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February 5, 2013 2:01:05 AM

Hi guy's new here, was looking to benefit from those in the know here.

Basically I have a HP Pavilion p6 2002uk which I bought back around 2 years ago while I was relatively ignorant about what makes a good PC and what doesn't although at the time it fitted my budget and has served me well so I can't complain.
However .... now I'm thinking of selling my Xbox 360 and just boosting my PC to play games on, I want to know how far I can take this PC without buying a new one considering I've already put down £360 on it I'd rather just buy the upgradable parts.

I know the typical answer to upgrading an OEC is "bury it in a deep ditch" but as long as it's not going to overly screw me I can live with it.

So .......

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Docume...

Motherboard: AAHD2-HY (Holly)
Manufacturer: Pegatron
Form factor: uATX: 24.38 cm (9.6 inches) x 24.38 cm (9.6 inches)
Chipset: AMD Hudson-D2 FCH
Memory sockets: 2 x DDR3
Front side bus speeds: 100 MHz UMI (Unified Media Interface)
Processor socket: FM1
Expansion Slots:
PCI-Express Generation 2 speed
1 PCI Express x16
3 PCI Express x1
1 PCI Express Mini Card x1

CPU: AMD E2 3200 - HD 637OD (Graphics integrated)

TDP: 65W
Operating speed: Up to 2.4 GHz
Number of cores: 2
Socket: FM1
Bus speed: 4.0 GT/s HT3

My questions are how far can I go graphics card wise with that motherboard, I'm aware that if I use a discreet GPU over what my APU offers I'll be looking at purchasing a new PSU as my existing one is only 300w.

I've already decided to max out on a new CPU with the A8-3850 2.9Ghz quad core, is there a way I could go even higher in this series? the spec recommend from HP say's that's the highest but is it possible to go up if I keep it in the AMD tree even to the A10's or A8-3870?

Any help will be extremely appreciated.

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February 5, 2013 2:15:10 AM

You can use any APU that fits the FM1 socket. Just don't mistakenly get an APU designed for the newer FM2 socket. I would upgrade the BIOS before changing to a faster APU just to be safe, tho.

not know the specs on that 300W PSU, I would recommend staying with a gfx card that doesn't require external power; i.e. one that gets all its power from the PCIe X16 slot. The Radeon HD 7750 is about the fastest of the lot: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E... ...and really quite good.
(A few of the lot DO require an external 6 pin PCIe power cable, so stay away from them. But most don't)
February 5, 2013 7:43:53 AM

That would actually be great if that is the case.

1) How would I upgrade the bios? very green when it comes to bios or overclocking adjustments.

2) "I would recommend staying with a gfx card that doesn't require external power; i.e. one that gets all its power from the PCIe X16 slot" .... How would I identify that?

3) Would APU's higher than the one reccommended by HP not over clock it out of the range my motherboard can handle? same question with the graphics card is the HD7750 about as I high as I can go without putting my system out of balance?

Thanks for the advice so far, if that is the case it's not as bad as I thought, I'm aiming for an APU with +3.0 Ghz performance if possible and the GFX card to follow.

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February 5, 2013 10:59:51 AM


Nope.

It's FM1

February 5, 2013 12:10:33 PM

Brilliant well if anyone can help me with those other points it will be much appreciated now the APU is cleared up. :) 
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February 5, 2013 5:26:20 PM

Diamond-HP said:
That would actually be great if that is the case.

1) How would I upgrade the bios? very green when it comes to bios or overclocking adjustments.

2) "I would recommend staying with a gfx card that doesn't require external power; i.e. one that gets all its power from the PCIe X16 slot" .... How would I identify that?

3) Would APU's higher than the one reccommended by HP not over clock it out of the range my motherboard can handle? same question with the graphics card is the HD7750 about as I high as I can go without putting my system out of balance?

Thanks for the advice so far, if that is the case it's not as bad as I thought, I'm aiming for an APU with +3.0 Ghz performance if possible and the GFX card to follow.

