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September 21, 2012 1:38:13 PM

Ok I'm nervous about building my own system. There are way to many parts to choose all with mixed reviews. I do not know what is quality compared to price so please help.

Approximate Purchase Date: Within the next 6 days

Budget Range: $1200-1400 before rebates

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, surfing the internet, watching movies)

Are you buying a monitor: No

Parts to Upgrade: Complete system.

Do you need to buy OS: Can I still use Windows 8 for free until January?

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg, Amazon

Location:San Antonio Texas

Parts Preferences: I'd like Ivy Bridge, also was looking at 670 or 7970 GHz ed. but I don't know the pro's/con's for each

Overclocking: Yes but in the future

SLI or Crossfire: No, I want a single card solution high end solution.

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080p

Additional Comments: I'll be playing BF3, Black Ops 2, Guild Wars 2, Mechwarrior Online, Hawken.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: My current system is 8 years old and I want to build a PC that will last me a while before I need to over clock or upgrade.


____~~~~**** Todays the day****~~~~_____

This is what I'm looking at currently purchasing ASAP http://pcpartpicker.com/p/iBgH
I just need help picking the right Motherboard.
Does anyone know the differences between these that would concern me; such as over clocking CPU and GPU?

ASrock Extreme4 $139.99:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813157293

ASrock Extreme3 $119.99:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813157330

ASrock Performance (Only Allows Single GPU) $119.99:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813157298

If it matters I do not plan on SLI / CF. Only plan on a Single High end GPU and OC'ing GPU+CPU.

any other suggestions on a different mother board in the same price range is welcome.

September 21, 2012 4:43:45 PM

Deal with the easy ones:
For high quality, full ATX board, that is easy to overclock with, Asus P8Z77-V PRO. A bit pricey, but very good.
NXZT cases are quite good, if a little "Quirky". Cases are very subjective. Personally, I like Corsair Carbide. Good quality, but it's so subjective.
As to which graphics card ... ummhh. It really comes down to what games you want to play. Like for like (same price), Radeon have better average performance, over a wide range of games. Having said that, a lot of the most modern games are written with nVidia "in mind", and thus nVidia shine in certain games, like BF3, Portal 2, Shogun, the new Borderlands 2. Add to that nVidia tend to be more efficient, in terms of power, heat and noise, and it's a difficult choice.
September 21, 2012 4:52:48 PM

malbluff said:
Deal with the easy ones:
For high quality, full ATX board, that is easy to overclock with, Asus P8Z77-V PRO. A bit pricey, but very good.
NXZT cases are quite good, if a little "Quirky". Cases are very subjective. Personally, I like Corsair Carbide. Good quality, but it's so subjective.
As to which graphics card ... ummhh. It really comes down to what games you want to play. Like for like (same price), Radeon have better average performance, over a wide range of games. Having said that, a lot of the most modern games are written with nVidia "in mind", and thus nVidia shine in certain games, like BF3, Portal 2, Shogun, the new Borderlands 2. Add to that nVidia tend to be more efficient, in terms of power, heat and noise, and it's a difficult choice.


Nvidia tends to be less power efficient. The Kepler series is the first in a long time that is more power efficient and even then, that's only if you avoid heavy MSAA and heavy tessellation because in pretty much any game, AMD's affinity for them can turn the performance into AMD's favor even if they aren't winning at a given price point without them. AMD has huge tessellation and AA efficiency leads and even in very Nvidia-favoring games such as BatMan: AC and Borderlands 2, AMD can get the advantage depending on the settings. What is better depends on the game, but it depends more so on the settings than on the game.

Complaints about the Radeon cards are almost purely outdated because the driver issues have been fixed. Besides, Nvidia had driver issues too, they just weren't as vocalized.

As for the case, I'm generally not comfortable with spending more than the cost of a HAF 912, but as malbluff said, that's very subjective. I haven't heard bad things about that Phantom case, but I wouldn't spend that much on it either.
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September 21, 2012 4:59:41 PM

OP, how much do you want to overclock your CPU? What CPU model you should get and what cooler you should get depend on this.
September 21, 2012 5:12:48 PM

First, everyone thank you for the information and recommendations.
I don't know much about overclocking but I don't plan on going to seriously into it, just enough to improve performance down the road.
I was really looking at the i5-3570k and not going over 4.2 with the OC I read somewhere that once you go past that, its not really worth it and it starts over heating. - I like the look for the enclosed Corsair water coolers but I read they don't do much compared to lets say the Cooler Master 212 Evo.
Games - well I play everything that comes out and would like to do so with as much graphics turned up as high as it'll go.
I was planning to spend 100-150 on a case and keep looking between the Corsair vengeance case, Cooler Master Storm Trooper and NZXT Phantom 410 :p 
Though I'm a total hardware junky and would like to have a window to look at my components so I donno :D 

I feel blind when comparing Asus boards such as the P8Z77-V PRO and the P8Z77-V, I honestly can't see what the difference is.

Aside from that is there a way I can link the cart from newegg to show what I'm looking at so far?
September 21, 2012 5:25:28 PM

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/i6Th

What do you think of this?
The Radeon 7950 is superior to any GTX 670 except maybe the Asus DCII TOP (this was discontinued and was over $100 more expensive anyway) when overclocking is intended.

This is one of the best cases available at this price point as far as I'm aware and it has a good window.

The PSU is plenty for this build.

The memory and motherboard should also be great.

Vertex 4 is easily the best SSD brand available for desktops.

There's not much else to say about it :) 
September 21, 2012 5:54:06 PM

blazorthon said:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/i6Th

What do you think of this?
The Radeon 7950 is superior to any GTX 670 except maybe the Asus DCII TOP (this was discontinued and was over $100 more expensive anyway) when overclocking is intended.

This is one of the best cases available at this price point as far as I'm aware and it has a good window.

The PSU is plenty for this build.

The memory and motherboard should also be great.

Vertex 4 is easily the best SSD brand available for desktops.

