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GTX 560TI 1GB vs 2GB vs GTX570

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August 1, 2012 4:03:51 PM

Hi all, going to get myself a new system as mine is almost 5 years old now, and have got
i5 2500k
kingston hyperx 8gb 1600MHz

but when deciding on the graphics card I want an Nvidia as I'm familar with their drivers for my Dual Monitor set up.

however, I'm not sure whether to just get a gtx 560ti 1GB, or get the 2GB version because of my dual screen setup which may need the extra VRAM but i'm not sure...

then theres also the option of getting the gtx570 which is the same price as the 2gb 560ti but the 570 is only 1.2gb vram.. so what should I do guys?

Optimum would be the gtx580 with 1.5gb vram but its a bit expensive to be honest, looking at the 560/570 models more..

Thanks guys
August 1, 2012 4:35:26 PM

joninoone said:
The best choice would be GTX 570. Of course it has less vRam but its about 20-30 faster than GTX 560ti... however what resolution are you using


i'm running 2 monitors at 1920x1080 however I don't spread the games over the two I play the game fullscreen on one and do other things like skype on the second monitor.. so do I need 2gb VRAM?
a b U Graphics card
August 1, 2012 4:44:00 PM

go with hd 7850 or 7870 if possible!
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a b U Graphics card
August 1, 2012 4:45:36 PM

This is for gaming, right? And are these 2x 1080p @ 60Hz?

If you're committed to nvidia, you may want to wait until the 660 Ti and 650 come out. I'm actually not convinced that the 660 Ti is such a great card for multi-monitor setups or high-res gaming, because it has a gimped RAM bus. But it may affect the prices of older cards, and who knows--it may be a good multi-monitor card. Another current option is the 480, which has 1.5 GB of VRAM and a wide bus. (And if you abandon nividia, of course there's always the 7850.)
August 1, 2012 4:46:05 PM

hellfire24 said:
go with hd 7850 or 7870 if possible!


they only have one dvi output, I need dual monitors dvi or vga..
a b U Graphics card
August 1, 2012 4:47:47 PM

ITomI said:
i'm running 2 monitors at 1920x1080 however I don't spread the games over the two I play the game fullscreen on one and do other things like skype on the second monitor.. so do I need 2gb VRAM?


Ah I see, well if you're just gaming on one of the two monitors and are committed to nvidia, then I strongly recommend waiting for the 660 Ti and 650 to be released.
August 1, 2012 4:47:57 PM

motorneuron said:
This is for gaming, right? And are these 2x 1080p @ 60Hz?

If you're committed to nvidia, you may want to wait until the 660 Ti and 650 come out. I'm actually not convinced that the 660 Ti is such a great card for multi-monitor setups or high-res gaming, because it has a gimped RAM bus. But it may affect the prices of older cards, and who knows--it may be a good multi-monitor card. Another current option is the 480, which has 1.5 GB of VRAM and a wide bus. (And if you abandon nividia, of course there's always the 7850.)


As I just posted the 7860 is not suitable, however I will look into the GTX 480, thanks for the suggestion!
August 1, 2012 4:56:22 PM

Wait till the end of the month if u can to see how 660TI will turn out.
August 1, 2012 4:58:15 PM

motorneuron said:
Also note that some 7850 models (and I'm sure 7870s) have 2x DVI. E.g. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


However they are more expensive than the 560ti's,, and the gtx 480 seem to run very hot and loud compared to the 560ti.

basically guys, Do you think I need >1GB VRAM for dual monitors with the game on one and other stuff on the other screen?
a b U Graphics card
August 1, 2012 5:03:29 PM

As I tried but maybe failed to say above, 1 GB is not ideal, though that has more to do with future-proofing than with whether your card can handle a monitor of gaming alongside a monitor of non-gaming. And the $240 post-rebate price on that 7850 I listed is not dramatically different from the price of 570s. But, as I also said above, you are probably best off waiting to see how the next nvidia round goes. Alternatively, and again an alternative, get this $190 post-rebate 2GB 6950. It will run a little slower than the 480 you decried, but at less power and heat, and has 2GB of VRAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
a b U Graphics card
August 1, 2012 5:12:48 PM

ITomI said:
However they are more expensive than the 560ti's,, and the gtx 480 seem to run very hot and loud compared to the 560ti.

basically guys, Do you think I need >1GB VRAM for dual monitors with the game on one and other stuff on the other screen?


