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September 25, 2012 11:12:20 PM

I am making a new PC and i have chosen these parts. If you can find anything better or the same, but cheaper, please let me know. I am making this a gaming build, and i prefer a build cheaper than $1100.

CPU: AMD FX-8150 Zambezi 3.6GHz Socket AM3+ 125W Eight-Core Desktop Processor FD8150FRGUBOX
Price: $189.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103960&Tpk=amd%20fx-8150

Motherboard: ASUS M5A97 R2.0 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
Price: $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131873

Video Card: GIGABYTE GV-N430-2GI GeForce GT 430 (Fermi) 2GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card
Price: $69.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125411

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL10D-16GBXL
Price: $69.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231489

SSD (this will contain the OS and important stuff): Intel 330 Series Maple Crest SSDSC2CT120A3K5 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
Price: $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167121

HDD (this will contain other games and junk): Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare
Drive
Price: $109.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Optical: HP 24X Multiformat DVD Burner 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black
SATA Model 1270i LightScribe Support
Price: $21.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827140041

Case: Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case with Upgraded USB 3.0
Price: $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021

I also have to buy a monitor, keyboard, mouse, wifi card, and the OS.

NOTE: I don't know what kind of power supply to buy and any suggestions would be very helpful. I plan on overclocking the CPU to 4.5Ghz and if there you guys can tell me how to overclock the GPU then I might do that too. And if you think there is something that I might need please respond!



Thanks a lot!

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September 25, 2012 11:32:32 PM

Well it seems my build is $200 cheaper and looks like it can run just as well. And I know Intel CPUs are better than AMD, but i just prefer to use AMD because they are cheaper. I might also get liquid cooling. And my build is $761.92 :) 
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September 25, 2012 11:41:34 PM

^^^ Agreed, you won't notice a different in 96% of games...
September 25, 2012 11:44:18 PM

I do think you need to get a bit better board then that Asus if you wish to overclock as 8150's are a bit phase hungary...

Also... You got to get a better video card my friend...
September 26, 2012 12:03:48 AM

FX-8350 is just around the corner...
September 26, 2012 12:10:31 AM

you said you want it for games and 7870 is 10 times faster than gt430.
September 26, 2012 12:11:03 AM

viktorbkk said:
FX-8350 is just around the corner...



Indeed, and even if you didn't want the 8350, maybe the 8150 will drop in price (unless they stop stocking it :)  )
September 26, 2012 12:12:01 AM

Thanks zloginet, I was wondering whether or not I should get a new MOBO and video card. But what I need is a suggestion on power supplies. And thank you oxford too!
September 26, 2012 12:59:51 AM

Thanks for the power supply! I just have to see if it is compatible with all of the new stuff I just looked at.
September 26, 2012 1:12:48 AM

yes it is compatible,and it would be enough for fx8150 and up to 300w graphics card
September 26, 2012 1:14:54 AM

I'd get an i5-3570K. Performs better.
September 26, 2012 1:23:44 AM

I am also currently looking into intel and i am deciding which one will be cheaper and perform almost the same.
September 26, 2012 1:46:07 AM
September 26, 2012 3:22:25 AM

*** Intel
September 26, 2012 3:56:48 AM

Give me a little time to throw together a complete intel build that is cost competitive and spanks your amd build, ok?
September 26, 2012 6:16:47 AM

I cheated a little. Many of the parts were already there from a previous build when I clicked the system build button on pcpartpicker. Here we go...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-2400 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.98 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI Z68A-G43 (G3) ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($82.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($38.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Kingston HyperX 3K 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($99.00 @ Adorama)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($177.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec Three Hundred Two ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: HP 1270i DVD/CD Writer ($26.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VH238H 23.0" Monitor ($129.98 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($90.95 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: AZIO Levetron Wired Gaming Keyboard ($41.19 @ NCIX US)
Mouse: Logitech G300 Wired Optical Mouse ($31.37 @ Amazon)
Total: $1088.95
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

Room left over to get a cheap wifi adapter. Let's break the parts down in a little more detail, shall we?

If i7 2700K can do alright at stock on the intel cooler, so can i5 2400 overclocked to the same speeds. Using z68's overclocking prowess, you can oc this
cpu up to its max turbo speed, and get that and a turbo bin for all four cores. That's awesome for gaming, and beats a phenom II at 4.5, let alone an
FX at the same speed. You can drop in an unlocked ivy cpu after a bios update if you want to later on(trades blows with fx8350 whose price has yet to
be determined). I don't suggest liquid cooling to anyone when an inexpensive cooler like hyper 212 does fine(especially if you add a second fan) without
the risks of leakage, radiator fan failure or pump failure. An aftermarket cooler isn't needed at this time since we are using the intel cooler. Moving on...