There's not much else to say about it :) 


Ok I had a couple questions about the GPU and PSU. So if dollar for dollar the 7950 can OC and give higher performance then any given GTX 670 what about the 7970? Wouldn't it put me in even better shape performance wise as well as OC ability? Also if I decided to spend more and get a 7970 what would be the equivalent in Nvidia a GTX 680? which is oh $50-$100 more then the 7970. Is the difference in the 7950 and 670 mainly price point and OC ability and is that the same between the 7950 and the 7970 because when I look at different gaming benchmarks I see the 670 and 7970 near the top. Do you have some links to show the benchmarks of the 7950 OC'ed and comapred to the other cards? I'm really curious about this now >_<

I don't plan on using an optical drive, download most of my games and or use a USB thumb drive to install OS.
With coolers Is there a huge difference between lets say Corsair H60 and Coolermaster 212 Evo Air cooler?? Aside from price.
I appreciate the recommendations and want to know if I'm on the right track with this build:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/i6WQ

as you can tell I kind of like corsair :D  but am willing to take suggestions into consideration. Please let me know if there is anything I can tweak with cost / performance. I have a storage server so I don't think I need anything bigger then 120 SSD and if I do I can easily throw in a 1TB drive for less then $100 bucks right?
September 21, 2012 5:58:19 PM

Apropo said:
Ok I had a couple questions about the GPU and PSU. So if dollar for dollar the 7950 can OC and give higher performance then any given GTX 670 what about the 7970? Wouldn't it put me in even better shape performance wise as well as OC ability? Also if I decided to spend more and get a 7970 what would be the equivalent in Nvidia a GTX 680? which is oh $50-$100 more then the 7970. Is the difference in the 7950 and 670 mainly price point and OC ability and is that the same between the 7950 and the 7970 because when I look at different gaming benchmarks I see the 670 and 7970 near the top. Do you have some links to show the benchmarks of the 7950 OC'ed and comapred to the other cards? I'm really curious about this now >_<

I don't plan on using an optical drive, download most of my games and or use a USB thumb drive to install OS.
With coolers Is there a huge difference between lets say Corsair H60 and Coolermaster 212 Evo Air cooler?? Aside from price.
I appreciate the recommendations and want to know if I'm on the right track with this build:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/i6WQ

as you can tell I kind of like corsair :D  but am willing to take suggestions into consideration. Please let me know if there is anything I can tweak with cost / performance. I have a storage server so I don't think I need anything bigger then 120 SSD and if I do I can easily throw in a 1TB drive for less then $100 bucks right?


The Evo won't compete with the H60, but there are better air coolers than the H60 that are also cheaper than it. High end air cooling meets or beats more expensive water cooling unless you build a good custom loop and those are usually pretty expensive.

The 7970 doesn't really beat the 7950s with the same cooler in overclocking. A 7950 has similar headroom to a 7970 that has the same cooler and some 7950s even have 7970 PCBs, so it's not really any better for overclockers to buy 7970s unless you go for a discounted 7970 GHz Edition that has better binning and can beat the 7950s even with the same coolers.

If you don't want an optical drive, then that can be removed from the build.

Corsair memory is excellent too and that kit is priced well enough to be recommended.

The PSU is more expensive than I'd recommend, but it's not bad, it's just a little overpriced. Corsair is a good brand for most components; I just don't recommend closed loop water coolers in general.

I don't doubt that the Corsair SSD is good, but it's not the best. However, it is priced well.
September 21, 2012 6:02:24 PM

Did you mean 7970, Blaze?

$100 more for the 7970 ghz ed
September 21, 2012 6:05:24 PM

Apropo said:
such as this Gigabyte ghz ed??:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-video-card-gvr797...


That is a very good example. The 7970 Windforce won't really beat the 7950 Windforce in overclocking, but the 7970 GHz Edition Windforce will beat the 7950 WindForce enough in overclocking performance to be worth the price hike.
September 21, 2012 6:08:31 PM

Surgeking said:
Did you mean 7970, Blaze?

$100 more for the 7970 ghz ed


Basically, 7950s and 7970s that have the same cooler generally have nearly identical headroom for overclocking. 7970 GHz Editions have better-binned parts than both the 7950s and the 7970s generally by enough of a degree to get a considerably higher overclock, even with the same cooler.

This is because the 7970's minor hardware advantage is offset by the 7950's power consumption advantage whereas the 7970 GHz Edition has a real advantage in headroom.
September 21, 2012 6:15:22 PM

Ok so if I can afford the price jump to the Ghz ED it's worth it? That being said, and I feel like I'm being annoying asking this, is there a comparible Nvidia Card or would I have to go all the way up to the GTX 680 to compete with the 7970 Ghz ED Gigabyte card? >_< Thanks for hanging with me in this thread even though I might sound like a complete noob :p 
September 21, 2012 6:18:59 PM

Apropo said:
Ok so if I can afford the price jump to the Ghz ED it's worth it? That being said, and I feel like I'm being annoying asking this, is there a comparible Nvidia Card or would I have to go all the way up to the GTX 680 to compete with the 7970 Ghz ED Gigabyte card? >_< Thanks for hanging with me in this thread even though I might sound like a complete noob :p 


GTX 670 is really as good as it gets for the money from Nvidia. The 680 is maybe 3-8% faster, best case scenario. Nothing from Nvidia can quite catch the 7970 GHz Edition unless you go for an SLI setup that is bound to be more expensive, except maybe.. Just maybe... A GTX 660 SLI setup. Still, it'd be complex and each card would only have a 192 memory bus. It could be more problematic than it's worth :( 

Well, unless you hate AA and tessellation, that is. Some games, without them, might let the 680 or 670 catch the 7970 GHz Edition, but that'd hurt graphics quality.

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September 21, 2012 6:20:44 PM
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This XFX psu down below is manufactured by Seasonic as are all XFX psu's.

http://www.amazon.com/XFX-PRO750W-Semi-Modular-80Plus-S... $111.71 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping | Price after rebate: $101.71
XFX PRO750W XXX Edition Semi-Modular 80Plus 750 Watt Power Supply (Silver)

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Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K
Cooler Master TPC 812 RR-T812-24PK-R1 120mm Sleeve with Dual Vertical Vapor Chamber TPC 812 CPU Cooler Compatible with latest Intel 2011/1366/1155 and AMD FM1/AM3+

http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=265... <----- review of that CM cpu h/s @ Frosty Tech

http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm <----- that same CM cpu h/s on Frosty Tech's Top 5 list


http://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-2-5-Inch-Internal-MZ-7PC2... $192.75 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
SAMSUNG 830 Series 2.5-Inch 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-7PC256B/WW

http://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-WINDFORCE-PCI-Express-Gr... $399.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping | Price after rebate: $379.99
GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 670 WINDFORCE 2X OC Edition 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express 3.0 2x DVI/HDMI/DP SLI Ready Graphics Card GV-N670WF2-2GD

http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Cache-Desktop-Dri... $85.61 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Western Digital 1 TB WD Blue SATA III 7200 RPM 64 MB Cache Bulk/OEM Desktop Hard Drive

http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Premium-64bit-System-Buil... $90.63 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64bit (Full) System Builder DVD 1 Pack

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $187.98 save: $8.00 FREE SHIPPING
GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD3H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Crucial Ballistix sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model BLS2KIT4G3D1609DS1S00
September 21, 2012 6:36:26 PM

Wait for parts to go on sale, do your research and check out slickdeals.com and techbargains. I just finished mine yesterday after about a month of building, researching, buying etc. I spent 1025$.

