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Upgrade to IB now?.. Wait for Haswell? Or go with Am3+?

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February 4, 2013 7:48:57 AM

So I was about to pick up an upgrade with i53K z77 chipset etc.

But as we all know 1155 is... A dead socket. On the other hand an IB 3570k will serve long.

There is also upcoming haswell which I can wait for. Heard some talks about haswell focusing mobile chips and integrated graphics.

I can also pick up AMD FX83xx Cpu and upgrade to steamroller later.

At the moment its mostly for gaming in spare time and some programming for my study the upcoming years... And honestly i cant game with my current Phenom X4.. Bottlenecks the *** out of my GTX660

So what do you say? I already have a chosen IB upgrade waiting for me to order it..

Thanks in advance
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February 4, 2013 7:52:51 AM

IB 3570K is the way to go

Haswell may not be a huge improvement over IB so you could spend a lot of time waiting for something when u can have a good upgrade now, then upgrade to Broadwell in the future
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February 4, 2013 8:39:59 AM

kitsunestarwind said:
IB 3570K is the way to go

Haswell may not be a huge improvement over IB so you could spend a lot of time waiting for something when u can have a good upgrade now, then upgrade to Broadwell in the future


Yeah I wanted to be sure that IB is worth it at least until broadwell..

What do you guys think about Steamroller?
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February 4, 2013 8:50:42 AM

what is ur current spec ? if u already own an ~ intel LGA1366 i7 , 1156 i5 , ~AMD AM3 1100T
or something in this range , i would suggest u wait for haswell since as u mentioned 1155 is already dead
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February 4, 2013 9:00:27 AM

SkyWalker1726 said:
what is ur current spec ? if u already own an ~ intel LGA1366 i7 , 1156 i5 , ~AMD AM3 1100T
or something in this range , i would suggest u wait for haswell since as u mentioned 1155 is already dead


Who seriously upgrades within the same socket? The upgrade would only prove to be a minor upgrade, which means you don't really get that much more performance for your money. An exception would be Bulldozer and Piledriver. Bulldozer was utterly crap all the way through, while piledriver now is decent enough and could be considered an option compared to Intel.

If you need performance now, then get the i5-3570k. It will be more than sufficient. Upgrading later on will cause your system to remain unbalanced with a too strong CPU and a weak GPU compared to it.
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February 4, 2013 9:06:09 AM

austenwhd said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/363901-28-intel-core-...

what ib have you opted for, also what is your budget, cpu+mb.


I5 3570k with Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H is what I will be going for i think.

My current specs are bad imo, old Phenom X4 2.6Ghz. 4GB ddr2 RAM and ASRock n68-s
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February 4, 2013 9:12:24 AM

You will need to upgrade all your hardware, even rams, so i say go for FX 8350, the whole config will be around 250$, your GPU seems fine (in fact, good), if you exchange your old specs, you could get a sweet deal out of it. Hang on to AMD, streamroller will take some time to come, Haswell will take even more time.
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February 4, 2013 9:33:02 AM


Not much of an upgrade.

A PhII x4 does not really bottleneck a GTX660, and it moves forward to AM3+, anyway.

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February 4, 2013 9:42:20 AM

i don't think its a PhII x4, but a PhI x4.
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February 4, 2013 9:55:18 AM

Intel has the "tic -toc" philosophy, considering that Sandy Bridge was a"toc" over Nehalem, Ivy Bridge was a "tic" over Sandy, if we "believe' Intel to stick to the philosophy then Haswell should be a "toc" over Ivy, but dunno why, i doubt that... :) 
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February 4, 2013 9:58:31 AM

Haswell is power efficient, don't expect too much performance improvement, if you are going to count IGPU performance, then count me out of that, i still rely on dedicated GPUs.
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February 4, 2013 10:11:48 AM

austenwhd said:
Haswell is power efficient, don't expect too much performance improvement, if you are going to count IGPU performance, then count me out of that, i still rely on dedicated GPUs.


So you dont recommend the i5 3570k with the GA-Z77X-D3H? I will be getting 8GB RAM with it. Probably 1600
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February 4, 2013 10:11:53 AM

crisan_tiberiu said:
Intel has the "tic -toc" philosophy, considering that Sandy Bridge was a"toc" over Nehalem, Ivy Bridge was a "tic" over Sandy, if we "believe' Intel to stick to the philosophy then Haswell should be a "toc" over Ivy, but dunno why, i doubt that... :) 


tocs are new architectures
tics are new processes

haswell is a new arch therefore a toc.
IVB was in the main a die shrink therefore a tic

historically, core 2 over P-IV, i series over core 2, the tocs have been the most beneficial in terms of performance. The tics have brought refinements, power, speed, temp improvements (or just some of these).

What is there to doubt? it is a new arch. period. whether it will bring expected performance increases is to be determined, given that the only leaked test showed that it was roughly as fast as IVB at a substantially slower clock speed i'd say it might well do just that.

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February 4, 2013 10:13:24 AM

austenwhd said:
Haswell is power efficient, don't expect too much performance improvement, if you are going to count IGPU performance, then count me out of that, i still rely on dedicated GPUs.


tdp for haswell is higher than ivb, 84W vs 77W i think.
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February 4, 2013 10:13:33 AM

burbee said:
So you dont recommend the i5 3570k with the GA-Z77X-D3H? I will be getting 8GB RAM with it. Probably 1600


that will be fine.
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February 4, 2013 10:20:34 AM

Wisecracker said:
Not much of an upgrade.

