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September 26, 2012 3:36:50 PM

Hello, first and foremost I'm from Portugal, I'm 20 and I've been following this website for quite some time now, I've assembled an idea for a build, which is the most budget-orientated but efficient as possible (I think). :) 

I checked the stickied thread and I'll try to follow it's parameters, so here goes:

Approximate Purchase Date:
As soon as I have the money, so in a few months time (4-8).

Budget Range:
Around 700-800 € (For the main build, Case, Mobo, RAM, GPU, CPU, HDD)

System Usage from Most to Least Important:
From Gaming to Gaming. :) 

Are you buying a monitor:
Yes (I'm fine with a 18.5 or 19" one (LED Preferably))

Parts to Upgrade:
Everything, a completly new build.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts:
http://www.globaldata.pt/
http://www.pcdiga.com/index
http://chiptec.net/

(I know.. I know, they're in Portuguese, but I'm not shipping overseas and these stores are ones I can reach with public transportation /and/or by foot).

Location:
Montijo, Setúbal, Portugal. :kaola: 

Parts Preference:
Intel for CPU, LC-Power for PSU.

Overclocking:
Nah.

SLI or Crossfire:
Later on.

Your Monitor Resolution:
I'm fine with native resolutions of 1366x768.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading:
Can't game today's decent titles.

Aditional Info:

My current build (set up by my father in early 2007):









P.S. The GPU's an ASUS EN 8600 GT.
The monitor I have right now supports 1280x1024 and is an acer AL1716.


It's outdated, and I need something new. :??: 

What I want, is this:

CASE: (Cheapest possible but not TOO cheap (As in NOX Zen, lol)
Coolermaster Elite 372
CPU: (No OC required, tempting, but I'm happy with a 3450)
INTEL CORE i5 3450 (3.1GHZ) SKT 1155
MOBO: (As recommended by one of Tom's Hardware articles, any other MOBO choice is accepted)
ASROCK Z77 EXTREME4
PSU: (Heard good things about this PSU, plus the 80 PLUS sticker warrants my purchase)
LC-POWER 650W GREEN POWER V2.3
RAM: (I only go for Corsair Memory Sticks, nothing else (maybe Kingston))
CORSAIR KIT 4GB DDR3 1600MHZ VENGEANCE (CL9 - 1.5V)
GPU: (I'd like nVidia if possible)
SAPPHIRE TECHNOLOGY Radeon HD 7850 - 2 GB GDDR5 - PCI-Express 3.0
HDD: (Don't need more than 500GB)
WESTERN DIGITAL 500GB SATA III 16MB
SSD: (Later Buy)
CORSAIR SSD 60GB FORCE SATA III
CPU COOLER: (Later Buy/ When the Intel's Stock one puffs)
ARCTIC COOLING ALPINE 11 PRO REV 2
SOUND SYSTEM 2.1: (Possible later buy, I mainly use my Headset now but I'd like something to watch movies with someone)
LOGITECH LS21
MONITOR: (I don't dislike my acer.. But I love LED's, see where I'm going?)
Asus LED 18.5" Black (AS VW197DR BK/5MS/EU)

P.S. All the names were copy-pasted from vendor websites (that's why they look so "dorky").

Now I have a couple' a questions.
1#: I've seen a couple of good cards that stand up to 7850's prowess with only 1GB of GDDR5. My question is, is that 1GB really worth the price tag? I know for certain that VRAM has impact on two major things, Resolution and Anti-Aliasing (two things I love to max out) but seeing as I'll (probably) stick to 1366x768 for quite some time, would the leap to 2GB make a diference?

2#:: 4GB's RAM is nowadays the recommended for gaming, but a lot of gamers jump to 8GB, why? The more, the merrier, I know, but why not be a lil' more subtle?

3#: I'm stoked to get an OCZ Agility 3 since it's cheaper, or a Corsair Nova 30GB for the sole porpuse of my O.S. Any thoughts on this?

I think.. That's it. Any tips, ideas or opinions? Thanks you guys. :) 
September 26, 2012 5:34:14 PM

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1#: I've seen a couple of good cards that stand up to 7850's prowess with only 1GB of GDDR5. My question is, is that 1GB really worth the price tag? I know for certain that VRAM has impact on two major things, Resolution and Anti-Aliasing (two things I love to max out) but seeing as I'll (probably) stick to 1366x768 for quite some time, would the leap to 2GB make a diference?


That depends on resolution. If you're not running ultra high resolutions you won't need more than 1GB. If you want to run higher than that, you will need a 2GB card.

