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September 26, 2012 9:57:23 AM

Approximate Purchase Date: e.g.: this week

Budget Range: $300-$400 Before / After Rebates; Before / After Shipping

System Usage from Most to Least Important: surfing the internet, watching movies, gaming

Are you buying a monitor: No



Parts to Upgrade: CPU, mobo, RAM

Do you need to buy OS: No

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: irrelevant

Location: Vilnius, Lithuania, but its irrelevant think.

Parts Preferences: AMD

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Additional Comments:
Not very power consuming. So that GTA5 would be playable. I have ATI HD4850 512MB and hope to reuse. Also would like to know what PSU is required.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading:
PC outdated, any upgrade means mobo change. Want faster system. Want to play GTA5 when it available.

GIGABYTE GA-970A-UD3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
AMD FX-6100 Zambezi 3.3GHz Socket AM3+ 95W Six-Core Desktop Processor FD6100WMGUSBX
a b B Homebuilt system
September 26, 2012 11:44:58 AM

whats your current full system?
September 26, 2012 12:12:25 PM

I am not at my PC right now.
But more or less my current system is:
mobo: bibabyte sock 939
cpu: athlon 2x 3600+
gpu: ati HD4850
ram: 4gb drr400
hdd: sata 1TB+
psu: 650w (is dont remember now, might by 550w or 750w :)  )
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a b B Homebuilt system
September 26, 2012 12:17:30 PM

You need to tell us if your overclocking or planning SLI/Xfire BEFORE anyone can make any suggestions.

Maybe doesn't work, it's a yes or no answer.

However, with $350 to spend, you can answer yes to both questions and still fit your budget.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $35

$345

*I would recommend and aftermarket heatsink like a Coolermaster Hyper 212 or Evo if you plan to overclock to 4ghz.
September 26, 2012 2:14:59 PM

I like geeks suggestions, except you won't be able to OC (not that you would need to, it's fast)
September 26, 2012 2:47:36 PM

I would like to have The option to oc, and generaly system thst can be upgraded without mobo change, and i need amd system, because intel is much more expensive Where i live. But thanks for sugestion
a b B Homebuilt system
September 26, 2012 3:12:04 PM

doct3rphil said:
I like geeks suggestions, except you won't be able to OC (not that you would need to, it's fast)



.....and why wouldn't he be able to overclock? :pt1cable: 

For your budget, you want Intel. FX6100 is a horrible choice for a gaming computer, you would be better off with Intel Pentium G dual core.
a b B Homebuilt system
September 26, 2012 3:24:25 PM

Hi this is pretty much the best you can do as fasr as AMD systems go.
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=64404&vpn=FD8150FRGUBO...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=62416&vpn=M5A99X%20EVO...

But in my opinion it would be best if you wait a bit for AMD's new CPU's to come out which will be fairly soon.They will perform better and consume less power.

But since Intel's CPU's perform a bit better than AMD's CPU's at gaming
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4350/amd_fx_8150_bulld...
The difference isnt big but it's there.
What in my opinion you should wait for AMD's new CPU's but if you really need to buy something now then you should buy an Intel instead.

http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=57962&vpn=BX80623I5250...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
a b B Homebuilt system
September 26, 2012 3:39:33 PM

We have already seen Piledriver benchmarks, they are pretty week. If your talking about waiting for Steamroller, well that could be a long time since you can't even get a desktop Piledriver yet.
September 26, 2012 4:36:28 PM

Well it would be enough to upgrade at least so that i could play gta5 when it comes out.
a b B Homebuilt system
September 26, 2012 4:42:59 PM

aladin777 said:
Well it would be enough to upgrade at least so that i could play gta5 when it comes out.


What be enough to upgrade?
September 26, 2012 5:51:29 PM

I dont want to build super gaming system, just enough that I could play gta5 when it comes out :) . And that I could upgrade it later without a need to change mobo.
a b B Homebuilt system
September 26, 2012 8:00:55 PM

aladin777 said:
I dont want to build super gaming system, just enough that I could play gta5 when it comes out :) . And that I could upgrade it later without a need to change mobo.


