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September 18, 2012 3:48:53 AM

Hello,
Approximate Purchase Date: End of Sept. 2012

Budget Range: 1000-1500

System Usage from Most to Least Important: home business to home family compu. i.e. office applications to video editing to low end gaming and cad work. may act as a home server as well.

Are you buying a monitor: yes



Do you need to buy OS: Yes Win7?

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: I look on Newegg but any site is alright.

Location: Newport, RI

Parts Preferences: Any reliable company accepted

Overclocking: doubtful

SLI or Crossfire: no


Your Monitor Resolution: up to 720p, I may also patch the Video out to a 46" Smart Samsung TV

Additional Comments: Want to make sure the parts I plan on getting are compatible, tired of recommendations that are out of stock or "company does not warranty combo deals."


Parts
Mobo: onboard audio is fine, USB3, 6Gb/s sata 3. You tell me which is affordable and mid to semi high end.

HDD: Ive had two Seagate's crash on me last year so again... you tell me which is best. I would like a SSD at least 128GB for primary boot.

2nd HDD: 1.5 TB

Wireless Card: no

Processor: Intel i5 to i7 3.4? plse advise

Graphics Card: middle range is fine, plse advise

Ram: at least 8GB

OS: Windows 7 64bit Home premium?

I need a none gimmick case: no clear view window, or flashing lights. just a Mid or tower with external UB3, esata, audio out, and good ventilation.

Flash drive: 9 in one reader

PSU: ? 650W??

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September 18, 2012 3:50:52 AM

If you're gaming at 720p, then I wouldn't recommend a budget over $700, if even that high.
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September 19, 2012 12:22:02 AM

blazorthon said:
If you're gaming at 720p, then I wouldn't recommend a budget over $700, if even that high.

ok Blazorthon, I am tired of looking at Newegg and selecting hardware then scratching my noggin wondering if I have selected "compatible parts " or..... over spent. I guess I just want future proofing.
Can you give me a shopping list to look at for what i have listed?
I have a shopping cart worth 1200 $ on newegg ready to go but dont know how to attach to this thread?
I think I have been "browsing" wishing and hoping to buy and build for about 2 years now and never had the nerve to do so. so If I can have a recommendation of parts?
so assuming 720p is so inferior I take it everone games at 1080+ or what do you recommend.
So Im a newbie...... educate me?
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September 19, 2012 3:24:06 AM

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/hTDG

What do you think of this?

By the time gaming can use even 8GB better than 4GB, this computer will probably be obsolete, so I see no reason to get more than 8GB of RAM for a gaming build.

Unless you want to shoot for over 4GHz overclocks, there's really no good reason to get a K edition i5. Even the non-K editions can meet or beat 4GHz without a problem.

The GTX 550 Ti is a far, far weaker graphics card than the Radeon 7870. The 7870 has a huge lead over even GTX 550 TI SLI.

I really don't see much reason in spending more than $200 on a 1080p monitor. The one that I picked out here is also LED and IPS as well as having otherwise similar specs except for the maximum brightness being a little lower.

Vertex 4 is a somewhat superior SSD to the Samsung 830 despite being cheaper.
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September 19, 2012 5:42:16 AM

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September 19, 2012 12:31:17 PM

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-overcloc...

Thats the gaming cpu Hierarchy Chart a good thing to look at when considering a cpu.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...

And thats the gpu Hierarchy Chart a good thing to look at when considering a gpu

If i were to make a build with your budget it would be http://pcpartpicker.com/p/hUVW

I used your build as a template and just replaced a few parts. No need to get a k series cpu unless you are going to over clock as that is what the k series is designed for. The 2500 without over clocking (notice the one i suggested is a non k series) is still considered to be a high end gaming cpu. No need to have a k series as i said though unless you want to go with over clocking. My suggestion would be to check out those 2 charts your self and make decisions on them based on your budget and preference.

And also read up on each of your choices to see if any one previously had problems with them before so that you know what to watch out for. But that is my suggestion.
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September 19, 2012 1:06:52 PM

zolton33 said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-overcloc...

Thats the gaming cpu Hierarchy Chart a good thing to look at when considering a cpu.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...

And thats the gpu Hierarchy Chart a good thing to look at when considering a gpu

If i were to make a build with your budget it would be http://pcpartpicker.com/p/hUVW

I used your build as a template and just replaced a few parts. No need to get a k series cpu unless you are going to over clock as that is what the k series is designed for. The 2500 without over clocking (notice the one i suggested is a non k series) is still considered to be a high end gaming cpu. No need to have a k series as i said though unless you want to go with over clocking. My suggestion would be to check out those 2 charts your self and make decisions on them based on your budget and preference.

And also read up on each of your choices to see if any one previously had problems with them before so that you know what to watch out for. But that is my suggestion.