Specs:
i7 2600k
Corsair Vengeance 16GB 1600mhz Ram
Corsair H60 Cooling System + Corsair Sp120 static pressure fans x2
Coolermaster Haf XM Case + Window Panel
Western Digital Black Caviar 1TB
Coolermaster Silent Pro Gold 800w PSU
Asus DVDRW+
Asrock P67 Extreme 4 Gen 3 Motherboard
XFX Radeon HD 6950 2GB x2 Xfire
Arctic Silver Thermal 5 Compound
200mm x3 Megaflow Fans





As far as AMD vs Nvidia goes, I have had both within the past year and have experienced others, I would say single card wise AMD is the more bang for buck, the driver issues are really not that bad. In terms of xfire vs nvidia, xfire again has the better value, they generally tend to be less power hungry, they scale better, but Nvidia has better drivers yet again. One of the major complaints about xfire were the driver issues, but honestly it's not that bad. Unless you are playing games that are not multi gpu supported you probably just need to tweak a game profile before you get a decent frame rate.

Heres my mark score, no I didn't optimize it or anything or OC, this is straight up stock performance.


The HD 6950 goes for like 250 on newegg, but I got it on sale for 207$ + a 30$ rebate + BF3 and Deusex which I sold the games for and in the end got each card for about 130$.

Below is my GTX 560 SLI mark score with a 5% OC, built that rig about 7 months ago or so



spent 180$ each card.
September 21, 2012 6:36:34 PM

Why_Me said:
This XFX psu down below is manufactured by Seasonic as are all XFX psu's.

http://www.amazon.com/XFX-PRO750W-Semi-Modular-80Plus-S... $111.71 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping | Price after rebate: $101.71
XFX PRO750W XXX Edition Semi-Modular 80Plus 750 Watt Power Supply (Silver)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $279.98 save: $18.00 FREE SHIPPING
Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K
Cooler Master TPC 812 RR-T812-24PK-R1 120mm Sleeve with Dual Vertical Vapor Chamber TPC 812 CPU Cooler Compatible with latest Intel 2011/1366/1155 and AMD FM1/AM3+

http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=265... <----- review of that CM cpu h/s @ Frosty Tech

http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm <----- that same CM cpu h/s on Frosty Tech's Top 5 list


http://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-2-5-Inch-Internal-MZ-7PC2... $192.75 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
SAMSUNG 830 Series 2.5-Inch 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-7PC256B/WW

http://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-WINDFORCE-PCI-Express-Gr... $399.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping | Price after rebate: $379.99
GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 670 WINDFORCE 2X OC Edition 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express 3.0 2x DVI/HDMI/DP SLI Ready Graphics Card GV-N670WF2-2GD

http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Cache-Desktop-Dri... $85.61 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Western Digital 1 TB WD Blue SATA III 7200 RPM 64 MB Cache Bulk/OEM Desktop Hard Drive

http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Premium-64bit-System-Buil... $90.63 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64bit (Full) System Builder DVD 1 Pack


The PSU is more expensive than I'd go for, but that doesn't detract from how good it is.

I'm not very familiar with that CPU cooler, but it looks to be a prime competitor, so again, not major complaints there.

The Samsung 830 is easily one of the best SSDs, but the Vertex 4 edges it out in both performance and price with comparable reliability, so I can't recommend it over the Vertex 4s at the same capacity.

If OP wants to go for Nvidia, then that is probably the best option, but the cheaper 7950 with a WindForce cooler has comparable overclocking performance (better with good AA and tessellation, two important things to consider at 1080p with these powerful cards) and the 7970 GHz Edition with a WindForce cooler is a superior card at a similar price, so I really can't recommend this card unless OP really wants to go Nvidia.

I have no complaints at all with that hard drive choice. If OP wants more than a 500GB model like what I recommended, then that is the 1TB model that I'd recommend.

That motherboard is more expensive than I'd recommend, but if one was to spend that much on a board, that'd be the board to get.
September 21, 2012 6:43:38 PM

blazorthon said:
The PSU is more expensive than I'd go for, but that doesn't detract from how good it is.

I'm not very familiar with that CPU cooler, but it looks to be a prime competitor, so again, not major complaints there.

The Samsung 830 is easily one of the best SSDs, but the Vertex 4 edges it out in both performance and price with comparable reliability, so I can't recommend it over the Vertex 4s at the same capacity.

If OP wants to go for Nvidia, then that is probably the best option, but the cheaper 7950 with a WindForce cooler has comparable overclocking performance (better with good AA and tessellation, two important things to consider at 1080p with these powerful cards) and the 7970 GHz Edition with a WindForce cooler is a superior card at a similar price, so I really can't recommend this card unless OP really wants to go Nvidia.

I have no complaints at all with that hard drive choice. If OP wants more than a 500GB model like what I recommended, then that is the 1TB model that I'd recommend.

That motherboard is more expensive than I'd recommend, but if one was to spend that much on a board, that'd be the board to get.

That psu is cheap for a modular 750w although if the OP doesn't want the SLI option I would drop down to a cheaper board and a 520w - 550w psu.

As far as the SSD goes, I would rot in h*ll before I would ever recommend an OCZ SSD or OCZ anything else other than maybe their ZT series psu's. OCZ is a dirty rotten filthy company that has went out of their way to hose customers with their gimmick crap products and their bs rebates that they rarely honor. If OCZ was nuked tomorrow the world would be that much better off.
September 21, 2012 6:50:11 PM

Why_Me said:
That psu is cheap for a modular 750w although if the OP doesn't want the SLI option I would drop down to a cheaper board and a 520w - 550w psu.

