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September 21, 2012 9:01:12 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: e.g.: Within a month

Budget Range: $2500, some wiggle room.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming/ having a Nice rig.

Are you buying a monitor: Yes

Do you need to buy OS: Yes

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: NewEgg

Location: Fl, USA

Parts Preferences: quality

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe. Unsure 2x2GB or 1x4gb.

Your Monitor Resolution: Look like 1920x1080. Would like higher but they all seem so expensive.

Here are the only things I am semi-sure of so far. The rest I have really know Idea.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/a2k4
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/a2k4/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/a2k4/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($329.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 4GB Video Card ($484.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $814.98

Motherboard: Looking for something that will stay compatible with future upgrades as long as possible.

Power Supply: Modular with enough power to SLI and some breathing room.

Ram: 16gb

Hard drives: 1 SSD,128gb for boot and spinner for data.

Monitor: 1 24 or 27". Undecided

Case: Does a Mid Tower have enough room? Looking for something not to flashy but still sleek and comes with everything I need.

Thanks in advance for any help.

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September 21, 2012 9:27:51 PM

For gaming, you will never use more than 8GB (No game will use more than 3GB by itself). Here is a recommendation.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/i7Zo

Feel free to ask questions.
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September 21, 2012 10:33:22 PM

Thanks for the quick reply Zared. I noticed a few things. You choose two 670 2gb over one 4gb, why? I also saw a sound card on there. Is it much better then onboard Mobo? As for the 16 gig of ram it seems like it might help me extend the life time of the system.
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September 22, 2012 12:55:09 AM

This XFX psu down below is manufactured by Seasonic as are all XFX psu's. Windows 7 is combo'd with the motherboard. Just add a case to this build.


http://www.amazon.com/XFX-PRO750W-Semi-Modular-80Plus-S... $111.71 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping | Price after rebate: $101.71
XFX PRO750W XXX Edition Semi-Modular 80Plus 750 Watt Power Supply (Silver)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $279.98 save: $10.00 FREE SHIPPING
ASRock Z77 Extreme6 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $290.98 - $15.00 Mail In Rebates save: $18.00 FREE SHIPPING
Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K
Cooler Master TPC 812 RR-T812-24PK-R1 120mm Sleeve with Dual Vertical Vapor Chamber TPC 812 CPU Cooler Compatible with latest Intel 2011/1366/1155 and AMD FM1/AM3+

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $59.99 FREE SHIPPING
Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000) Desktop Memory Model 997015

http://www.amazon.com/Asus-24xDVD-RW-Serial-Internal-DR... $23.49 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25
Asus 24xDVD-RW Serial ATA Internal OEM Drive DRW-24B1ST (Black)

http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Caviar-Internal-D... $98.03 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Western Digital Caviar Black 1 TB SATA III 7200 RPM 64 MB Cache Internal Desktop Hard Drive Bulk/OEM - WD1002FAEX

http://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-2-5-Inch-Internal-MZ-7PC2... $192.75 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
SAMSUNG 830 Series 2.5-Inch 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-7PC256B/WW

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $409.99 - $400.00 after $10.00 rebate
MSI N670 PE 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 670 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $409.99 - $400.00 after $10.00 rebate
MSI N670 PE 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 670 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

Total: $1,816.92 *not including shipping & rebates


http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_670_Power_Ed... <----- review of that MSI GTX 670 w/benchmarks

http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z77%20Extreme6/ <----- another look at that board along with a link to the latest bios update

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/z77-extreme6-z77a-g... <----- review of that board w/benchmarks

http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=265... <----- review of that CM cpu h/s @ Frosty Tech

http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm <----- that same CM cpu h/s on Frosty Tech's Top 5 list