I made my suggestions. Any FX is horrible for gaming.

You will have to replace the motherboard to upgrade the cpu no matter which way you go. That's just the way it is.
a b B Homebuilt system
September 26, 2012 8:15:15 PM

geekapproved said:
I made my suggestions. Any FX is horrible for gaming.

You will have to replace the motherboard to upgrade the cpu no matter which way you go. That's just the way it is.



An FX is horrible for gaming how exactly? It may not be the best gaming cpu but you try to make it sound as if these cpu's will not game at all. Some could care less about losing 10-20 fps in games so long as they play them. Are intel chips better for gaming? Yes that is not questionable right now. Does that mean amd cpu's can not play games? Not at all and many play them well just asnot as well as an intel cpu does.

And why would they need to replace a motherboard with nothing wrong with it to fit in a new cpu that is the same chip set as their motherboard? Many 1155 boards can fit celeron i3 i5 i7 sandy bridge and some sandy bridge motherboards with a bios upgrade even an ivy bridge. So no you do not always have to replace a motherboard for a new cpu.
a b B Homebuilt system
September 27, 2012 3:10:06 AM

You missed the point. If he buys a AM3+ mobo and FX cpu, and wants to upgrade, he needs a new mobo.

If he buys a s1155 mobo with a Ivy bridge cpu, he'll need to buy a new motherboard to upgrade that. Not sure what part you didn't get.

How is FX horrible for gaming? Read the benchmarks, a simple Pentium G dual core beats most FX cpu's in most games, not all, but most.

Read Tom's "best gaming cpu's for the money", you'll learn something.
a b B Homebuilt system
September 27, 2012 11:58:20 AM

geekapproved said:
You missed the point. If he buys a AM3+ mobo and FX cpu, and wants to upgrade, he needs a new mobo.

If he buys a s1155 mobo with a Ivy bridge cpu, he'll need to buy a new motherboard to upgrade that. Not sure what part you didn't get.

How is FX horrible for gaming? Read the benchmarks, a simple Pentium G dual core beats most FX cpu's in most games, not all, but most.

Read Tom's "best gaming cpu's for the money", you'll learn something.



I have read up on the fx chips but have you? http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-7-hotfix-bu...

I have not seen a review of them yet that says they can not play games. Only reviews where they compare them to intel chips and where they talk of power consumption and fps. And how intel performs better in games. Some people could care less about power consumption and a loss of a few fps. Some people have a preference for amd over intel for various reasons.

If you care about nothing but power consumption and the best possible fps then yes intel is your only choice. And amd is about ready to release 3 new fx am3+ cpu's in October and 5 more in December. So why would they need a new mobo if they bought an am3+ board already? http://www.cpu-world.com/Releases/Desktop_CPU_releases_(2012).html

And on the reviews here on recommended cpu they solely look at price versus performance and the fps and power consumption play a role in that. In no way does that mean the fx are horrible or that they will not game. It only means that many intel chips that are cheaper give a better fps and so give a better price versus performance in games. Some people just like the amd brand as well as their overclocking capabilities. It is just like the old argument of chevy versus ford and personal preferences come into play.

They each have their pros and cons. But both do the job. Intel does a much better job with fps. But out side of gaming their performances are a different story. Would i recommend an FX build over an intel build for best possible performance in gaming? No not at all. But that in no way means that the FX chip can not game at all or that it can not game well.

And yes the new haswell chips will use a new socket. But why would you need a new mobo to replace an i3 2100 with lets say an i5 2500? Both are 1155 so why would you need a new mobo? Some people don't try to chase the dragon in that they do not try to upgrade to the newest and best cpu when they come out. Some people skip a few generations of cpu's before upgrading. With an 1155 mobo you have alot of choices to upgrade from. And with the am3+ and the new cpu's coming out you have quite a few choices there as well without getting a new mobo.

"You will have to replace the motherboard to upgrade the cpu no matter which way you go. That's just the way it is."

