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So I'm upgrading the BIOS on my motherboard's disk controller, and lo and
behold, Photoshop CS2 gags. It essentially tells me that it thinks I might
be a crook and am trying to use it on a different machine, and will *not*
reactivate on-line. So I call up the number it gives, and guess what, it's
only good for normal business hours (not 11pm PDT). This morning I get ahold
of a real live person and, eleven minutes later, have it running again.
But what would I have done if this were my laptop and I was trying to update
my website from France or wherever?
My point is this: You should always have an entirely different backup image
editing program on your computer, something to use in cases like this.
Photoshop CS2 is particularly nasty because it won't even give you two or
three days before it shuts down... as soon as it thinks something's amiss,
that's it. Boom. You're hosed.
I never considered this before last night, and it gives me good reason to
stay proficient with Corel's Photopaint. We worry so much about something
happening to our camera hardware, but never think about what happens in the
field if our image editing capabilities suddenly vanish.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>
> So I'm upgrading the BIOS on my motherboard's disk controller, and lo and
> behold, Photoshop CS2 gags. It essentially tells me that it thinks I might
> be a crook and am trying to use it on a different machine, and will *not*
> reactivate on-line. So I call up the number it gives, and guess what, it's
> only good for normal business hours (not 11pm PDT). This morning I get ahold
> of a real live person and, eleven minutes later, have it running again.
>
> But what would I have done if this were my laptop and I was trying to update
> my website from France or wherever?
>
> My point is this: You should always have an entirely different backup image
> editing program on your computer, something to use in cases like this.
> Photoshop CS2 is particularly nasty because it won't even give you two or
> three days before it shuts down... as soon as it thinks something's amiss,
> that's it. Boom. You're hosed.
>
> I never considered this before last night, and it gives me good reason to
> stay proficient with Corel's Photopaint. We worry so much about something
> happening to our camera hardware, but never think about what happens in the
> field if our image editing capabilities suddenly vanish.
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
Which is precisely why I will never buy CS2, or CS, and why I stick with
win2000. Activation is the biggest PITA in the software business.
Software companies take note.
Colin D.
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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
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> So I'm upgrading the BIOS on my motherboard's disk controller, and lo and
> behold, Photoshop CS2 gags. It essentially tells me that it thinks I might
> be a crook and am trying to use it on a different machine, and will *not*
> reactivate on-line.
I've had the same problem when a I had to re-install the OS...I still
haven't managed to get CS2 working again and have reverted to PS-7....there
was nothing too critically different in CS2 to 7 that I actually use to make
it worth going through the pain of dealing with Adobe Tech suppport again. I
gave up after 10 minutes on hold last time.
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> Which is precisely why I will never buy CS2, or CS, and why I stick with
> win2000. Activation is the biggest PITA in the software business.
> Software companies take note.
At least Microsoft still allows your system to function normally, for either
a few days or some odd number of restarts, don't recall which. Photoshop CS2
has no such grace period.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"Colin D" <ColinD@killspam.127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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>
>
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>
>> So I'm upgrading the BIOS on my motherboard's disk controller, and lo and
>> behold, Photoshop CS2 gags. It essentially tells me that it thinks I
>> might
>> be a crook and am trying to use it on a different machine, and will *not*
>> reactivate on-line. So I call up the number it gives, and guess what,
>> it's
>> only good for normal business hours (not 11pm PDT). This morning I get
>> ahold
>> of a real live person and, eleven minutes later, have it running again.
>>
>> But what would I have done if this were my laptop and I was trying to
>> update
>> my website from France or wherever?
>>
>> My point is this: You should always have an entirely different backup
>> image
>> editing program on your computer, something to use in cases like this.
>> Photoshop CS2 is particularly nasty because it won't even give you two or
>> three days before it shuts down... as soon as it thinks something's
>> amiss,
>> that's it. Boom. You're hosed.
>>
>> I never considered this before last night, and it gives me good reason to
>> stay proficient with Corel's Photopaint. We worry so much about something
>> happening to our camera hardware, but never think about what happens in
>> the
>> field if our image editing capabilities suddenly vanish.
>>
>> --Mike Jacoubowsky
>> Chain Reaction Bicycles
>> www.ChainReaction.com
>> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>
> Which is precisely why I will never buy CS2, or CS, and why I stick with
> win2000. Activation is the biggest PITA in the software business.
> Software companies take note.
>
> Colin D.
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So...after you buy Photoshop go on-line and download a crack. Then you can
fix the problems yourself.