First, here is a list of processors the FM1 socket can accept.
http://www.cpu-world.com/Sockets/Socket%20FM1.html
The A8-3870K is indeed an FM1 socket processor. It is a 100W processor and your board's specs allow for using a 100W processor: http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Docume... But keep in mind that you may need a bit more case cooling if temps begin to get out of hand. All and all, I think you should have at least a 120mm intake fan and a 120mm exhaust to keep air flow thru the case.

1) Since yours is a pre-built HP system, I would contact HP for assistance with the BIOS upgrade if you need one. I'm going to reneg a bit on what I said earlier. If you are inexperienced with BIOS updating, I would suggest you try the new processor first and see if the system recognizes it. If it does, there's no real need to update the BIOS. If it doesn't, you can always put the old processor back in, and we can go from there. But I'm betting the board will recognze the CPU just fine.

2) Any gfx card that requires extra power will have at least one 6-pin connector on the rear of the card.
Example:


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3) Your system can support any CPU that fits the FM1 socket and meets the power (watt) requirement of the board. See above.
A gfx card that gets gets all its power from the PCIe X16 slot itself (no 6-pin connector), will not require more than the 75W the slot's specifications say it must provide.

February 5, 2013 8:22:57 PM

clutchc said:

2) Any gfx card that requires extra power will have at least one 6-pin connector on the rear of the card.

A gfx card that gets gets all its power from the PCIe X16 slot itself (no 6-pin connector), will not require more than the 75W the slot's specifications say it must provide.


That's great Clutch, massive help, just to round off about the Graphics cards you mentioned so I can make my final decision, if I wanted one that didn't get all of it's power from the PCIe X16 slot .... what will that mean? I'd need a better PSU? or is it just too much for my Mobo to handle?

I'd like to know what's the best HD GFX card I could get away with? I'm willing to buy a PSU with better coolant from Corsair or whomever if need be but I don't want to ratchet the system up so much it just can't deliver and waste money.

Lastly your advice on my choice of APU/CPU if I'm going to buy a better GFX card anyway would I be better off with the Athlon CPU rather than the A8 APU as I'll end up side lining it's inferior onboard GFX any way because of the new discreet card?

Once again Clutch thanks a lot, you've def lived up to this forums reputation as having some of the best and most helpful people on the net. :) 

So far I'll be purchasing ....

APU/CPU: A8-3870k or the Athlon II X4 651K

RAM: 8GB (From 4GB)

HD Graphics card: ??

PSU: ?? (If required)
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February 5, 2013 9:16:02 PM

For all practical purposes, the two processors you mention (APU and Athlon) are almost identical in power:
Athlon: http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-Athlon%20II%20X4%...
APU: http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-A8-Series%20A8-38...
It's kinda a coin toss. They are the same price here in the States... so you get a 'free' on-die GPU if you go with the APU. But on the other hand, you don't have the added heat generated by an unused idling on-die GPU when using a discrete card if you go with the Athlon. So, I leave that up to you.

If you don't mind replacing the PSU, then you can get any gfx card you like as long as the PSU is adequate. The MB will not care what card you install as long as the PSU can provide adequate power. If you are asking for recommendations for a PSU and bigger gfx card, tell me your budget and I'll try to relate that to dollars here in the states and give some examples. And let me know what resolution your display is. The more pixels and texels the card has to address, the more work it needs to do.

However, you may want to go for the HD 7750 and see if that satisfies you before spending a lot more. You can always sell the HD 7750 later if you decide and recoup some of your expense.
February 5, 2013 9:39:23 PM

This is what that site say's about the two CPU's from the FM1 socket family.

"A8-Series chips have the best overall CPU and 3D graphics performance."

"Athlon II X4 socket FM1 chips offer very good multi-threading performance, but they don't have integrated graphics unit. CPUs from this family can be recommended only if you already have a video card, or can buy one for cheap."

So a touch confused, but everywhere 3DMark/CPU Benchmark has the A8's as slightly higher, I'm just wondering if I'll get the full utilization of a discreet card whilst having an onboard GFX?

My resolution is 1360 x 768 ... running off my LCD TV.

So there's no GFX card I can buy that my Mobo won't get fried or reject because of lack of wattage or compatibility?