120Hz refresh rate monitor. If your going to have that much GPU firepower than 120Hz is the only way to go. It makes gaming smooth as butter.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $389.99
BenQ XL2420T Black-Red 24" 5ms (2ms GTG) HDMI Widescreen Height & Pivot Adjustable LED-Backlit 120Hz 3D-Ready LCD Monitor 350 cd/m2 DC 12M:1 (1000:1)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $469.99 FREE SHIPPING
ViewSonic V3D245 Black 23.6" 2ms HDMI LED Backlight Widescreen LCD 120Hz 3D Monitor 300 cd/m2 20,000,000:1 w/ Speakers & 3D glasses


Some headsets to have a look at.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $59.99 - $49.99 after $10.00 rebate FREE SHIPPING
Cooler Master CM Storm Sonuz 3.5mm Connector Circumaural Gaming Headset

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $79.99 FREE SHIPPING
Cooler Master CM Storm Sirus S 3.5mm Connector Circumaural 5.1 Surround Sound Gaming Headset
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September 22, 2012 2:10:57 AM

wutangwindu said:
Thanks for the quick reply Zared. I noticed a few things. You choose two 670 2gb over one 4gb, why? I also saw a sound card on there. Is it much better then onboard Mobo? As for the 16 gig of ram it seems like it might help me extend the life time of the system.

For understanding, because at first I did not know this little tidbit of information. Running two 2GB cards in SLI will not give you the VRAM performance of 4GB, you still get only 2GB. The only time you would utilize more than 2GB of VRAM would be running more than three monitors (sometimes two, but it would have to be really high resolution). Next, two GTX 670's will absolutely destroy ANY game with settings maxed out, getting 60+FPS. You will be set for years to come.

The only time that the sound card would actually be useful is if you are running a set up with three or more speakers (two desk speakers and a sub). If not, then you could drop the sound card and add the 8GB of RAM that you want. I have two recommendations for RAM. If you can afford faster RAM, buy it. Secondly, try to buy low profile RAM. It fits a lot nicer when it comes to putting in you CPU cooler.
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September 22, 2012 2:33:20 AM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($83.74 @ Mwave)
Motherboard: Gigabyte G1.Sniper 3 EATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($289.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($88.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($189.98 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($399.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($399.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Switch 810 (Black) ATX Full Tower Case ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Inwin Commander 1200W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($155.17 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus VG236H 120Hz 23.0" Monitor ($329.98 @ NCIX US)
Total: $2354.78
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-09-21 22:31 EDT-0400)

*you can add a THIRD and FORTH card without having to get another PSU, this will come in handy if you decide to get another 2 extra monitors or when this PC start showing its age you can grab a pair of 7970 for about 250$ each (in the future :lol: )



READ THIS: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum2.php?config=tom...
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September 22, 2012 2:51:47 AM

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If you want future upgrades, go with a Sandy Bridge E cpu and motherboard. They will upgrade to Ivy Bridge E eventually. The 1155 will get a new socket and then make your upgrades later moot. I always suggest against SLI or Crossfire as they have driver issues, game issues and microstuttering. Just get a 7970 GHZ and call it a day. Unlike what someone else has said, a soundcard is essential for good 2 channel sound OR multichannel sound. Go with 16GB of memory, you won't regret it. Hope that helps a bit.




*The performance gains from a 3930k to a possible future 4930k will be identical from "upgrading" from a 2600k to a 3770k, the gains are minimal.

*Name a single moderm game with know SLI/Crossfire issues.

*Microstuttering is another big bullshit, i have 4 GTX680s and i have tried running 2, 3 and 4 and i've never experienced microstuttering in ANY game.

*a 7970Ghz edition (and no other card in the world) can get 120fps on heavy modern games like BF3, his budget allows a kick-ass 120Hz monitor so why not get it??

*a sound card IS NOT needed, specially not if he buys the motherboard i linked (the Gigabyte Sniper 3) because of a feature called "Super hearing" which is enabled by having an on-board sound with the quality of a 80/100 sound card.



