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Upgrading GFX From Old XFX HD 5750

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July 31, 2012 10:13:14 PM

Currently I have an XFX HD5750 -I used the CCC program to OC to 800mhz/1325mhz. But I have yet to see any difference in games O.o so I'm not entirely convinced it OCed....im a noob at OCing and stuff so yeah :/ 

Anyways, I currently play on a 19" 1280x1024 monitor, but am hopefully upgrading to a 23" 1920x1080 in the future. I was wondering what would be the best deal for around a $300 price point for maxing out on games like Skyrim, Bf3, Spec Ops: The Line, etc.

I've been looking at the MSI HD7950 and was going to OC it but I'm really unsure of what to get. Any suggestions?


Current Specs:
1075t @ stock 3.0ghz - stock 1.2V
XFX HD5750
4GB Crucial Ballistix RAM
Mobo - GA-MA770-UD3

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July 31, 2012 11:14:41 PM

so the 660ti will be on par with 7950 and cost 100 dollars less? I havent had an Nvidia since my old gtx 7300 :D  alright thanks for the suggestion, I think I'll hold off on the card and then order it to my dorm 1st semester. thanks brah!
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a c 106 U Graphics card
July 31, 2012 11:19:47 PM

the reference model is going to sell for 300 if mac mall ends up being correct regardless IF tweaktown is correct with their benchmarks(albeit some of the games they use are slightly outdated and a majority of them are nvidia optimized/use physx) the 660ti should be a solid buy coming around 310$


I honestly do not know where tweaktown got their 200$ rumor from, placing it in the 200$ area would destroy all the sales for the nvidia cards in the area(the 560 ti, 560ti448, 570, 480 are the 4 main cards in this area, the 570 already having a 50$ price cut, which i doubt nvidia wants to price cut even more)
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July 31, 2012 11:26:49 PM

so..... which would be a better buy future-proof wise, i don't plan on upgrading my computer for quite some time. the whole reason i bought the 1075t x6 over a quad core was because i wanted to be as futureproof as possible :D 
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a c 106 U Graphics card
July 31, 2012 11:31:56 PM

the one with less hassle will be the 660ti assuming that those benches are correct, and you prefer to leave everything at stock for the least problems. it also allows physx capabilities if needed, but will need to work very hard if you magically ran more screens or 2560x1600 resolution. the 7970 will be better in overclocking potential and high resolutions past the 1920x1080 resolution, but will lack the physx option(assuming you want it) and the odd non gaming programs that utilize the compute power of a amd card(as the gtx 6xx series aren't as well built for outside gaming work like the 5xx series as much)


still the 660ti i think will be a better buy(must wait on benchmarks from other sites before final purchase) if you like playing on stock or factory overclocked cards. 7950 if you prefer to overclock yourself and dont care about physx.
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July 31, 2012 11:37:59 PM

well if i got the 7950 i would definitely OC it, but i dont plan on going so far up resolution wise, but isnt the bandwidth of the 660 only 192?
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a c 106 U Graphics card
July 31, 2012 11:43:21 PM

shinku443 said:
well if i got the 7950 i would definitely OC it, but i dont plan on going so far up resolution wise, but isnt the bandwidth of the 660 only 192?



thats the thing holding it back "supposedly", other than that its identical to the 670 rumor wise. Its one of the reasons why im emphasizing waiting for other benchmarks from other sites that include commonly asked for titles like Skyrim(currently slight amd optimized) and Battlefield 3 (nvidia optimized)
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a c 92 U Graphics card
July 31, 2012 11:46:47 PM

If you are playing at 1080p, you are good with a 7870 and OC.
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July 31, 2012 11:49:19 PM

esrever said:
If you are playing at 1080p, you are good with a 7870 and OC.

wouldnt a 7950 be better? 30 dollars more for the next lineup which can overclock to match the 7970 (100 dollars more than the 7950).
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a c 92 U Graphics card
July 31, 2012 11:53:28 PM

7950 is good too. I thought they were more than that.
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August 1, 2012 12:00:33 AM

well with mail in rebate at newegg i believe the cheapest one was the MSI for 309.99 but they ran out of stock literally right when I was going to order it and then they jacked the price up. so 319.99 for MSI/Sapphire/Gigabyte version of the 7950 with a 3 free games coupon and like 7 for shipping. so around 330 all together after MIB and shipped.

