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September 20, 2012 4:11:49 AM

Hey guys, so im going to build my own pc, im building it in december (thats the time when i have cash :bounce: ) and here are the specs:

ASRock A75M-HVS
AMD A8-3870K
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB/DDR3 1866
Seagate Barracuda Green 1.5TB 5.900RPM
SAPPHIRE AMD Radeon HD 7750 1GB
ASUS DVD Burner Model DRW-24B3ST/BLK/G/AS

Case: APEVIA X-TROOPER Junior Series X-TRPJR-NW-BK/450

Total Price: $521
Without Graphics card: $414

Should i go with this? Im planning to run some games in it like:
Battlefield 3 atleast on medium settings 1440x900

:)  So please tell me :) 

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September 20, 2012 5:01:44 AM

It doesn't really make sense to get an APU and a discrete graphics card. I don't know what prices will be like in Dec. but if they're similar to now you'd be better off going for a Phenom II 965BE and an AM3 motherboard, and upgrade your video card to a 7770 (or better if your budget will allow).
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September 20, 2012 5:12:25 AM

That CPU & APU will hold you back, even if you OC it. Read THIS and rethink your decision. That's not even an i3, that's not even a G870, that's using a G620.

I'm not telling you to go one way or the other, Phenom 965BE and i3 are both good CPU's, just saying to rethink your options.


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September 20, 2012 5:15:17 AM

This would be a much better gaming build.

cpu - i3 3220 $120 newegg.com

mobo - asrock h77m $70 newegg.com

memory - corsair vengeance 8gb 1600 $40 newegg.com

hdd - seagate 1tb $75 amazon.com

gpu - xfx double d 6870 $157.55 newegg.com

optical drive - lg $17 newegg.com

case - zalman z11 plus $50 newegg.com

total - $529.55
You'll also need a psu and os. Get a corsair or antec 500w psu and windows 7. That will probably cost you about $150 more.
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September 20, 2012 5:19:29 AM

Im chaning the processor to the AMD Phenom X4 965 Black Edition 3.4GHz and graphics to NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550 TI, but my question is, whats the best motherboard for $50-$75 range? :bounce: 
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September 20, 2012 5:20:11 AM

Here's what I was talking about. That APU doesn't stand a chance against a stand alone GPU even OC'ed.



Since you chose the Phenom I think you should also take a look at this. i3-2100 is only $105 at new egg right now.

CPU Hierarchy. The i3 (either Ivy or Sandy) is superior to the Phenom and gives you almost unlimited upgrade potential on that socket.
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September 20, 2012 5:24:59 AM

1+ strife_ff7. I think APUs are a HTPC or laptop thing and unless they beef up the actual CPU on them they will stay like that. If you get discrete graphics on an APU then you end up with a terrible processor likely bottlenecking your video card.
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September 20, 2012 5:26:10 AM

Im chaning the processor to the AMD Phenom X4 965 Black Edition 3.4GHz and graphics to NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550 TI, but my question is, whats the best motherboard for $50-$75 range?
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September 20, 2012 5:37:54 AM

Nanovinnie said:
Im chaning the processor to the AMD Phenom X4 965 Black Edition 3.4GHz and graphics to NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550 TI, but my question is, whats the best motherboard for $50-$75 range?


Go with my build. A i3 3220 is better than a phenom ii x4 965 and a 6870 is better than a 550 ti. Also with my build you could upgrade later and get a i5 if you wanted.
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September 20, 2012 5:39:31 AM

I agree with Strife_ff7 on this one. Unless you are determined to use AMD and Nvidia that is a better build.
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September 20, 2012 5:52:41 AM

I think this is an alright build:

Intel Core i3 Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz
NVIDIA GeForce 550 TI 1GB
ASRock H77M
Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB 7.200RPM
LG DVD Burner
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB DDR3 1600

Case: APEVIA X-TROOPER Junior Series X-TRPJR-NW-BK

The case includes a 450w power supply, is that enough?
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September 20, 2012 5:57:04 AM

Nanovinnie said:

The case includes a 450w power supply, is that enough?


Never and I repeat again for emphasis never use a PSU included with a case. They are of variable and usually crap quality and can take your parts down with them.
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September 20, 2012 5:57:21 AM

Oh also, the final price is $506 dollars with shipping included
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September 20, 2012 5:58:45 AM

But, since I'm low in budget, is the power supply just alright? I'm planning to get another later.
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September 20, 2012 6:01:16 AM

Well, so it will be like $556 dollars, is my rig ok for games now?
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September 20, 2012 11:46:21 AM

You should consider the 7770. It consumes much less power than both the 550Ti and 6870 and is a newer card.
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September 20, 2012 4:09:29 PM

yes it should be fine depending on the resolution
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September 20, 2012 5:27:40 PM

The 7770 also doesn't perform anywhere near the other two cards.
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September 20, 2012 6:02:21 PM

dscudella said:
The 7770 also doesn't perform anywhere near the other two cards.


