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September 25, 2012 3:13:37 PM

I am new to this, with novice knowledge of building a PC. I know and understand parts, but have yet had the experience of building the PC. I was hoping I could get some suggestions on how this build is? I went to CyberPowerPC and configured a system I wanted, and just copied the parts. Sure I can buy it from them, but I wanted to build it myself for the joy of the task and to save on the labor cost. So, what do you guys think? Did I miss anything? Need more of something? Etc. Please keep comments kind and helping.




Case - Thermaltake Commander Mid-Tower Gaming Case


Fans - Maximum 120MM Case Cooling Fans


Noise Reduction - Anti-Vibration Fan Mounts


CPU - AMD FX-8150 3.60 GHz Eight-Core AM3+ CPU 8MB L2 Cache & Turbo Core Technology


Graphics Card - AMD Radeon HD 7970 3GB 16X PCIe 3.0 Video Card


Cooling Fan - Asetek 510LC Liquid Cooling System 120MM Radiator & Fan (Enhanced Cooling Performance + Extreme Silent at 20dBA)


Motherboard - CrossFireX/SLI] GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD3 AMD 990FX Socket AM3+ ATX Mainboard w/ Ultra Durable™ 3, Dual Bios, On/Off USB Charge & 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, USB 3.0, SATA-III RAID, 4 Gen2 PCIe X16, 2 PCIe X1 & 1 PCI


Power Supply - 850 Watts - Cooler Master Silent Pro Gaming 80 Plus Power Supply


RAM - 16GB (8GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory


Hard Drive - 1TB SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 32MB Cache 7200RPM HDD


Optical Drive - 24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive


Operating System - Window 8 (release end of October)


WiFi - 802.11b/g/n 300 Mbps Wireless Card + External 2.4G 5 Dbi Omni-Directional Wireless Antenna



Thanks for reading / helping! It is very much appreciated!
September 25, 2012 3:26:42 PM

Was looking for suggestions and advice not external links, thank you though. I do not need to know price, as I can buy as I go.
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September 25, 2012 3:29:22 PM

you did a double post.


1; fx sucks for games
2: you dont need that much ram
3; my motherboard has a wifi card if you need one
4: you dont need that much wattage
5; you dont have a SSD which means your rig wont feel very fast
6:the d14 cooler cools better and quieter
7; lol you dont need that many fans
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September 25, 2012 3:57:54 PM

1; fx sucks for games - what do you reccomend?

2: you dont need that much ram - How much do you suggest? 8GB?

3; my motherboard has a wifi card if you need one - How Much?

4: you dont need that much wattage - Would 850W be a better option?

5; you dont have a SSD which means your rig wont feel very fast - What exactly is SSD? New to that one.

6:the d14 cooler cools better and quieter - I will get that one :) 

7; lol you dont need that many fans - Lol I will take out some!
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September 25, 2012 4:03:14 PM

whatever i posted in the link is what i would recommend

a SSD is basically a USB but designed for mass storage and speed. loads everything faster

8gb is enough for games

750w is enough


more things to note. build it yourself
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September 25, 2012 4:34:37 PM

What you posted in the link is something you built? I am not entirely interested in that built, thus why I am here to get sugggestions for my build. I do not want an intel i5 I prefer AMD. Thank you for letting me know I will save sticking with 8GB and a lower power supply. I do plan on building it myself, thus the reason for the post. One last question for you, is the SSD on the Ram, e.g. "8GB kinston SSD RAM". Sorry for the noob questions, but thats why I am here...
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September 25, 2012 4:54:07 PM

The link he posted isn't something he built.. technically. It's a more convenient way of showing people who come here the stuff we suggest for their builds.
SSD and RAM are different things. SSD is a storage device like an HDD. There are more differences but I can't post them all right now.

As far as I know, the best gaming CPU from AMD at the moment is the Phenom X4 965, which isn't very high end. Don't get me wrong, I love AMD, but they are very behind on CPU technology compared to Intel. If ever they get to make a CPU though that can (at least) compete with the i5, I would definitely buy it.