As far as the SSD goes, I would rot in h*ll before I would ever recommend an OCZ SSD or OCZ anything else other than maybe their ZT series psu's. OCZ is a dirty rotten filthy company that has went out of their way to hose customers with their gimmick crap products and their bs rebates that they rarely honor. If OCZ was nuked tomorrow the world would be that much better off.


Vertex 4 is pretty much the best primarily because it uses an excellent Marvell controller instead of OCZ's crappy SandForce implementation and OCZ actually managed to make it even better with some goof firmware rather than screw it up. They also have excellent customer support for Vertex 4 unlike their previous models. Otherwise, I agree on your view of the company.

EDIT: You'er right about the PSU; I missed that it was modular.
September 21, 2012 6:56:18 PM

Why_Me said:
This XFX psu down below is manufactured by Seasonic as are all XFX psu's.

http://www.amazon.com/XFX-PRO750W-Semi-Modular-80Plus-S... $111.71 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping | Price after rebate: $101.71
XFX PRO750W XXX Edition Semi-Modular 80Plus 750 Watt Power Supply (Silver)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $279.98 save: $18.00 FREE SHIPPING
Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K
Cooler Master TPC 812 RR-T812-24PK-R1 120mm Sleeve with Dual Vertical Vapor Chamber TPC 812 CPU Cooler Compatible with latest Intel 2011/1366/1155 and AMD FM1/AM3+

http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=265... <----- review of that CM cpu h/s @ Frosty Tech

http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm <----- that same CM cpu h/s on Frosty Tech's Top 5 list


http://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-2-5-Inch-Internal-MZ-7PC2... $192.75 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
SAMSUNG 830 Series 2.5-Inch 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-7PC256B/WW

http://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-WINDFORCE-PCI-Express-Gr... $399.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping | Price after rebate: $379.99
GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 670 WINDFORCE 2X OC Edition 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express 3.0 2x DVI/HDMI/DP SLI Ready Graphics Card GV-N670WF2-2GD

http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Cache-Desktop-Dri... $85.61 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Western Digital 1 TB WD Blue SATA III 7200 RPM 64 MB Cache Bulk/OEM Desktop Hard Drive

http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Premium-64bit-System-Buil... $90.63 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64bit (Full) System Builder DVD 1 Pack

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $187.98 save: $8.00 FREE SHIPPING
GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD3H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Crucial Ballistix sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model BLS2KIT4G3D1609DS1S00


Thanks for the suggestion!! Now would there be any significant reason I'd go with the GTX 670 you are suggesting over the Gigabyte 7970 Ghz ED that I linked earlier? http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-video-card-gvr797...
I keep running back and forth in my mind if I want to SLI / Crossfire in the future and I like the idea of the XFX sicne its pretty much a seasonic and its modular.

Thank you for supplying links about cooling options I like to read up as much as I can. Any links you can offer for GPU comparison in my situation?


@abablitz
Looks like you have a decent setup there thanks for sharing. Is there a reason you didn't go with IB and or Z77 system and went with an older system? Though I guess if the price is right I don't see anyone complaining including myself :p  but if I could spend a few dollars more for the newer tech I might be inclined to do that over older tech.
September 21, 2012 6:59:53 PM

Apropo said:
Thanks for the suggestion!! Now would there be any significant reason I'd go with the GTX 670 you are suggesting over the Gigabyte 7970 Ghz ED that I linked earlier?
I keep running back and forth in my mind if I want to SLI / Crossfire in the future and I like the idea of the XFX sicne its pretty much a seasonic and its modular.

Thank you for supplying links about cooling options I like to read up as much as I can. Any links you can offer for GPU comparison in my situation?


@abablitz
Looks like you have a decent setup there thanks for sharing. Is there a reason you didn't go with IB and or Z77 system and went with an older system? Though I guess if the price is right I don't see anyone complaining including myself :p  but if I could spend a few dollars more for the newer tech I might be inclined to do that over older tech.


Graphics comparisons can have wildly different results depending on the settings that you play at. For example, AMD has no trouble with 8x MSAA*, but Nvidia can struggle with 4x MSAA*, so any comparison involving these two settings can paint Nvidia in a poor light. Any comparisons with heavy tessellation* can do the same, but generally to a lesser extent. Any comparison with both generally does not go well at all for Nvidia*. Comparisons with light AA and tessellation or no AA or tessellation can have the opposite effect, although the 7970 GHz Edition's high overclocking headroom generally let it stay ahead even in such situations, just not to as great of an extent.

* Going by Radeon 7xxx against GTX 6xx. Different generations with different GPUs and such can have different results.
September 21, 2012 7:00:25 PM

This build allows you to add a second card later in SLI. There isn't any reviews on that board down below for the fact it was just released less than a week ago. Just add a case to this build.


http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-80PLUS-Certified-Modular-... $86.00 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Corsair CX 750 Watts 80PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V/EPS12V Power Supply CP-9020015-NA

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $336.98 save: $13.00
Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K
ASRock Z77 Extreme3 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005O65JXI/ref=ox_sc_a... $33.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler with 120mm PWM Fan (RR-212E-20PK-R2)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $38.99 FREE SHIPPING
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Profile Desktop Memory Model CML8GX3M2A1600C9

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SH-222BB-BEBE-Internal-So... $16.99 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25
Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE 22X SATA DVDRW Internal Drive (Black), Bulk without Software

http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-2-5-Inch-Solid-SD... $185.88 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
SanDisk Extreme SSD 240 GB SATA 6.0 Gb-s 2.5-Inch Solid State Drive SDSSDX-240G-G25

http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Cache-Desktop-Dri... $85.61 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Western Digital 1 TB WD Blue SATA III 7200 RPM 64 MB Cache Bulk/OEM Desktop Hard Drive

http://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-WINDFORCE-PCI-Express-Gr... $399.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping | Price after rebate: $379.99
GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 670 WINDFORCE 2X OC Edition 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express 3.0 2x DVI/HDMI/DP SLI Ready Graphics Card GV-N670WF2-2GD

http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Premium-64bit-System-Buil... $90.63 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64bit (Full) System Builder DVD 1 Pack

Total $1,228.44 *not including shipping & rebates


http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z77%20Extreme3/ <----- another look at that board
September 21, 2012 7:01:52 PM

The current Ivy's are the tick, you have to wait for the tocks. From what I hear, they have decent temperatures and OC ability up to 4.5, but stray off at higher frequencies. They cannot OC as efficiently as a sandy as of this time, and run hotter. However, I would imagine that to change on the tock version of the Ivy's.