--
Thanks,
Gene Palmiter
(visit my photo gallery at http://palmiter.dotphoto.com)
freebridge design group
www.route611.com & Route 611 Magazine
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
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> So I'm upgrading the BIOS on my motherboard's disk controller, and lo and
> behold, Photoshop CS2 gags. It essentially tells me that it thinks I might
> be a crook and am trying to use it on a different machine, and will *not*
> reactivate on-line. So I call up the number it gives, and guess what, it's
> only good for normal business hours (not 11pm PDT). This morning I get
> ahold of a real live person and, eleven minutes later, have it running
> again.
>
> But what would I have done if this were my laptop and I was trying to
> update my website from France or wherever?
>
> My point is this: You should always have an entirely different backup
> image editing program on your computer, something to use in cases like
> this. Photoshop CS2 is particularly nasty because it won't even give you
> two or three days before it shuts down... as soon as it thinks something's
> amiss, that's it. Boom. You're hosed.
>
> I never considered this before last night, and it gives me good reason to
> stay proficient with Corel's Photopaint. We worry so much about something
> happening to our camera hardware, but never think about what happens in
> the field if our image editing capabilities suddenly vanish.
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> So I'm upgrading the BIOS on my motherboard's disk controller, and lo
> and behold, Photoshop CS2 gags. It essentially tells me that it
> thinks I might be a crook and am trying to use it on a different
> machine, and will *not* reactivate on-line. So I call up the number
> it gives, and guess what, it's only good for normal business hours
> (not 11pm PDT). This morning I get ahold of a real live person and,
> eleven minutes later, have it running again.
> But what would I have done if this were my laptop and I was trying to
> update my website from France or wherever?
>
> My point is this: You should always have an entirely different backup
> image editing program on your computer, something to use in cases
> like this. Photoshop CS2 is particularly nasty because it won't even
> give you two or three days before it shuts down... as soon as it
> thinks something's amiss, that's it. Boom. You're hosed.
>
> I never considered this before last night, and it gives me good
> reason to stay proficient with Corel's Photopaint. We worry so much
> about something happening to our camera hardware, but never think
> about what happens in the field if our image editing capabilities
> suddenly vanish.
Perhaps it's time to move to a USB hardware "key" like my recent purchase of
Proshow Presenter does. The cool part is that I can install and use it on
any number of machines, but can only run it on one *at a time.* For me,
this is great, since I can run it at home, at work, and on my
laptop---wherever *I* am.
I think this is a great solution.
It assures me of reasonable use, and it assures THEM that I'm not equipping
an entire laboratory of workers' machines on a single license.
We BOTH win.
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On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 23:30:14 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
>But what would I have done if this were my laptop and I was trying to update
>my website from France or wherever?
The easiest way to fix PS CS when it does it's "please reactivate dance" is to
turn to the dark side and use the pirate's key generator to make a new
activation. It tripped up my system just because I installed updated IDE drivers
and turned DMA on, that's pretty lame.
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In article <aw%Ze.535$Y_5.243@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
> So I'm upgrading the BIOS on my motherboard's disk controller, and lo and
> behold, Photoshop CS2 gags. It essentially tells me that it thinks I might
> be a crook and am trying to use it on a different machine, and will *not*
> reactivate on-line. So I call up the number it gives, and guess what, it's
> only good for normal business hours (not 11pm PDT). This morning I get ahold
> of a real live person and, eleven minutes later, have it running again.
>
> But what would I have done if this were my laptop and I was trying to update
> my website from France or wherever?
>
> My point is this: You should always have an entirely different backup image
> editing program on your computer, something to use in cases like this.
> Photoshop CS2 is particularly nasty because it won't even give you two or
> three days before it shuts down... as soon as it thinks something's amiss,
> that's it. Boom. You're hosed.
>
> I never considered this before last night, and it gives me good reason to
> stay proficient with Corel's Photopaint. We worry so much about something
> happening to our camera hardware, but never think about what happens in the
> field if our image editing capabilities suddenly vanish.
Get a Mac.
--
Photographs by Christian Bonanno
http://christianbonanno.com/
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> Perhaps it's time to move to a USB hardware "key" like my recent purchase
> of Proshow Presenter does. The cool part is that I can install and use it
> on any number of machines, but can only run it on one *at a time.* For
> me, this is great, since I can run it at home, at work, and on my
> laptop---wherever *I* am.
>
> I think this is a great solution.
> It assures me of reasonable use, and it assures THEM that I'm not
> equipping an entire laboratory of workers' machines on a single license.
> We BOTH win.
Anything requiring that I keep track of something like a USB hardware key
isn't much of an improvement. Just think if most of your software required
individual USB keys... you'd have to carry around a big keychain everywhere
you go! And considering how much trouble I have keeping track of original
software disks, I just don't trust that I'd never lose a USB key
(particularly one that's being constantly moved between computers in
different locations).