The 7850 is a better performing card than the 560 ti and already has 2gb of ram so you don't even have to worry about it. But to answer your question: maybe, depends on the game and how high you run your settings. If you run hardware-demanding modern games like BF3 and plan to play the new hardware-demanding games of the future, then you should get a card with 2gb of ram. But, again, performance-wise a 7850 is superior and simply isn't that much more: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
August 1, 2012 5:20:06 PM

larkspur said:
The 7850 is a better performing card than the 560 ti and already has 2gb of ram so you don't even have to worry about it. But to answer your question: maybe, depends on the game and how high you run your settings. If you run hardware-demanding modern games like BF3 and plan to play the new hardware-demanding games of the future, then you should get a card with 2gb of ram. But, again, performance-wise a 7850 is superior and simply isn't that much more: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Hmm I see your point, thanks, is there much difference to a 7850 and 7870?
August 1, 2012 5:22:38 PM

If you are only gaming on one of the monitors there is no need for 2GB of vram. The 660ti will be a fair bit more expensive than either the 560ti or the 570. If you don't mind spending more and waiting longer then it will be a better bet.
a b U Graphics card
August 1, 2012 5:28:43 PM

but 7870 outperforms 580 in most of the cases at stock clocks!
August 1, 2012 5:30:47 PM

hellfire24 said:
but 7870 outperforms 580 in most of the cases at stock clocks!


which is insane, considering the 7870 is £230 and the gtx580 is £310 and its outperforming it!!

maybe I should fork out the extra for a 7870 :bounce: 
a b U Graphics card
August 1, 2012 5:33:47 PM

^exactly!
August 1, 2012 5:37:56 PM

hellfire24 said:
^exactly!


damn, gonna have to do it and get the 7870, that card has really nice performance for the price of it!
a c 185 U Graphics card
August 1, 2012 5:38:26 PM

Yeah IMO the 560TI and 7850 are weak cards they don't impress me one bit but the 7870 are beast!
a b U Graphics card
August 1, 2012 5:40:14 PM

go ahead!
a b U Graphics card
August 1, 2012 5:44:39 PM

It may also be worth pointing out the 12.7 beta catalyst drivers include a bunch of performance improvements for various games for all the GCN-based cards (7700, 7800, 7900 series): http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/Catalystbeta...

If you go with a radeon, I'd suggest using that driver until the stable version is released.
a b U Graphics card
August 1, 2012 5:45:06 PM

The 7870 is significantly weaker than the 7950 and is the same price. Why go for the 7870?
August 1, 2012 5:58:36 PM

ITomI said:
Hi all, going to get myself a new system as mine is almost 5 years old now, and have got
i5 2500k
kingston hyperx 8gb 1600MHz

but when deciding on the graphics card I want an Nvidia as I'm familar with their drivers for my Dual Monitor set up.

however, I'm not sure whether to just get a gtx 560ti 1GB, or get the 2GB version because of my dual screen setup which may need the extra VRAM but i'm not sure...

then theres also the option of getting the gtx570 which is the same price as the 2gb 560ti but the 570 is only 1.2gb vram.. so what should I do guys?

Optimum would be the gtx580 with 1.5gb vram but its a bit expensive to be honest, looking at the 560/570 models more..

Thanks guys



Realistically, you can look at it a multitude of ways. Going shiny brass new has all it glamour, however just do research. The 6950 unlocked to a 6970 or just a 6970 will outperform a 560-570 with insane ease on most benchmarks. However, it is slightly better for the "future proofing" (hate that saying) than a GTX 580, being that it will handle a 3 display much much better due to more vram(as more games require more vram) the core processor is the bottleneck vs VRAM speed. So that being said, you can save 200 dollars by getting a 6950 and unlocking it or save about 160 and just go with the sure thing of a 6970. You'll end up saving and getting better performance by going with a 6950 unlocking it over buying a 560or570 (even with 560 448 cores you'll still do better by paying the SAME price and going with 570).. The 2-3gb 560/570 costs 100 more than a 6970 for about the same performance specially on multiple display setups, or near max video card resolution. The 6950 unlocked to 6970 beats out the 7850 in nearly everything possible for the same price, same compliancy standards. The 7870 is the same price as 6970 (as they're basically the same chip) While the 6970 has more headroom for performance through its vram, it actually does not smash the 7870 in most benchmarks. The 7870 is much more high resolution friendly with the GCN technology and the boost to memory and core in the GHZ edition of the 7870, helps quite a bit to keep up with the 6970 in benchmarks at lower resolutions up to around 1080p. But the high end Radeons 7 series, and Nvidia 6 series take the cake with the anything above 1080p.

So realistically, just ask yourself.
How much do you really want to spend? Is it worth to buy the technology just because its brand spanking new? Do you go the "more than good enough for 3-4 years" route?
Or, do you just want to go beast mode and show your epeen?
If I were you, I would most definitely go for the 7870 if its a toss between the ones I mentioned.
If you're planning on a single screen display (1080p on monitors won't be going away for a good decade) the 6950 unlocked to 6970 is by and large the winner. Don't believe this bull crap about PCI x 16 gen 3. It is more powerful, but no consumer video card to DATE has the technology to even fully utilize pci x 16 gen 2. The manufacturers need to clean up and better drivers and bios on chips. It'll be a 3-5 years until pci x 16 gen 3 is the average. Software and video card manufacturers know this. You will find games that will handle this gens video games just fine. Might not to be able to max it, but you'll have the piece of mind knowing. You didn't waste 600 dollars on a card that in 2-3 years, may have new instruction sets, that have as good or better specs for way less than half the price. Example, you buy a 6950 today or a 7870 and you want to be able to handle 99.9999999999% of the games out there on max settings, you spend 200-270 dollars and you'll be fine for atleast 2-3 years on max settings for 99.9999999% of games... get a new card if need be, theres no gurantee you will need one. Or spend 600, because you MUST be able to run every game that ever comes out on the MAX settings. But 5 years from now you're stuck again, of having the MAX settings on every game possible. Wasting your money again.
Just like idiots that profess you must have an i7 2500k for 250 when for all but that tiniest of tiny groups, the most you really need is a very good dual core for 120. Because I promise when the time comes and you NEED a new processor to handle the games well. Then you'll see a 120 dollar processor that devastates that old legacy i7 2500k.