*4GB of ram are required for extreme gaming, 8GB is the norm because its very cheap but 16, 32 and 64GB of RAM are for people who don't know how to close their 600 programs and 1000s of tabs on chrome.
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September 22, 2012 2:57:48 AM

Why_Me said:
This XFX psu down below is manufactured by Seasonic as are all XFX psu's. Windows 7 is combo'd with the motherboard. Just add a case to this build.


http://www.amazon.com/XFX-PRO750W-Semi-Modular-80Plus-S... $111.71 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping | Price after rebate: $101.71
XFX PRO750W XXX Edition Semi-Modular 80Plus 750 Watt Power Supply (Silver)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $279.98 save: $10.00 FREE SHIPPING
ASRock Z77 Extreme6 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $290.98 - $15.00 Mail In Rebates save: $18.00 FREE SHIPPING
Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K
Cooler Master TPC 812 RR-T812-24PK-R1 120mm Sleeve with Dual Vertical Vapor Chamber TPC 812 CPU Cooler Compatible with latest Intel 2011/1366/1155 and AMD FM1/AM3+

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $59.99 FREE SHIPPING
Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000) Desktop Memory Model 997015

http://www.amazon.com/Asus-24xDVD-RW-Serial-Internal-DR... $23.49 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25
Asus 24xDVD-RW Serial ATA Internal OEM Drive DRW-24B1ST (Black)

http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Caviar-Internal-D... $98.03 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Western Digital Caviar Black 1 TB SATA III 7200 RPM 64 MB Cache Internal Desktop Hard Drive Bulk/OEM - WD1002FAEX

http://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-2-5-Inch-Internal-MZ-7PC2... $192.75 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
SAMSUNG 830 Series 2.5-Inch 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-7PC256B/WW

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $409.99 - $400.00 after $10.00 rebate
MSI N670 PE 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 670 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $409.99 - $400.00 after $10.00 rebate
MSI N670 PE 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 670 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

Total: $1,816.92 *not including shipping & rebates


http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_670_Power_Ed... <----- review of that MSI GTX 670 w/benchmarks

http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z77%20Extreme6/ <----- another look at that board along with a link to the latest bios update

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/z77-extreme6-z77a-g... <----- review of that board w/benchmarks

http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=265... <----- review of that CM cpu h/s @ Frosty Tech

http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm <----- that same CM cpu h/s on Frosty Tech's Top 5 list


120Hz refresh rate monitor. If your going to have that much GPU firepower than 120Hz is the only way to go. It makes gaming smooth as butter.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $389.99
BenQ XL2420T Black-Red 24" 5ms (2ms GTG) HDMI Widescreen Height & Pivot Adjustable LED-Backlit 120Hz 3D-Ready LCD Monitor 350 cd/m2 DC 12M:1 (1000:1)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $469.99 FREE SHIPPING
ViewSonic V3D245 Black 23.6" 2ms HDMI LED Backlight Widescreen LCD 120Hz 3D Monitor 300 cd/m2 20,000,000:1 w/ Speakers & 3D glasses


Some headsets to have a look at.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $59.99 - $49.99 after $10.00 rebate FREE SHIPPING
Cooler Master CM Storm Sonuz 3.5mm Connector Circumaural Gaming Headset

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $79.99 FREE SHIPPING
Cooler Master CM Storm Sirus S 3.5mm Connector Circumaural 5.1 Surround Sound Gaming Headset
+1 i like it :D 
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September 22, 2012 3:08:55 AM

I'd say that idroid has this one here. If he has the experience, I would listen to him. I personally don't have an insane set up so I don't SLI. Can't afford it :( 
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September 22, 2012 3:25:23 AM

My recomendations: Processor I5 3570K or I7 3770k The I5 is the best well rounded processor on the market currently. The I7 is also great as it still uses the same chip set 1155 but it includes hyperthreading if you plan to do any heavy rending but if your going strickly for gaming and basic student or web surfing than go with the I5 it is way more bang for your buck. I would also overclock it to around 4.5 Ghz (ish). Games today as well as in the future for a while I would put my money on it do not use more than 4 cores so wasting money on a hexa (6) core processor right now is not worth it.