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2#:: 4GB's RAM is nowadays the recommended for gaming, but a lot of gamers jump to 8GB, why? The more, the merrier, I know, but why not be a lil' more subtle?


BF3 and a lot of other resource intensive games will use at minimum 6GB so it helps to have more.

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3#: I'm stoked to get an OCZ Agility 3 since it's cheaper, or a Corsair Nova 30GB for the sole porpuse of my O.S. Any thoughts on this?


There's better SSD choices than the Agility 3 - and 30GB will not get you very far, especially when you take into account formatting will leave you with ~26.5GB and a Windows install will take at least 20GB. If you're getting an SSD you want minimum 64GB, 128GB would be ideal.

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I think.. That's it. Any tips, ideas or opinions? Thanks you guys. :) 


First off - Arctic Cooling fans are overpriced junk. There's far better in this field like the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo or the Noctua NH-U9B. But if you're not going to overclock skip the cooler entirely and put the difference back in the GPU.

Second - If you're not going to overclock there's no point in getting a Z77 motherboard, plus it won't fit in an mATX case. Go with H77 instead. for your budget I'd suggest something like this:

Case: Antec One - 55,30 €
PSU: Corsair CX600 V2 - 67,90 €
Motherboard: Asus P8H77-V LE - 104,40 €
CPU: 3.1GHz Intel Core i5-3450 - 180,00 €
RAM: 8GB G.Skill Ares 1600MHz 1.5V - 48,50 €
HD: 500GB Western Digital Caviar Blue - 64,20 €
Optical: LG DVD Burner - 17,90 €
Video Card: EVGA Geforce GTX 660TI - 298,60 €

Total: 836,80€

I went a little bit over budget but this should be a really killer system.
September 26, 2012 5:39:47 PM

Your build date is 4-8 months out. TBH, any information we give you now could be completely outdated by then. What currency is that?
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September 26, 2012 5:53:19 PM

dscudella said:
Your build date is 4-8 months out. TBH, any information we give you now could be completely outdated by then. What currency is that?


Yeah that's true, I hadn't thought of that. But most of the new GPUs that will be out next year - the 7XX and 8XXX will be pretty much rehashes of the current models while the new processors will be 1 - 2 years out. You won't see another change this significant in GPU architecture until 2014 at least. The new Intel chips are at least a year away, maybe longer with the way Intel runs things. :lol: 

The currency being used is the Euro.
September 26, 2012 6:01:28 PM

Euro, gotcha, thanks g-unit. I agree with what you're saying and it's good for the OP to get a sense of what they could get, but in that time frame prices might not drastically change, but their will be differences that could throw everything off.
September 26, 2012 6:16:39 PM

Phantom_Persona said:
Hello, first and foremost I'm from Portugal, I'm 20 and I've been following this website for quite some time now, I've assembled an idea for a build, which is the most budget-orientated but efficient as possible (I think). :) 

I checked the stickied thread and I'll try to follow it's parameters, so here goes:

Approximate Purchase Date:
As soon as I have the money, so in a few months time (4-8).

Budget Range:
Around 700-800 € (For the main build, Case, Mobo, RAM, GPU, CPU, HDD)

System Usage from Most to Least Important:
From Gaming to Gaming. :) 

Are you buying a monitor:
Yes (I'm fine with a 18.5 or 19" one (LED Preferably))

Parts to Upgrade:
Everything, a completly new build.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts:
http://www.globaldata.pt/
http://www.pcdiga.com/index
http://chiptec.net/

(I know.. I know, they're in Portuguese, but I'm not shipping overseas and these stores are ones I can reach with public transportation /and/or by foot).

Location:
Montijo, Setúbal, Portugal. :kaola: 

Parts Preference:
Intel for CPU, LC-Power for PSU.

Overclocking:
Nah.

SLI or Crossfire:
Later on.

Your Monitor Resolution:
I'm fine with native resolutions of 1366x768.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading:
Can't game today's decent titles.

Aditional Info:

My current build (set up by my father in early 2007):

http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r597/DanteIkeda/0CPU.jpg
http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r597/DanteIkeda/1CACHES.jpg
http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r597/DanteIkeda/2MOBO.jpg
http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r597/DanteIkeda/3RAMGENERAL.jpg
http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r597/DanteIkeda/4RAM2.jpg
http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r597/DanteIkeda/5RAM1.jpg
http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r597/DanteIkeda/6GPU.jpg

P.S. The GPU's an ASUS EN 8600 GT.
The monitor I have right now supports 1280x1024 and is an acer AL1716.