Biometrics, perhaps? Reliable fingerprint readers?
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> Perhaps it's time to move to a USB hardware "key" like my recent
>> purchase of Proshow Presenter does. The cool part is that I can
>> install and use it on any number of machines, but can only run it on
>> one *at a time.* For me, this is great, since I can run it at home,
>> at work, and on my laptop---wherever *I* am.
>>
>> I think this is a great solution.
>> It assures me of reasonable use, and it assures THEM that I'm not
>> equipping an entire laboratory of workers' machines on a single
>> license. We BOTH win.
>
> Anything requiring that I keep track of something like a USB hardware
> key isn't much of an improvement. Just think if most of your software
> required individual USB keys... you'd have to carry around a big
> keychain everywhere you go! And considering how much trouble I have
> keeping track of original software disks, I just don't trust that I'd
> never lose a USB key (particularly one that's being constantly moved
> between computers in different locations).
>
> Biometrics, perhaps? Reliable fingerprint readers?
You are right that it wouldn't work if everyone did that.
My main point was that I appreciate that they have at lease done something
to allow fair use on multiple machines, AND...they bypass any dependency
upon on-line verification. Once you have the key, you never need to contact
them again if you don't want to.
As you say... It's not a solution for the vast scheme of software...but it
does work in this instance.
Mark
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On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 23:30:14 +0000, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> So I'm upgrading the BIOS on my motherboard's disk controller, and lo and
> behold, Photoshop CS2 gags. It essentially tells me that it thinks I might
> be a crook and am trying to use it on a different machine, and will *not*
> reactivate on-line. So I call up the number it gives, and guess what, it's
> only good for normal business hours (not 11pm PDT). This morning I get ahold
> of a real live person and, eleven minutes later, have it running again.
>
> But what would I have done if this were my laptop and I was trying to update
> my website from France or wherever?
>
> My point is this: You should always have an entirely different backup image
> editing program on your computer, something to use in cases like this.
> Photoshop CS2 is particularly nasty because it won't even give you two or
> three days before it shuts down... as soon as it thinks something's amiss,
> that's it. Boom. You're hosed.
>
> I never considered this before last night, and it gives me good reason to
> stay proficient with Corel's Photopaint. We worry so much about something
> happening to our camera hardware, but never think about what happens in the
> field if our image editing capabilities suddenly vanish.
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
Wouldn't have happened if you had used the Gimp. :-)
--
Neil
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In article <aw%Ze.535$Y_5.243@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
>
> I never considered this before last night, and it gives me good reason to
> stay proficient with Corel's Photopaint. We worry so much about something
> happening to our camera hardware, but never think about what happens in the
> field if our image editing capabilities suddenly vanish.
My rule of thumb with OS updates and any other software updates is to
never install them on my laptop when I am traveling.
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"Christian Bonanno" <seewebpage@mysig.com> wrote in message
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>
> Get a Mac.
>
Are you saying Adobe's registration isn't linked to the computer setup like
it is on a PC? You can install it anywhwere you want?
Mark
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In article <seewebpage-E85A46.22134026092005@news2-ge0.southeast.rr.com>,
Christian Bonanno <seewebpage@mysig.com> wrote:
>Get a Mac.
CS2 uses registration on a Mac as well, which is why I haven't bought it. CS
doesn't, though. I just hope that the future update to ACR that works with
the 5D will work with CS, otherwise it's back to Canon's convertor. :-(
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On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:29:52 GMT, Chris Brown
<cpbrown@ntlworld.no_uce_please.com> wrote:
>In article <seewebpage-E85A46.22134026092005@news2-ge0.southeast.rr.com>,
>Christian Bonanno <seewebpage@mysig.com> wrote:
>
>>Get a Mac.
>
>CS2 uses registration on a Mac as well, which is why I haven't bought it. CS
>doesn't, though. I just hope that the future update to ACR that works with
>the 5D will work with CS, otherwise it's back to Canon's convertor. :-(
No chance, CS stops dead at ACR2.4. But the DNG converter
that goes with any new ACR3.x will produce a DNG file from
the 5D that ACR2.4 will open in CS.
--
Regards
John Bean
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In article <8ubij1hn996jfkp85vp6vmv7d7aq5p6284@4ax.com>,
John Bean <waterfoot@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:29:52 GMT, Chris Brown
><cpbrown@ntlworld.no_uce_please.com> wrote:
>>
>>CS2 uses registration on a Mac as well, which is why I haven't bought it. CS
>>doesn't, though. I just hope that the future update to ACR that works with
>>the 5D will work with CS, otherwise it's back to Canon's convertor. :-(
>
>No chance, CS stops dead at ACR2.4.