Ram - As of right now 8 gig's of ram is still overkill for game playing and most applications. 16 Gig's is mainly just for server's and other High multi-tasking functioning network systems. I though personally find it hard to choose 8 and perfer the 16 myself. I almost always go with what i consider the standard 1600 Hz 1.5 Volt Ram.

GPU - This depends if your running multi monitors and how many. If just want go with the GTX 670 2GB MSI or the Asus 670. If you plan on doing multi monitor I would do the 670 4GB or go with the 3GB 7970 but if your gonna do 3+ monitor I would SLI one of the cards depending on the resolution you decide to play at.

PSU - If you plan to just run one GPU then I would only go with 800W power supply then you have a little room if you choose to add one more. If you plan on doing more than one SLI then go 1200W I find thoes two to be fairly standard although somewhat overkill.

Monitor - depends if you want 120hrz 3D monitor or just a standard LCD/ LCD/LED backlit, etc. etc.... Everyone has their opinion of the best. If you play high speed games FPS I would suggest a 120Hrz if not go with a standard and save some money.

Sound card - I personaly never play my games with the sound on ususally I am watching TV while I play or listening to music so is pointless. I would however take a look at the Motherboard you choose as some MOBO's have great onboard audio and would just stick with that especially if your just gonna use basic two speaker set up.

HDD - not sure how much storage you needed but I would suggest 1 SSD 240G and 1 HDD Wester Digital Black 1 or 2 TB size

OS - just go with Home premium

Cooling - This is a lot of personal preference. There are ton's of good liquid coolers and open air coolers to choose from. If you plan to overclock though to 4.5ish than a liquid cooling system would be best.

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September 22, 2012 7:46:32 AM

zared619 said:
I'd say that idroid has this one here. If he has the experience, I would listen to him. I personally don't have an insane set up so I don't SLI. Can't afford it :( 


Thanks :D 
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September 22, 2012 8:53:56 AM

idroid said:


*The performance gains from a 3930k to a possible future 4930k will be identical from "upgrading" from a 2600k to a 3770k, the gains are minimal.

*4GB of ram are required for extreme gaming, 8GB is the norm because its very cheap but 16, 32 and 64GB of RAM are for people who don't know how to close their 600 programs and 1000s of tabs on chrome.


I wouldn't say the performance gain going from i7 3930k to i7 4930k is identical to 2600k to 3770k till Intel actually releases Ivy Bridge E. Haswell would walk all over Ivy Bridge E and it doesn't make any sense whatsoever buying Ivy Bridge E while you can spend less money for higher performance Haswell.

Regarding Ram, 8 GB is the cheap spot right now, but if he can spend another 30 bucks to get 16 GB, it wouldn't hurt either since he can reserve 8 GB of memory as Ram Disk which is at least 10 times faster than the fastest SSD on the market.
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September 22, 2012 1:31:29 PM

Thanks a bunch you guys are awesome. Here is what I got so far.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ibsd

What do you think?

I like I7 over I5 because I have a I7 now and I cant go down in numbers :) 

SLI scares me at the moment but I would like to add a 2nd card in the future.
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September 22, 2012 1:34:31 PM

If you run only one monitor, which is what you build is, you will see absolutely no difference between a 670 2GB and a 670 4GB. Even if you don't wanna SLI, which is fine, at least save yourself some money and get a 2GB version of the 670.
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September 22, 2012 3:18:50 PM

Will the 4GB be able to handle future games better.?
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September 22, 2012 3:53:36 PM

You don't need 1866MHz RAM, get a 1600MHz, you won't notice a difference.
Also, since you're buying a Noctua, drop the Ripjaws series, and get:
G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB)

OR if you really insist on 16gb - G.SKILL Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB)


wutangwindu said:
Will the 4GB be able to handle future games better.?