It's outdated, and I need something new. :??: 

What I want, is this:

CASE: (Cheapest possible but not TOO cheap (As in NOX Zen, lol)
Coolermaster Elite 372
CPU: (No OC required, tempting, but I'm happy with a 3450)
INTEL CORE i5 3450 (3.1GHZ) SKT 1155
MOBO: (As recommended by one of Tom's Hardware articles, any other MOBO choice is accepted)
ASROCK Z77 EXTREME4
PSU: (Heard good things about this PSU, plus the 80 PLUS sticker warrants my purchase)
LC-POWER 650W GREEN POWER V2.3
RAM: (I only go for Corsair Memory Sticks, nothing else (maybe Kingston))
CORSAIR KIT 4GB DDR3 1600MHZ VENGEANCE (CL9 - 1.5V)
GPU: (I'd like nVidia if possible)
SAPPHIRE TECHNOLOGY Radeon HD 7850 - 2 GB GDDR5 - PCI-Express 3.0
HDD: (Don't need more than 500GB)
WESTERN DIGITAL 500GB SATA III 16MB
SSD: (Later Buy)
CORSAIR SSD 60GB FORCE SATA III
CPU COOLER: (Later Buy/ When the Intel's Stock one puffs)
ARCTIC COOLING ALPINE 11 PRO REV 2
SOUND SYSTEM 2.1: (Possible later buy, I mainly use my Headset now but I'd like something to watch movies with someone)
LOGITECH LS21
MONITOR: (I don't dislike my acer.. But I love LED's, see where I'm going?)
Asus LED 18.5" Black (AS VW197DR BK/5MS/EU)

P.S. All the names were copy-pasted from vendor websites (that's why they look so "dorky").

Now I have a couple' a questions.
1#: I've seen a couple of good cards that stand up to 7850's prowess with only 1GB of GDDR5. My question is, is that 1GB really worth the price tag? I know for certain that VRAM has impact on two major things, Resolution and Anti-Aliasing (two things I love to max out) but seeing as I'll (probably) stick to 1366x768 for quite some time, would the leap to 2GB make a diference?

2#:: 4GB's RAM is nowadays the recommended for gaming, but a lot of gamers jump to 8GB, why? The more, the merrier, I know, but why not be a lil' more subtle?

3#: I'm stoked to get an OCZ Agility 3 since it's cheaper, or a Corsair Nova 30GB for the sole porpuse of my O.S. Any thoughts on this?

I think.. That's it. Any tips, ideas or opinions? Thanks you guys. :) 



I'll answer your questions first:

1. Graphics memory doesn't have as significant an effect on performance above 1 GB. If a 2GB variants is available, excellent, go for it, but the IMPORTANT thing is the TYPE of memory. As a rule, GDDR5 or 6 is always better then DDR2 or 3. Honestly, you only need 1 GB. The important thing is to have at least 4GB and as much as 8GB and a 64-bit Operating System to avoid memory bottlenecks and wastage.

2. 4GB is all you need on a 64-bit OS. 64-bit architecture is designed to use as much RAM as you put in the system. 8GB is more useful nowadays; it means you won't have to upgrade for at least 3 years, and a lot of games nowadays use a TON of RAM on higher settings.

3. The OCZ Agility is the better pick; it utilizes better, newer technology that has better support at higher speeds. Definitely, the PCZ Agility 3. If it's in your price range, you might want to check out the OCZ Vertex 3 or 4; they are even faster.

Now, recommendations based on your components;

I wouldn't say the case you have selected is bad, but there are better options in that price range; I myself am getting the Cooler Master Enforcer Mid - Tower, which would be completely compatible with your set up, and provide a few more bays for your hard drives and more space. It would give you two USB 3.0 ports on the front, with their cables inside so you can connect hem easily. Plus, it looks awesome. You NEED the USB 3.0's to make your system future-proof.

Intel Core i5 3450 is fine, but you ought to update to the 3550 at least; it will give a significant performance boost. You don't need overclocking, so no need to get anything with a "k" suffix.

ASRock Extreme 4 is a good choice, but a bit "meh"; for a little bit more, you could get the much better extreme 6; this is ALSO future proof, as the Z77 chipset is compatible with Ivy Bridge processors, in case you need to upgrade in the future.

PSU is fine, if a bit too much overkill. You're system only needs around 420 Watts, maximum. You can calculate that at this site:

http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

Go for the Corsair Vengeance (go Corsair!).