A PhII x4 does not really bottleneck a GTX660, and it moves forward to AM3+, anyway.


Its a Phenom X4, not Phenom II
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February 4, 2013 10:29:05 AM

13thmonkey, Haswell's TDP averages below 45 W, power efficient, the best thing about them, they claim, the best in any generation of Intel CPUs.

burbee, exchange the old gig, and you can buy 16 GB ram 2133 , most high-end MB with FX 8350, and still you will get it cheaper than 3570K+Z77 MB combo. Better performance, u need it for programming right.

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February 4, 2013 10:55:34 AM

If it is an original phenom then definately upgrade to IB as the orginal phenoms have nothing on the current PhenomII X4, let alone anything in the 1155 socket

Phenom I x4 (fastest phenom I i am working it off ) to IB Core i5-3570 is at least 6 teir's of upgrade, which is insane, totally do it
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February 4, 2013 11:02:30 AM

13thmonkey, there is a lower power version of every model, minus overclocking, just the same as IB.
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February 4, 2013 11:09:44 AM

yes, and none of them are lower than the ivb versions, hence it is not more efficient.

the easiest comparison is the K to K series, 84 vs 77 IVB is more efficient.

for T to T comparisons its either 45 to 35 IVB is more efficient or 35 to 35, IVB is equally efficient.

efficient here is a poor word to use as we should be comparing tdp vs output of some kind. it could be that they perform much much better, hence for a bit more electrical power you get a lot more computing done. but these are not 45W chips compared to 77W chips.
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February 4, 2013 11:59:11 AM

AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core PC Mark Score 9,212 @ $189.99

Vs.

Intel Core i5-3570K @ 3.40GHz PC Mark Score 7,138 @ $219.99

Make your choice. You are a programmer so you will need all the cores you can get.

13thmonkey, as far as we know, nothing is yet confirmed, this could be a rumour, i read somewhere an Intel official claimed Haswell to be the biggest leap in power efficiency that Intel has ever achieved.


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February 4, 2013 5:47:03 PM

I'm really confused now between fx 83xx / i5 3570k...

I need to think about this
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February 4, 2013 6:02:15 PM

Dude your seriously saying an 8350 is better than a 3570k? Get real man. Maybe it's faster in SOME highly threaded apps but in apps that use 4 cores or less the 3570k CRUSHES the 8350. Why are you being such a fan using only 1 benchmark to judge 2 different processors while trying to say that's the only relevant way to compare the two.

I respect the 8350 and I think it's great for budget users. I even recommended it 5 minutes ago on a thread similar to this. But, it is NOT better than the 3570k. I would say that if you weight the pros and cons of both they are about the same. Even though personally I much rather the 3570k.

I much rather have a processor that has 4 powerful cores than 8 weak ones ANYDAY.
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February 4, 2013 6:07:40 PM

Dude forget what this guy is saying about the 8350 and go with the 3570k. I've read benchmarks as far as thy eye can see and I KNOW the difference between these two. The 3570k IS and will always be the better processor. Maybe if all you do all day long is work with programs that use all 8 cores then you MAYBE go 8350. But for a gamer or someone like me who wants 4 super powered cores and not 8 weak cores. Go with the 3570k and call it a day. You want an Intel or AMD? Everyone knows Intel is superior. PERIOD. So UNLESS your on a really low budget go with the 3570k. Don't you notice everyone on his site has the 3570k? That's because it's awesome. How many people you see around here with the 8350?
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February 4, 2013 7:25:59 PM

ericjohn004 said:
Dude forget what this guy is saying about the 8350 and go with the 3570k. I've read benchmarks as far as thy eye can see and I KNOW the difference between these two. The 3570k IS and will always be the better processor. Maybe if all you do all day long is work with programs that use all 8 cores then you MAYBE go 8350. But for a gamer or someone like me who wants 4 super powered cores and not 8 weak cores. Go with the 3570k and call it a day. You want an Intel or AMD? Everyone knows Intel is superior. PERIOD. So UNLESS your on a really low budget go with the 3570k. Don't you notice everyone on his site has the 3570k? That's because it's awesome. How many people you see around here with the 8350?


Haha yeah I know that intel > amd all the time now.. It was more the upgradeability I think that got me there :p 
But anyways I will be picking the i5 3570k.

Thanks everyone for their input, maybe I'll even go for i7 3770k if overclocking with a cheaper board is possible like GA-Z77P-D3.. (is it?)
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February 4, 2013 7:51:44 PM


FX-8350 Vishera
2x4GB Crucial DDR3 1866MHz
Gigabyte 970 -UD3

... less than $350

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February 5, 2013 12:26:40 PM

For now, I would just go with the i5-3570k if you cannot wait until late June / early July to build a new rig. I don't believe Haswell will be a big improvement over Ivy Bridge in terms of CPU processing power; assuming the same clockspeed. I think the improvement will range between 5% - 10% (at most). Intel is focusing on reducing power consumption so that they can compete in the tablet market segment which is were there real growth business is in.

Broadwell in 2014 will likely improve performance by a decent; around 10% - 15% at most. Skylake in mid-2015 should be a game changer, but that is over two years from now.
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February 10, 2013 11:27:55 AM

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