Like everyone else has already stated, VRAM only mostly matters when you're getting more than ONE monitor.
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September 22, 2012 4:25:52 PM

Thanks for clearing that up Excella. Maybe I'll do the 2 670s. May I ask why you changed the ram based on Noctua?
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September 22, 2012 4:30:17 PM

Cause the NH-D14 is like... the Godzilla of CPU coolers. It's gonna conflict with RAMs that come with big heatsinks.
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September 22, 2012 4:43:52 PM

I see. Do you suggest a more reasonable cooler?
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September 22, 2012 5:00:14 PM

In terms of performance, the NH-D14 is pretty much top of the line. There's nothing wrong with getting low profile RAMs anyway, the performance is just the same as the bigger ones.
But if you want a *smaller* CPU Cooler, and you don't need that much cooling power, you can get the Hyper 212 EVO.
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September 22, 2012 5:52:15 PM

wutangwindu said:
Thanks a bunch you guys are awesome. Here is what I got so far.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ibsd

What do you think?

I like I7 over I5 because I have a I7 now and I cant go down in numbers :) 

SLI scares me at the moment but I would like to add a 2nd card in the future.


Buddy, you're bullshiting yourself.

*The i7 WILL NOT give you a higher framerate in any game because games DO NOT use more than 4 cores (most of them only use 2 or 3 MAX) so if you turn HT on (which is the ONLY difference between the i5 and i7) your framerate will decrease because instead of having 4 STRONG cores you're have 8 WEAK cores.

*What do you mean SLI scares you???

*The difference between 1600MHz RAM and 1866 RAM is NULE, the memory controller implemented since Sandy bridge made RAM speed irrelevant for overclocking and general system performance.

*EVGA cards use a reference cooler design, they keep the card warmer than most GTX670s and greatly reduce its overclocking potential.

*4GB of VRAM ARE NOT needed for 1080p/2560x1600, you only "need" ~2.5GB for 5760x1080 (triple monitor) and the 7970Ghz edition i linked offers higher performance than GTX670 and GTX680.

*The Vertex 4 is faster than the Samsung 830.

*The PSU i linked in my post has a higher capacity for a bit less and its quality is unquestionable.

*You're getting a 60Hz monitor.... do you have any idea of how crappy that is??? a 120Hz is WAAAAAAY better and it supports 3D

*The build i linked is perfect as it is and if i'd were you i would use that "wiggle room" you have to add a third 7970Ghz to mix.

READ THIS: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum2.php?config=tom...
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September 22, 2012 5:57:53 PM

excella1221 said:
Cause the NH-D14 is like... the Godzilla of CPU coolers. It's gonna conflict with RAMs that come with big heatsinks.


Wrong! the Noctua NH-D14 allows fairly tall heat-skins
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September 22, 2012 6:00:01 PM

excella1221 said:
In terms of performance, the NH-D14 is pretty much top of the line. There's nothing wrong with getting low profile RAMs anyway, the performance is just the same as the bigger ones.
But if you want a *smaller* CPU Cooler, and you don't need that much cooling power, you can get the Hyper 212 EVO.


The thermalright silver arrow outperforms it.... just sayin :p 
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September 22, 2012 6:19:15 PM

What's 'NULE'..? XD
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September 22, 2012 6:27:22 PM

excella1221 said:
What's 'NULE'..? XD


sht.... i made type, i meant null :lol: 
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September 22, 2012 8:22:23 PM

idroid said:
Buddy, you're bullshiting yourself.

*What do you mean SLI scares you???

*The difference between 1600MHz RAM and 1866 RAM is NULE, the memory controller implemented since Sandy bridge made RAM speed irrelevant for overclocking and general system performance.

*You're getting a 60Hz monitor.... do you have any idea of how crappy that is??? a 120Hz is WAAAAAAY better and it supports 3D

READ THIS: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum2.php?config=tom...


*I decided to go SLI

*Im going to go with 1600MHz ram

*Any good 120Hz Asus moniters with built in speakers? (not interested in 3d)
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September 22, 2012 9:17:44 PM

wutangwindu said:
Lastest Build http://pcpartpicker.com/p/idHF


it looks ok but:

* I wouldnt get an i7 for this kind of rig because you will NOT get any benefit from it... in fact, it will reduce your gaming performance if you activate HT.