That is a bold statement that does not necessarily ring true. Many other elements come in to play when upgrading to a new cpu. So it does not mean you always have to get a new mobo to upgrade your cpu. And that is what i am pointing out.
September 27, 2012 1:08:20 PM

I don't agree to the any FX is horrible for gaming i have FX-8150 and so far i have noticed no substantial loss of fps if anything the difference between me and i7 users are 1/2 fps at best. Also you must note that there are very few games out there that are CPU intensive as compared to GPU intensive so the graphic card is a'lot more important than the CPU. Personally been loving my FX so far and it multitasks miles ahead of intel systems ( don't argue with me about it i also own an i7 build and i've built many at the store were i work). So if you are a fan of AMD i would go for it the overall smoothness of the computer is insane. The only game that's worth mentioning that an FX can hinder you is probably shogun 2 and even there i am pulling way above 180FPS so it doesn't really matter.
a b B Homebuilt system
September 27, 2012 2:38:49 PM




Uninformed? You do realize the fx cpu was not designed with gaming in mind right? You are trying to say that the fx cpu is unacceptable as a gaming cpu. Yet it does game and game well. Why not look into things further? Did you know that the fx chips keep up with and at times surpass the intel chips in other applications? And did you know that amd have openly stated that they are not trying to compete with intel at the high end any more? And that the biggest baddest cpu amd has released was released to compete with the i5 2500?

Did you know that the amd fx was designed to allow for over clocking to 4.8 on just air cooling? I'm sure you do as you are so informed that you make comments such as:

"You will have to replace the motherboard to upgrade the cpu no matter which way you go. That's just the way it is."

http://www.hardwarereview.net/Reviews/AMD%20Bulldozer/A...

Like i said before though. They may not be the best gaming cpu's (intel still has that) but these cpu's do game and game well.

Edited to add:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o... Did you bother to check the next page? The 4170 tied with the i3 3220 for best cpu for gaming in the $125 range.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-4100-core-i3-210... This article and this http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a... are reviews from the same exact person >_<

And the http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a... easilly shows that the fx chips can stand toe to toe with the intel on gaming. Are they passing them? No. But are the intel cpu's performing twice as good as the fx cpu's that were designed to compete with? No. The biggest fx was designed to compete with the i5 2500 and in that they do well.

And both of those articles are from before Feb 23 of this year. And at a time where the os (windows) was not very compatible with them and did not know how to read them and at a time when mobos were not as well designed to deal with the fx line.

The i5 2500k at 4ghz 25 fps average in star craft 2 and hit 60.4. The 8120 hit 17 for average and was hitting 47.7. So the i5 2500k had 8 more fps average and 12.7 more fps gain. That is one example. So yes the intel chips give more fps then an fx but not by any huge margins (i've lost that much fps in games by a program running in the background).

But like i said they do game and game well. They might not be ground breaking or trouncing intel cpu's. But then again amd is no longer trying to compete with intel at the high end any way.
a b B Homebuilt system
September 27, 2012 4:49:19 PM

There not trying to compete with Intel in the high end anymore. LOOOOOL

That's because they can't.

The FX4100 at 4.5ghz still get's beat in gaming by a 3.1ghz i3-2100, as you can see from the chart I posted.

Tom's tested all the latest patches with Windows and FX still fails, read the article.

Your a waste of my time, you have no idea what your talking about.
a b B Homebuilt system
September 27, 2012 5:08:34 PM

in the meantime, this flamewar has not helped the OP's initial problem. With a Socket 939 system, he may need to almost buy a whole system, except his HD 4850 -- which should have performance between a 6670 and 7750 today. Passable, but not great.

here's my suggested $350:

A10-5600: $120-ish
FM2 motherboard: $60-ish
4 GB DDR3-1600: $25-ish
500 GB Drive: $55-ish
Corsair CX 430W: $25 after rebate
HD 7750: $85

total about $370

the crossfired 7750 and HD 7660 should be better than his 4850.

the A10 system and boards should be available on the 2nd, next tuesday
a b B Homebuilt system
September 27, 2012 5:10:00 PM

geekapproved said:
There not trying to compete with Intel in the high end anymore. LOOOOOL

That's because they can't.