An inexpensive and feature rich z68 mobo that can push this cpu a little and others a lot more. You can add a gt610(30 bucks) for physx if you want.

When your board runs this ram at 1333, it will stay nice and cool. It's also ready to go if you drop in an ivy cpu down the road. Plenty for gaming.

Seagate is fine for a storage drive(you don't need top speed for pics, music and video). Should last longer since it won't get abused like the ssd.

This ssd is a great drive as far as both performance and reliability are concerned. Same capacity as the one you specced as well.

This gpu runs circles around your gt430. It's also highly overclockable. Use MSI Afterburner to tweak and Furmark to test(both are free downloads).

I find the feature set of the Antec 300 Two superior to many more expensive cases. It's easily modded and upgraded with greater cooling if you want.

This is an excellent psu. Plenty for this Sandy(or an OCed ivy later) and a future upgrade to hd7970.

This is a retail dvd burner with all the software and cables you need to get going right away(mobo only comes with 2 sata cables. 1 for ssd, 1 for hdd)

1080p, good pixel density, fast, built in speakers, led backlight for lower power use and less weight to haul to lan parties, highly recommended.

What other os is there for gaming nowadays beside microsoft windows 7 home premium sp1 64bit oem?

Backlit keyboard with macro keys and a button that turns off the often cursed windows button.

Optical mouse with several programmable buttons(like fast dpi switch) for use with either hand.

That about does it. I hope you like this assembly of parts as much as I enjoyed putting them together for you.
September 26, 2012 10:46:23 AM

Thanks for your help I think that I will be going Intel then XD
September 26, 2012 11:02:25 AM

@jtenorj, so, your suggesting a locked CPU to go with a motherboard built for OCing? No no. H77 is what he needs. (Dont even know how you are even going to OC that 2400, since you CANT. Turbo boost is what your talking about? Its completely different from OCing.) Also, get Ivy Bridge, will last longer than Sandy and its more efficient. (i5 3450-3570 is where its at. :D )

You may get me wrong on this, but upgrading to Ivy LATER isnt going to be a good idea. Next year, Intels new Haswell chips will be released and there will be a new socket (1150) which will result in a new motherboard too.
September 26, 2012 11:31:52 AM

Locked down i5s and i7s with turbo boost do have limited overclocking ability(up to the max turbo bin) on boards that support it(like z68). They don't have
fully unlocked multipliers like the k processors do, but you can push them a little higher than how they come from the factory. If by last longer you are
referring to ivy having pcie 3.0, that only matters when you are running sli/crossfire at eyefinity res(or whatever nvidia calls their version of the same).

I don't suggest sli/crossfire to anyone due to some games not supporting the tech, possible micro stuttering(which won't be the issue on 1 gpu that it would
be on 2 or more), more power, heat, and physical space, the need for a more expensive mobo that supports the tech, and more electronic waste in the end.

I don't like eyefinity or equivalent right now because of bezels mostly. I believe the cpu also has to work 3 times as hard to deliver basic geometry for the
gpu(s) to rasterize(when you game with a certain aspect ratio, the cpu/game knows that and(keeping track of all that is going on around) only send to the
gpu the basic geometry data required to fill the viewing arc that will be displayed on the monitor). In eyefinity(or equivalent), u triple the aspect ratio(most
people who game that way do so in 3x landscape side by side versus 3x portrait side by side) making the cpu have to figure and send 3x the data. That is
where pcie 3.0 comes in. On LGA1155, the cpu has either 16 lanes of version 2.0 or 16 lanes of version 3.0 internally which are split when running sli/cross-
fire. The bandwidth of 8 3.0 lanes is the same as 16 2.0 lanes so is little or no bottleneck, while a 2.0 setup has half the bandwidth to work with in the same
scenario. Actually, the video cards work a bit harder than is required since the total res they account for at eyefinity res(or equivalent) includes the bezels
between screens where no pixels will end up being rendered. It's just more data for the gpu(s) to sort out which drops performance even more.

If you are talking about the cpu itself, I think sandy will live longer than ivy since its fluxless solder will let heat more easily escape through the integrated
heat spreader(IHS) and cpu cooler compared to ivy with its crap thermal interface material(TIM) inside that keeps heat from escaping. Edit: ur rite about efficency.

Edit: It's been almost 2 years since sandy launched, and you won't have much trouble finding one of them.