Also a follow up question, which brand out of the HD 7950 would you recommend?
It's so hard to decide when they're all around the same price :/ 
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a c 92 U Graphics card
August 1, 2012 12:02:08 AM

I'd recommend sapphire
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August 1, 2012 12:03:34 AM

oh crap they don't have the rebate. its 350+7 shipping for sapphire and 330+7 for the gigabyte....is sapphire worth the extra 20 over gigabyte?

-there's also powercolor and xfx for 330+7)
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a c 106 U Graphics card
August 1, 2012 12:03:59 AM

shinku443 said:
well with mail in rebate at newegg i believe the cheapest one was the MSI for 309.99 but they ran out of stock literally right when I was going to order it and then they jacked the price up. so 319.99 for MSI/Sapphire/Gigabyte version of the 7950 with a 3 free games coupon and like 7 for shipping. so around 330 all together after MIB and shipped.

Also a follow up question, which brand out of the HD 7950 would you recommend?
It's so hard to decide when they're all around the same price :/ 


benchmark testing several models of the 7950

if ncix restock and doesnt change the price, its still at the lower price here

other than that, i recommend the HIS one from either newegg(the one with 6% off) or amazon which is the same priceish. though if you have the time, id wait for the 660ti benches as i personally see the 7950 only a good buy when its 330 or less
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a c 595 U Graphics card
August 1, 2012 12:05:57 AM

This is not a good time to be making the type of purchase you'r considering. On August 16th we're going to see a cheaper card that outperforms the 7950, and prices on AMD cards will likely need some adjustment to make room (provided there's any more room to give). Give it some time, or you'll be kicking yourself.
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a c 92 U Graphics card
August 1, 2012 12:08:37 AM

shinku443 said:
oh crap they don't have the rebate. its 350+7 shipping for sapphire and 330+7 for the gigabyte....is sapphire worth the extra 20 over gigabyte?

-there's also powercolor and xfx for 330+7)

I would recommend not buying a reference cooler card.

theres a 7870 on newegg for $260. 7870 can easily OC pass the 7950 speeds.
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August 1, 2012 12:08:48 AM

well we don't really know if it outperforms the 7950, but yeah I was still going to wait to buy the card cause I understand that if a new card comes out in the same grade as other cards, then those cards prices will have to adjust to compensate the new product on the market.
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a c 106 U Graphics card
August 1, 2012 12:11:00 AM

arg so many posts when i edit my post, look above to see what i said.
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a c 595 U Graphics card
August 1, 2012 12:13:24 AM

shinku443 said:
well we don't really know if it outperforms the 7950, but yeah I was still going to wait to buy the card cause I understand that if a new card comes out in the same grade as other cards, then those cards prices will have to adjust to compensate the new product on the market.

Don't discount that review. TweakTown did the same thing with the GTX 670, they put out a review a week or so before the official release and all the benchmarks were spot on. That review is real and legit. Just like when the GTX 670 was released, the GTX 660 Ti will throw the current options and prices into disarray.

Quotes:
"You're talking about a video card that is rumored to hit at the mid-$200 range yet performs like a video card priced $100 more. In this case we're talking about the HD 7950 specifically. You could argue that it can be compared against the more expensive HD 7970 at times, too."

"The problem for AMD, though, is that while this card is priced at levels around the HD 7850 and HD 7870, its performance is around that of the HD 7950 and HD 7970. You combine this with the fact that AMD really don't have any more room to move on price due to recent price drops. We really do wonder what AMD can do. NVIDIA do this excellent job of taking on multiple AMD models with just one video card and in this case, we see that happening again."
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4869/nvidia_geforce_gt...
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August 1, 2012 12:15:27 AM

hmmm a 7870 would be a better than 7950 OCing wise?