The FX4100 at 4.5ghz still get's beat in gaming by a 3.1ghz i3-2100, as you can see from the chart I posted.

Tom's tested all the latest patches with Windows and FX still fails, read the article.

Your a waste of my time, you have no idea what your talking about.


You're.

Also, why the fanboy hate? He's just saying that an FX chip can still game, he has admitted over and over again that Intel processors are better. Chill.
a b B Homebuilt system
September 27, 2012 5:53:47 PM

And you are still arguing over a few fps? And you think amd can not compete? Their earlier cpu's are still working including my amd athlon 64 x2 4400+ toledo and blew away the old pentium chips forcing intel to up their a game which was a plus for all as the technology advancements as well the competition forced intel to push their development and lower prices.

I owned a pentium 4 that burned up in less then a year. Replaced it with my current cpu and could not of been happier i've yet to find one game that my old cpu can not play. It may not have high fps but it works and that is all that matters.

But there seems to be no way of getting it into your head that the fx line while not the best gaming cpu does handle it and plays well. There is no debating that intel has a superior gaming cpu. All i tried to do was to get you to understand that to some people a few fps gains in games means next to nothing.

My apologies to the op. And i would say to hold off a month if doing an fx build as the next line up releases in October and may have more to offer you. But then again it may not. But if i were doing an amd build i to would hold off to just see what the new cpu's bring into the mix.

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-FX-Series%2...

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-FX-Series%2...

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-FX-Series%2...

Plus the prices will probably move around a bit making your purchases maybe even a little bit cheaper.

In december

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-FX-Series%2...

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-FX-Series%2...

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-FX-Series%2...

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-FX-Series%2...

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-FX-Series%2...

If you could hold off till Jan or so those may come into play on better performance and prices as well. But honestly its your choice.
September 27, 2012 8:23:41 PM

Thank you all for great answers, I am thinking about going with AMD FX-4170 CPU and GIGABYTE GA-970A-UD3 AM3+ mobo for 268$ just need ram or wait for something better soon?

I am looking just for minimal upgrade, so cpu, mobo ram, later I can upgrade gpu if needed and cpu. My psu 650w coba will be ebough I think.

I will be using it firstly for movies, then internet and other stuff, and thirdly for games, so gaming performence is not top priority.

Last question is about RAM, if i by 1866Mhz ram, will dual channel work with them, because specification is confusing about this topic.
a b B Homebuilt system
September 27, 2012 8:57:03 PM

Aladin: my A10 build will be better than the 4170. Trinity uses the next generation ahead of bulldozer, and comes out in 5 days if you don't need the PSU, then
A10-5700K $135
AS Rock FM2 board: $70
8 GB DDR3-1600: $40
HD 7750: $85

$330

October 4, 2012 8:20:01 AM

So A10-5800k has arrived to my country, so I am thinking of buying this APU, just can't decide on mobo.
Any suggestions?
a b B Homebuilt system
October 4, 2012 1:06:53 PM

ScrewySqrl suggested a good path for you i would just switch out the a10-5700k for the a10-5800k as the board they chose is a decent fm2 socket board.
October 4, 2012 1:20:57 PM

ScrewySqrl did not suggest specific mobo.
a b B Homebuilt system
October 4, 2012 1:34:58 PM

I can now:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($124.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($25.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A75M-DGS Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard ($65.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($42.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 6670 1GB Video Card ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $334.94
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

apparently the 7750 will NOT operate in hybrid crossfire, so I put in a 6670. in hybrid crossfire this should be similar to your hd 4850, maybe a few FPS slower, but will take Direct X 11
June 5, 2013 1:06:09 PM

Disregarding the flame war i stand by AMD the entire way. You can game on them like a boss don't let that deter you from buying one. ScrewySqrl has it right i support his answer.
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