The 7770 outperforms a 550 ti.
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September 20, 2012 6:07:04 PM

Actually idk about real world performance but 7770 has higher passmark rating by 180 points compared to 550ti
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September 20, 2012 6:12:53 PM

You are correct, my apologies. I thought and I was wrong. I should have checked real quick before I made that statement. For the money, an extra ~$20, I would get the 6850 and then for another ~$20 the 6870.

The thing is the OP is looking for a list now but he's not building until December, who knows what prices will look like then.
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September 20, 2012 6:25:26 PM

Synthetic benchmarks such as Passmark do not tell you how a card will perform in a game with any given settings. However, generally, the 7770 will out-perform the GTX 550 Ti significantly. The 7770 is roughly on-par with the 6850 with current drivers, so buying a 6850 over it would be a bad idea. It'd be a perfect example of paying more for less return at higher power consumption.

Given that OP won't be building any time soon, choosing what OP will get right now is probably not the best idea. It's simply too far in the future and as dscudella said, we don't know what prices will be like. Heck, some new cards might be out by then (specifically, the 650 Ti) and we don't really know how they'll perform and we most certainly don't know what their prices will be like in December.
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September 20, 2012 6:34:38 PM

If we are talking about December purchase date then I think that the Phenom might actually be a good value because with AMD launching Vishera (Piledriver) sometime this month or October, Phenoms may actually drop again in price and if I am right on estimations that would put the Phenom at around 85-90 with similar if not equal performance to Sandy i3s. LGA 1155 is EOL so upgrade path at this point is stuck either way
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September 20, 2012 7:01:25 PM

rishiswaz said:
If we are talking about December purchase date then I think that the Phenom might actually be a good value because with AMD launching Vishera (Piledriver) sometime this month or October, Phenoms may actually drop again in price and if I am right on estimations that would put the Phenom at around 85-90 with similar if not equal performance to Sandy i3s. LGA 1155 is EOL so upgrade path at this point is stuck either way


AMD's AM3+ upgrade path is not anywhere near being dead. It's better than LGA 1155 because as you said, LGA 1155 won't be updated again after Ivy. AM3+ will continue to be updated for two more generations and will probably also be compatible with the first AM4 CPU generation too. AMD has far higher gains planned than Intel does even with the newer LGA 1150 interface, so choosing an AM3+ motherboard could be very future-proofed.

Also, don't confuse Phenom II with the older Phenoms on AM2+. Those CPUs were kinda crappy, unlike Phenom II.

Also, this:
http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/cpu/#sort=a7&s=1

In some stores, Phenom II x4 has already dropped down to $75-90.
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September 20, 2012 9:36:19 PM

blazorthon said:
AMD's AM3+ upgrade path is not anywhere near being dead. It's better than LGA 1155 because as you said, LGA 1155 won't be updated again after Ivy. AM3+ will continue to be updated for two more generations and will probably also be compatible with the first AM4 CPU generation too. AMD has far higher gains planned than Intel does even with the newer LGA 1150 interface, so choosing an AM3+ motherboard could be very future-proofed.

Also, don't confuse Phenom II with the older Phenoms on AM2+. Those CPUs were kinda crappy, unlike Phenom II.

Also, this:
http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/cpu/#sort=a7&s=1

In some stores, Phenom II x4 has already dropped down to $75-90.


I thought after BD everything was switching to FM socket with Vishera being FM2. If AM is sticking around then I can keep using my X6 :) 
And by Phenom I meant Phenom II based in the context sorry if that was confusing.
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September 20, 2012 9:39:25 PM

rishiswaz said:
I thought after BD everything was switching to FM socket with Vishera being FM2. If AM is sticking around then I can keep using my X6 :) 
And by Phenom I meant Phenom II based in the context sorry if that was confusing.


Piledriver and Steamroller are confirmed to be AM3+ :)  Excavator is probably AM4, but either way, it should be compatible so long as the BIOS updates come in for the board that OP uses.
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September 20, 2012 9:56:08 PM

I'm staying with this build:
Intel Core i3 Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz
NVIDIA GeForce 550 TI 1GB
ASRock H77M
Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB 7.200RPM
LG DVD Burner
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB DDR3 1600

Case: APEVIA X-TROOPER Junior Series X-TRPJR-NW-BK

I just saw some benchmarks on BF3 on both Nvidia 550 ti and the 7770, and 550 ti won. Not by much, but around 10 Fpa.