Budget is whatever get's the job done lol prob up to $130 - $150 for a GFX card?

The Athlon is £59 the A8-3870k £75.
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February 6, 2013 12:04:53 AM

Ah good, you converted to US dollars ;) 

Armed with that pricing knowledge, I would definitely go with the Llano Athlon. That's a big difference in price over by you. (They are both $90 here at Newegg.)

Your first quote is just manufacturer's sales pitch. They are basically the same CPU. The Athlon just has its GPU disabled. Both processors have the same unlocked multiplier for easy overclocking if you ever decide to venture into that realm. If you plan on a discrete card, there's really no sense in getting the APU. If you don't want to invest in a discrete card, go with the APU.

And, if you are gaming at only 720p, the HD 7750 will be a perfect upgrade. You should be able to play any game out today at max or near max settings at that resolution. And no need to spend any more money. The A8-3870K's 6550D on-die GPU scores 678 on Passmark Video Card Benchmarks, while the HD 7750 scores 1584
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/video_lookup.php?gpu=...

You'll need to spend at least $60 - $70 for a worthwhile PSU and at least another $100 for the HD 7770 (the next tier up from the HD 7750).

Btw, like I'm trying to tell you, your MB won't know or care which gfx card you put in the slot. It only has to supply the first 75W. No worry about frying the board due to the card you choose. It doesn't work like that.
February 6, 2013 12:26:45 AM

Thanks Clutch, I was thinking that also about the APU if I'm going to get a discreet, it was really the ever so slightly favourable A8 ratings over the Athlon that were making me think twice.

So really the only thing left is the PSU I can fit and what GFX card I'm going to purchase.

I went a bit OTT and started looking at the likes of a HD 7850 which I can tell from the Furturemark.com game ratings it's way up there, pretty much passes the requirements for every game so I think my final decision on ....

Graphics card:

PSU:

.... to buy is going to come down to what PSU I can scale up to in my tower, can't buy the GPU if I can't cool it right?

Apart from the dimensions of the bay's on my first post HP spec link this is basically my tower and what it has encased ....

http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/pcs/1288900/hp-pavilion-...



What size PSU can I fit? it looks pretty snug in that diagram? based on that outcome I'll make a decision on my GPU.

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February 6, 2013 1:31:58 AM

Diamond-HP said:
Thanks Clutch, I was thinking that also about the APU if I'm going to get a discreet, it was really the ever so slightly favourable A8 ratings over the Athlon that were making me think twice.

So really the only thing left is the PSU I can fit and what GFX card I'm going to purchase.

I went a bit OTT and started looking at the likes of a HD 7850 which I can tell from the Furturemark.com game ratings it's way up there, pretty much passes the requirements for every game so I think my final decision on ....

Graphics card:

PSU:

.... to buy is going to come down to what PSU I can scale up to in my tower, can't buy the GPU if I can't cool it right?

Apart from the dimensions of the bay's on my first post HP spec link this is basically my tower and what it has encased ....

http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/pcs/1288900/hp-pavilion-...

http://photos.expertreviews.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_Expert_Reviews/dir_316/er_photo_158329_52.jpg

What size PSU can I fit? it looks pretty snug in that diagram? based on that outcome I'll make a decision on my GPU.

Where are these ratings that you say put the APU slightly over the Llano Athlon II X4? They are the same CPU...

Anyway, it seems you have decided to go the bigger card plus new PSU route. That may not be a bad idea. You may move up to a higher resolution monitor before you out grow the PC.

Ah yes... a proprietary mini mATX tower case. Always a challenge. The first thing I'd do is measure for the gfx card. Measure from the expansion cover at the back of the case into the case to the first obstruction your new card will come up against. We need to know that first. And remember, you will probably have 1 or 2 6 or 8 pin connectors at the back of the card that the power cable(s) needs access to.

Your case takes a typical ATX power supply. They are all the same size except for length. It looks a bit cramped, so you may not be able to go with a long one. Measure the distance from back of the case to the first obstruction the PSU would run into.
February 6, 2013 2:35:18 AM

The ratings were my fault it was the right Athlon number but not the K version which is ahead in performance so I'll ignore those.

