M motherboard. The FX 8350 is a socket AM3+ and the motherboard only does AM2/AM2+/AM3. The best processor listed on Newegg that is compatible with the A780GXH/128M is the Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition for $100.

If you want to cut costs then stick with your current motherboard, grab a CPU from your ASRock's CPU Support List for the A780GXH/128M and upgrade to 8GB of DDR2 800 RAM.

If you are ok spending $300-400 then upgrade your CPU, MB, and RAM to something more current. My personal choice if you went this way would probably be a $200 Core i5 processor with a $100-130 motherboard and a dual channel 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 kit. If your preference though is AMD and 8 physical cores then you could go a similar route with the FX-8350 processor and new MB and RAM.



you're right about part of this. It looks like that MB isn't being actively supported anymore. That said, there is no issue with an AM3+ being stuck in an AM3 or even AM2+ or even an old AM2 motherboard assuming there is the proper bios update to support it.

Part of the glories of using AMD... i know as i've stuck AM3 pheonom II x4 965 chips into old old old AM2 mbs... of course with the proper bios update.

but you're right... that motherboard won't support a FX8350... as there is no bios update for it.
January 31, 2013 11:56:51 PM

AMD if you're on a budget, Intel if you don't care about price.
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February 1, 2013 12:06:28 AM

^even a 2500k is better than a 8350 for these tasks. does it with considerably less power consumption as well and has more overclocking headroom.

i got my 2500k 2 years ago for 180 dollars...

the only answer here is intel
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February 1, 2013 12:41:00 AM

I would wait for haswell. You still have a decent cpu. LGA 1155 is dead no more CPUs will be made for the socket. Wait for haswell. You still have a nice cpu
February 2, 2013 1:50:54 PM

henrypenton said:
How much are you looking to spend?


$500-$550
February 2, 2013 1:56:49 PM

I think I'll buy something like that:

Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 $55
ASRock B75 PRO3 LGA 1155 $75
OCZ Vertex 3 VTX3-25SAT3-60G 2.5" 60GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) $70
Intel Xeon E3-1245 V2 Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Server Processor $275

Subtotal: $475.96 (no shipping)

I chose this processor since it has built-in graphic card though I don't know how good it is. I would wait for Haswell but I don't think they'll be cheap and I can't wait a few more months before the prices drop to a more normal level. Just tell me if the parts I chose will work OK, thanks.
February 2, 2013 3:17:25 PM

Frillo said:
I think I'll buy something like that:

Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 $55
ASRock B75 PRO3 LGA 1155 $75
OCZ Vertex 3 VTX3-25SAT3-60G 2.5" 60GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) $70
Intel Xeon E3-1245 V2 Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Server Processor $275

Subtotal: $475.96 (no shipping)

I chose this processor since it has built-in graphic card though I don't know how good it is. I would wait for Haswell but I don't think they'll be cheap and I can't wait a few more months before the prices drop to a more normal level. Just tell me if the parts I chose will work OK, thanks.


If you want integrated graphics and a cheap price tag get the AMD A10 5800k no questions.
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February 2, 2013 3:37:12 PM

sheepsnowadays said:
If you want integrated graphics and a cheap price tag get the AMD A10 5800k no questions.


did you even read the first comment? she didnt say she wanted a cheap gaming rig, she said she wants a machine for rendering. your suggestion is terrible.
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February 2, 2013 5:20:42 PM

you are not "stuck" with 4x 965 BE, you could also upgrade to phenom x6 T1100
February 2, 2013 10:13:45 PM

chromic said:
you are not "stuck" with 4x 965 BE, you could also upgrade to phenom x6 T1100


Out of stock, not available. I could buy used AMD Phenom II X6 1045T ($130) but I'd be stuck with 4 GB DDR2 @ 667Mhz :??: 
8 GB DDR2 @ 800Mhz cost approx. $200 spending that much on an outdated technology...? :pfff: 

I think the option with Xeon is much better in this situation.
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February 2, 2013 10:25:35 PM

if you arent going dual socket, why do you want a xeon?

edit: nevermind, looked it up for myself. if you arent interested in overclock it is a cheaper alternative. it also runs on less volts and has a lower thermal rating.

i can see the appeal.

worth noting that it has no gpu though.
February 2, 2013 10:47:16 PM

neon neophyte said:


worth noting that it has no gpu though.


This one Intel Xeon E3-1245 V2 has GPU it's called P 4000.
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February 2, 2013 11:00:57 PM

so it does. why choose it over a 3770?
February 3, 2013 12:35:53 AM

It depends on your budget.
February 3, 2013 3:14:48 AM

neon neophyte said:
did you even read the first comment? she didnt say she wanted a cheap gaming rig, she said she wants a machine for rendering. your suggestion is terrible.



Settle down man. AMD over clocked that thing to 8 GHz...

That's a nice processor, you couldn't prove to me in a real life situation that I would be happier with either. Buy AMD for cheaper, spend the SAVED money to cool it. Don't haggle over millisecond increments and 2 seconds faster for 100 shiny dollars.
February 3, 2013 9:09:26 AM

neon neophyte said:
so it does. why choose it over a 3770?


Xeon $275
3770 $400

A really BIG difference.

February 3, 2013 9:12:37 AM

Tlight131 said:
Settle down man. AMD over clocked that thing to 8 GHz...

That's a nice processor, you couldn't prove to me in a real life situation that I would be happier with either. Buy AMD for cheaper, spend the SAVED money to cool it. Don't haggle over millisecond increments and 2 seconds faster for 100 shiny dollars.



FX-8350 can overclock to 8 GHz and is better to rendering because it uses all 8 cores, that's a fact. BUT overclocked it uses 280-320W under load - that's waaaay too much. Energy is expensive. Besides FX-8350 cost $283 -- it's more than Xeon ;) 
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February 3, 2013 1:10:48 PM

a 3770 is only 10 dollars more than that xeon

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

also, 8 ghz? nobody on these forums has an 8 ghz fx-8350 and there is a reason why.

i already showed you the benchmarks, an 8350 isnt better for rendering. realistically both intel and amd can run at 5ghz. amd is already closer to that 5 ghz meanwhile intel performs better. when intel is overclocked to 5 ghz, it performs even better than the benchmarks differences i showed you.
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February 3, 2013 4:28:14 PM

doesnt matter, you wont be able to overclock it over 5
February 4, 2013 1:05:32 PM

Can somebody tell me what is the best option?! PLEASE!
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February 4, 2013 6:46:27 PM

Frillo said:
In US it is only a difference of 10 dollars but not in my country ;)  The prices here are:

Xeon $275
3770 $400
FX-8350 $283


Frillo said:
Can somebody tell me what is the best option?! PLEASE!


if that's your option the 8350 will give you the best bang for the buck. It's much better then 3/4 the performance of a 3770, yet it's running at about 3/4 the price. It's also a moderately better chip then the Xeon E3-1245 at just a slight price hike...

in short you'll get the best bang for your buck going with the FX 8350 between those 3 options at those 3 price points.

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February 4, 2013 6:54:48 PM

how is it better than a e3-1245?
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