@hutthutt12:Glad you liked my post. You should enjoy your intel build immensely.
September 26, 2012 11:55:23 AM

No, what I mean by Ivys lasting longer is that they are newer technology, despite being just a bit better than Sandy. Turbo Boost is very different from OCing, since you cannot OC locked processors. If anything, all you will get is ~.3 or so increase in clock speed, and you will NOT see much improvement.

Turbo Boost technology explained: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/forced-induction-intel-tur...
Check out this thread: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/302423-28-2400-overcl...
September 26, 2012 3:58:53 PM

I wonder if you read all the stuff in the links you just posted. It seems i5 2400 can hit almost 4ghz when only one core is loaded when you both oc by
the max number of speed bins allowed and change the base clock from 100 to 105(with a little extra voltage thrown in). I'm sorry, OP. I forgot to check
the wikipedia page listing all core i5 processors and their specs. i5 2400 has a little bit different boost speeds than slightly faster processors(1,2,2 and 3
bins for 4,3,2, or 1 cores vs 1,2,3 and 4 bins for 4,3,2 or 1 core cores). You can still set the max multiplier for 3.8(single core) which gets you 3.4 as a
base for 4 cores (runs all of them at 3.5 in pretty much everything). I wouldn't mess with the base clocks for stability reasons, but you can if you want
(letting you go even faster than I originally thought). So you won't reach the stock performance of i7 2700k, just that of i7 2600(k) and i5 2550k(or higher
than i7 2700k if you up the base clock to 105 with a little extra voltage). I don't know exactly how much faster Phenom II is than bulldozer FX ipc wise,
but I imagine this new slightly lower overclock on i5 2400 will still beat fx8150 at 4.5ghz(or beat it even more if you use a 105mhz base clock). Overclocking
on bulldozer is not guaranteed anyway, so you might not even hit 4.5 going that route(if you stick to air over liquid like suggested). This i5 2400 oc looks
to be a sure thing. And like one of the links in there said, sandy i5 is so fast at stock that you don't need to worry about bottlenecks there anyway.

Edit: Oh, yeah. a 890mhz overclock is not a .3% boost in performance. It is much larger than that. Ivy has nothing over sandy except pcie 3.0(pretty worthless
right now as explained), DDR3 1600 support(a very small performance bump) and 22nm trigate tech(meaningless and possibly why ivy is stuck with crap TIM
inside instead of the far superior fluxless solder inside inside all previous intel cpus like sandy).
September 26, 2012 8:01:31 PM

ASUS Sabertooth 990FX AM3+ AMD 990FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

189.99, comes with 40$ in free 8gigs of ram, right now, which makes it 5$ less than the m5mobo, and is supposed to be better for overclocking.

Also, I've *heard* that 8gb is all you need for gaming. SSD, DVD drive, HD, can all be grabbed on sale, for less, or off Amazon (new) for less, at times.(specific to the SSD) I see on newegg DVD drives going for 16$ on the weekly deals. SSD can be had for 80 same size.

COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

can be had for 54.99 until 0ct 1st.

So basically, if you do all that, you'll save about 100$, which you can then put towards a better video card. If you're not holding out for piledriver, and want a BD for gaming, get the FX4170, it's 70 bucks cheaper.

Between the FX4170, savings on case, memory, ssd, dvd drive, HD, and your budget for a vid card(70), you should have enough for a GTX 660:

MSI N660 TF 2GD5 GeForce GTX 660 2GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card 229.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It handles just under the 660 ti, and will be within 1 tier of it on the hierarchy chart,
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...

while being atleast 4 steps above the gt 430

The options I've got listed would reduce your bottlenecking from GPU, and allow you to play prettymuch any new game comfortably. I put together a thread last night:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/364533-31-building-10...

for the full build I came up with. I'm holding out for a Piledriver, personally
September 26, 2012 8:08:30 PM

And for cooler and powersupply, you could pull the ones off my build list, they are both highly rated, and considered "safe", to use. I know my psu is a bit overkill for just a 660/660 ti, but I prefer the head room it leaves me for future builds, and it's modular(meaning less wires having to find a place to hide to avoid interrupting airflow)
September 26, 2012 9:41:06 PM

@jtenorj, I do read everything on there, wouldnt post it if I didnt. Turbo Boost only kicks in when the processor isnt at max TDP yet, you can only manually turn ON Turbo Boost. And lastly, a 100Mhz OC isnt going to give you much. You wouldnt even notice it even if you only have two cores active. (3.7GHz, if I so remember. 3.6, I dont know. :D ) Most it would give him is 5FPS increase. :p 

And if youre talking about BLCK OCing, its risky. :)  Read the whole thread I linked.
September 26, 2012 10:09:01 PM

I did read through both links. I even read the links in the links. 3.1 for quad(3.2 turbo quad) to 3.4quad(3.5 turbo quad) is about a 10% difference.
The difference that would make in a game depends on the game. I said I wouldn't adjust base clock myself, but op is welcome to try. Easily reversible.