Where I'm at now is I think I've settled on a HD 7770 paired with an Athlon II X4 651K.

If it causes too much of an issue space/heat wise/cost regarding a PSU then I'll have to settle on the HD7750 unless I just migrate to a new Tower case$$ ...... but for the budget I have ($180 when I sell Xbox 360 plus what I add to it) and looking long term it may do for now but it's the sort of limitation I wanted to avoid initially.

So for the HD 7770 this is what it's asking for ....

http://www.amd.com/UK/PRODUCTS/DESKTOP/GRAPHICS/7000/77...

Min 500w PSU although I'd like to scale to a 600w if possible and size permits.

Now we know the final two components I'd like, do I still need to do all those measurements or can we take the original bay spec and judge them from there against the actual hardware I've chosen and their actual size?

Not being lazy just don't have a tool to hand and I know I've taken a lot of your time, more than what most people get so trying to wrap it up, if we really need those accurate measurements I'll get on it otherwise I'd be happy to go with somewhat of a general guess from yourself if it saves time?

PSU is 5.9 x 5.5 x 3.4 inches, I think judging by the pic we've got room horizontally but hardly anything vertically.

Also the Graphics card according to that pic, not sure what it is the CPU is Intel i3.
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February 6, 2013 2:48:34 AM

What "original bay specs" are you talking about? I'd advise taking some measurements when you have time. Unless you just want to take a chance they'll fit...

Getting late here in my part of the world. I'll get back with you and send you a suggestion or two mañana.
February 6, 2013 3:28:57 AM

Thanks, it's 5:30am where I am and I have to be up at 8am lol.

This is from the HP spec link in my first post and we know how big the PSU is from that I believe, speak to you tomorrow and thanks again.

Mini-tower
Height: 36.8 cm (14.4 inches)
Width: 16.5 cm (6.4 inches)
Depth: 38.9 cm (15.3 inches)
Weight: 8 Kg (17.6 lbs) - without packaging
Bay size Total Bays*
13.33 cm (5.25 inch) ODD 1
8.89 cm (3.5 inch) HDD 1
* Bays may be occupied by existing hardware.

Power Supply
Internal 300W (100V-240V)
Form factor: Internal ATX
Total wattage: 300W
Nominal input voltage range:
100-127V/6A (50-60Hz)
200-240V/3A (50-60Hz)

PSU
Dimensions: 150mm x 140mm x 86mm (5.9 x 5.5 x 3.4 inches)
This power supply has an LED to indicate a possible failure condition when LED is off and power is connected
February 6, 2013 8:25:10 AM

I've cheated a little I found a PSU from an older thread and there is good news.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/324845-10-600w-powe...

ThermalTake TR2 600W with the following:

Dimensions (LxWxH) 140 x 150 x 86 mm
5.5 x 59 x 3.4 inch

Now obviously I'd like to go with a reliable Corsair etc but at least I know they do 600w in those dimensions.

Also as we have the size of the MB Mother board 24.38 cm (9.6 inches) x 24.38 cm (9.6 inches) we have a rough idea via the picture if a HD 7770 will fit hopefully?


** EDIT: Looks like I've found a contender***

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CMPSU-600CXV2UK-Builder...


Size is exact same so no worrying there and it's ATX the only issue may be the cable length but other than that seems to tick the boxes, does this version have the 6 pin connection? I think there is a newer Bronze version which def has?
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February 6, 2013 2:10:35 PM

Diamond-HP said:
Thanks, it's 5:30am where I am and I have to be up at 8am lol.

This is from the HP spec link in my first post and we know how big the PSU is from that I believe, speak to you tomorrow and thanks again.

Mini-tower
Height: 36.8 cm (14.4 inches)
Width: 16.5 cm (6.4 inches)
Depth: 38.9 cm (15.3 inches)
Weight: 8 Kg (17.6 lbs) - without packaging
Bay size Total Bays*
13.33 cm (5.25 inch) ODD 1
8.89 cm (3.5 inch) HDD 1
* Bays may be occupied by existing hardware.