*That motherboard is an OK overclocker, it doesn't support 3/4 cards and has a standard on-board sound, the Gigabyte Sniper 3 on the build i posted is a LOT better.

*Don't get dual GTX670s get dual 7970Ghz , the extra VRAM will come in handy if you like to activate ALL the filters on the game + high-res textures..... all that + the normal performance advantage that the 7970Ghz has over the GTX680/670

*Again with the 16GB thing??? get 8GB NOW and if you EVER need more performance you can get another 8GB kit later.

*I'd get Vertex 4 (little bit more speed + personal preference)

*I'd get the Switch 810 in white :D  white cases look a lot classier :lol: 

*That's a really good PSU but the one i included is just as good and has 1200w of capacity making it PERFECT for 3/4 way SLI/Crossfire.

*That monitor is 60Hz.... complete piece of crap.

*Ask yourself this question: will you REALLY watch blu-ray movies on your CD or actually access data on Blu-ray disks???

*The sidewinder is an OK keyboard but there are much better options.

if you want a TRUE kick-ass PC, buy this:



PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($83.74 @ Mwave)
Motherboard: Gigabyte G1.Sniper 3 EATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($280.01 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($38.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($88.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($189.98 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($387.86 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($387.86 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Switch 810 (Black) ATX Full Tower Case ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Inwin Commander 1200W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($155.17 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus VG236H 120Hz 23.0" Monitor ($329.98 @ NCIX US)
Keyboard: Corsair Vengeance K90 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Mouse: Logitech G9x Wired Laser Mouse ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $2439.52
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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September 22, 2012 10:03:12 PM

idroid said:
it looks ok but:

* I wouldnt get an i7 for this kind of rig because you will NOT get any benefit from it... in fact, it will reduce your gaming performance if you activate HT.

*That motherboard is an OK overclocker, it doesn't support 3/4 cards and has a standard on-board sound, the Gigabyte Sniper 3 on the build i posted is a LOT better.

*Don't get dual GTX670s get dual 7970Ghz , the extra VRAM will come in handy if you like to activate ALL the filters on the game + high-res textures..... all that + the normal performance advantage that the 7970Ghz has over the GTX680/670

*Again with the 16GB thing??? get 8GB NOW and if you EVER need more performance you can get another 8GB kit later.

*I'd get the Switch 810 in white :D  white cases look a lot classier :lol: 

*That's a really good PSU but the one i included is just as good and has 1200w of capacity making it PERFECT for 3/4 way SLI/Crossfire.

*That monitor is 60Hz.... complete piece of crap.

*Ask yourself this question: will you REALLY watch blu-ray movies on your CD or actually access data on Blu-ray disks???

*The sidewinder is an OK keyboard but there are much better options.



*I7 I am set on, no changing my mind there.

*As for Mobo. I will never go more then 2 cards, I am not that hardcore.

*Im kinda a GTX fanboy. why the 7970 over the 670?

*16 GB I am set on for some reason.

*I need a black case, Kill YT.

*PSU I am never gonna do 3/4 GPUs and I would like to order everything from newegg if possible.

*DO you have any 120HZ MHz that is not 3d? I am not interested in 3d and dont want to spend money on that feature.

*No I will not have anything to do with Blu-rays. Thank you for that tip.

*Whats wrong with the sidewinder keyboard?
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September 22, 2012 10:27:23 PM

wutangwindu said:
*I7 I am set on, no changing my mind there.

*As for Mobo. I will never go more then 2 cards, I am not that hardcore.

*Im kinda a GTX fanboy. why the 7970 over the 670?

*16 GB I am set on for some reason.

*I need a black case, Kill YT.

*PSU I am never gonna do 3/4 GPUs and I would like to order everything from newegg if possible.

*DO you have any 120HZ MHz that is not 3d? I am not interested in 3d and dont want to spend money on that feature.

*No I will not have anything to do with Blu-rays. Thank you for that tip.

*Whats wrong with the sidewinder keyboard?