The 7850 is a good choice for that price range; the best possible, I think (not so sure when it comes to AMD). I always take Nvidia, because I personally find them easier to tinker with. But your choice is fine. Someone may contradict me.

I'd tell you to at least get 1 TB on that WD, but the 500GB is fine too.

Don't go for the Corsair SSD, like I said before; OCZ is usually better.

CPU cooler is a bit unnecessary; as long as the room your computer is in has air conditioning, you'll be fine. My own Inspiron 530's cooler never broke even once in 6 years. I basically replaced it for no reason, other then increased air flow.

You shouldn't replace you monitor unless it's really, really outdated or it's resolution is way too low. The one you have should be enough, replace it when it dies. Again, your choice really. Replace it if it's a CRT (if it has a gigantic white box on the back, lol).

And you should be good to go!











September 26, 2012 6:31:29 PM

Avoid Sandforce-controller SSDs, especially anything from OCZ, as they were plagued with reliability issues. You want a Marvell-controller drive, like a Samsung 830 or Crucial M4. Since you're not buying for a while, keep an eye on the new Samsung 840.
I won't touch CM products with a 10' pole, no matter how good. The company has been proven in competent technical reviews to be dishonest, and dishonesty should have consequences. Fortunately, they have competitors in every market where they are found, offering equivalent (or better) products for the same price. For example, a review on Frostytech found the Xigmatek Gaia to be a better cooler than the Hyper212+, and it also runs 6db quieter. On a tight budget, and not overclocking, the stock cooler will likely be sufficient, however an aftermarket cooler will typically be quieter.
September 26, 2012 7:04:48 PM

zanedragonknight said:
I'll answer your questions first:

1. Graphics memory doesn't have as significant an effect on performance above 1 GB. If a 2GB variants is available, excellent, go for it, but the IMPORTANT thing is the TYPE of memory. As a rule, GDDR5 or 6 is always better then DDR2 or 3. Honestly, you only need 1 GB. The important thing is to have at least 4GB and as much as 8GB and a 64-bit Operating System to avoid memory bottlenecks and wastage.

2. 4GB is all you need on a 64-bit OS. 64-bit architecture is designed to use as much RAM as you put in the system. 8GB is more useful nowadays; it means you won't have to upgrade for at least 3 years, and a lot of games nowadays use a TON of RAM on higher settings.

3. The OCZ Agility is the better pick; it utilizes better, newer technology that has better support at higher speeds. Definitely, the PCZ Agility 3. If it's in your price range, you might want to check out the OCZ Vertex 3 or 4; they are even faster.


You're completely wrong on #2 - 4GB RAM is all you need with a 32-bit OS, not a 64-bit one. Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit will address up to 16GB of RAM while Win 7 Pro and Ultimate do away with the RAM limitations.

As for the SSD - avoid Sandforce and especially avoid OCZ - they're plagued by driver updates and unreliability. Stay away from them. You want something from Crucial, Samsung, or Plextor. Or even the Sandisk and Mushkin drives are reliable from what I hear, and the new Corsair Neutron series is supposed to be good as well.

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I won't touch CM products with a 10' pole, no matter how good. The company has been proven in competent technical reviews to be dishonest, and dishonesty should have consequences. Fortunately, they have competitors in every market where they are found, offering equivalent (or better) products for the same price. For example, a review on Frostytech found the Xigmatek Gaia to be a better cooler than the Hyper212+, and it also runs 6db quieter. On a tight budget, and not overclocking, the stock cooler will likely be sufficient, however an aftermarket cooler will typically be quieter.


I had a Xigmatek Gaia and it completely fried a build I was using and I almost lost the CPU on top of that. It's currently sitting on my desk as an expensive paper weight. I'd go with a Noctua NH-U9B if you're not using the Hyper 212.
September 26, 2012 7:11:26 PM

Wow, thanks for all the replies guys, interesting read! :) 

Though I'm a lil' stuck, it's hard pouncing around each and every reply of yours whilst X says A and B sucks, and Y says A and B are great. Is there no middle-ground?

I worked on a hardware store and truth be told, OCZ's Agility (or was it Vertex? Hmm..) 3 came "broken" (so to speak) quite often. RMA's were hell with those units. I was expecting by now any firmware update should have fixed any issue (stopped working there, unemployed at the moment, which is why I say it'll take me 4 to 8 months to get something new).

As for the GPU choice, there's a few HD7850 in 1GB edition, would those be advisable? If not, can someone direct me towards a good nVidia solution? I've seen a lot of 560 Ti suggestions but benchmark wise, the 7850 ALWAYS wins by a good 10 FPS margin.