Unfortunately, those charts are much less relevant than one might think. They apply to extremely broad averages and/or outlying situations. For example, a Phenom II x4 955 might not be near the top of the list, but it'll play pretty much any game excellently unless you want to max out a 120Hz display. Even more confusing is when you play games such as BF3 MP and an FX-6100 beats the crap out of a similarly priced i3 (both in realistic performance and in synthetic comparisons).

The graphics chart is even less useful because different games can have wildly differing favorites between different cards (for example, some games might prefer even a Radeon 6950 over a GTX 580 or a GTX 660 over a Radeon 7970, although such instnaces aren't common) and even with the same game, different settings can really muddy things up. For example, in Batman: AC, the GTX 670 might seem to beat a Radeon 7950 when you have little to no AA, but if you pump it up to 4x MSAA or 8xMSAA, the 670 is easily beaten by the Radeon 7950 and even the Radeon 7870 in many cases.

The charts are a basis for how high-end something is, but they do not necessarily even come close to reflecting realistic performance. They're like using synthetic benchmarks to make your build choices.
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September 19, 2012 1:32:09 PM

I in no way stated that it is the end all beat all answer in what cpu/gpu is best. But it does serve as a good guide line in knowing where and how things stack up. My amd athlon 64 x2 4400+ toledo has yet to find a game it can not run. It is over 6 years old. Even game requirements can be wrong on what will or will not play the game.

And yes some programs/games/os can have some companies it favors over others. Windows 7 works awesome with intel chips while it seems to work against amd's. But those charts are great in looking to see where a card/cpu fits in the over all scheme of things. It is a great place to start in finding which cpu/gpu will serve your purpose. Is all the home work done by just looking at those charts? No but you can use it perfectly as a starting point.

Many people are quick to recommend an ivy bridge cpu when just a few months ago a sandy bridge was the highly recommended chip for gaming and next year it will be the be the next new chip as one example. It is hard to recommend a build without your own prejudices for certain components coming through. Personally i love amd chips as mine has performed well above and beyond what it was supposed to be capable of. But in most cases the intel chips have been beating the snot out of amd in over all price and performance.

And in some cases the same can be said for either side of nvidia and radeon. So a persons personal feeling and prejudices and expectations can easily influence what they recommend as the best. Which is why i suggested they themselves look at the cpu/gpu charts and make their own decision based on what will work best for them. But i will say that i do not recommend a k series intel cpu unless that person plans to over clock it. It be like putting nos in a car with no intent to ever use it lol
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September 19, 2012 1:39:55 PM

Also on a side note all the builds i saw so far recommended seemed to of forgot a keyboard >_< so when i chose my recommendation i included one in the build :p  Not sure if the op forgot it or what but it be a shame to set all the system up and not have one to navigate the bios lol
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September 19, 2012 2:38:07 PM

Thanks for your time on this one guys.
I'll digest all this and get back with (hopefully) some intelligent Q's.
thanks again
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September 19, 2012 2:47:42 PM

Glad to help.
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September 19, 2012 2:53:35 PM

OK ..... stuppit Build question # 1...
Why do many Mboards have VGA, DVI HDMI out ... then say onboard video..NONE?
surely if you have all these video connections you would have an onboard video chipset.
i.e. the analog sound connections with sound onboard with the option of installing a sound card.. why not the same with video? was that suitably stuppit? : )
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September 19, 2012 2:55:21 PM

Those connections are for when the CPU has an IGP and you want to use it to power displays. There really isn't an on-board video chipset on those boards if they're using an LGA 1155 sockter, LGA 1156 socket, or an FM1 socket; the video connectors are for the IGP of the CPU.
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September 19, 2012 6:23:15 PM

Ok Q. #2,

Just as heads up on the topic i have read in some posts:

Not wishing to fry my RAM, or any other component for that matter, do I look at the various power supplies coming from the PSU to see if the RAM supply voltage is listed.
What are the other power rating considerations to be made? ..... Apart from the overall Wattage being able to handle the total power requirements of all hardware.
101 build ed continues..... Thanks again.
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September 19, 2012 6:30:49 PM

Haggismuncher said:
Ok Q. #2,

Just as heads up on the topic i have read in some posts:

Not wishing to fry my RAM, or any other component for that matter, do I look at the various power supplies coming from the PSU to see if the RAM supply voltage is listed.
What are the other power rating considerations to be made? ..... Apart from the overall Wattage being able to handle the total power requirements of all hardware.
101 build ed continues..... Thanks again.

520w - 550w and your good to go. That Seasonic I posted in that build will handle any of those cards.
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September 19, 2012 6:37:36 PM

The motherboard controls RAM voltage, not the PSU. The BIOS has controls that you can use to modify this if you want to. I recommend using memory at 1.5V. DDR3 RAM doesn't really have high power consumption needs in modern desktops that have fewer than eight higher voltage modules, so don't worry about it.

I'd have to re-check the recommended CPU/NB and NB voltages to be sure, but you could just leave them at stock for now. Why_Me's recommended PSU wattage is good too.
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September 29, 2012 12:19:33 PM

Best answer selected by Haggismuncher.
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