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February 4, 2013 3:38:43 AM

Can I pair an AMD A10-5800K with a FirePro W5000 Graphics card? I know that this setup is not supported for CrossFire, but I was wondering if and how I could make such a setup work.

I am currently a student studying aerospace engineering and I'm noticing that my very high end laptop isn't cutting it in almost any intensive situation. I am looking for something that I can play games (specifically League of Legends, which my laptop can handle easily, Guild Wars 2, Left 4 Dead 2, and Call of Duty Black Ops II) with medium settings and decent frame rates (30-35 fps) as well as use CAD software like Auto Desk Inventor and NX Unigraphics.
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February 4, 2013 3:40:49 AM

Why specifically the APU!?
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February 4, 2013 5:36:21 AM

Your going to want something better than an APU. For the engineering stuff you are doing you are going to need a good CPU with good discrete graphics. The APU integrated graphics aren't bad but the CPU core power is weak.
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February 4, 2013 5:50:37 AM

You can use any gpu with any cpu, the mobo just needs the right connection. But I'm going with the others, an apu is not what you want.
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February 4, 2013 7:06:33 PM

I was thinking the APU because I want to be able to play games on it as well and I simply don't have the money for a Piledriver/Ivybridge CPU and a Radeon/GeForce gamining GPU and a FirePro/Quadro workstation GPU. I figured that because Tom's his giving the x64 side of the 5800K roughly equivalent marks as a low end i5 and the GPU is equivalent to a 6670 that it would fit good for low to mid settings on games. I know it won't work for Inventor/NX/Solidworks, but that is why I'm wondering if it is possible to smoothly pair it with the FirePro W5000 or W7000.

Would I have to dual boot for the drivers to work right, or can I have a setup similar to what my laptop does with Intel HD3000/NVidia Geforce dual graphics.
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February 4, 2013 9:50:46 PM

The 5800k's gpu is roughly a 5550. And the cpu side is closer to an i3. An i5 would only be $50 more and I suspect the w5000 would do better in games than either igpu.

Switchable graphics is a laptop tech unless you use virtu. But without it, I have found switching the primary monitor in windows options will make games switch which gpu it uses.
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February 4, 2013 10:05:53 PM

folem said:
I was thinking the APU because I want to be able to play games on it as well and I simply don't have the money for a Piledriver/Ivybridge CPU and a Radeon/GeForce gamining GPU and a FirePro/Quadro workstation GPU. I figured that because Tom's his giving the x64 side of the 5800K roughly equivalent marks as a low end i5 and the GPU is equivalent to a 6670 that it would fit good for low to mid settings on games. I know it won't work for Inventor/NX/Solidworks, but that is why I'm wondering if it is possible to smoothly pair it with the FirePro W5000 or W7000.

Would I have to dual boot for the drivers to work right, or can I have a setup similar to what my laptop does with Intel HD3000/NVidia Geforce dual graphics.


You can do what you want but while the APU will be fine for gaming you are giving up performance in heavy CPU work. Like I said the integrated graphics are ok but the APU's CPU core power is weak.
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February 4, 2013 11:25:34 PM

k1114 said:
The 5800k's gpu is roughly a 5550. And the cpu side is closer to an i3. An i5 would only be $50 more and I suspect the w5000 would do better in games than either igpu.

Switchable graphics is a laptop tech unless you use virtu. But without it, I have found switching the primary monitor in windows options will make games switch which gpu it uses.

So it would be that simple, just change the default monitor and the FirePro/Quadro driver wouldn't interfere with the Radeon Driver?
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February 5, 2013 1:38:57 AM

There are plenty of others who use consumer cards with workstation cards. You act as if the w5000 is not capable of running games. The specs would put it above the 7770 but I'd suspect it to be below. Although still way above the 7660d.

Btw what are the specs of your laptop?
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February 5, 2013 1:51:47 AM

whats ur full budget for upgrades or new pc?

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February 5, 2013 2:06:20 AM

k1114 said:
There are plenty of others who use consumer cards with workstation cards. You act as if the w5000 is not capable of running games. The specs would put it above the 7770 but I'd suspect it to be below. Although still way above the 7660d.

Btw what are the specs of your laptop?

My current laptop has an i7-2670QM (2.2GHz 4/8 core), NVIDIA GeForce GT (16 ROPs @750 and 96 shaders @ 1500 MHz, 1GB DDR3 @ 1575 MHz), a 500 GB 7200 RPM Seagate HDD, and 8 GB of RAM @ 1333 MHz, Windows 8 Pro 64-bit (clean install directly from Microsoft). It is a Lenovo IdeaPad 570 and all of the specs are from Speccy, to make sure that Lenovo didn't cheat me. I'm disappointed because I bought this high end of a laptop specifically hoping that I would only need one computer, but I'm already starting to notice Inventor getting bogged down with a simple screw model without running any simulations or anything.
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February 5, 2013 2:07:11 AM

iceclock said:
whats ur full budget for upgrades or new pc?

I'd like to keep it under $800, but I could do $900. I already have a monitor and all of the other peripherals, so don't count that in.
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February 5, 2013 4:16:43 AM

do u need os?

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February 5, 2013 4:39:05 AM

iceclock said:
do u need os?

No, I have a valid Windows 8 Pro 64-bit license that I can transfer back to my laptop, then restore the factory install of Win 7.
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February 5, 2013 10:20:02 AM

nice.

wil be back later to help u school of it now.

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February 5, 2013 4:29:29 PM

One last quick question, would a W5000 or W7000 card fit in a mATX case, or would I have to get a mid-tower.
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February 5, 2013 8:18:03 PM

id recommand a mid-tower

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/BGFj
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/BGFj/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/BGFj/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($289.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Plextor M5S Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($94.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: ATI FirePro V5700 512MB Video Card ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec Neo Eco 520W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS72 DVD/CD Writer ($22.75 @ Amazon)
Total: $842.66
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-05 17:18 EST-0500)

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February 5, 2013 8:44:41 PM

iceclock said:
id recommand a mid-tower

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/BGFj
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/BGFj/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/BGFj/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($289.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Plextor M5S Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($94.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: ATI FirePro V5700 512MB Video Card ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec Neo Eco 520W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS72 DVD/CD Writer ($22.75 @ Amazon)
Total: $842.66
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-05 17:18 EST-0500)

Thanks that looks like a great build, but I think I might save $50 by going for an FX-8320 instead of the i7 because I don't do a lot of work that is incredibly CPU intensive, just occasionally a ~600 line MATLAB/Python script, which even on my laptop finishes in <2 minutes.
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February 5, 2013 10:31:03 PM

shur whynot.

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a c 135 à CPUs
February 5, 2013 10:32:00 PM

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/BIaV
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/BIaV/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/BIaV/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($32.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 LE R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($79.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Plextor M5S Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($94.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: ATI FirePro V5700 512MB Video Card ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec Neo Eco 520W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS72 DVD/CD Writer ($22.75 @ Amazon)
Total: $785.55
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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February 5, 2013 10:44:44 PM

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February 5, 2013 10:45:16 PM

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