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August 4, 2012 6:27:10 PM

i am looking to upgrade my current video card (nvidia 8800 gt) and was recommended to look into the 560. i would like to spend around 200 as as a max.

Uses will be for gaming (d3, BF3, similar new games) Is the 560 a good card to go with or are there better?

if the 560, which of the following would be best?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004LB5AR2/ref=olp_pro...

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=61198&vpn=01G-P3-1463-...

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August 4, 2012 6:38:21 PM

This is the best card you can get in your price range $199.99 $189.99 after mail in rebate SAPPHIRE 11188-22-20G Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card (OC Edition) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... if not then the first card you linked is next best
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August 4, 2012 6:38:58 PM

crimsen said:
i am looking to upgrade my current video card (nvidia 8800 gt) and was recommended to look into the 560. i would like to spend around 200 as as a max.

Uses will be for gaming (d3, BF3, similar new games) Is the 560 a good card to go with or are there better?

if the 560, which of the following would be best?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004LB5AR2/ref=olp_pro...

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=61198&vpn=01G-P3-1463-...


I found a gtx 560ti for $209 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Gtx 560ti is better than a gtx 560
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August 4, 2012 6:56:06 PM
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GeForce GTX560 Ti 448 Cores for $229.99 CAD ( $199.99 CAD After Mail In Rebate)

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=66832&vpn=GV...
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August 4, 2012 7:01:05 PM

ko888 said:
GeForce GTX560 Ti 448 Cores for $229.99 CAD ( $199.99 CAD After Mail In Rebate)

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=66832&vpn=GV...
Great find OP if you can afford it this card when OC will compare to a 7850 i have seen it in action it's a beast! ;) 
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August 4, 2012 7:24:22 PM

You don't need to OC the GeForce GTX560 Ti 448 Cores to beat the Radeon HD 7850, it already does at reference clocks.

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August 4, 2012 7:26:24 PM

bigcyco1 said:
he linked that card already ;) 


His was like $10 more lol
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August 4, 2012 8:04:06 PM

ko888 said:
You don't need to OC the GeForce GTX560 Ti 448 Cores to beat the Radeon HD 7850, it already does at reference clocks.

http://www.guru3d.com/imageview.php?image=37135
:o  it's better than i realized is that just in BF3 though either way good to know thanks for info. ;) 
August 4, 2012 8:30:33 PM

Those charts were before Catalyst 12.7, you can add 10% minimum increases to all GCN cards. The last testings we did the 7850 runs as well as the 448 and 570 on much less power namely a max of 130w peak power usage. I wouldn't get a GTX 560 or 560ti, it is still over priced and it gets soundly spanked by a much cheaper HD 6850, with the prices dropping on the 6850 you may be able to get two for $200 or so, and get somewhere reasonably close to 580 performance.
August 4, 2012 10:05:45 PM

sarinaide said:
Those charts were before Catalyst 12.7, you can add 10% minimum increases to all GCN cards. The last testings we did the 7850 runs as well as the 448 and 570 on much less power namely a max of 130w peak power usage. I wouldn't get a GTX 560 or 560ti, it is still over priced and it gets soundly spanked by a much cheaper HD 6850, with the prices dropping on the 6850 you may be able to get two for $200 or so, and get somewhere reasonably close to 580 performance.



by saying i would get 2 cards for $200, would that mean using SLI or some other form of running both cards at once to get similar performance as the 560 448 core? sorry, when it comes to hardware things, i am new.
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August 4, 2012 10:15:16 PM

crimsen said:
by saying i would get 2 cards for $200, would that mean using SLI or some other form of running both cards at once to get similar performance as the 560 448 core? sorry, when it comes to hardware things, i am new.

Using two Radeon HD 6850 in CrossFire mode would require that your motherboard be able to support two graphics cards in CrossFire mode. It'll cost you at least $260 CAD for two Radeon HD 6850 cards.

It also introduces a possible annoying problem called micro-stutter.

No one has asked what your power supply's make and model is. Please provide it.

Are you adamant on an NVIDIA card? Are you looking for PhysX support in games?
August 4, 2012 10:31:53 PM

ko888 said:
Using two Radeon HD 6850 in CrossFire mode would require that your motherboard be able to support two graphics cards in CrossFire mode. It'll cost you at least $260 CAD for two Radeon HD 6850 cards.

It also introduces a possible annoying problem called micro-stutter.

No one has asked what your power supply's make and model is. Please provide it.