Indeed - i just tried 3.2 and it popped up a message saying it wasn't
compatible. Arseholes. :-(
The sad thing is that I'd have upgraded by now if it weren't for product
registration. As it is, it's looking like Adobe won't get any more of my
money.
>But the DNG converter
>that goes with any new ACR3.x will produce a DNG file from
>the 5D that ACR2.4 will open in CS.
That's potentially worth a look.
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> So I'm upgrading the BIOS on my motherboard's disk controller, and lo and
> behold, Photoshop CS2 gags. It essentially tells me that it thinks I might
> be a crook and am trying to use it on a different machine, and will *not*
> reactivate on-line. So I call up the number it gives, and guess what, it's
> only good for normal business hours (not 11pm PDT). This morning I get ahold
> of a real live person and, eleven minutes later, have it running again.
>
> But what would I have done if this were my laptop and I was trying to update
> my website from France or wherever?
>
> My point is this: You should always have an entirely different backup image
> editing program on your computer, something to use in cases like this.
> Photoshop CS2 is particularly nasty because it won't even give you two or
> three days before it shuts down... as soon as it thinks something's amiss,
> that's it. Boom. You're hosed.
>
> I never considered this before last night, and it gives me good reason to
> stay proficient with Corel's Photopaint. We worry so much about something
> happening to our camera hardware, but never think about what happens in the
> field if our image editing capabilities suddenly vanish.
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>
>
Software companies are so concerned about theft that they are making it
more and more difficult to use the software legally.
Go to www.gimp.org and download a free program, every bit as good as CS2
.. install it on your PC, laptop, brother in laws laptop, wherever you
want. PC, Mac, linux all free and better than CS2
Technical help freely given by users and developers - its another world.
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Today John Stolz spoke these views with conviction for
everyone's edification:
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> So I'm upgrading the BIOS on my motherboard's disk
>> controller, and lo and behold, Photoshop CS2 gags. It
>> essentially tells me that it thinks I might be a crook and
>> am trying to use it on a different machine, and will *not*
>> reactivate on-line. So I call up the number it gives, and
>> guess what, it's only good for normal business hours (not
>> 11pm PDT). This morning I get ahold of a real live person
>> and, eleven minutes later, have it running again.
>>
>> But what would I have done if this were my laptop and I
>> was trying to update my website from France or wherever?
>>
>> My point is this: You should always have an entirely
>> different backup image editing program on your computer,
>> something to use in cases like this. Photoshop CS2 is
>> particularly nasty because it won't even give you two or
>> three days before it shuts down... as soon as it thinks
>> something's amiss, that's it. Boom. You're hosed.
>>
>> I never considered this before last night, and it gives me
>> good reason to stay proficient with Corel's Photopaint. We
>> worry so much about something happening to our camera
>> hardware, but never think about what happens in the field
>> if our image editing capabilities suddenly vanish.
>>
>> --Mike Jacoubowsky
>> Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com
>> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>>
>>
> Software companies are so concerned about theft that they
> are making it more and more difficult to use the software
> legally.
>
> Go to www.gimp.org and download a free program, every bit
> as good as CS2 . install it on your PC, laptop, brother in
> laws laptop, wherever you want. PC, Mac, linux all free
> and better than CS2
>
> Technical help freely given by users and developers - its
> another world.
>
I'm still a happy camper with PSP 9, but I remember a rather
long thread debating the reasons people used cracked versions
of PS CS, even when they legitimately bought the license and
paid full boat for it. Most of the comments I considered
justified came from pros who have the exact situation
described by the person you're replying to - what happens if
PS CS goes bump in the night when they're out-of-town on a
shoot and they can't get it re-activated? Amateurs and
hobbyists might be able to wait for a day or more but people
who's livelihood depends on being able to post-process their
pictures on their laptop in a hotel room clearly cannot.
I'm not a GIMP user but my nephew is and he swears by it. Do
you at all agree with oft-repeated criticism of the GIMP's
GUI, which some call arcane and difficult to use? I'll take a
look at the web site and download it to try for myself but I'm
not sure I've got the time and energy to spend learning
another app right now, hence my request for an opinion from
you. Thanks.
--
ATM, aka Jerry
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In article <O_qdnWjKHZsIg6TeRVn-qQ@comcast.com>,
"Mark B." <mbohntrash54@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Christian Bonanno" <seewebpage@mysig.com> wrote in message
> news:seewebpage-E85A46.22134026092005@news2-ge0.southeast.rr.com...
> >
> > Get a Mac.