Power Supply
Internal 300W (100V-240V)
Form factor: Internal ATX
Total wattage: 300W
Nominal input voltage range:
100-127V/6A (50-60Hz)
200-240V/3A (50-60Hz)

PSU
Dimensions: 150mm x 140mm x 86mm (5.9 x 5.5 x 3.4 inches)
This power supply has an LED to indicate a possible failure condition when LED is off and power is connected

If those PSU dimensions are your existing unit, it is indeed a std size PSU.

The 'bay measurements' are no doubt the drive bays. Not really relevant for our discussion. The case size is typical for a mini tower case.
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February 6, 2013 2:18:36 PM

Diamond-HP said:
I've cheated a little I found a PSU from an older thread and there is good news.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/324845-10-600w-powe...

ThermalTake TR2 600W with the following:

Dimensions (LxWxH) 140 x 150 x 86 mm
5.5 x 59 x 3.4 inch

Now obviously I'd like to go with a reliable Corsair etc but at least I know they do 600w in those dimensions.

Also as we have the size of the MB Mother board 24.38 cm (9.6 inches) x 24.38 cm (9.6 inches) we have a rough idea via the picture if a HD 7770 will fit hopefully?


** EDIT: Looks like I've found a contender***

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CMPSU-600CXV2UK-Builder...


Size is exact same so no worrying there and it's ATX the only issue may be the cable length but other than that seems to tick the boxes, does this version have the 6 pin connection? I think there is a newer Bronze version which def has?

The Corsair in your link above would be a nice choice. It has 2 6-pin PCIe power cables, yes. I'm going to assume for now, that it is the same unit sold here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The "V2UK" tacked onto the end of the model number no doubt is code for: 240 volt, United Kingdom. As you know, our residential electrical receptacle voltage here in the US is 120V. That PSU will fit fine. The only issue you will have is what to do with all the extra length the cables have (bottom mount PSUs have longer cables that top mount PSUs) , and what to do with all the cables you don't use. Tuck them away as best you can and keep them out of the way of air flow theu the case.
February 6, 2013 2:58:02 PM

Thank you, well this is it then just the question of the HD 7770 will they fit?

The Mobo is coming up on the specs as 9.6ish inches, the GPU is various dependant on make but most come in at 8.2 inches long or there abouts so do you think that will fit in the tower?

Will every version of that particlular Corsair PSU have the 6 pin cables right, some versions seem slightly different?

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February 6, 2013 4:22:19 PM

Diamond-HP said:
Thank you, well this is it then just the question of the HD 7770 will they fit?

The Mobo is coming up on the specs as 9.6ish inches, the GPU is various dependant on make but most come in at 8.2 inches long or there abouts so do you think that will fit in the tower?

Will every version of that particlular Corsair PSU have the 6 pin cables right, some versions seem slightly different?

The MB is a std mATX. They all are about the same size.

Depending on which card you choose, it appears (in the stock photo you linked me to) that your HDD is mounted vertically right in the path of the card if it were long-ish. Normally, a card as short as 8.2 inches is no problem. But if it were my system, I would measure.

A 600W PSU almost always has a pair of 6-pin connectors for gfx cards. You'll be fine. One of the reviews for that PSU states he is running an HD 6870; a much more powerful card the requires 2 connectors. If you go with the HD 7770, you only need one, anyway.
February 6, 2013 6:39:39 PM

Ok well to sum up although there has been a slight change, I'm going to go for the HD 7850 if I can find one at a comparable price because it is a much better GPU than the 7770 but has the same size and system requirements PSU /slot wise etc, if the difference is only £20 then I may as well go for it as it'll last longer regarding future game requirements.

CPU: Athlon II X4 651K

RAM: 8GB (From 4GB)

Graphics card: HD Radeon 7850 (or 7770)

PSU: Corsair CMPSU-600CXV2UK 600w

That's a big step up from where I am currently and better than I thought I could reach and all of that is sized checked/power checked etc (fingers crossed).