I'm considering the HIS one since its 6% off but I feel like when the 660ti comes out the prices should drop and I can see which card would be better for me.....grrrrrrr I hate buying stuff >.<

and can you clarify about the reference cooler card, I've only bought one card and I got it for the lifetime warranty which XFX doesn't do anymore. whats reference vs non-reference?
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a c 92 U Graphics card
August 1, 2012 12:18:28 AM

well the 660ti looks to be decent but nobody knows pricing yet. Could be priced at $350 for anyone knows.

The 7870 OCs to about as fast as a 7970 stock, slightly slower than a 7950 OC.
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a c 106 U Graphics card
August 1, 2012 12:20:28 AM

17seconds said:
Don't discount that review. TweakTown did the same thing with the GTX 670, they put out a review a week or so before the official release and all the benchmarks were spot on. That review is real and legit. Just like when the GTX 670 was released, the GTX 660 Ti will throw the current options and prices into disarray.

Quotes:
"You're talking about a video card that is rumored to hit at the mid-$200 range yet performs like a video card priced $100 more. In this case we're talking about the HD 7950 specifically. You could argue that it can be compared against the more expensive HD 7970 at times, too."

"The problem for AMD, though, is that while this card is priced at levels around the HD 7850 and HD 7870, its performance is around that of the HD 7950 and HD 7970. You combine this with the fact that AMD really don't have any more room to move on price due to recent price drops. We really do wonder what AMD can do. NVIDIA do this excellent job of taking on multiple AMD models with just one video card and in this case, we see that happening again."
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4869/nvidia_geforce_gt...



the problem with the credibility, even stated in their comments is the games they tested. most of them are physx/nvidia optimized and aren't relevent to what most people want to play. then making a statement that the card is going to be in the 200's is extremely bold, as its already unlikely its going to be that price and is most likely going to hang near 300. nvidia wouldn't lower the price of a gtx 570 to 250$ just to easily be replaced by a new card. heck they even stated that the 660ti was built to surpass the gtx 580, so pricing it at a 570 level would be at a loss for them. An example where tweaktown showed an odd move was when they went to go test the 7970 GHZ edition a few weeks back. Notice that their test setup at the time was using catalyst drivers 12.1 and 12.2, at a time when 12.3/12.4/12.6/12.7 was already released.
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a c 92 U Graphics card
August 1, 2012 12:22:56 AM

Im not sure how tweaktown even gets a card to test since nvidia doesn't even give them cards. Their testing methods are also retarded, even if you can believe the data isn't just forged.
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a c 595 U Graphics card
August 1, 2012 12:26:31 AM

Buying anything in the $300 price range right now is bad advice. I would hope you guys would recognize that.

Shinku, don't be like the guys who bought a $550 7970 or a $400 7950. If you do, just make sure you keep your receipt.
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August 1, 2012 12:27:03 AM

O.o soooo whats reference cards and non-reference? I think I'll still wait until late-august since the prices should drop with the release of new competition.

Idk I feel like the nvidia gtx 570 might be a good buy too, but I've been really eyeing the 7950 cause I wanna get some overclock experience in too


-EDIT- http://videocardz.com/nvidia/geforce-600/geforce-gtx-66... this shows the 660ti being 300 at launch...
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a c 106 U Graphics card
August 1, 2012 12:28:52 AM

17seconds said:
Buying anything in the $300 price range right now is bad advice. I would hope you guys would recognize that.

Shinku, don't be like the guys who bought a $550 7970 or a $400 7950. If you do, just make sure you keep your receipt.



of course im not saying anything bad about the 660ti as of yet(if you'd actually read my posts) im just saying its better to wait for more accurate benchmarks for more relevent games rather then base EVERYTHING on one sites benchmarks, known to give an unfair edge to one side(even the community over there complains about it). If i had the money, from what I see right now, i would have bought a 660ti, but i wouldn't stamp my approval on it just yet till i see more tests, especially because tweaktown generally does their tests at stock clocks or near stock rather than overclocking them, which amd cards have much more room to do.



edit: tbh the most joke part of the article is using uniengine 2.5 rather than updating their software to 3.0
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August 1, 2012 12:30:32 AM

17seconds said:
Buying anything in the $300 price range right now is bad advice. I would hope you guys would recognize that.