> >
>
> Are you saying Adobe's registration isn't linked to the computer setup like
> it is on a PC? You can install it anywhwere you want?
>
> Mark
Yup.
--
Photographs by Christian Bonanno
http://christianbonanno.com/
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In article <4sjn03-0sh.ln1@narcissus.dyndns.org>,
Chris Brown <cpbrown@ntlworld.no_uce_please.com> wrote:
> In article <seewebpage-E85A46.22134026092005@news2-ge0.southeast.rr.com>,
> Christian Bonanno <seewebpage@mysig.com> wrote:
>
> >Get a Mac.
>
> CS2 uses registration on a Mac as well,
What do you mean by "Registration"?
> which is why I haven't bought it. CS
> doesn't, though. I just hope that the future update to ACR that works with
> the 5D will work with CS, otherwise it's back to Canon's convertor. :-(
--
Photographs by Christian Bonanno
http://christianbonanno.com/
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All Things Mopar wrote:
>
> I'm still a happy camper with PSP 9, but I remember a rather
> long thread debating the reasons people used cracked versions
> of PS CS, even when they legitimately bought the license and
> paid full boat for it. Most of the comments I considered
> justified came from pros who have the exact situation
> described by the person you're replying to - what happens if
> PS CS goes bump in the night when they're out-of-town on a
> shoot and they can't get it re-activated? Amateurs and
> hobbyists might be able to wait for a day or more but people
> who's livelihood depends on being able to post-process their
> pictures on their laptop in a hotel room clearly cannot.
>
> I'm not a GIMP user but my nephew is and he swears by it. Do
> you at all agree with oft-repeated criticism of the GIMP's
> GUI, which some call arcane and difficult to use? I'll take a
> look at the web site and download it to try for myself but I'm
> not sure I've got the time and energy to spend learning
> another app right now, hence my request for an opinion from
> you. Thanks.
>
The interface is different, but I wouldn't say it was better or worse
then PS - just depends what you're used to.
Nothing to be lost in giving it a try.
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All Things Mopar <none@none.non> wrote:
>
>I'm not a GIMP user but my nephew is and he swears by it. Do
>you at all agree with oft-repeated criticism of the GIMP's
>GUI, which some call arcane and difficult to use? I'll take a
What is "arcane and difficult" for one user, is not for
another... and that is *particularly* true for people who have
learned to live with some different GUI, regardless of what that
GUI is.
I've used several different GUI's and found GIMP no more
difficult to learn than others. But I'm *not* a Photoshop
user... and anyone who is will find it difficult (just as any
well seasoned GIMP user will find Photoshop difficult).
It is true that a couple weeks ago I demonstrated GIMP to a
young fellow (an accountant, not a pro photog but a very serious
amateur) whose most significant comment was that he disliked PS
because the command structure didn't seem natural, and what he
noticed about GIMP was that to him it appeared to make sense!
Given that was exactly the opposite from what I was expecting
him to say, I just about fell over.
>look at the web site and download it to try for myself but I'm
>not sure I've got the time and energy to spend learning
>another app right now, hence my request for an opinion from
>you. Thanks.
And you have pegged the problem dead on too. Not whether the
GUI is good bad or indifferent, which is a valid question to ask
about functionality, but not for the interface because you'll
never be able to grade responses that depend on too many
personal points that won't be included in the comments. The
significant point is whether you have the *time* to learn a
whole new interface well enough to be productive with it (assuming
the program itself does meet your needs).
--
FloydL. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com
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In article <seewebpage-228B27.11183227092005@news1-ge0.southeast.rr.com>,
Christian Bonanno <seewebpage@mysig.com> wrote:
>In article <4sjn03-0sh.ln1@narcissus.dyndns.org>,
> Chris Brown <cpbrown@ntlworld.no_uce_please.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <seewebpage-E85A46.22134026092005@news2-ge0.southeast.rr.com>,
>> Christian Bonanno <seewebpage@mysig.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Get a Mac.
>>
>> CS2 uses registration on a Mac as well,
>
>What do you mean by "Registration"?
I mean it's tied to the hardware, as is the Windows version. The last
version without it was CS on the Mac, and 7 on Windows.
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On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:03:01 -0500, All Things Mopar <none@none.non> wrote:
>I'm not a GIMP user but my nephew is and he swears by it. Do
>you at all agree with oft-repeated criticism of the GIMP's
>GUI, which some call arcane and difficult to use? I'll take a
>look at the web site and download it to try for myself but I'm
>not sure I've got the time and energy to spend learning
>another app right now, hence my request for an opinion from
>you. Thanks.