Are you adamant on an NVIDIA card? Are you looking for PhysX support in games?



no, i am not attached to NVIDIA. can be any brand. not sure on what Physx is so will have to look that one up later to see if it is something i desire.

power supply is not determined yet as i need a new one. was looking at something around the 750watt rating of a reputable name.


and to confirm, would i need 2 HD 6850 in crossfire to get similar performance of the single 560 448 core suggested earlier in this topic? if possible i would prefer a single card due to simplicity.
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August 4, 2012 11:31:06 PM

crimsen said:
no, i am not attached to NVIDIA. can be any brand. not sure on what Physx is so will have to look that one up later to see if it is something i desire.

power supply is not determined yet as i need a new one. was looking at something around the 750watt rating of a reputable name.


and to confirm, would i need 2 HD 6850 in crossfire to get similar performance of the single 560 448 core suggested earlier in this topic? if possible i would prefer a single card due to simplicity.
Two 6850 would cost no cheaper than $260-$300 for PSU if you want a 750W here's a good choice-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
if you don't want modular than-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
both are good.Just the XFX is semi modular and made by seasonic both will handle your system with even the most power hungry cards.I would suggest you tell us which card your going to buy first you most likely don't need a 750W. Total power supply wattage is not a crucial factor in power supply selection. Total amperage available on the +12V Rail(s) is the most important.I would say ko888 has the most knowledge in this area so ask him for help when picking a PSU.

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August 5, 2012 1:45:54 AM

*My recommend:
After writing this comment my recommend is this card:
MSI HD7850 Twin Frozr III ($220 at NCIX after MIR)
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=70852&vpn=R7850%20Twi...

My logic...

PhysX:
You can ignore PhysX at this price point. It's extra eye-candy but the performance hit is so huge that you're best running without GPU PhysX (some games can run using the CPU for PhysX). For example, turning PhysX on HIGH in Batman AC dropped my FPS to about HALF.

Crossfire/SLI:
stick with single cards. As mentioned micro-stutter is an issue. I've studied this extensively, built systems for others, read reviews etc.

Buying points:
- Write down the cards in your price point (GTX560Ti etc)
- find some benchmarks to compare these cards (at least three games)
- buy the card that performs the best
- *also, look at non-reference coolers which run quieter and the card warranty

*My recommend*
I have to go with one of the HD7850 2GB cards.

In benchmarks the trend appears that the card is lagging slightly behind the GTX560Ti/560 but the cards newer architecture is pulling it AHEAD of the game with newer game engines like BF3. So that's a little future-proofing there.

The HD7850 also uses the 28nm GPU die so it runs much cooler/quieter than a GTX560Ti.

It also has 2GB of Video RAM which some games are starting to require even now, such as a modded SKYRIM.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-radeon-hd-7850-and-78...


*WARNING*
I saw at least one, 1GB model of the HD7850 (XFX I think). Make sure you get a 2GB model.
August 5, 2012 6:50:40 AM

bigcyco1 said:
I am pretty sure that a GTX 570 spanks a 7850 http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7850_HD_7870/... the 7850 does use less power though



The 7850 does well in that it runs concurrent with the 6970 and 570, with mature drivers now for the GCN chips the performance has increased and what the 7850 has in its advantage is; low power profile, superior overclocking headroom you can push a 1200mhz core clock on a reference card thats over 400mhz bump without even worrying thermals and its cheaper than both the 6970 and 570 for relatively the same level of performance. AMD didn't skimp on the Pitcairns so it has all the features seen in the 7970 as well. The problem with the 7850 now is that the 7870 has dropped in price and for like $40 you can get a 7870 which runs a GTX 580 through its paces.
August 5, 2012 6:57:27 AM

Its becoming harder to recommend any Fermi or VLIW4 architectures with GK104 and GCN out, the only downside to Nvidia is that they don't have a mainstream player and the 660ti is priced out at $300 which will see it take a huge knock, in fact Keplar is so undersold there are rumours that GK110 will be delayed to some time in 2014, by that point AMD may be through two new generations of GPU architecture, and of course they will have Steam roller which will change gaming computing.
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August 5, 2012 2:46:46 PM

if you want a nVidia GPU then look for a nVidia GPU.
don't let these guys influence you if that's not what you want....

cheers.
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August 5, 2012 3:09:10 PM

verbalizer said:
if you want a nVidia GPU then look for a nVidia GPU.
don't let these guys influence you if that's not what you want....

