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September 19, 2012 4:34:02 PM

Hi I've been mulling over buying a new PC for a while and due to budget restrictions I've decided to build a new PC. I haven't build one from scratch in a long time and I want to make sure my components are sound and see if there are any difficult installations around some of the components. First a few questions and then the parts so far. Oh my main purpose for this new PC is two fold: 1) I want a decent gaming machine that can run in high graphics mode for 1920x1200 or 2560x1440 and 2) I want a machine that'll be fast at media decoding/encoding (I have a lot of conversions to make).

1) I've never tried to install a liquid CPU cooler before, is it a hard task to do right?
2) If I have all the components, will I still need to buy cables?
3) Are there anything I'm missing or should change out?

Here are the parts (all from NewEgg):

1) ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - $134.99
2) Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I73770K - $329.99
3) Corsair Obsidian Series 550D Black Aluminum / Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - $139.99
4) EVGA 02G-P4-3660-KR GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card - $299.99
5) CORSAIR CX Series CX750 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply - $99.99
6) G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9Q-16GBXL - $79.99
7) CORSAIR CWCH60 Hydro Series H60 High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler - $64.99
8) Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive - $109.99
9) LITE-ON Black Internal 12X Blu-ray Combo SATA Model ihes112-04 - OEM - $54.99
10) Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM - $99.99

Total: $1414.90

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September 19, 2012 4:53:41 PM

That's a good start but there's a few things I would change:

1. You don't need a 3770K or 16GB of RAM for media encoding, hell you can use an AMD LLano for that. :lol: 

2. Drop the H60 - if you're doing liquid cooling use the real thing or don't use it at all. There's no evidence that says that a H60 will give you the same overclocking results as a strong air fan like the Noctua NH-U9B.

3. The Radeon 7950 is a better card than the GTX 660TI.

Try this for that kind of budget:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($30.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($142.86 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($41.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Green 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($317.86 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Arc Midi Tower ATX Mid Tower Case ($94.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling Silencer Mk II 750W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1280.62
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-09-19 12:53 EDT-0400)
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September 19, 2012 5:11:08 PM

Thanks for your advice g-unit1111.

The reason I don't like AMD/ATI is I've had trouble with them in the past. I'll probably upgrade to a GTX670 for the money I would save on the CPU and memory downgrade. I like the idea of have a SSD primary drive with a slower green data drive but I'll probably use a 1 TB instead of 2 TB since I already have a home NAS where I keep all my data. Is there a reason to choose the Fractal Design Arch Midi tower instead of the Corsair 550D? I really like the look of the 550D and like the fact it has some sound dampening foam to reduce the noise.

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September 19, 2012 5:14:30 PM

You didn't say if you planned on overclocking or not, if you aren't there's no need to get a separate cooler and a K series CPU.

Unless you plan on going for extreme overclocks, that power supply is over kill. Go with a good quality ~500-600w one, for example http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also, it's worth mentioning with the OEM windows discs ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ) if you ever decide to change motherboards windows will report the install as not geniune.
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September 19, 2012 5:25:46 PM

notresto said:
You didn't say if you planned on overclocking or not, if you aren't there's no need to get a separate cooler and a K series CPU.

Unless you plan on going for extreme overclocks, that power supply is over kill. Go with a good quality ~500-600w one, for example http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also, it's worth mentioning with the OEM windows discs ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ) if you ever decide to change motherboards windows will report the install as not geniune.


Thanks nostreto for your response. I wasn't planning on overclocking the CPU. Good to know about not needing a K series if I'm not overclocking. Do you mean I can use the heatsink that comes with the CPU? So even for a 600W PSU, will I be able to upgrade in the future to a better graphics card without changing out the PSU? I really want a PC that has a lot of room for upgrades.

Good catch on the OEM windows disc, but I guess Windows 8 is around the corner I'll probably upgrade to that anyway so I think an OEM disc will be okay for now. I don't foresee changing out the MB for a while.

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September 19, 2012 5:38:50 PM

Pedernales said:
Thanks for your advice g-unit1111.

The reason I don't like AMD/ATI is I've had trouble with them in the past. I'll probably upgrade to a GTX670 for the money I would save on the CPU and memory downgrade. I like the idea of have a SSD primary drive with a slower green data drive but I'll probably use a 1 TB instead of 2 TB since I already have a home NAS where I keep all my data. Is there a reason to choose the Fractal Design Arch Midi tower instead of the Corsair 550D? I really like the look of the 550D and like the fact it has some sound dampening foam to reduce the noise.

-P


The 550D is expensive and I don't think it's worth the extra money. If you're spending money on that kind of case I'd say go for an NZXT Switch 810 or something that can hold XL-ATX motherboards. The newer ATI/AMD cards are far better than previous generations - I'm running a 7870 and I've had no problems with it, and with the recent price drops I'm planning to add a second for Crossfire.

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Also, it's worth mentioning with the OEM windows discs ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6832116986 ) if you ever decide to change motherboards windows will report the install as not geniune.


Please don't get me started there. :lol: 

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Unless you plan on going for extreme overclocks, that power supply is over kill. Go with a good quality ~500-600w one, for example http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817182068 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817139027


You should know that longevity is an absolute key to a build in that price range. Sure you could go with a lesser wattage PSU but I say get a quality one that allows for SLI or Crossfire, you have the budget, why limit yourself?
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September 19, 2012 5:59:15 PM

Thanks for all the advice guys. Here's my updated build.