Google for GIMPshop - it supposedly makes GIMP look a lot like Photoshop.
--
Tom Hise
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Hi John!
I went there to download it and try it... but even the download seems
complicated... compilers... etc...Or I get a bunch of choices, such as the
index of V2.3 / gimp-2.3.2.tar.gz.md5 or 0.0_LATEST-IS-2.3.3 ?????? What
is it I download? If I download "gimp-2.3.2.tar.gz", how do I open it?
Thanks for any explanation
Marcel
"John Stolz" <china_rider@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:43395b17$0$7867$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr...
> >
> Go to www.gimp.org and download a free program, every bit as good as CS2
> . install it on your PC, laptop, brother in laws laptop, wherever you
> want. PC, Mac, linux all free and better than CS2
>
> Technical help freely given by users and developers - its another world.
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"Celcius" <cosmar@rogers.com> wrote:
>Hi John!
>
>I went there to download it and try it... but even the download seems
>complicated... compilers... etc...Or I get a bunch of choices, such as the
>index of V2.3 / gimp-2.3.2.tar.gz.md5 or 0.0_LATEST-IS-2.3.3 ?????? What
>is it I download? If I download "gimp-2.3.2.tar.gz", how do I open it?
>
>Thanks for any explanation
GIMP is available for several platforms, and in various formats.
For example, on a Linux platform the source code might be the
desired format, but for Windows or MacOSX one of the binary
distributions is almost certainly what you want.
The www.gimp.org site does *not* distribute binaries for Windows,
though if you read the instructions it does lead you to a link to
the right site. Of course getting through the chaf to find that
might not be easy for a non-programmer/GNU-user type... :-)
For Windows 98/ME/NT4/2000/XP, go here:
http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/stable.html
And follow the instructions. Note that you want at least 3 (of the
4) packages listed.
Required:
GTK+2 3554 kB
GIMP 7435 kB
GIMP Help 2 21944 kB
Optional:
GIMP Animation 749 kB
Past how to find the binaries to download, I have no idea what one
does with a Windows platform (other than reformat the hard disk and
install a better OS).
--
FloydL. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com
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"Floyd Davidson" <floyd@barrow.com> wrote in message
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>
> Past how to find the binaries to download, I have no idea what one
> does with a Windows platform
>
(other than reformat the hard disk and
> install a better OS).
>
Very funny, Floyd ;-)
Thanks
Marcel
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"Celcius" <cosmar@rogers.com> wrote:
>"Floyd Davidson" <floyd@barrow.com> wrote in message
>news:87oe6ewe4e.fld@barrow.com...
>>
>> Past how to find the binaries to download, I have no idea what one
>> does with a Windows platform
>>
>(other than reformat the hard disk and
>> install a better OS).
>>
>
>Very funny, Floyd ;-)
>Thanks
>Marcel
I'm *not* a comedian. Just tactless...
--
FloydL. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com
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Mark²,
In the dos days it went in the parallel port and was called a doggel.
Same purpose and function though.
Paul
Mark² wrote:
snipped
> Perhaps it's time to move to a USB hardware "key" like my recent purchase of
> Proshow Presenter does. The cool part is that I can install and use it on
> any number of machines, but can only run it on one *at a time.* For me,
> this is great, since I can run it at home, at work, and on my
> laptop---wherever *I* am.
>
> I think this is a great solution.
> It assures me of reasonable use, and it assures THEM that I'm not equipping
> an entire laboratory of workers' machines on a single license.
> We BOTH win.
>
>
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Paul Schilter wrote:
> Mark²,
> In the dos days it went in the parallel port and was called a doggel.
> Same purpose and function though.
I think you meant 'dongle' :-)
http://www.answers.com/topic/dongle
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Today John Stolz spoke these views with conviction for
everyone's edification:
> The interface is different, but I wouldn't say it was
> better or worse then PS - just depends what you're used to.
Thanks, John. Having never used PS beyond 5.0 LE that came with
my old scanner, I can't comment on that except that I've also
heard that PS CS has a pretty steep learning curve. But, we all
know what happens when we ass/u/me things, right?
> Nothing to be lost in giving it a try.
Yepper, nothing like tasting for myself.
--
ATM, aka Jerry
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Today Floyd Davidson spoke these views with conviction for
everyone's edification:
[snip]
>>look at the web site and download it to try for myself but
>>I'm not sure I've got the time and energy to spend learning
>>another app right now, hence my request for an opinion from
>>you. Thanks.
>
> And you have pegged the problem dead on too. Not whether
> the GUI is good bad or indifferent, which is a valid
> question to ask about functionality, but not for the
> interface because you'll never be able to grade responses
> that depend on too many personal points that won't be
> included in the comments. The significant point is whether
> you have the *time* to learn a whole new interface well
> enough to be productive with it (assuming the program
> itself does meet your needs).