Also.. The "Crappermaster" (hahahaha) Elite 372 is mATX? I thought it was ATX standardized.

And.. What's the diference between EXTREME 4 and EXTREME 6 in ASRock's MOBO's? Any clarification on that? I really REALLY don't want to go and waste out a bundle of money for meager features (Since I'm not planning to OC at all, anything related to that is.. Meh).

As for CPU Cooler.. Well my room doesn't have Air Conditioning, it could get really hot during Summer, an older mobo of mine fried like that once! I went with Arctic Cooling because costumers at the store had really good experiences with them, so I was inclined towards that. :) 

Oh and another thing, earlier it was suggested a H77 board. Should I really aim for those? When I worked at the hardware store Those H77 (Or any with H prefix) would go wonkers with 1600 MHz RAM, is that still in effect today, or has it calmed down?

Thank you everyone. Please keep the messages comming. :) 
September 26, 2012 9:10:12 PM

Quote:
I worked on a hardware store and truth be told, OCZ's Agility (or was it Vertex? Hmm..) 3 came "broken" (so to speak) quite often. RMA's were hell with those units. I was expecting by now any firmware update should have fixed any issue (stopped working there, unemployed at the moment, which is why I say it'll take me 4 to 8 months to get something new).


That's why I'm a little iffy on OCZ - they make some pretty decent products and also a lot of crappy one - and their RMA department is incredibly difficult one to work with. One of the easiest was EVGA - I just returned a defective motherboard to them and they sent me a brand new one in box.

Quote:
As for the GPU choice, there's a few HD7850 in 1GB edition, would those be advisable? If not, can someone direct me towards a good nVidia solution? I've seen a lot of 560 Ti suggestions but benchmark wise, the 7850 ALWAYS wins by a good 10 FPS margin.


Go for the 2GB model - if you want to run high resolutions and get any decent frame rates then you need the 2GB model. There's no point in purchasing a 560TI anymore - it's been outdated for a while now. The 660TI is much better but it will run you quite a bit more. If you want to pay more than the 7850 - the 7870 is a bit more but will be a better performer.

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Also.. The "Crappermaster" (hahahaha) Elite 372 is mATX? I thought it was ATX standardized.


At least the version they sell here in the US is mATX - I don't know if the same model numbers carry over to Portugal or not.

Quote:
And.. What's the diference between EXTREME 4 and EXTREME 6 in ASRock's MOBO's? Any clarification on that? I really REALLY don't want to go and waste out a bundle of money for meager features (Since I'm not planning to OC at all, anything related to that is.. Meh).


They're almost the exact same board - the Extreme 6 adds a front USB 3.0 bracket but that's about it.

Quote:
As for CPU Cooler.. Well my room doesn't have Air Conditioning, it could get really hot during Summer, an older mobo of mine fried like that once! I went with Arctic Cooling because costumers at the store had really good experiences with them, so I was inclined towards that. :) 


There's way better fans you can get now. I like the Noctua ones the best, try this: http://www.globaldata.pt/index.aspx?p=ProdDetailRef&Pro...

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Oh and another thing, earlier it was suggested a H77 board. Should I really aim for those? When I worked at the hardware store Those H77 (Or any with H prefix) would go wonkers with 1600 MHz RAM, is that still in effect today, or has it calmed down?


If you don't need to overclock you don't need the features of Z77. H77 would work just fine. I hadn't heard that about the RAM but I'm guessing it has more to do with voltages than the speed. That's when systems will go haywire.
September 26, 2012 9:11:49 PM

Phantom_Persona said:
Wow, thanks for all the replies guys, interesting read! :) 

Though I'm a lil' stuck, it's hard pouncing around each and every reply of yours whilst X says A and B sucks, and Y says A and B are great. Is there no middle-ground?

I worked on a hardware store and truth be told, OCZ's Agility (or was it Vertex? Hmm..) 3 came "broken" (so to speak) quite often. RMA's were hell with those units. I was expecting by now any firmware update should have fixed any issue (stopped working there, unemployed at the moment, which is why I say it'll take me 4 to 8 months to get something new).

As for the GPU choice, there's a few HD7850 in 1GB edition, would those be advisable? If not, can someone direct me towards a good nVidia solution? I've seen a lot of 560 Ti suggestions but benchmark wise, the 7850 ALWAYS wins by a good 10 FPS margin.

Also.. The "Crappermaster" (hahahaha) Elite 372 is mATX? I thought it was ATX standardized.