Between the GTX 670 and the 7970, I would definitely go for the 7970. Just make sure you get the GHz edition.
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September 25, 2012 4:58:55 PM

well time to explain,

if a intel pentium g630 is on par with a fx 8150 in games, i really dont see the point of picking a AMD chip over a intel chip that costs just as much. if you want to though, you could later on pick the fx 8350 but there are no promises for it to perform anywhere near a i5.

8gb of ram just just 8gb of ram. just grab the set i suggested

a SSD is a solid state drive. its completely different from ram. the vertex 4 is my recommendation
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September 25, 2012 5:00:16 PM

excella1221 said:
The link he posted isn't something he built.. technically. It's a more convenient way of showing people who come here the stuff we suggest for their builds.
SSD and RAM are different things. SSD is a storage device like an HDD. There are more differences but I can't post them all right now.

As far as I know, the best gaming CPU from AMD at the moment is the Phenom X4 965, which isn't very high end. Don't get me wrong, I love AMD, but they are very behind on CPU technology compared to Intel. If ever they get to make a CPU though that can (at least) compete with the i5, I would definitely buy it.

Between the GTX 670 and the 7970, I would definitely go for the 7970. Just make sure you get the GHz edition.


yeah but some people prefer the nvidia side given it has 3d physx (borderlands) and a bunch of other perks that amd cards dont enjoy.
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September 25, 2012 5:03:53 PM

^True, but he does seem very inclined with his current build, and he chose an AMD so it's not really a bad thing to support it. :D 
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September 25, 2012 5:09:53 PM

i wouldnt support it unless it would make sense to do so which it doesnt right now
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September 25, 2012 5:20:03 PM

I thank you for the support so far guys, and appreciate all the help. You have made me rething my config (I came here for suggestions and help, so I expected it, lol). If I am to go with intel I would want the i7 over i5. Whats a great graphics card to replace the AMD with?
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September 25, 2012 5:23:23 PM

You'll only need an i5-3570K at most if the build is only for gaming.
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September 25, 2012 5:42:55 PM

The SSD Storage is very expensive compared to RPM, with much less GB...
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September 26, 2012 12:19:07 AM

thats because its that much faster.
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September 26, 2012 11:52:08 AM

Is a 300GB SDD much better than a 1.5TB RPM?
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September 26, 2012 12:00:32 PM

so you are still buying a prebuit?
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September 26, 2012 12:00:35 PM

you should be getting a 240/256gb SSD and not a 300gb.

yes. much faster in every way.

the hard drive is meant to store all of the random files, movies and just raw data

the ssd is to store the os, most of your apps, and games that are worth being put onto a SSD
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September 26, 2012 12:17:00 PM

No, I was never buying a prebuilt. I am wanting to build it myself, though I am worried I may be unable to do so properly.

Also, is a 256GB enough to store a good amount of files?
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September 26, 2012 12:44:05 PM

I'm sure it's more than enough. :p 
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September 26, 2012 12:45:33 PM

So based on the information I have gained from you guys, I redid my configuration. What do you think about this build?

http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/

I want this build for high end gaming, ultra graphics on top games (or close) but I also will have things on it like documents and other minor software. I plan to have 3-4 games installed at all times. How does this build look to you? How is the graphics card? And motherboard?

Also, how difficult is to build a PC? Since there are clearly no instructions and I am new would I be able to figure it out without damaging parts?
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September 26, 2012 1:07:11 PM

Thats a lift up on my hopes! Thank you, I think I understand fairly well how parts and softwares work. It is more of the plug this there and that here, type of thing, that has me worried about building it myself. Primarily getting the exact part I need. As everyone who builds a PC needs different parts for their own builds, and a tutorial can only show what they are doing :( .
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September 26, 2012 1:12:31 PM

Yes, I believe those are covered in both links I gave. :) 
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September 26, 2012 1:26:10 PM

Thanks excella1221 and TheBigTroll! Your help has been so great! I can not tell you how much I appreciate it!

Do you guys think I will have trouble with the assembly of the system I created in PCparts? Anything I may run into that you suggest I keep in mind? Since as I mentioned this is my first time building it myself lol.