Because of non-life threatening but very annoying medical
problems, the issue is more one of lack of energy to get myself
more frustrated than I need right now, but your point is well
taken.
--
ATM, aka Jerry
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Today Tom Hise spoke these views with conviction for
everyone's edification:
> On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:03:01 -0500, All Things Mopar
> <none@none.non> wrote:
>
>>I'm not a GIMP user but my nephew is and he swears by it.
>>Do you at all agree with oft-repeated criticism of the
>>GIMP's GUI, which some call arcane and difficult to use?
>>I'll take a look at the web site and download it to try for
>>myself but I'm not sure I've got the time and energy to
>>spend learning another app right now, hence my request for
>>an opinion from you. Thanks.
>
> Google for GIMPshop - it supposedly makes GIMP look a lot
> like Photoshop.
I'm really putting my head in the lion's mouth here, Tom, but
making one app or another look like PS CS doesn't too great to
me as I'm not already PS CS-trained. I take nothing away from
the folks who're experts with it, but PSP 8's learning curve was
very steep for me, while 9 was relatively minor. And, I'm
sitting out X for now.
--
ATM, aka Jerry
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Paul Schilter wrote:
> Mark²,
> In the dos days it went in the parallel port and was called a doggel.
> Same purpose and function though.
> Paul
I think you mean "dongle."
It's still called that.
>
>
> Mark² wrote:
>
> snipped
>
>> Perhaps it's time to move to a USB hardware "key" like my recent
>> purchase of Proshow Presenter does. The cool part is that I can
>> install and use it on any number of machines, but can only run it on
>> one *at a time.* For me, this is great, since I can run it at home,
>> at work, and on my laptop---wherever *I* am.
>>
>> I think this is a great solution.
>> It assures me of reasonable use, and it assures THEM that I'm not
>> equipping an entire laboratory of workers' machines on a single
>> license. We BOTH win.
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Jim Townsend wrote:
> Paul Schilter wrote:
>
>> Mark²,
>> In the dos days it went in the parallel port and was called a doggel.
>> Same purpose and function though.
>
> I think you meant 'dongle' :-)
Hey!
There's an echo in here!
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Paul Schilter wrote:
>
> Mark²,
> In the dos days it went in the parallel port and was called a doggel.
> Same purpose and function though.
> Paul
>
> Mark² wrote:
>
> snipped
>
> > Perhaps it's time to move to a USB hardware "key" like my recent purchase of
> > Proshow Presenter does. The cool part is that I can install and use it on
> > any number of machines, but can only run it on one *at a time.* For me,
> > this is great, since I can run it at home, at work, and on my
> > laptop---wherever *I* am.
> >
> > I think this is a great solution.
> > It assures me of reasonable use, and it assures THEM that I'm not equipping
> > an entire laboratory of workers' machines on a single license.
> > We BOTH win.
> >
> >
We called it a dongle.
Colin D.
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Chris Brown wrote:
>
> In article <seewebpage-228B27.11183227092005@news1-ge0.southeast.rr.com>,
> Christian Bonanno <seewebpage@mysig.com> wrote:
> >In article <4sjn03-0sh.ln1@narcissus.dyndns.org>,
> > Chris Brown <cpbrown@ntlworld.no_uce_please.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <seewebpage-E85A46.22134026092005@news2-ge0.southeast.rr.com>,
> >> Christian Bonanno <seewebpage@mysig.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Get a Mac.
> >>
> >> CS2 uses registration on a Mac as well,
> >
> >What do you mean by "Registration"?
>
> I mean it's tied to the hardware, as is the Windows version. The last
> version without it was CS on the Mac, and 7 on Windows.
Registration is ok, in my book, but validation isn't. Validation is the
big PITA.
Colin D.
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On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:38:08 -0800, Floyd Davidson wrote:
> "Celcius" <cosmar@rogers.com> wrote:
>>"Floyd Davidson" <floyd@barrow.com> wrote in message
>>news:87oe6ewe4e.fld@barrow.com...
>>>
>>> Past how to find the binaries to download, I have no idea what one
>>> does with a Windows platform
>>>
>>(other than reformat the hard disk and
>>> install a better OS).
>>>
>>
>>Very funny, Floyd ;-)
>>Thanks
>>Marcel
>
> I'm *not* a comedian. Just tactless...
And truthful.