And.. What's the diference between EXTREME 4 and EXTREME 6 in ASRock's MOBO's? Any clarification on that? I really REALLY don't want to go and waste out a bundle of money for meager features (Since I'm not planning to OC at all, anything related to that is.. Meh).

As for CPU Cooler.. Well my room doesn't have Air Conditioning, it could get really hot during Summer, an older mobo of mine fried like that once! I went with Arctic Cooling because costumers at the store had really good experiences with them, so I was inclined towards that. :) 

Oh and another thing, earlier it was suggested a H77 board. Should I really aim for those? When I worked at the hardware store Those H77 (Or any with H prefix) would go wonkers with 1600 MHz RAM, is that still in effect today, or has it calmed down?

Thank you everyone. Please keep the messages comming. :) 

The only OCZ SSD that's any good is the Vertex 4. The two SSD's that are universally liked are Samsung 830's and Crucial M4's
Whilst I would tend to avoid CoolerMaster, for PSU's, the rest of their stuff is ok. The Hyper 212Evo is fine for modest overclocking.
For Ivybridge; For overclocking Z77, or Z75. No overclocking of CPU, H77. There are others, but those the best.
If you find what really justifies difference between Extreme4 and 6, perhaps you'd let me know.
Both H77 and Z77 will take 1600 MHz RAM, with Ivybridge.
September 26, 2012 9:16:13 PM

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The only OCZ SSD that's any good is the Vertex 4. The two SSD's that are universally liked are Samsung 830's and Crucial M4's


The Plextor PX-M3 also gets a lot of praise and uses the Marvell controller but it's significantly more expensive.

Sandisk and Mushkin SSDs are also well liked around here even though they use Sandforce, and the new Corsair Neutron series I've heard is good which uses the Toshiba Toggle NAND controller.

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Whilst I would tend to avoid CoolerMaster, for PSU's, the rest of their stuff is ok. The Hyper 212Evo is fine for modest overclocking.


My work PC uses a HAF 912 and a Hyper 212+ - never had a single issue with either. The HAF 912 is a great case for the price and I've used a lot of crappy cases in that price range.
September 26, 2012 10:04:39 PM

I've got a Gaia that keeps my OC'ed 970BE around 30C. I didn't recommend it based on personal experience though, but on the Frostytech review. Similarly, I don't recommend against CM cases because almost every one I bought (before I knew better) had minor issues, since most people like them; that recommendation against is because of the company's willful dishonesty. Read the HardwareSecrets reviews, and Gabriel Torres' comments about what they said in an interview if you want the grisly details.
I have bought enough [different] Rosewill cases to be confident in recommending them. Their fans are quiet and move enough air, and they tend to come with more included fans than similarly priced competitors. I'm not sure they're available in Portugal though, since they are Newegg's house brand.
September 26, 2012 11:19:24 PM

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If you don't need to overclock you don't need the features of Z77. H77 would work just fine. I hadn't heard that about the RAM but I'm guessing it has more to do with voltages than the speed. That's when systems will go haywire.


Yup, I can't recall the exact model but I'm pretty sure it was an H prefix of the ASUS brand. Whenever we tried to set X.M.P (or manually set the RAMs to 1600 MHz) the board would boot up with an Overclocking error. And ever since that experience I've been deviating away from any kind of H-prefix stuff. Bad mojo if you ask me.

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Go for the 2GB model - if you want to run high resolutions and get any decent frame rates then you need the 2GB model. There's no point in purchasing a 560TI anymore - it's been outdated for a while now. The 660TI is much better but it will run you quite a bit more. If you want to pay more than the 7850 - the 7870 is a bit more but will be a better performer.


Well.. Discard the whole if-you-want-to-game-in-higher-resolutions, as I don't plan to go higher than 18.5" or 19" :)  , is 1GB still visable?

In the HD 7850 field, who manufactures it best? Gigabyte? MSI? Etc.

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I've got a Gaia that keeps my OC'ed 970BE around 30C. I didn't recommend it based on personal experience though, but on the Frostytech review. Similarly, I don't recommend against CM cases because almost every one I bought (before I knew better) had minor issues, since most people like them; that recommendation against is because of the company's willful dishonesty. Read the HardwareSecrets reviews, and Gabriel Torres' comments about what they said in an interview if you want the grisly details.
I have bought enough [different] Rosewill cases to be confident in recommending them. Their fans are quiet and move enough air, and they tend to come with more included fans than similarly priced competitors. I'm not sure they're available in Portugal though, since they are Newegg's house brand.


Nope, no Rosewill cases in Portugal. :( 
Most brands you see for sale here are name-brands (ASUS, Corsair, Kingston, etc).

