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It's taken me months to come to this point. Instead of jumping in with
questions, I did some research only to find that I had opened up
Pandora's box...again.

My situation: I am scanning a historical collection of documents into
jpeg files and creating a slideshow. The enormity of it all will
require many boxes of CD's.

The slideshows work very well and the documents are readable but before
I go too far...should I be looking at a different method.

The text is the only one of it's kind and I want to share it with
fellow enthusiasts and historians.

I WELCOME all thoughts, questions and answers. I am a historian and not
very technically prone but I will do whatever is necessary to get this
done right.

Sincerely,
Steven
Okinawa, Japan

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I would resize the pictures to whatever size is required for the
presentation (TV or PC). Use free PowerToys from MS. Select all pictures,
right click and select predefined or your unique size. It goes by itself. Do
it into Temp directory, burn them and then delete them. Of course, keep the
originals! The files will be very small (~50k/picture), so you could fit all
your work onto one DVD.

Jan


"Habu" <OkiHabu@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> It's taken me months to come to this point. Instead of jumping in with
> questions, I did some research only to find that I had opened up
> Pandora's box...again.
>
> My situation: I am scanning a historical collection of documents into
> jpeg files and creating a slideshow. The enormity of it all will
> require many boxes of CD's.
>
> The slideshows work very well and the documents are readable but before
> I go too far...should I be looking at a different method.
>
> The text is the only one of it's kind and I want to share it with
> fellow enthusiasts and historians.
>
> I WELCOME all thoughts, questions and answers. I am a historian and not
> very technically prone but I will do whatever is necessary to get this
> done right.
>
> Sincerely,
> Steven
> Okinawa, Japan
>

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Habu wrote:
> [...] I am scanning a historical collection of documents into
> jpeg files and creating a slideshow. The enormity of it all will
> require many boxes of CD's.
[...]
> The text is the only one of it's kind and I want to share it with
> fellow enthusiasts and historians.
>
> I WELCOME all thoughts, questions and answers. I am a historian and not
> very technically prone but I will do whatever is necessary to get this
> done right.

First question: What do you mean by "the text"? In some cases,
historians are interested in the look of the original. In most
cases, what is important is to make text readable.

JPEG is for continuous-tone images. It does not handle text well.

By the time you require "many boxes of CD's", you either need an
automated CD production system, or a different method of distribution.
Hard-disk is usually the best storage medium for dozens of gigabytes
and up. The Web is usually the right way to distribute.

Google has a project to scan/photograph every page of every book that
they're allowed to, and make the content publicly available. Perhaps
they would be interested in your collection.


--
--Bryan

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"Bryan Olson" <fakeaddress@nowhere.org> wrote in message
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> Habu wrote:
> > [...] I am scanning a historical collection of documents into
> > jpeg files and creating a slideshow. The enormity of it all will
> > require many boxes of CD's.
> [...]
> > The text is the only one of it's kind and I want to share it with
> > fellow enthusiasts and historians.
> >
> > I WELCOME all thoughts, questions and answers. I am a historian and not
> > very technically prone but I will do whatever is necessary to get this
> > done right.
>
> First question: What do you mean by "the text"? In some cases,
> historians are interested in the look of the original. In most
> cases, what is important is to make text readable.
>
> JPEG is for continuous-tone images. It does not handle text well.
>
> By the time you require "many boxes of CD's", you either need an
> automated CD production system, or a different method of distribution.
> Hard-disk is usually the best storage medium for dozens of gigabytes
> and up. The Web is usually the right way to distribute.
>
> Google has a project to scan/photograph every page of every book that
> they're allowed to, and make the content publicly available. Perhaps
> they would be interested in your collection.
>
>
> --
> --Bryan

Also if you're talking about just text maybe you could scan in 16 colours or
similar. I seem to remember this really does reduce the file size but you
may have to save as something other than JPEG.

Burning to DVD instead would use 6 times less CDs at single layer or 12
times less CDs at double layer.