Shinku, don't be like the guys who bought a $550 7970 or a $400 7950. If you do, just make sure you keep your receipt.


the 7950 is $320 bro....
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a c 92 U Graphics card
August 1, 2012 12:31:05 AM

reference cards have the AMD red cooler on them. Those coolers suck. They are loud and not very cool.

The 570 is ok but I'd take the 7850 over it due to overclockbility and power consumption.
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August 1, 2012 12:33:25 AM

esrever said:
reference cards have the AMD red cooler on them. Those coolers suck. They are loud and not very cool.

The 570 is ok but I'd take the 7850 over it due to overclockbility and power consumption.


first you say 7870 then its 7850 :D 

I think I'm gonna wait for the release/benches on the 660ti and then make my decision then. If the 660ti is like phenomenal or on par with 7850 and priced at the supposed 200 range I'll get that,

otherwise I'll end up going with the 7950. thanks for all the help guys!
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a c 92 U Graphics card
August 1, 2012 12:45:13 AM

shinku443 said:
first you say 7870 then its 7850 :D 

I think I'm gonna wait for the release/benches on the 660ti and then make my decision then. If the 660ti is like phenomenal or on par with 7850 and priced at the supposed 200 range I'll get that,

otherwise I'll end up going with the 7950. thanks for all the help guys!

well the 7850 is the card priced near the 570 at this point.
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August 1, 2012 12:49:34 AM

esrever said:
well the 7850 is the card priced near the 570 at this point.

yeah but i was going to spend 320 for the 7950, I just wanted to know the best price/performance within that price range. if a $250 card had a better price/performance ratio I might just go with that, but I'm going to wait and see, I'm in no rush. my 5750 is running fine
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a c 92 U Graphics card
August 1, 2012 12:53:41 AM

7850 has better price/performance.
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August 1, 2012 12:55:44 AM


wouldn't it be better to just get 1 or 2 6870s then...?

-edit- after some looking around i still think a 7950 would be more beneficial since I wouldn't have to upgrade for a while and would have more VRAM. but IDK i'm terrible at this technology stuff
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a c 92 U Graphics card
August 1, 2012 1:01:19 AM

its best not to go crossfire if you can avoid it since it often doesn't do well in some games and could take months to be patched. Also their effectiveness varies greatly from game to game. Sometimes 2 cards perform at 2x the speed as 1 and sometimes its even slower than 1 card.
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August 1, 2012 3:06:57 PM

it would seem they decided to jack the prices up on the ATI cards, the 7950 is 350 now, and the 7870 is 320 for the PowerColor OCed one. lolol
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August 1, 2012 3:14:42 PM

Go for the HD 7870, best value for money graphic card out there currently.
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August 1, 2012 3:33:30 PM

merrymustu said:
Go for the HD 7870, best value for money graphic card out there currently.


I'm gonna wait till at least August 17th, probably till like black friday, I'm in no rush :D  but yeah I'm thinking something like a7870 and just OCing
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August 1, 2012 4:52:35 PM

I personally own this; http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Great card. Built on the 7970 PCB which opens up more room for overclocking. People are hitting 1225mhz easy with some people posting close to 1300mhz on the core. I have yet to do any overclocking on my card.

I know it is roughly about $60 more than a 7870 but I was looking towards something that I could xfire later on and then not have to worry about for the next 3-4 years minimum.
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August 1, 2012 5:31:37 PM

merrymustu said:
Go for the HD 7870, best value for money graphic card out there currently.

also, is there a specific brand for the 7870 i should look for?
sapphire?
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August 1, 2012 5:46:34 PM

Go for Sapphire's Radeon HD 7870 Overclock Edition.
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