As far as old tech vs new tech, honestly hardware is evolving at a much faster rate than software, "old tech" is a gimmick, a flag ship from the 3 eras ago can still run BF3 on moderate FPS.

In terms of how I choose my components, I have criteria:

It has to be color coordinated
It has to be priced right
It has to be well reviewed and be future proof
It has to have at least 68-75% ratings on new egg (although obviously it's not an approximate statement for the quality of a product, it still gives a great ballpark, wisdom in numbers).

I also got the Asrock p67 on sale for 85$, which greatly swayed my decision as opposed to the Asus sabertooth I was originally looking into. Obviously I'm not a professional builder or anything, but I just use the above as a rule of thumb, it gives favorable results.
September 21, 2012 8:14:13 PM

Why_Me said:
This build allows you to add a second card later in SLI. There isn't any reviews on that board down below for the fact it was just released less than a week ago. Just add a case to this build.


http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-80PLUS-Certified-Modular-... $86.00 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Corsair CX 750 Watts 80PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V/EPS12V Power Supply CP-9020015-NA

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $336.98 save: $13.00
Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K
ASRock Z77 Extreme3 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005O65JXI/ref=ox_sc_a... $33.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler with 120mm PWM Fan (RR-212E-20PK-R2)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $38.99 FREE SHIPPING
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Profile Desktop Memory Model CML8GX3M2A1600C9

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SH-222BB-BEBE-Internal-So... $16.99 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25
Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE 22X SATA DVDRW Internal Drive (Black), Bulk without Software

http://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-2-5-Inch-Internal-MZ-7PC2... $192.75 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
SAMSUNG 830 Series 2.5-Inch 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-7PC256B/WW

http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Cache-Desktop-Dri... $85.61 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Western Digital 1 TB WD Blue SATA III 7200 RPM 64 MB Cache Bulk/OEM Desktop Hard Drive

http://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-WINDFORCE-PCI-Express-Gr... $399.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping | Price after rebate: $379.99
GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 670 WINDFORCE 2X OC Edition 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express 3.0 2x DVI/HDMI/DP SLI Ready Graphics Card GV-N670WF2-2GD

http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Premium-64bit-System-Buil... $90.63 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64bit (Full) System Builder DVD 1 Pack

Total $1,235.31 *not including shipping & rebates


http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z77%20Extreme3/ <----- another look at that board


I really like the looks of this build the only thing that concerns me is if this is the same size motherboard as the Extreme 4 which isn't a full motherboard and doesn't line up with full ATX stand offs causing it to have flexing on the edges.
Aside from that if there isn't known issues with Asrock I'm totally inclined to go with them as they are cheaper then the Asus boards by quite a bit.
With an OS I figured if its possible I'd still use Windows 8 until January then if I don't like it down/ upgrade back to Windows 7? So unless I don't need it right now I will save the cost of an OS and put it into something else. Otherwise great build thank you for the links.
September 21, 2012 8:16:36 PM

Apropo said:
I really like the looks of this build the only thing that concerns me is if this is the same size motherboard as the Extreme 4 which isn't a full motherboard and doesn't line up with full ATX stand offs causing it to have flexing on the edges.
Aside from that if there isn't known issues with Asrock I'm totally inclined to go with them as they are cheaper then the Asus boards by quite a bit.
With an OS I figured if its possible I'd still use Windows 8 until January then if I don't like it down/ upgrade back to Windows 7? So unless I don't need it right now I will save the cost of an OS and put it into something else. Otherwise great build thank you for the links.


I just use free eval copies of Windows that MS offers as free, legal downloads once my previews/betas expire ;)  Also, what issues are you talking about with ASRock?
September 21, 2012 8:33:57 PM

blazorthon said:
I just use free eval copies of Windows that MS offers as free, legal downloads once my previews/betas expire ;)  Also, what issues are you talking about with ASRock?



the issue being that the board does not line up to the ATX stand offs because its not a full size ATX board.
If that isn't a real issue, because I can't take reviews on Newegg seriously. Most are herp derps.

I guess if I support the board while installing things it wont be an issue. Will the Asrock board be capable of supporting sufficient OC for CPU and GPU?

with the OS I'm currently enjoying Win 8 the only thing I really hate is that it doesn't support DVD play back. Though with the rig I'm building I don't plan on using a Optical drive. Though I heard Win 7 gives good performance for gaming. Don't most colleges offer student discount on Windows OS? I might look into that as well.
September 21, 2012 8:49:30 PM

Apropo said:
the issue being that the board does not line up to the ATX stand offs because its not a full size ATX board.
If that isn't a real issue, because I can't take reviews on Newegg seriously. Most are herp derps.

I guess if I support the board while installing things it wont be an issue. Will the Asrock board be capable of supporting sufficient OC for CPU and GPU?

with the OS I'm currently enjoying Win 8 the only thing I really hate is that it doesn't support DVD play back. Though with the rig I'm building I don't plan on using a Optical drive. Though I heard Win 7 gives good performance for gaming. Don't most colleges offer student discount on Windows OS? I might look into that as well.


The ASRock board that I recommended should be fine, although if you want, I could look for a different board to recommend.

For DVD playback in Windows 8, you simply download VLC or a similar program. It's just Windows Media Player that doesn't support it anymore, not the entire OS. Yes, many colleges have student discounts on Windows.
September 21, 2012 8:56:38 PM

blazorthon said:
The ASRock board that I recommended should be fine, although if you want, I could look for a different board to recommend.

For DVD playback in Windows 8, you simply download VLC or a similar program. It's just Windows Media Player that doesn't support it anymore, not the entire OS. Yes, many colleges have student discounts on Windows.