I was also lookin for a cooler case, would a Cooler Master Storm Trooper Full Tower Gaming Case work just as well as what I have? Or better?
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September 26, 2012 1:39:59 PM

I'm sure you'll do fine. Just make sure to discharge yourself for any static every after holding components.
I like most of the Cooler Master cases. It's all on the matter of your needs and preference.
Here's a good break down of 3 Full Towers I would recommend: Click!

Out of those 3, I would get the HAF 932. Personal preference though. :p 
The Storm Trooper just has so much drive bays that I'll probably never utilize in my lifetime. XD
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September 26, 2012 1:51:15 PM

i cant see your build. you are supposed to post your permalink not the URL on the browser
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September 26, 2012 2:34:52 PM

I will likely go with COOLER MASTER CM Storm Series Trooper (SGC-5000-KKN1) Black Computer Case
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September 26, 2012 2:36:33 PM

no i want to see what you put together
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September 26, 2012 2:38:42 PM

Not sure how to "permalink" I was working fine a bit ago, either way here is the list of specs, anything you see that should be edited?


CPU

Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core



CPU Cooler

Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM



Motherboard

ASRock Z77 Extreme9 ATX LGA1155



Memory

G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600



Storage

OCZ Vertex 4 256GB 2.5" SSD



Video Card

Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB



Case

Antec Three Hundred Illusion ATX Mid Tower



Power Supply

Corsair 750W ATX12V / EPS12V



Optical Drive

Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer



Operating System

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 3-Pack (64-bit)
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September 26, 2012 2:44:15 PM

1: reduce down to a i5 3570k. no performance increase going to a i7
2; the asus z77-v pro is a better motherboard.
3:id get a msi gtx670 power edition over a 7950 any day
4: there are better cases like the corsair carbide 500R or your storm trooper
5: the xfx xxx 750w is much better
6: i dont see the use of a 3pak
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September 26, 2012 2:47:27 PM

Ohmy, I didn't notice the link you gave was a browser link. I must've been looking at a build I cooked up for someone then. XD
You don't need the i7 if it's just for gaming. It's essentially the i5-3570K minus the hyper-threading.
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September 26, 2012 3:15:19 PM

I still plan on having the i7, I am sure it will have its uses in the future. Not sure why they would make it without future use, lol. Is the nVidia msi GTX670 a "top of the line" graphics card?

Note: This is not for PURE gaming, just 70% of the build is for that reason alone. I still want to be able to run apps like MS Office and what not on it with no issues. Whats the points of an i7 when an i5 does the same things? Why do they make the i7, for what?
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September 26, 2012 3:16:56 PM

How is the GTX670 better than the AMD I picked? If it is ONLY for 3D then I should state that I hate gaming, or watching movies, in 3D.
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September 26, 2012 3:25:19 PM

Here is the newer build based on what you said, also, what do you mean "the use of a 3pak"? Please understand i am not an expert I am new and seeking guidance, I do not know all terms and parts/software. I assume that has to do with the Windows 7 I picked, however as i mentioned I will be waiting for windows 8 so not to worried about that right now. More so worried about getting the proper parts required for high end gaming and basic office / personal use. e.g. I wanna be able to get my work done then play Skyrim on highest settings with no lag.


CPU

Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core




CPU Cooler

Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM




Motherboard

Asus P8Z77-V PRO ATX LGA1155




Memory

G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600



Storage

OCZ Vertex 4 256GB 2.5" SSD




Video Card

Asus GeForce GTX 670 2GB




Case

Cooler Master Storm Trooper ATX Full Tower




Power Supply

XFX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V




Optical Drive

Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer




Operating System

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 3-Pack (64-bit)




Let me know if the parts you mentioned are here, and also why the GTX670 over the 7950 would be appreciated, I have heard reviews that the 3GB 7950 is superior to the GTX670 2GB. If you suggest this solely for 3D then I should mention again I do not use 3D and do not want to.
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September 26, 2012 3:45:23 PM