Well I have to say a MASSIVE thank you to Clutchc for taking the time to help me out with this I'm a pretty inquisitive type of guy and want to know everything so thanks for being patient ..... I've learned a lot!, it's posters like yourself who boosts this sites reputation.

If you have any last bits of advice on my choices that's great otherwise I'll pop in when it's all installed and let you know how it's turned out, should be done I'd say in around 3-4 weeks poss less.

Once again thanks. :) 
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February 6, 2013 7:56:17 PM

You're quite welcome. Most of us here are ardent PC lovers and enjoy discussions and helping out.

The HD 7850 is a bit more card than you'll make use of with a 720p display. In fact, the HD 7770 would be more than enough to play most games at max settings. But going with the 7850 will allow you to upgrade to a higher rez display in the future and still get great frame rates at high settings. Next though, you'll be having to decide between a 1GB card or a 2GB. The extra GB of memory is only needed for higher resolutions than 1920x1080. Although, there are a couple games out that are VRAM hogs and like the extra memory even at 1920x1080.

I'm betting by the time you finish this upgrade, you'll be wishing for a bigger case, though. ;) 
Feel free to come back if you have more questions...
February 6, 2013 8:26:02 PM

TBH that was part of the challenge, I quite like the case and my PC plus it's already paid for, if I had given up on the case I may as well had given up on the Mobo and basically started from scratch but after the upgrades we've come up with that would have just been even more $$$£££.

Compared to my initial expectancy of the limitations I'd be facing plus the average reaction of hardcore gamers to OEC's (basically "get rid") I'm over the bloody moon with the results numbers wise.

I know with a big case the freedom of choice is a lot more ..... but where's the fun in that? ;) 

I'll come back once this has been done and give a report.
February 7, 2013 9:42:29 PM

Just a quick update on the worry over cables being to long for smaller towers like mine.

The Corsair CX600 has all the cables built in and there is quite a few enough to worry me actually but ..... the newer CX600M does not.

It's modular so the cables are fitted separate and you use only the ones you need, saves a bunch of space, so just a tip if anyone reads this who had space issues like I did.
March 2, 2013 2:26:34 PM

Hi I have all my components now that I listed above and am about to do the installing on Tues but had a slight concern before I start with regards to my PC accepting the CPU.

I've had a look at my Bios options and there is no Bios update available, this is from my product HP support page.

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareCategory?os=...

Also in my Bios options it's not got anything for turning off integrated graphics even if I were to use my GPU crossed with an APU.

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c03...

HP tend to have limited or locked bios hence my concern, I could get lucky or not so bit of a concern.
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March 2, 2013 3:02:24 PM

The first thing I would do, is pop in the new CPU/cooler and boot up.

1) If the existing BIOS recognizes the new CPU, you will get a display and probably a message saying to enter BIOS to make changes if necessary. There shouldn't be any changes to make, so you'll just exit without saving. Booting to Windows will then entail the O/S recognizing the new processor and loading the correct driver. After which you will be asked to re-boot.

2) If the existing BIOS doesn't recognize the CPU, you will have to put the old one back in and do a BIOS update. But I'm betting the BIOS will recognize the CPU fine.
March 2, 2013 3:25:18 PM

Hi clutchc.

How would I do a Bios update though? HP does not have a Bios update listed, this is a quote I found from a HP forum.

"It appears HP hasn't released a BIOS update for the AAHD2-HY (Holly) motherboard in your computer and therefore no BIOS download is available. Your best bet is to contact HP Customer Support in the UK via telephone, chat, or email and request they provide you a link to or download of the original or an updated BIOS for your computer."

I will try the CPU any way but guess this is a plan B prep.
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March 2, 2013 3:29:31 PM

Yeah, I see what you mean. Well, too late to worry about that now. If the CPU isn't recognized, you have two choices. Return it or get a new board. Of course, you can try the phone call/chat attempt. Let's be optimistic though.
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March 2, 2013 4:23:01 PM


BIOSs in OEM builds tend to be dumb.

As long as the CPU is pin-compatible, and meets the voltage requirements, it will likely boot and run properly.