Yes the board you recommended is full sized, I was more inquiring as to the Extreme 3 board that Why_Me suggested. The only issue I have with the Fat1lity board or what ever is my friend had one and that dudes face appeared every time he loaded his computer.... Eh.. noty aside from that I have no issues if its a great board. Unless you can recommend a different one possibly higher quality?
September 21, 2012 8:58:59 PM

Apropo said:
Yes the board you recommended is full sized, I was more inquiring as to the Extreme 3 board that Why_Me suggested. The only issue I have with the Fat1lity board or what ever is my friend had one and that dudes face appeared every time he loaded his computer.... Eh.. noty aside from that I have no issues if its a great board. Unless you can recommend a different one possibly higher quality?


Nothing comes to mind when you say higher quality except for more expensive models such as the Z77 Gigabyte UDH5 and Asus Formula boards, although I might be missing something.
September 21, 2012 9:14:26 PM

Apropo said:
I really like the looks of this build the only thing that concerns me is if this is the same size motherboard as the Extreme 4 which isn't a full motherboard and doesn't line up with full ATX stand offs causing it to have flexing on the edges.
Aside from that if there isn't known issues with Asrock I'm totally inclined to go with them as they are cheaper then the Asus boards by quite a bit.
With an OS I figured if its possible I'd still use Windows 8 until January then if I don't like it down/ upgrade back to Windows 7? So unless I don't need it right now I will save the cost of an OS and put it into something else. Otherwise great build thank you for the links.

I like Why_me's build. My first thought was, what's that mobo, but I see it's a new one. I still don't know what was wrong, numerous posts back, with Asus. Yes, they're a bit on the pricey side, but you can't argue with the quality, and back-up. Plus they're really user-friendly. It's just a question of picking one of numerous offerings tha best suits your needs. You can go round and round in circles, trying to find a cheap board, that's good. If you're struggling, with budget, ok.
September 21, 2012 9:23:25 PM

Ya I feel like I'm going around in circles chasing my tail "If I get this board I save but is the quality equal to that board or even the other board.... " Its nearly driving me insane which is why I came here for help >_<
I'm nearly more confused then when I started lol Though I feel I'm heading in the right direction now with all the help given here.
I'm currently reading up on the suggestions given by everyone and evaluating each piece.

Also a huge factor will be how easy the motherboard is to OC such as the UEFI and such. I really want stability and reliability, though I have to say I'm bias to Asus only because I know the name. I've only recently been researching this and have never heard of Asrock before this year as a contender with the big names.

Any links on building tips, OC tips and the such would be greatly appreciated. Once I've done some more further research on the parts suggested I'll come back and give best answer or further discuss options.
September 21, 2012 9:31:59 PM

abablitz said:
The current Ivy's are the tick, you have to wait for the tocks. From what I hear, they have decent temperatures and OC ability up to 4.5, but stray off at higher frequencies. They cannot OC as efficiently as a sandy as of this time, and run hotter. However, I would imagine that to change on the tock version of the Ivy's.

As far as old tech vs new tech, honestly hardware is evolving at a much faster rate than software, "old tech" is a gimmick, a flag ship from the 3 eras ago can still run BF3 on moderate FPS.

In terms of how I choose my components, I have criteria:

It has to be color coordinated
It has to be priced right
It has to be well reviewed and be future proof
It has to have at least 68-75% ratings on new egg (although obviously it's not an approximate statement for the quality of a product, it still gives a great ballpark, wisdom in numbers).

I also got the Asrock p67 on sale for 85$, which greatly swayed my decision as opposed to the Asus sabertooth I was originally looking into. Obviously I'm not a professional builder or anything, but I just use the above as a rule of thumb, it gives favorable results.


Oh my gad I just noticed you got the Coolermaster HAF XM with a side window!!!! where, and how much with the side window? The lack of a window was the only reason I didn't even consider that case. Aside from that I really liked it.
September 21, 2012 9:40:08 PM

Apropo said:
Ya I feel like I'm going around in circles chasing my tail "If I get this board I save but is the quality equal to that board or even the other board.... " Its nearly driving me insane which is why I came here for help >_<
I'm nearly more confused then when I started lol Though I feel I'm heading in the right direction now with all the help given here.
I'm currently reading up on the suggestions given by everyone and evaluating each piece.

Also a huge factor will be how easy the motherboard is to OC such as the UEFI and such. I really want stability and reliability, though I have to say I'm bias to Asus only because I know the name. I've only recently been researching this and have never heard of Asrock before this year as a contender with the big names.

Any links on building tips, OC tips and the such would be greatly appreciated. Once I've done some more further research on the parts suggested I'll come back and give best answer or further discuss options.

If you want easy, and are prepared to spend a little for that, and sheer quality, go Asus. End of story. There are so many tiny differences between motherboards, it's easy to overcomplicate things. It's not rocket science (quite) lol.
September 21, 2012 10:23:18 PM

Apropo said:
I really like the looks of this build the only thing that concerns me is if this is the same size motherboard as the Extreme 4 which isn't a full motherboard and doesn't line up with full ATX stand offs causing it to have flexing on the edges.
Aside from that if there isn't known issues with Asrock I'm totally inclined to go with them as they are cheaper then the Asus boards by quite a bit.
With an OS I figured if its possible I'd still use Windows 8 until January then if I don't like it down/ upgrade back to Windows 7? So unless I don't need it right now I will save the cost of an OS and put it into something else. Otherwise great build thank you for the links.

There's five boards that I know of that support SLI (dual cards @ x8 & x8) that are a hair thinner and a hair shorter than your standard size ATX boards. That would be these boards down below. btw your going start seeing case manufactures making an extra set of standoffs seeing how these boards down below (size wise) are quite possibly the new standard.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-D3H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
ASUS P8Z77-V LK LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MSI Z77A-G43 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
ASRock Z77 Extreme3 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard


Now if a person doesn't plan on using their build as a soccer ball along with a 5lb cpu h/s then any of those boards up above will be fine as sunshine. The difference between the Asrock extreme3 and extreme4 is that the extreme3 uses an 8+3 power phase configuration and has two SATA 6G/b ports. The extreme4 uses a 8+4 power phase configuration, has four SATA 6G//b ports and it has that shiny piece of metal decor over the south bridge.