I understand how you feel about the i7. I too will get it for my new build but simply because I like the fact it's "i7" and I don't mind wasting the extra cash. So I won't stop you anymore there.
The GTX 670 is high-end, yes. And it outperforms the 7950 quite a bit.
Regardless, the 7950 is still a great card. Do note though that the 3gb and 2gb don't really matter if you're on 1 monitor. VRAM is only ever utilized when multiple monitors come into play.
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September 26, 2012 3:47:56 PM

Might I add you should drop Ripjaws X series and get either the Sniper or Ares because the Ripjaws' heat spreaders will be conflicting with your Noctua NH-D14 due to it being tall.
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September 26, 2012 4:09:25 PM

Ok, here is what I got from the partspicker site based on what you two have suggested. Also, should I get any compound glue or special tools? Or do I not need an unique tools for building this?


CPU

Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core




CPU Cooler

Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM




Motherboard

Asus P8Z77-V PRO ATX LGA1155




Memory

G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333




Storage

OCZ Vertex 4 256GB 2.5" SSD




Video Card

Asus GeForce GTX 670 2GB




Case

Cooler Master Storm Trooper ATX Full Tower



Power Supply

XFX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V




Optical Drive

Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer




Operating System

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 3-Pack (64-bit)

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September 26, 2012 4:13:12 PM

Anything else you guys think I should change or swap out (aside for i7 and the operating system, I plan on getting Windows 8 in October so no need to buy 7).

And anything I may encounter when building for the first time you think I should know about (like the special tools I asked about) and things beginners may not know or be confused by?
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September 26, 2012 5:02:16 PM

you need a screwdriver (phillips) and some cable ties.
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September 26, 2012 5:28:03 PM

Thats all? Excellent!
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September 26, 2012 5:29:39 PM

Excella1221 I swaped out for the Sniper, how does the build look to you guys now? More suitable for high end gaming? No conflicting parts?
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September 26, 2012 5:32:44 PM

the ripjaws fit under the d14.

also, take note that my friend can run skyrim at 1080p maxed out with a 6870 and a i5

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September 26, 2012 6:36:12 PM

So you would say that this build will handle any high end games for a few years? (high end games at least 3 years from now). And you think this config is good and will not have any conflicts with assembly?

Is it safe to assemble each part as i aquire it? It will likely take 2 months for me to get all the money for the parts and i want to put each part on the system as I aquire them. Is it ok to leave parts assembled for some time without being finished. (I would not turn it on of course until completion). I am sure it will be fine, but I am a "ask and be sure" kind of girl and like to be safe, especially with expensive parts.

Last question before I begin my project, where do you often buy your parts? Amazon? Newegg? I am looking for the CHEAPEST cost for the parts. I am also interested in new parts only, nothing used. I do not like or use eBay/PayPal. With that stuff in mind any suggestions where to aquire the parts at the cheapest prices (shipping included).
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September 26, 2012 7:52:37 PM

it will play most high end games for 3 years at high settings.

if you are buying part by part, id suggest getting the following given prices dont flictuate as much

ram
cooler
case
power supply
optical drive

the rest should be bought when you see a very good deal


there are no conflicts with what i suggested

to your build
1: get ripjaws 1600mhz
2: get a msi power edition gtx670 over the asus. asus is overrated on their video cards
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September 27, 2012 11:14:54 AM

I didnt see a msi in the parts list, but will look again. To be honest I am feelin a bit nervous about building it myself. Kinda freaked out I will put lots of money into it and not be able to assemble it. Perhaps I would put the parts in the wrong places or the wrong plugs in the wrong slots, etc. I saw some tutorials, but I do not even know how/where to install any needed drivers and what not. For a first timer I think I am just feelin a bit overwhelmed...
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September 27, 2012 12:36:09 PM

Do I need to find out to install these drivers for each componet? If drivers need to be installed before power up and booting of the OS how would that work? I think I will just have to have it built for me, every answer I get makes me have more questions.
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September 27, 2012 12:40:32 PM

I think it's a better idea if you built it yourself while under the supervision of a tech, and you can ask him questions along the way.
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