On a different note, someone suggested an FX4170. I suggest they take a look at this:

http://techreport.com/review/23246/inside-the-second-ga...

x4 980(ie 965BE with a few extra bins on the stock cooler) spanks FX4170. i5 2400(in stock form) spanks x4 980, and i7 2600k(i5 2400 pushed
to its limits without changing base clock) beats itself. That doesn't sound quite right, but it is.
September 26, 2012 10:47:14 PM

See, what I found was this:

http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/amd_fx_815...

Which swayed me towards the fx4170. $20 more, for almost identical performance, but me thinks the newer tech will have more support eventually, and it can be clocks more, which he said he was planning on doing. Also, I'm holding for Piledriver. But if he has an $1100 budget, either is better than an FX8150, on a gaming rig, because he can take that extra 70-90 saved on chips of essentially equal performance, and put it towards a better GPU. An FX-4170 cranked to 4.5 is likely to give better performance, and less heat, then an FX8150, which is the big point.

Don't forget, that the chart you link is performance per price, and the prices have dropped since that chart was made.
September 27, 2012 2:32:03 AM

Actually, that article I linked is pretty recent. I only linked the last page, but the whole article is a good read(as are all of the gpu reviews there for the
last year or so). Also, they showed the launch prices in that chart, but 965BE is cheaper and faster than FX4170. It also has higher ipc and more over-
clocking potential. They can't catch an i5 quad at stock, but i5 is a lot more expensive. I have a few issues with the benchmarks you linked. One is that
after flipping through all the pages, I couldn't find what gpu they used for game testing. Another is listing only average frame rates. Techreport has
shown how simple fraps data does not paint the clearest picture of performance in a game. They measure how long each frame takes to render, which
can point to deficiencies on a part that may otherwise have a decent fraps score. An example is one frame that takes a very long time to render with

(I am inserting a wedge in this wall of text in an attempt to make it a bit easier to read. Not sure if it's better or worse that way, though)

very short render times before and/or after all in the same second(giving a relatively high fps score for that second in fraps). Another part might have a
bit slower rendering times in the same second, but no large latency spikes that can be felt while gaming like the first part. Despite having a lower score in
fraps, the second part will deliver a smoother game play experience(minimum frame rate is a very important metric besides just average frame rate,
but even it can't tell you the whole story based on the above). The fx8150(or even the 8120) is a pretty horrible processor price/performance wise for
gaming right now. FX4170 fares ok next to i3 thanks to its very high stock clock(4ghz+ base, a little faster in boost mode) but with such low ipc, a nudge
to 4.5ghz won't do a lot to help performance much over stock speed. With any budget close to 1k or more, an i5 quad is the way to go. No reason for amd

FX4170 is not a true quad core, despite what amd says. With 2 cores in a module sharing resources, a module is more akin to a hyper threaded intel
core. So a "quad core"(dual module) fx cpu is like an hyper threaded intel dual core (i3). FX has a higher clockspeed but lower ipc and higher tdp
because it has both much less L1 cache than Phenom/Athlon II and a longer pipeline(like pentium 4/D vs athlon 64/x2). What were they thinking?

Thankfully for amd, tweaks made in the basic architecture for use in piledriver seem to have boosted ipc surprisingly well. But what will the pricing be?

fyi, the i5 655k in the chart I linked represents LGA1155 i3s in those tests.