OK buddy, now that you admitted being a fan-boy is my duty as a still rational person to call you an idiot, you're an idiot :D 

*The i7 WILL NOT GIVE ANY PERFORMANCE GAINS ON GAMES BECAUSE GAMES DO NOT USE MORE THAN 4 CORES AND IT WILL ACTUALLY REDUCE YOUR GAMING PERFORMANCE IF YOU ENABLE HT.

*If you don't need more than 2 cards then i suggest you something like the Extreme 6, Asus P8Z77-V LK or a Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H

*Why the 7970Ghz over the GTX670?? for this:







*Get 8GB now and if you fell you really need an extra 8GB kit buy it later.

*ok then a 850w PSU it is!

*EVERY 120Hz monitor supports 3D.

*idk... i just don't like the sidewinder, its a standard budget gaming keyboard... i like higher end stuff :D 
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September 22, 2012 10:38:19 PM

idroid said:
OK buddy, now that you admitted being a fan-boy is my duty as a still rational person to call you an idiot, you're an idiot :D 

*The i7 WILL NOT GIVE ANY PERFORMANCE GAINS ON GAMES BECAUSE GAMES DO NOT USE MORE THAN 4 CORES AND IT WILL ACTUALLY REDUCE YOUR GAMING PERFORMANCE IF YOU ENABLE HT.

*If you don't need more than 2 cards then i suggest you something like the Extreme 6, Asus P8Z77-V LK or a Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H

*Why the 7970Ghz over the GTX670?? for this:

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_GHz_Edition/images/bf3_1920_1200.gif

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_GHz_Edition/images/crysis2_1920_1200.gif

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_GHz_Edition/images/metro_2033_1920_1200.gif

*Get 8GB now and if you fell you really need an extra 8GB kit buy it later.

*ok then a 850w PSU it is!

*EVERY 120Hz monitor supports 3D.

*idk... i just don't like the sidewinder, its a standard budget gaming keyboard... i like higher end stuff :D 
:heink:  Those benchmarks are comparing a stock 670 against a 7970ghz card wtf! :pt1cable:  :lol: 
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September 22, 2012 10:50:57 PM

So you mean it is not a fair comparison?
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September 22, 2012 10:52:36 PM

bigcyco1 said:
:heink:  Those benchmarks are comparing a stock 670 against a 7970ghz card wtf! :pt1cable:  :lol: 


Still.... clock vs clock the 7970 is the fastest GPU on the world, compare a GTX680 and a 7970 with the exact same clocks and you will see that the 7970 has the edge.
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September 22, 2012 11:04:48 PM

wutangwindu said:
So you mean it is not a fair comparison?
Yes that's what i mean and there nothing wrong with the cards you picked the MSI PE 670 is awesome MSI Power Edition Architecture Boosts Overclocking Potential by 22.5%
The MSI GTX 670 Power Edition graphics card is based on the MSI Power Edition architecture: Afterburner's Triple Overvoltage allows the GPU, Memory and PLL(Aux) voltages to be adjusted. The Enhanced PWM design provides 25% more current than the reference design to ensure high stability during overclocking.

Twin Frozr IV: 20°C Cooler and 11.7dB Quieter than Reference Board
The MSI GTX 670 Power Edition is equipped with MSI's latest Twin Frozr IV Thermal Design. MSI's exclusive Dust Removal technology automatically reverses the fans at startup to prevent dust build-up dust and optimize the cooling module's ability to dissipate heat.

Patented Propeller Blade technology provides 20% more air flow over conventional fans and increases the effective cooling area. When combined with dual 8 cm temperature-controlled fans, SuperPipe technology, and a nickel-plated copper base, temperatures are effectively reduced by up to 20°C and noise by 11.7dB!

MSI's GTX 670 Power Edition uses the famous Twin Frozr IV cooler from the MSI Lightning and comes with a large clock speed boost out of the box, making its default clock speed even higher than GTX 680 stock clocks. MSI is asking a $30 price premium for their card, which doesn't look unreasonable, given the improved cooling and higher clocks. There are a few issues: 1) People make claims without backing it up with proof, 2) People make blanket statements, when the reality is that certain games favor certain hardware, 3) People make a few FPS advantage seem like a "win", when it usually falls within the margin of error and makes no difference in terms of performance.