Your basic user is only going to need two SATA 6G/b ports...one for the SSD and one for the storage drive. A user that wants multiple hard drives (more than 2) is going to want a board that has more than two SATA 6B/b ports. That Asus board up there only has two of those ports also. No idea about those Gigabyte and MSI boards I posted.
September 21, 2012 10:31:38 PM

Why_Me said:
There's five boards that I know of that support SLI (dual cards @ x8 & x8) that are a hair thinner and a hair shorter than your standard size ATX boards. That would be these boards down below. btw your going start seeing case manufactures making an extra set of standoffs seeing how these boards down below (size wise) are quite possibly the new standard.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-D3H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
ASUS P8Z77-V LK LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MSI Z77A-G43 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
ASRock Z77 Extreme3 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard


Now if a person doesn't plan on using their build as a soccer ball along with a 5lb cpu h/s then any of those boards up above will be fine as sunshine. The difference between the Asrock extreme3 and extreme4 is that the extreme3 uses an 8+3 power phase configuration and has two SATA 6G/b ports. The extreme4 uses a 8+4 power phase configuration, has four SATA 6G//b ports and it has that shiny piece of metal decor over the south bridge.

Your basic user is only going to need two SATA 6G/b ports...one for the SSD and one for the storage drive. A user that wants multiple hard drives (more than 2) is going to want a board that has more than two SATA 6B/b ports. That Asus board up there only has two of those ports also. No idea about those Gigabyte and MSI boards I posted.


I can't tell you how much I appreciate not only your suggestions but the way you present the information. Thank you very much!!! appreciate the patients with helping me.

I don't plan on having more then 1 SDD and maybe later an extra HDD for more storage. So looks as if the Extreme 3 is a good choice for me.
September 22, 2012 2:17:01 PM

The HAF XM is an excellent case, it's much bigger than your standard mid tower, I would compare it in size to the NZXT Phantom Fulltower in terms of size, but much wider and easier to work with by far. I know because all my roommates either have a HAF XM or a NZXT Phantom.

Pros:
Space, extra bevel on the side panel to enable more room for cables
Layout, this system was built for air flow, HAF = High Air Flow
All the front panel I/O wires are black, including the fan wires
The PSU Box for easily hiding cable clutter
The Hot Swap Bays
The little area on top of the I/O for placing phones etc, very useful
All tool free installation
USB 3.0 built into the front I/O
I also like how the power button has this red glow surrounding it
200mm x2 + 140mm exhaust fans included with the case

The HAF XM window can be purchased directly via coolermaster store, it is so new that it's not available anywhere else.

You just missed the deal, HAF XM was on sale for 99$ free shipping no tax on newegg like a week ago. I bought mine for 130$ + 20$ for the side panel.

I might also recommend you the Corsair 600t Graphite series, the gunemetal or white is delicious. It looks terrible for water cooling set ups though.
September 22, 2012 5:16:15 PM

Ok first off thank you all I had a lot of reading to do once you all gave me your recommendations.
I have a desire to keep branding similar, I don't know why I just like the idea of sticking to one name brand as much as possible.
I took idea's from everyones suggestions and come up with this build:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ichx
I'm trying to keep the cost around $1200 with mostly Corsair pieces, Window Case and would really like to fit a Corsair H100 and 2x Corsair Dominator 4gb 1600 ram. I can't justify the cost for the H100 or the Dominator ram even though it'd look really nice, unless I can find a really good deal on them.

As this build looks right now, are there any further suggestions or idea's? I'm not to sure on the PSU because if I get the Ghz 7970 or even the GTX 670 I most likely will never SLI / Crossfire. I really do want a modular or semi modular powersupply though.
September 22, 2012 5:28:20 PM

I would personally opt for an MSI Twin Frozr Architecture, MSI>Gigabyte imo.

Invest more on your PSU and go for a Corsair HX 850 semi modular gold, I have had it, and it is easily one of the best PSUs out in the market at a good price. However, if you plan on sticking to only a single GPU configuration, you can go lower to like 650 HX. Either way, an 850 would make things more future proof in case you decide to get a dual gpu set up in the future, I would imagine they will become more efficient as time passes.

Overall Corsair is a great brand, their branding and packaging and the quality of their products is superb. If you are going for the H60 you will need a push pull configuration to bring out the most from it. I chose
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
They are alright, better than stock, less noisy, static pressure great for pushing air through a radiator. Newegg just had a deal on them last week for 19.99$, so I jumped on that.

Also you won't need thermal paste, because the H60 comes with it pre applied.
September 22, 2012 5:31:35 PM

The air cooler that was recommended above is probably better thn an H60 even with those fans. Although going for a better PSU shouldn't hurt in this case, it's unlikely that it'll help too much. Even a 750W can handle two 670s or two 7950s, although maybe it'll be worth the extra money for better future-proofing.
September 22, 2012 5:34:41 PM

so if I replaced the corsair PSU with the XFX 750W PSU that Why_Me recommended it'd be good to go and keep me from having to upgrade the PSU later if I decided to do SLI / Crossfire?

Btw the H60 or H100 would be more or less for the look cause it IMO is just smexy as heck!!!
September 22, 2012 5:40:35 PM

I agree the H60 will not get you water cooled temps, but it still gives better performance than the Hyper 212 standard, although I cannot say it justifies the price hike. I purchased it solely for aesthetics, and it matched my set up.
September 22, 2012 5:41:51 PM

Apropo said:
so if I replaced the corsair PSU with the XFX 750W PSU that Why_Me recommended it'd be good to go and keep me from having to upgrade the PSU later if I decided to do SLI / Crossfire?


A PSU with around 50-70 or so amps on the 12V rails should be plenty for two 7950s or two 670s. If you want a Corsair PSU, then the one that Why_Me suggested is a good option:
http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-80PLUS-Certified-Modular-...
September 22, 2012 5:42:28 PM

abablitz said:
I agree the H60 will not get you water cooled temps, but it still gives better performance than the Hyper 212 standard, although I cannot say it justifies the price hike. I purchased it solely for aesthetics, and it matched my set up.


My desire for the H60 / H100 is for aesthetics with a corsair system I think it looks just awesome. Your system just emphasized that with me.
September 22, 2012 6:12:15 PM

I honestly think you can do a lot better with your budget. Wait a month and collect parts as they go on sale. If you want a system that will last you, and if you can wait 8 years for a new build, 1 month won't kill you. Invest for the future.

http://pcpartpicker.com/b/xW5
^ says retail, but I got mine at 1050$ after a month of patience.