P.S. Thanks for the replies guys, keep' em comming!

Edit:

So, from these latest replies (I'm still keeping the case, it has an ATX Factor and I 'sorta like it, a lot of them passed by my hands whilst I worked on the store) I garnished these new additions:

SAMSUNG SSD 830 64GB SATA III

And.. Even though I ended that last phrase in plural, I have no idea what else to add. :/ 

Edit 2:

Tom's Hardware just published an article that Intel's dropping i5 3450.. What gives? :( 
September 26, 2012 11:44:53 PM

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Yup, I can't recall the exact model but I'm pretty sure it was an H prefix of the ASUS brand. Whenever we tried to set X.M.P (or manually set the RAMs to 1600 MHz) the board would boot up with an Overclocking error. And ever since that experience I've been deviating away from any kind of H-prefix stuff. Bad mojo if you ask me.


Interesting - never heard of that happening before. But you can't overclock on an H77 though.

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Well.. Discard the whole if-you-want-to-game-in-higher-resolutions, as I don't plan to go higher than 18.5" or 19" :)  , is 1GB still visable?


Yeah you probably won't need more than that.

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In the HD 7850 field, who manufactures it best? Gigabyte? MSI? Etc.


There has been several hundred pages of debate about that here. :lol: 

I personally like Sapphire only because I've had the best luck with their cards.
September 26, 2012 11:53:56 PM

g-unit1111 said:
Quote:
Yup, I can't recall the exact model but I'm pretty sure it was an H prefix of the ASUS brand. Whenever we tried to set X.M.P (or manually set the RAMs to 1600 MHz) the board would boot up with an Overclocking error. And ever since that experience I've been deviating away from any kind of H-prefix stuff. Bad mojo if you ask me.


Interesting - never heard of that happening before. But you can't overclock on an H77 though.

Quote:
Well.. Discard the whole if-you-want-to-game-in-higher-resolutions, as I don't plan to go higher than 18.5" or 19" :)  , is 1GB still visable?


Yeah you probably won't need more than that.

Quote:
In the HD 7850 field, who manufactures it best? Gigabyte? MSI? Etc.


There has been several hundred pages of debate about that here. :lol: 

I personally like Sapphire only because I've had the best luck with their cards.


Seeing as 1600 MHz is already considering Memory Overclocking (Right?) I can guess that's why I've found a few issues. :)  (Still, any suggestions on a good H77 MOBO?)

Ah pity, well I'm a fan of Sapphire as well. :D 

It's tough planning a build ahead. Can't wait to game properly in a few months, especially with titles like AC III and Dishonored.

Edit:
Just scrolled up and saw the: ASUS P8H77-V

What about the: ASUS P8H77-M PRO ? What're the differences between the -V and the -M PRO?
September 27, 2012 2:41:37 AM

g-unit1111 said:
You're completely wrong on #2 - 4GB RAM is all you need with a 32-bit OS, not a 64-bit one. Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit will address up to 16GB of RAM while Win 7 Pro and Ultimate do away with the RAM limitations.

As for the SSD - avoid Sandforce and especially avoid OCZ - they're plagued by driver updates and unreliability. Stay away from them. You want something from Crucial, Samsung, or Plextor. Or even the Sandisk and Mushkin drives are reliable from what I hear, and the new Corsair Neutron series is supposed to be good as well.

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I won't touch CM products with a 10' pole, no matter how good. The company has been proven in competent technical reviews to be dishonest, and dishonesty should have consequences. Fortunately, they have competitors in every market where they are found, offering equivalent (or better) products for the same price. For example, a review on Frostytech found the Xigmatek Gaia to be a better cooler than the Hyper212+, and it also runs 6db quieter. On a tight budget, and not overclocking, the stock cooler will likely be sufficient, however an aftermarket cooler will typically be quieter.


I had a Xigmatek Gaia and it completely fried a build I was using and I almost lost the CPU on top of that. It's currently sitting on my desk as an expensive paper weight. I'd go with a Noctua NH-U9B if you're not using the Hyper 212.


Actually, I'm not. 4GB is more then enough for the system being put together, at the very least. I mentioned that, twice, and to go for 8GB if possible, twice.

I've never had isssues from OCZ, so thanks for clarifying that. I haven't used Crucial (it's not available in India), so I can't gauge their reliability, but I've worked with over a dozen OCZ's and haven't had a single failure or update error. I agree, in that case; stay on the safe side. I'd still take the Vertex 3 or 4, but that's my opinion.