--
Neil
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On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 23:22:50 -0700, "Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even
number here)@cox..net> wrote:
>Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>> Perhaps it's time to move to a USB hardware "key" like my recent
>>> purchase of Proshow Presenter does. The cool part is that I can
>>> install and use it on any number of machines, but can only run it on
>>> one *at a time.* For me, this is great, since I can run it at home,
>>> at work, and on my laptop---wherever *I* am.
>>>
>>> I think this is a great solution.
>>> It assures me of reasonable use, and it assures THEM that I'm not
>>> equipping an entire laboratory of workers' machines on a single
>>> license. We BOTH win.
>>
>> Anything requiring that I keep track of something like a USB hardware
>> key isn't much of an improvement. Just think if most of your software
>> required individual USB keys... you'd have to carry around a big
>> keychain everywhere you go! And considering how much trouble I have
>> keeping track of original software disks, I just don't trust that I'd
>> never lose a USB key (particularly one that's being constantly moved
>> between computers in different locations).
>>
>> Biometrics, perhaps? Reliable fingerprint readers?
>
>You are right that it wouldn't work if everyone did that.
>My main point was that I appreciate that they have at lease done something
>to allow fair use on multiple machines, AND...they bypass any dependency
>upon on-line verification. Once you have the key, you never need to contact
>them again if you don't want to.
>
>As you say... It's not a solution for the vast scheme of software...but it
>does work in this instance.
>
>Mark
>
It's just an upgraded version of the dongle which was run out
of the marketplace years ago for being a PITA.
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Jim,
Correct, thanks.
Paul
Jim Townsend wrote:
> Paul Schilter wrote:
>
>
>>Mark²,
>>In the dos days it went in the parallel port and was called a doggel.
>>Same purpose and function though.
>
>
> I think you meant 'dongle' :-)
>
>
> http://www.answers.com/topic/dongle
>
>
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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
>So I'm upgrading the BIOS on my motherboard's disk controller, and lo and
>behold, Photoshop CS2 gags. It essentially tells me that it thinks I might
>be a crook and am trying to use it on a different machine, and will *not*
>reactivate on-line. So I call up the number it gives, and guess what, it's
>only good for normal business hours (not 11pm PDT). This morning I get ahold
>of a real live person and, eleven minutes later, have it running again.
>
>But what would I have done if this were my laptop and I was trying to update
>my website from France or wherever?
>
>My point is this: You should always have an entirely different backup image
>editing program on your computer, something to use in cases like this.
>Photoshop CS2 is particularly nasty because it won't even give you two or
>three days before it shuts down... as soon as it thinks something's amiss,
>that's it. Boom. You're hosed.
>
>I never considered this before last night, and it gives me good reason to
>stay proficient with Corel's Photopaint. We worry so much about something
>happening to our camera hardware, but never think about what happens in the
>field if our image editing capabilities suddenly vanish.
>
>--Mike Jacoubowsky
>Chain Reaction Bicycles
>www.ChainReaction.com
>Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>
>
No, what you should do is verify that all your software will work before
diving in and upgrading BIOS or other machine components. In a data
center environment, we would never consider upgrading any production
machine without thorough evaluation of software requirements, licensing
issues, compatibillity issues, performance issues etc. Almost every piece of
software we have licensed to our large IBM and SUN servers is directly
keyed to the host signature (host ID). Some software is keyed to the
number of CPU's in the box, the number and types of storage arrays
attached and the number and type of tape drives attached. This has been
common place in large systems for years.. if not since the beginning. I
would take similar precautions on my home machines as well. As much as I
love Tiger on my iBook, I have not upgraded from Mac OS X Panther on my
Power Mac because I am not satisfied that my older film scanner and
some other devices will work properly. Until I am, then it stays at the
prior version.
Jim
--
Jim
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > Perhaps it's time to move to a USB hardware "key" like my recent purchase
> > of Proshow Presenter does. The cool part is that I can install and use it
> > on any number of machines, but can only run it on one *at a time.* For
> > me, this is great, since I can run it at home, at work, and on my
> > laptop---wherever *I* am.
> >
> > I think this is a great solution.
> > It assures me of reasonable use, and it assures THEM that I'm not
> > equipping an entire laboratory of workers' machines on a single license.
> > We BOTH win.
>
> Anything requiring that I keep track of something like a USB hardware key
> isn't much of an improvement. Just think if most of your software required
> individual USB keys... you'd have to carry around a big keychain everywhere
> you go! And considering how much trouble I have keeping track of original
> software disks, I just don't trust that I'd never lose a USB key
> (particularly one that's being constantly moved between computers in
> different locations).
>
> Biometrics, perhaps? Reliable fingerprint readers?
I will never buy a piece of software that requires my fingerprint to
use it. That's just way too creepy.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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