The CPU may be properly identified, or it may simply run as an *unknown processor* at spec speeds

March 2, 2013 5:08:51 PM

Lol thanks guy's my mood is a bit more optimistic now but also I've made a good alternative plan that should only cost £35 if it all goes wrong.

I'm keeping the CPU because the Athlon ramps OC wise to 3.4 Ghz quad core which is where I wanted to be so I'll just make it work as it wasn't too expensive.

Getting a new Motherboard I wouldn't really want an FM1 socket I'd have wanted a new gen (FM2 etc) but the cost would have spiralled, new MB, new more $$$ CPU, if it fails I'll just get a cheap FM1 replacement MB as I already have all the parts for it otherwise cost is gonna get silly.

I'll post back Tues/Wed and give you the news (fingers crossed).
March 5, 2013 7:12:52 PM

Hi guy's I've just come back from my cousin's who helped me put in all the components and .............

Not one issue at all! it went smoother than a marble work top, so pleased, didn't need the Bios for anything, the GPU took and operated straight away, not one blue screen or even a flicker when I put the new CPU in and it's named and registered in the system properties.

My Graphics points on Windows is currently at 7.9 without overclocking done.

The only half issue which actually turned into a benefit was that the Athlon's heat sink fan needed latches to fit and we only had screw ports so I ended up resinking and using the HP stock fan however my original fan is quite a bit bigger than the AMD fan any way so it'll probably cool better, pretty decent space in there as well only fitting the PSU next to the DVD writer was close but still fitted.

I am very happy with the results and have to say a massive THANK YOU to Clutchc in particular as he has helped me every step of the way on here and through PM, Clucth your an absolute LEGEND.

All I need to do now is delve into OC'ing which I don't think I can do through the Bios but Clucthc has shown me a couple of applications one from AMD official that may allow it to be done through Windows without the Bios direct.

............ So all done, all working, zero Bios rejection of CPU or GPU.

I can now enjoy my fully upgraded original HP manufacture PC in a Mini Tower.

Thanks Cluthc and co, won't forget it.
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March 5, 2013 7:28:36 PM

Congrats on a job well done. Post a pic when you have time. And thanks for the undeserved compliment. Keep your eye on the CPU temps for awhile until you're sure the other cooler is doing the job. And when you try O/C'ing, you may want to get an aftermarket cooler if you have room. But from the description of your MB, it sounds like you have one of those Pegatron boards without the AMD retention brackets. That will make buying an aftermarket cooler a challenge.
March 5, 2013 7:47:51 PM

Pics up in 5mins
March 5, 2013 8:01:34 PM

Here we are ...... Sorry technical difficulties trying to find how to upload






March 5, 2013 8:15:13 PM

Where's the option to upload?
March 5, 2013 8:55:47 PM

Ok this should work.

One sec let me resize these giant photo's









March 5, 2013 9:28:37 PM

I'm using CoreTemp and HWMonitor to measure temp.

CPU is between 0c - 16c max

GPU is 33c

At the moment.
a c 307 à CPUs
March 6, 2013 1:02:26 AM

Diamond-HP said:
I'm using CoreTemp and HWMonitor to measure temp.

CPU is between 0c - 16c max

GPU is 33c

At the moment.

Those are good temps. Especially in that small-ish HP case. Looks like you did a good job of squeezing the new PSU and HD 7850 into place. I don't see any probs with air flow. Were those temps with the side panel back on?
March 6, 2013 2:11:28 AM

Yeah my max temp tonight has been 38c whilst I was doing a full system antivirus sweep, yes that was with the case, will check it with a game shortly.

As you said with those screws on the heatsink fan (you can see them in the pic) finding a better fan may be an issue so hope the temps stay below 60c / 50c when being pushed so I can OC.

We did some pretty tidy cable management and cable tied most if not all in the open bay below the DVD writer, lucky it was empty as the Sapphire GPU reaches slightly into that space.

Yes at idle it's very low temps 11c or less being the average, in the old set up like in the pic in this thread there was only one fan ..... now there are 4, 2 on GPU, 1 on PSU and the heatsink so hoping that will suffice.