cheers.
+1 and don't listen to blanket statements about drivers making cards better it is very possible but i am noticing a trend with these ATI/AMD card recommendations that is getting quite old for me no proof to back up these claims make them prove it or take it with a grain of salt.
August 5, 2012 5:53:13 PM

thank you all for the suggestions and information. i think i will pull the trigger on the 560 TI 448 cores that ko888 recommended in the beginning of this. it appears it will do good out of the box, and has room to improve.
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August 5, 2012 5:55:22 PM

crimsen said:
thank you all for the suggestions and information. i think i will pull the trigger on the 560 TI 448 cores that ko888 recommended in the beginning of this. it appears it will do good out of the box, and has room to improve.

hell, I can definitely live with that...
enjoy.

but note if the GTX 570 is like $15-$20 or less in price difference then get that...
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August 5, 2012 6:37:40 PM

If the GTX560Ti 448 is your thing, then the best price I found are:

$235 (3-slot card! Same as my GTX680 DCU2)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$250 (2-slot cards)
The other two cards at newegg.com were the Gigabyte (three fans) and MSI Twin Frozr III versions. You can research that.

*Keep in mind that the GTX660Ti is rumoured to be coming out THIS MONTH at an estimate $300 with performance greater than a GTX570. Current estimate is probably similar to the drop from GTX680 to 670 (due to 7/8 cores instead of 8/8 cores). So the 660Ti is likely to perform at roughly 80 to 85% the peformance of the GTX680 leaning towards 85% as it would overclock slightly better with less cores (may be a rebinned GTX680 with 2 of 8 GPU cores deactivated for some).

Hard to say, but the GTX670 at one point was 93% the performance of the GTX680 (on average) but 80% of the cost. Also the Asus DCU2 670 version at one point was $430 and performed on par with the cheapest $500 GTX680 so it was actually cheaper, same performance, and quieter all at the same time (still holds true I believe).
August 5, 2012 6:48:38 PM

photonboy said:
If the GTX560Ti 448 is your thing, then the best price I found are:

$235 (3-slot card! Same as my GTX680 DCU2)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$250 (2-slot cards)
The other two cards at newegg.com were the Gigabyte (three fans) and MSI Twin Frozr III versions. You can research that.

*Keep in mind that the GTX660Ti is rumoured to be coming out THIS MONTH at an estimate $300 with performance greater than a GTX570.



thanks for the additional options. unfortunatly the 3 slot card is the only possible one to consider with my price limitations, and even that is a bit higher than i want to go for right now. with my gaming, i am not in the most latest released games, and i played for many ages in everquest with a 800 MHZ processor and generic vid card that required me to run around looking at the ground to enable myself to move or play, and nothing for graphics. the difference between playing smoothly at 40 or 50 fps for me is harder to see when i grew up knowing 5fps
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August 5, 2012 7:10:20 PM

crimsen said:
thanks for the additional options. unfortunatly the 3 slot card is the only possible one to consider with my price limitations, and even that is a bit higher than i want to go for right now. with my gaming, i am not in the most latest released games, and i played for many ages in everquest with a 800 MHZ processor and generic vid card that required me to run around looking at the ground to enable myself to move or play, and nothing for graphics. the difference between playing smoothly at 40 or 50 fps for me is harder to see when i grew up knowing 5fps


I believe ko888 (i think) linked to this card which is $200 after MIR:
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=66832&vpn=GV...

It also comes with three games (if available. not sure on that).

I'm not sure we can find a better value without dropping a rung in performance. Pretty sure you've got enough info to go on now.
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August 5, 2012 8:05:42 PM

It includes coupons for digital downloads for three specific games. Checking the realtime stock availability at NCIX shows that they are still available.
August 6, 2012 6:22:22 AM

The only problem is that the GTX 560ti is outpriced for its tired architecture, does it game satisfactory, yes it does, but its competitor is faster and cheaper, I thought we should advise people on sound reasons, not because of brand priority.

As for the GTX 560 448, why buy a card that is almost the same cost as a GTX 570 but delivers less performance, the 448 was a stop gap but thats all it is, just a 560 priced like a 570, at $230 you can get a cheaper and faster HD 7850.
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August 6, 2012 10:49:37 AM

not me.
I'd take 570 and the -448 over the HD 7850...
maybe it comes down to a personal preference.
but if running only dual monitors max and no need for triple screens, then I'm going 570 or -448 over 7850..
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August 6, 2012 10:51:50 AM

verbalizer said:
not me.
I'd take 570 and the -448 over the HD 7850...
maybe it comes down to a personal preference.
but if running only dual monitors max and no need for triple screens, then I'm going 570 or -448 over 7850..
+1
August 13, 2012 9:02:12 PM

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August 13, 2012 11:02:55 PM

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