G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL
$41.99

Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K
$229.99

Intel 330 Series Maple Crest SSDSC2CT120A3K5 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
$95.99

Western Digital Caviar Blue WD10EZEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$84.99

CORSAIR CX Series CX750 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
$99.99

Fractal Design Arc Midi Black High Performance PC Computer Case w/ USB 3.0 and 3 x Fractal High Performance 140mm fans
$89.99

SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7970 OC 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card (11197-01-40G)
$399.99

ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
$134.99

LITE-ON Black Internal 12X Blu-ray Combo SATA Model ihes112-04 - OEM
$54.99

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM
$99.99

Total: $1,332.90
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September 19, 2012 6:29:09 PM

Pedernales said:
Thanks for all the advice guys. Here's my updated build.


G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL
$41.99

Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K
$229.99

Intel 330 Series Maple Crest SSDSC2CT120A3K5 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
$95.99

Western Digital Caviar Blue WD10EZEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$84.99

CORSAIR CX Series CX750 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
$99.99

Fractal Design Arc Midi Black High Performance PC Computer Case w/ USB 3.0 and 3 x Fractal High Performance 140mm fans
$89.99

SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7970 OC 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card (11197-01-40G)
$399.99

ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
$134.99

LITE-ON Black Internal 12X Blu-ray Combo SATA Model ihes112-04 - OEM
$54.99

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM
$99.99

Total: $1,332.90


That looks a lot better but Intel SSDs are overrated - go with a Samsung 830, Kingston Hyper X, or Crucial M4.
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September 19, 2012 7:37:14 PM

Okay, I changed out the Intell SSD for a Samsung 830 128MB SSD. Turns out the Samsung drive's controller is better at handling big media files, that'll be a boon for my media conversions. :)  Just submitted my order and can't wait to get the parts to start building.
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September 19, 2012 8:21:21 PM

Pedernales said:
Okay, I changed out the Intell SSD for a Samsung 830 128MB SSD. Turns out the Samsung drive's controller is better at handling big media files, that'll be a boon for my media conversions. :)  Just submitted my order and can't wait to get the parts to start building.


Yeah I switched my Intel SSD for a Samsung 830 - definitely a wise decision.
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September 19, 2012 9:06:25 PM

Best answer selected by Pedernales.
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September 19, 2012 9:21:59 PM

There aren't any reviews yet on that board down below for the fact it was just released less than a week ago. This build doesn't include that case you have up top, but this case down below is a quality one and this build comes with the retail version Blu Ray Writer...which means the software is included. That software can get spendy if you don't have it already. This build also includes a 128GB SSD which utilizes SF Toggle NAND meaning it's solid. This build will allow you to add another one of those cards later on in SLI.


http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Carbide-Tower-Gaming-Comp... $90.98 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Corsair Carbide Series 400R Mid Tower Gaming Computer Case - CC-9011011-WW

http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-80PLUS-Certified-Modular-... $86.00 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Corsair CX 750 Watts 80PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V/EPS12V Power Supply CP-9020015-NA

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $436.98 save: $13.00
Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I73770K
ASRock Z77 Extreme3 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005O65JXI/ref=ox_sc_a... $33.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler with 120mm PWM Fan (RR-212E-20PK-R2)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $79.99 FREE SHIPPING
G.SKILL Ares Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-1600C9Q-16GAO

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-Electronics-Computer-Driv... $86.22 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25
Pioneer Electronics USA Blu Ray Computer Drive, BDR-2207B5PK

http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Caviar-Internal-D... $93.49 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Western Digital Caviar Black 1 TB SATA III 7200 RPM 64 MB Cache Internal Desktop Hard Drive Bulk/OEM - WD1002FAEX

http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-2-5-Inch-Solid-SDSSDP-128... $89.95 + $0.00 shipping
SanDisk 128 GB 2.5-Inch Solid State Drive (SDSSDP-128G- G25)

http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Premium-64bit-System-Buil... $90.70 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64bit (Full) System Builder DVD 1 Pack

Total: $1,088.30 *not including shippping $& rebates

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?cat=CPU&Model=Z77... <----- another look at that board

http://www.corsair.com/pc-cases/carbide-series-pc-case/... <----- another look at that case


http://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-GV-N670OC-2GD-GeForce-Wi... $399.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
GIGABYTE GV-N670OC-2GD GeForce GTX 670 Windforce OC 2048MB GDDR5 256-bit PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Graphics Card

or...

http://www.amazon.com/MSI-R7950-TWIN-FROZR-3GD5/dp/B007... $329.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping | Price after rebate: $314.99
MSI AMD Radeon HD 7950 3GB GDDR5 DVI/HDMI/2xMini DisplayPort PCI-Express Video Card R7950 TWIN FROZR 3GD5/OC

or...

http://www.amazon.com/MSI-Overvoltage-N660TI-PE-2GD5/dp... $309.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping | Price after rebate: $299.99
MSI GTX 660 Ti Power Edition Graphics Card with Triple Overvoltage and Enhanced PWM Design (N660TI PE 2GD5/OC)

or...

http://www.amazon.com/MSI-R7870-Twin-Frozr-2GD5/dp/B007... $259.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping | Price after rebate: $244.99
MSI Radeon HD7870, 2GB GDDR5, Mini DisplayPortx2, DVI-I, HDMI, PCI Express 3.0 Graphics Card R7870 Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC

or...

http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-PCI-Express-Displayport-... $229.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 660 OC 2GB GDDR5 PCI-Express 3.0 DVI-I/DVI-D/HDMI/Displayport SLI Ready Graphics Card GV-N660OC-2GD


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005BZNDOO/ref=ox_sc_a... $134.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
ASUS VS228H-P 21.5-Inch Full-HD LED Monitor (Black) | 50,000,000:1 ASUS Smart Contrast Ratio; Full 1080P with HDMI

http://usa.asus.com/Display/LCD_Monitors/VS228HP/ <----- another look at that monitor
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