My question is, will all this rig run on a 450w psu?
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September 20, 2012 10:15:33 PM

Nanovinnie said:
I'm staying with this build:
Intel Core i3 Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz
NVIDIA GeForce 550 TI 1GB
ASRock H77M
Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB 7.200RPM
LG DVD Burner
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB DDR3 1600

Case: APEVIA X-TROOPER Junior Series X-TRPJR-NW-BK

I just saw some benchmarks on BF3 on both Nvidia 550 ti and the 7770, and 550 ti won. Not by much, but around 10 Fpa.

My question is, will all this rig run on a 450w psu?


Could you give us a link to those benchmarks?
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September 20, 2012 11:52:18 PM

Oh, my mistake, I was confusing the gtx 560
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September 20, 2012 11:53:53 PM

Nanovinnie said:
Oh, my mistake, I was confusing the gtx 560


That's too old anyway. Even if it did show the 7770 getting beaten by the 550 Ti, it's not using modern drivers. Heck, some of the best 7770s can compete with even the GTX 560 with current drivers.
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September 20, 2012 11:55:16 PM

Well, I have seen bad reviews on the 7770 about the drivers, that's why I'm trusting NVIDIA on this one
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September 20, 2012 11:56:19 PM

Nanovinnie said:
Well, I have seen bad reviews on the 7770 about the drivers, that's why I'm trusting NVIDIA on this one


AMD's current drivers are far better than the older ones and are as good as Nvidia's overall (in fact, Nvidia has had problems too, even recently and I could tell you about most of them if asked for specifics).
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September 21, 2012 12:04:12 AM

Intel Core i3 Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz
AMD Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition. 1GB
ASRock H77M
Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB 7.200RPM
LG DVD Burner
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB DDR3 1600

Case: APEVIA X-TROOPER Junior Series X-TRPJR-NW-BK

Is it ok like this? Wll I be able to play Battlefield 3 on medium settings and 1440x900 resolution?
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September 21, 2012 12:18:15 AM

Well, for online gaming, I'd recommend getting an AMD six-core CPU instead of an i3. Multiplayer would run almost twice as good (not exaggerating) on an AMD six-core CPU. BF3 MP is basically the best CPU-bottle-necked game for AMD CPUs because it's very well-threaded. It would also be cheaper than an i3 (not by much, bt still). If you don't intend to play online, then it doesn't really matter what CPU you choose so long as it's a modern CPU with at least two cores and decent performance per core.

As for the graphics, the 7770 can probably play beyond medium settings at that resolution.
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September 21, 2012 12:31:13 AM

So, maybe a AMD FX-6100 Six core. What's the best motherboard for it on $50-$75?
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September 21, 2012 12:44:38 AM

Hey man, sorry for my ignorance, but does the video ports like hdmi, goes in the video card? I have to plug in my hdmi cable on the graphics card?
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September 21, 2012 12:47:09 AM

Any displays must be plugged into the graphics card for this system. There aren't any graphics output ports on this board anyway because it does't have integrated graphics.
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September 21, 2012 1:02:06 AM

Well that is good for anyone sticking with AMD through thick and thin. Intel EOLs their sockets pretty fast and has 0 backwards compatibility.
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September 21, 2012 1:04:02 AM

rishiswaz said:
Well that is good for anyone sticking with AMD through thick and thin. Intel EOLs their sockets pretty fast and has 0 backwards compatibility.


AM3+ supports at least the next two generations, if not the nest three or four from AMD ;)  That's better than LGA 1155's upgrade path where the Ivy Bridge i5s and i7s are as good as it'll get. Although currently great, AMD won't lose to them with their last AM3+ supporting generations at all and BF3 MP greatly favors AMD six-core models over Intel's dual-core models at OP's price range anyway.
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September 21, 2012 1:14:06 AM

Yeah its pretty sad that they are retiring X6 Thuban though. Lucky I got one while I could, now you would be lucky to lay your hands on a X4 Zosma. I would wait for Vishera if you are looking at AMD offerings because Piledriver is supposed to bring 15+% improvement over Bulldozer.
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October 1, 2012 12:11:53 AM

Hey guys, what about the GTX 650, It came out like 16 days ago. Is it better than the 7770?
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October 1, 2012 4:13:28 AM

The upcoming GTX 650 Ti might show-up the 7770, but there is disagreement about which card will be better and we won't know for sure until we see some benchmarks.
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October 1, 2012 5:42:41 AM

to be honest I would not expect much from the GTX 650 unless you are on a small budget and don't mind lower res gaming
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