Alex

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Alex, thanks for the "clue" because I didn't have one.... I bought a
container of 30 JVC DVD-R 120 min. I will give it a try.

It is not simple text and that's what makes it so demanding on my
learning curve. I have one original United States military Top Secret
Operations Plan for the invasion of Okinawa. It is 50 years old and in
good shape. The pages have an excellent "patina" of tobacco brown
around the edges. The whole manual is full of redline changes, circles,
arrows, notes and code.

I have a sample that works well with MSFT Media Player if anyone would
like to preview it.

With droopy bloodshot eyes,
Steven
Kadena Air Force Base
Okinawa, Japan

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Bryan Olson wrote:

> Habu wrote:
> > [...] I am scanning a historical collection of documents into
> > jpeg files and creating a slideshow. The enormity of it all will
> > require many boxes of CD's.
> [...]
> > The text is the only one of it's kind and I want to share it with
> > fellow enthusiasts and historians.
> >
> > I WELCOME all thoughts, questions and answers. I am a historian and not
> > very technically prone but I will do whatever is necessary to get this
> > done right.
>
> First question: What do you mean by "the text"? In some cases,
> historians are interested in the look of the original. In most
> cases, what is important is to make text readable.

Given where he is posting from and an historical document it is likely
that the documents are handwritten kanji and hirogana. The brush stroke
detail may well require grey scale imaging to maintain legibility.

> JPEG is for continuous-tone images. It does not handle text well.

It doesn't handle it as badly as is generally believed. You can save
line artwork in JPEG format using the right settings and achieve good
results both in compression and quality. PNG usually beats it though.
>
> By the time you require "many boxes of CD's", you either need an
> automated CD production system, or a different method of distribution.

DVD might be a better choice given the volume of data.

There are dedicated algorithms for monochrome text images that acheive
very much higher compression than JPEG ever will. Places to look for
examples are on 1837.com (DjVu) and I think Ancestry.com uses JPEG
monochrome (nominal 25% setting). It is worth looking very carefully at
a range of options for compressing archive material to get the best size
quality trade off.

Regards,
Martin Brown

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Habu wrote:
> It's taken me months to come to this point. Instead of jumping in with
> questions, I did some research only to find that I had opened up
> Pandora's box...again.
>
> My situation: I am scanning a historical collection of documents into
> jpeg files and creating a slideshow. The enormity of it all will
> require many boxes of CD's.
>
> The slideshows work very well and the documents are readable but before
> I go too far...should I be looking at a different method.
>
> The text is the only one of it's kind and I want to share it with
> fellow enthusiasts and historians.
>
> I WELCOME all thoughts, questions and answers. I am a historian and not
> very technically prone but I will do whatever is necessary to get this
> done right.
>
> Sincerely,
> Steven
> Okinawa, Japan
>
I've done this with one set oif documents for a scientific society, and I'm working on
another set for a military veterans organization. I scan the documents and make pdf files
wth searchable text. One can view the documents or print them out in the original
format of the documents, in color if need be. A 20 page document converts to a 2.5 to 3 Mb
file.

If you want to take this approach, send me an e-mail and I'll e-mail more detail of the
procedure.

B.t.w., I was in the the 96th Infantry Division on Okinawa in 1945. Would the documents
you are working on be of interest to me?

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I must say that the answer is YES, they should be very interesting to
you!
The "documents" are actually pages from the:

TOP SECRET
Commander Task Force Fifty-One
Commander Amphibious Forces
U.S. Pacific Fleet,
Operations Plan NO. A1-45

And

CONFIDENTIAL
United States Pacific Fleet and Pacific Ocean Areas
OKINAWA GUNTO
Second supplement to Okinawa Gunto Information
Bulletin Number 161-44
15 November 1944

Both are complete with handwritten notations and last minute changes.

Scanning the "documents" into a pdf format is possible but I am
interesed in the actually showing the original pages with
"redline" changes.
When I read the pages I get this tremendous inner emotion of what the
thought processes were being discussed
and who was there.

There are plenty of large maps also.

In my estimation thiese items are priceless but too damn important to
not share.

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