It's long, I'm sorry, but people give short answers by opinion or being a fan of the company. Do you need to drive a Bentley or will a nice new Toyota work? When it's a waste of your money, then you're just buying status, not performance.
August 1, 2012 6:09:59 PM

kevin83 said:
The 7870 is significantly weaker than the 7950 and is the same price. Why go for the 7870?


If you were talking about the 7870 reference card, then yes, you'd have an argument. How limited was that production? Most 7870 radeons you'll see now are the GHZ Edition, which has a much greater core clock over (albeit less stream processors) But you really won't notice the difference. Why waste 80 dollars on something that actually isn't much more than 1-2% better? Even at higher resolutions it doesn't beat out the 7870ghz. The 7950 is only "significantly stronger" than the 7870 when you overclock it, if you end up getting a "great chip." Why tell someone useless information that isn't totally correct?
a b U Graphics card
August 1, 2012 6:16:03 PM

Don't get upset--it's just the internet!

A slightly older bench shows that it's much more than a 1-2% difference--more like 15-25%, with more of a gap at higher resolutions. This doesn't include the effect of driver updates, which I assume help both cards. But it also, moreover, doesn't include the effect of manually OCing the 7950, which after all has a significantly slower core clock than the 7870, but which is capable of OCing just as high as the 7870 can:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/548?vs=550
a b U Graphics card
August 1, 2012 6:18:01 PM

Okay well then I'd be waiting for a 660 ti at the $300 price point or buying a 7870. Prices on the 7950 have gone up significantly since I last checked.
a b U Graphics card
August 2, 2012 12:11:27 AM

I would say the AMD side would work better for you in this case, but which ever way you chose to go definitely wait until the 660ti is released, it will have an effect on the price of all these cards!
August 2, 2012 12:43:01 AM

Yes, I heavily suggest the 7870, 660ti will probably be slightly better than the 7870, but cost a little more. You shouldn't notice much of a difference unless you crave a few fps. Remember as well you can crossfire two 7870's for roughly the same price of a gtx 670, and get a little bit better performance over gtx 680(provided you have a board hard wired with two pci express x16 gen 2 or a pci gen 3 x16 and a pci gen 3 x8. 7870 should be more than ample enough for games you'll encounter out on the market today.
August 2, 2012 1:03:45 AM

ok I have this guys as my first build ever :p 

Antec 300 Tower Case
XFX Radeon HD 7870 Graphic Card
Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz
Kingston HyperX Genesis 2x4GB 1600MHz
Gigabyte GA-Z68AP-D3 Desktop Motherboard
Samsung SH-S222AB 22x DVD±RW DL & RAM SATA Optical Drive
1TB Western Digital Caviar Black HDD
OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W ATX PSU
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
a c 185 U Graphics card
August 2, 2012 1:05:43 AM

ITomI said:
ok I have this guys as my first build ever :p 

Antec 300 Tower Case
XFX Radeon HD 7870 Graphic Card
Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz
Kingston HyperX Genesis 2x4GB 1600MHz
Gigabyte GA-Z68AP-D3 Desktop Motherboard
Samsung SH-S222AB 22x DVD±RW DL & RAM SATA Optical Drive
1TB Western Digital Caviar Black HDD
OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W ATX PSU
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
make sure that kingston ram is not 1.65v

August 2, 2012 1:09:40 AM

bigcyco1 said:
make sure that kingston ram is not 1.65v


:o  it is, why is that a problem?
a c 185 U Graphics card
August 2, 2012 1:11:16 AM

ITomI said:
:o  it is, why is that a problem?
Yes it is switch it to one of these RAM:G.SKILL Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBSR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM:Crucial Ballistix sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model BLS2KIT4G3D1609DS1S00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM:G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-1600C9D-8GAB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

August 2, 2012 1:13:47 AM

bigcyco1 said:
Yes it is switch it to one of these RAM:G.SKILL Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBSR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM:Crucial Ballistix sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model BLS2KIT4G3D1609DS1S00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM:G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-1600C9D-8GAB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


im from uk so newegg links aren't too great but I found this on ebuyer (our version of newegg kinda)

http://www.ebuyer.com/264750-g-skill-8gb-ddr3-1600mhz-r...

thats 1.5V, why does it matter?
a c 185 U Graphics card
August 2, 2012 4:23:25 AM

hellfire24 said:
not a problem,get this one and stay happy-
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/8gb-(2x4gb)-corsair-ddr3-vengeance-jet-black-lp-pc3-12800-(1600)-non-ecc-cas-9-9-9-24-xmp-15v
+1 that's what you want. ;) 
!