Edit: with a minimal budget(say 500-750) you need to make each dollar count. so you go amd and overclock. if you have a higher budget, you can go i5 quad
and not have to overclock. You may not have as much budget for a gpu, but you will be less likely to be bottlenecked than with amd. If I had 1500 to build a new
system with everything(all the stuff inside the case plus os, monitor, mouse, keyboard and headset) I'd go 2500k/z68, hd7970(not ghz ed), a cheap 1920x1200
panel and overclock both the cpu and gpu. Probably a 120GB+ssd, a 1TB+hdd(or 2 for raid 1), 8GB DDR3 1333, xfx 550w, antec 300 two, and a blu-ray burner.
Logitech g500 mouse and not sure about which keyboard or headset. Maybe an extra fan or 2. Hyper 212 cpu cooler. why I just spewed out a wish list, idk.
September 27, 2012 4:58:47 AM

I'm with ya, I am. I am personally going AMD but holding out for Piledriver. Phenom 2 or FX-4170, either would make a better gaming option than 8150, which was the point I was trying to make to him. Just because of heat and power, for no real benefit. And yeah, I5 is better, but in general, I prefer AMD, and the difference is the difference between good gaming, and good gaming. The only real difference between buying the newest AMD and the last gen midrange Intel, is that after all you'll still have room for a little bit extra on the AMD towards a GPU, which makes more of a difference in gaming. Especially if you go Phenom 2, because it's 20 bucks less.
September 27, 2012 10:10:11 AM

He could buy a cheap FX and upgrade to Piledriver when it comes out, since Im pretty sure Piledriver is already confirmed for AM3+.
September 27, 2012 2:52:35 PM

Piledriver will definitely be on am3+(MAY require a bios update). A quick look at pcpartpicker.com shows 955BE for 86.99 at superbiiz(costs too much for
shipping and I'm pretty sure that part is 140w, not 125), 965BE is 89.99 at ncix(orders of 50 buck or more get shipped free, but the sale price ends after
Friday), FX4100 is 89.99 at microcenter(need to live close to one or pay for shipping) and A8 3870K is 99.00 with free shipping after a 10 dollar promo
code that lasts through Sunday on newegg. pcpartpicker is wrong about 965BE. All the sites that have it list it as 125w. Worth the extra cost for the extra
stock speed, anyway. FX6100 is 104.99 with free shipping after a 15 dollar promo code(thru Sunday) at newegg. Both 555BE and 560BE(unlocked dual
cores that might become quads after some tinkering) are both on order at macconnection for 101.23 and 108.77 respectively with free shipping. 960T BE
(unlocked x4 that might become an x6) is on back order for 118.24 with free shipping at ncix. FX4170 is 119.98 with free shipping at ncix(it's a penny
more at newegg). FX6200 is 139.99 with free shipping after a 15 dollar promo code good through Monday at newegg. The oem 960T(no cooler included)
is 145.98 with free shipping at ncix. x6 1055T(which was overclocked to 4ghz+ in one of the 1k system builder guides here at tom's) is on back order for
149.00 with free shipping at ncix. 975BE is on back order for 149.98 with free shipping at ncix. FX8120 is 159.99 with free shipping at newegg(or 139.99
in store only at microcenter). There's little reason to spend 20 bucks more on fx8150, and really no good reason to spend more than 90 bucks on 965BE.

For gaming, anyway. Once you get up to 175-180, you are in lower end i5 territory(which don't require an aftermarket cooler to reach their potential like
pretty much all of the amd processors do, albeit with a relatively inexpensive one like hyper tx3 or a hyper 212). The main difference between plus and
evo is the fan. Both are 12cm, but the plus is a bit slower(a little less air flow but a bit quieter) while the evo is a bit faster(a little more airflow but a
little louder). Generally, I'd go with plus if it's quite a bit cheaper than evo, or evo if they are priced close to the same. Hyper tx3 is far superior to any
amd or intel boxed cooler, but it is inferior to either hyper 212(3 copper heat pipes vs 4, 92mm fan vs 120mm, smaller aluminum heatsink with less
surface area for cooling). It is pretty cheap, though. Back to piledriver. Performance looks promising, but how much will amd charge for that performance?

Tests show that hyper threading does little for game performance, and your best bet now and going forward is at least a quad core(maybe a 6 core in
a few situations). You can get an amd x6(which is a waste for most games) or a 3930K(between 500 and 600 plus the x79 mobo) for threaded work.

Again, if a person has the budget for it, they can go with an i5 and not have to mess with overclocking. If the budget is tight, they should go with x4 BE
and a cooler to overclock it. A feature rich am3+ mobo that can overclock is pretty cheap. H77 with features and no overclocking is pretty cheap. Or you
can get a feature rich z68 that can overclock 2500k(on sale for 159.99 at microcenter sometimes) for pretty cheap. That'd require a better cooler, though.

Edit: I guess I meant to include the part about the tx3 and 212s in another post on another thread. No biggie. Still good information for those unaware.
September 27, 2012 5:54:18 PM

Honestly, if you plan to upgrade to piledriver, don't buy now. It's supposed to be out in less than a month, and you'd be buying a chip then immediately replacing it.
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