March 6, 2013 3:04:25 AM

In game temp report.

CPU = 26c

GPU = 48c

Graphics set to ultra on all details, looked amazing compared to what it was.
a c 307 à CPUs
March 6, 2013 3:08:22 AM

Diamond-HP said:
In game temp report.

CPU = 26c

GPU = 48c

Graphics set to ultra on all details, looked amazing compared to what it was.

Ain't it great!! :D 
March 6, 2013 11:28:49 PM

Been dabbling in over clocking for the final stage of my refit in spite of the Bios lock using Fusion Tweaker for my Athlon, after a good start going from 3Ghz to 3.2Ghz I then jumped to 3.5Ghz and got a couple of screen freezes whilst running the stress test but thankfully it just needed a nudge with the voltage, for any one who's interested on my wrap up of my upgrade here are some last photo's of results and scores.

My last stress test in progress.



The results of the test after maxing out at 3.5Ghz



My final standing 3.5Ghz setting and idle average of 10c.



My score on Windows (Hell of a lot better than it was is an understatement)



So I'm going to leave it at 3.5Ghz 4x core as it maxed up to 50c under constant stress so that should be safe, think I could reach 3.7 if I needed to but the numbers would start climbing, Windows scores are CPU 7.4 and GPU 7.9. :) 

All in all I've achieved way more than I hoped for at the start of this thread, thanks again.
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March 6, 2013 11:38:33 PM

You need to post pics that can be clicked on and enlarged. Good job on the O/C with that crippled BIOS.
March 7, 2013 12:29:01 AM

Yes but after our little chat I may scale back one to 3.4Ghz.

I tried the IntelBurner like you said and that maxed me to 67c.

I tried the highest stress test from Prime96 and it topped at 64c

So I'm going to nudge the volts down one, if that freezes the screen I'll have to pull back to 3.4Ghz so we'll see.

Just tried again same settings, did better it got to stage 4 of 10 on IntelBurn at 63c but then coming half way (5/10 stage) it apprached 67c again and basically my Heatsink fan starts going a bit ape.

Will try once more with a nudge down in volts otherwise 3.4Ghz it will be.
March 7, 2013 12:58:10 AM

Christ that IntelBurner is a ball breaker but after sweating on a few occasions it got to stage 10 and flashed that I passed and was stable although it booted my temp to 67c on a few occasions which is when my fan let's me know about it.

However most time was spent at 60-63c on IntelB and lower on Prime69 test around 59c.

I am able (just) to keep my 3.5Ghz but I knocked the voltage down to 1.48 not 1.5 like in the above test pic.
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March 7, 2013 1:22:45 AM

67C should be within safe limits on the Athlon II X4 651K. It's not like you will be running that temp continuously. But I wouldn't overdo it until you find a way to put a good cooler with serious heat pipes on the processor. You may want to save up for a new board next if that's what it will take. Then you can use the multiplier like normal.
March 7, 2013 7:38:52 AM

TBH I'd be happy enough at 3.4Ghz quad so to be able to get away with 3.5Ghz at stock fan is a bonus.

If I get anything as you say it will be a new After market cooler and I have seen a couple with screws just need to insure the measurements but for now I think I'm stable and passed the standard IntelBurn test and the Prime95's higher stress test.

How much I see high end temps during games will decide for me if getting a new fan will be sooner rather than later but my stock one is pretty big compared to the one that came with the Athlon and managed to get me down from 67c to 62c quickly everytime of asking.

Not going to get a new mobo, as I've managed to by pass all the restrictions of my Bios a new FM1 mobo isn't going to offer me much more other than latches for new fans instead of set screws, I'll find a screw in fan if it's needed somewhere I'm sure.

Getting a new mobo will be my next future upgrade (Next Gen socket Mobo, CPU & Heatsink fan) but I'll be a good few years wiser when I do that. ;) 

Speaking of wiser how would I identify any bottlenecks between my GPU and CPU? what should I be looking out for?

Found this which Temile's post in particular seemed helpful, sounds accurate?

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/360360-15-bottlenec...
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