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September 22, 2012 11:07:47 PM

idroid said:
Still.... clock vs clock the 7970 is the fastest GPU on the world, compare a GTX680 and a 7970 with the exact same clocks and you will see that the 7970 has the edge.
They are within spitting distance
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September 22, 2012 11:12:00 PM

bigcyco1 said:
They are within spitting distance


i know :lol:  but the 7970Ghz edition allows you to overclock your card VERY high, and i've seen a LOT of people posting about getting their MSI 7970 Lighting to 1500 SOLID STABLE.
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September 22, 2012 11:23:50 PM

idroid said:
i know :lol:  but the 7970Ghz edition allows you to overclock your card VERY high, and i've seen a LOT of people posting about getting their MSI 7970 Lighting to 1500 SOLID STABLE.
I call BS on those people claiming that i want to see proof 1500 stable my ass
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September 22, 2012 11:35:40 PM

bigcyco1 said:
I call BS on those people claiming that i want to see proof


I could only find one site with ACTUAL proof of overclocking the card: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_7970_Lightnin... but they clearly said that each cards overclock very different i can confirm that.

i was SO obsessed with achieving a high GPU overclock that i purchased 16 of this cards: http://www.frozencpu.com/products/16996/ex-vga-17a/EVGA... and i individually tested each one and i kept 4 ones that overclock the highest (1400/7800 ROCK SOLID STABLE) and i returned the other 12 :D 
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September 22, 2012 11:40:21 PM


yeah im not interested in the overclocking numbers.just the straight up man power
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September 23, 2012 12:55:45 PM

looks fine except the ram it will conflict with the NHD-14 there is a list they provide on their website as to what ram is compatible any of these will do RAM:G.SKILL Ares Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-1600C9Q-16GAB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM:CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CML16GX3M4A1600C9
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM:Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model 993995
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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September 23, 2012 1:03:39 PM

Also you don't need Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (64-bit) just get Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) the PSU is a bit more than you need nVidia itself recommend 500W for a single 670. Add 170W for SLI & recommended is 670W.
http://www.nvidia.in/object/geforce-gtx-670-in.html#pdp...


For testing conducted for SLI 670, the resulting system consumption for SLI is 433W of which 293W are attributed to the gpu cards.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-670-2-and-3wa...


If you use this psu calculator considering your components, the result is 664W (overclocked processor & used 680x2 to simulate gpu OC:
http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine


All points out to 750W being more than enough.Anyway other then those minor things your golden.
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September 23, 2012 8:19:56 PM

I am excited. Any other suggestions? I will probably pull the trigger middle of the week.
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September 24, 2012 2:13:00 AM

None on my end looks good i ain't going to nit pick you to death and i wouldn't let others confuse you if i was you if anybody tells you something wrong with that build kindly ask them to show you proof then ask for confirmations on if it's legit proof and do research on your own i know it's really sad you need to go through all that i know you don't know me but try and trust me on this it's not about what others prefer it's your build your money and it's about what is best for you and what you prefer anyway best of luck!
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September 24, 2012 2:22:45 AM

wutangwindu said:
Thanks. Got it updated. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ihWc

Looks great. Only thing I would change is the RAM. I prefer (2x8gb) over (4x4gb) so there's room if ever you need to add more. It's unlikely though.
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September 24, 2012 9:21:13 AM

bigcyco1 said:
None on my end looks good i ain't going to nit pick you to death and i wouldn't let others confuse you if i was you if anybody tells you something wrong with that build kindly ask them to show you proof then ask for confirmations on if it's legit proof and do research on your own i know it's really sad you need to go through all that i know you don't know me but try and trust me on this it's not about what others prefer it's your build your money and it's about what is best for you and what you prefer anyway best of luck!


Buddy I don't understand a thing in that long sentence that you wrote lol.
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