Also do you have a primary HD? A 120GB SSD most likely will not be enough. If getting an SSD is an absolute must, than I would have gotten a 120 GB kingston hyper x for 60 (was on sale 2 days ago) + a 500 gb black caviar as a secondary. 120gb as a capacity is really small, I helped a friend build on his 120 gb ssd, and that thing filled up near full, just after finishing installing drivers, and a few games, if you plan on storing movies on your PC, I suggest a larger HD.

I honestly think an SSD as of this time is a luxury that should only be sought after your core components are of quality. I believe it is not in your best interest to purchase a high priced, low capacity SSD, and settle for a mediocre PSU. I think for your case, a 1TB black caviar with a HX 750, would be the better choice.

The HX 750 will be about 135$, it is a better quality PSU and more future proof than the XFX.
The 1TB Black Caviar is 91$ at meritline
The speed of a black caviar is perfect for your needs, sure it won't give you a 15 second boot time, but it can still go under 50 seconds. Plus, if you plan on using your build for movies, storing movies would be a logical possibility, and high quality movies tend to go for 3-6gb in file size.

The money you save from not buying that SSD can be applied to getting a better psu. Keep in mind that the PSU is the *** that is powering all your components, you want something of quality.

PROS:
Larger Capacity
Better PSU
Same cost essentially give or take a few dollars

Anyone feel free to correct me, I haven't slept in the past 24 hours so my reasoning might be off.
September 22, 2012 7:23:40 PM

abablitz said:
I honestly think you can do a lot better with your budget. Wait a month and collect parts as they go on sale. If you want a system that will last you, and if you can wait 8 years for a new build, 1 month won't kill you. Invest for the future.

http://pcpartpicker.com/b/xW5
^ says retail, but I got mine at 1050$ after a month of patience.

Also do you have a primary HD? A 120GB SSD most likely will not be enough. If getting an SSD is an absolute must, than I would have gotten a 120 GB kingston hyper x for 60 (was on sale 2 days ago) + a 500 gb black caviar as a secondary. 120gb as a capacity is really small, I helped a friend build on his 120 gb ssd, and that thing filled up near full, just after finishing installing drivers, and a few games, if you plan on storing movies on your PC, I suggest a larger HD.

I honestly think an SSD as of this time is a luxury that should only be sought after your core components are of quality. I believe it is not in your best interest to purchase a high priced, low capacity SSD, and settle for a mediocre PSU. I think for your case, a 1TB black caviar with a HX 750, would be the better choice.

The HX 750 will be about 135$, it is a better quality PSU and more future proof than the XFX.
The 1TB Black Caviar is 91$ at meritline
The speed of a black caviar is perfect for your needs, sure it won't give you a 15 second boot time, but it can still go under 50 seconds. Plus, if you plan on using your build for movies, storing movies would be a logical possibility, and high quality movies tend to go for 3-6gb in file size.

The money you save from not buying that SSD can be applied to getting a better psu. Keep in mind that the PSU is the *** that is powering all your components, you want something of quality.

PROS:
Larger Capacity
Better PSU
Same cost essentially give or take a few dollars

Anyone feel free to correct me, I haven't slept in the past 24 hours so my reasoning might be off.


Awesome suggestions thank you.

Here was my plan, Get the 120gb now - put GW2, MWO and maybe 1 or 2 other games on it and then come January if I need more space and my storage PC is out of room I'll grab a good 1TB - 2TB drive then. The games I'm currently playing don't even fill half of my current 140gb drive. I also have a PC for storage which is why I'm going with a small capacity SSD for this machine. This machine will be my pure gaming machine and the Storage PC will hold my movies and all that jazz.
GuildWars 2 has a lot of loading zones and I want that to be minimal, I figured a SSD would improve that. I figured I can store, Guild Wars 2, Diablo 3, League of Legends, Mechwarrior Online on my current 140gb, it doesn't even take up half the drive and I don't even play 2 of them.
I have been tossing and turning between the HX650 and the HX750 Gold certified just because I've read so many positive things about the HX750 specifically. I really want to keep the PSU modular as possible since my system is minimal in need of cables, I really don't want a big bundle of cables I need to hide. Also I saw a 240gb drive for $160 or so which isn't bad either but I don't think I'll need it.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/id8B
I changed out the PSU to the Corsair HX750 Gold Cert. PSU -
Throw in an additional $20-40 for fans and I'm near the $1200 mark and if like you said I patiently look for deals here and there I can get it lower as the next couple weeks go on. I'm deeply impressed at how much you saved on your system. As I've been looking around I feel some what lost and disoriented when looking for deals like you suggested. :p 
September 22, 2012 8:51:15 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Sale going on for this HD, 75$.
EMCYTZT2236 promo code.

Western digital is the best for mechanical hard drives, never go seagate.

Green Caviar: Mostly used for external hard drives, slow
Blue Caviar: Meant for your everyday user, movies etc, moderate speed
Black Caviar: Slightly faster than the blue, loud, meant for gamers and performance.

Although there is not much of a performance gain between the black and blue.
September 23, 2012 12:38:26 AM

abablitz said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Sale going on for this HD, 75$.
EMCYTZT2236 promo code.

Western digital is the best for mechanical hard drives, never go seagate.

Green Caviar: Mostly used for external hard drives, slow
Blue Caviar: Meant for your everyday user, movies etc, moderate speed
Black Caviar: Slightly faster than the blue, loud, meant for gamers and performance.

Although there is not much of a performance gain between the black and blue.


Took your advice on that hard drive and picked that up so now this looks like what I'm going to aim for with my build:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/if5J
If I can push myself to spend more then $1200 I'll reach for the HX750 but other wise unless someone says something else I'm golden?
over the next week or so I'll be keeping my eyes peeled for further deals and hoping that NCIX gets some of those cards in stock.
September 23, 2012 1:27:35 AM

Apropo said:
Took your advice on that hard drive and picked that up so now this looks like what I'm going to aim for with my build:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/if5J
If I can push myself to spend more then $1200 I'll reach for the HX750 but other wise unless someone says something else I'm golden?
over the next week or so I'll be keeping my eyes peeled for further deals and hoping that NCIX gets some of those cards in stock.

I wouldn't disagree with anything much, there, except personally, I'd prefer Samsung 830, for SSD.
September 23, 2012 2:53:20 AM

malbluff said:
I wouldn't disagree with anything much, there, except personally, I'd prefer Samsung 830, for SSD.


I'd prefer Vertex 4, but OP wants to go with a Corsair theme.
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