In a bit of a reversal, I've had issues with the Corsair Series before, which is why i did not recommend them. It seems you now have 2 SSD companies to avoid.

And honestly, why all the unnecessary hate? Cooler Master's Enforcer is a good Mid Tower Case, whatever the company did in the past. It's got slots for a watercooler in the future and a 200mm or two 120mm fan's on the top, and the special edition has a slot for another fan on the side. Plus, all model's have a 200mm on the front. It's got enough room for up to 5 HHD's, and the optical bay's can be converted. It can fit a Nvidia 680 with a HDD cage removed. It's got two USB 3.0's and 2.0's on the front, and it isn't an ugly case by any means. It's a good product.
September 27, 2012 2:56:42 AM

Phantom_Persona said:

As for CPU Cooler.. Well my room doesn't have Air Conditioning, it could get really hot during Summer, an older mobo of mine fried like that once! I went with Arctic Cooling because costumers at the store had really good experiences with them, so I was inclined towards that. :) 

Oh and another thing, earlier it was suggested a H77 board. Should I really aim for those? When I worked at the hardware store Those H77 (Or any with H prefix) would go wonkers with 1600 MHz RAM, is that still in effect today, or has it calmed down?

Thank you everyone. Please keep the messages comming. :) 


If your room doesn't have air conditioning, either get a better cooler or an air conditioner. If Portugal is above 25 C in the summer, that computer can cook you entire room. I kid you not, that happened to me for 3 months, to the point where perormance was reduced by 30% (though the fact that it gets up to 40 degrees here doesn't really help). I eventually got my AC, so my system is fine now. Also, getting a good cooler will only cool the insides of you PC; it will still make your room hotter. So watch out!

H77 doesn't allow you to overclock or use Crossfire/SLI. That's the biggest difference. If you want to use multiple GPU's in the future (which I'm 90% sure you mentioned above) then you need a Z77 chipset. That's why I recommended the ASRock Extreme 6. Also, Z77 (and anything with the 77 suffix, meaning the H77 too) are forwards-compatible; they will work with the Ivy Bridge architecture, and the new >21nM processors Intel is working on. Those are coming out in late 2013 anyway, so don't wait for those.
September 27, 2012 3:12:13 AM

You know a thread is hot when you've got multiple Quote-ception.

I believe the i5 3450 was cancelled because there are already far too many intel's in that price range, and the much better i5 3550 (which costs almost he same) was stealing most of it's sales. So, it was cancelled. Again, you should go for the i5 3550 for more processing at a tiny price difference, or the 3570k for overclocking, which you do not need.

By now, I think we've worked out that you should go with the Samsung, since OCZ and Corsair have sold bad products.

IMPORTANT: Anything in the Asus line with an -M is a Micro-ATX board. This is not what you want, and some parts may not be compatible with it. You want the normal ATX form factor. The ASUS P8H77-V is the only Asus H77 that is an ATX board. All the others, the -V, -VLE, and -MLE are Micro-ATX.

I'm still sticking firmly with my recommendation; go for the ASRock Extreme Z77. I thought you said you needed Crossfire/SLI at the top of the page? If so, you need a Z77 board.

Can you give a link to the Coolermaster Elite 372 that you are buying? Does it come with all the fans?

September 27, 2012 7:56:57 AM

Yes, the AsusP8H77-v only supports crossfire, so you want Radeon, if going that route, and want to add 2nd card.
September 27, 2012 9:38:45 AM

(Seeing as there's multiple answers, here's what I'll do)

@zanedragonknight:

Altough I've seen OCZ get a few issues from the past, I can't wash all of them as equally bad, I mean they still sell a couple' a units enough to warrant "sequels". Yet, the only brand I haven't heard complaints were Samsungs, so I'm going for that 64GB one (altough I was recommended 128) after I buy my system.

I mean, besides a computer I have to save up for University, studies are also important.

Portugal during summer is easily over the 25ºC Celsius mark most of the times. Turns out my room's quite large though as I just moved recently and I've got a big and open window, This is also on the third floor and it somewhat feels more fresh here (but I'll have to decide that when actual summer comes, right now it just ended and fall's upon us here).

As for the whole H, Z and M thingymajingy, I'm also pretty sold on the ASRock's Z77 Extreme 4 board, but I still want to go cheaper than that (the diference is I could save up for about 40€, and that's a lot).
Anyways, I'm not doubting your knowledge but here's what I found on P8H77-V's page. (Thanks malbluff!). On the overview section it pertains something about Crossfire. I ask now the following, have these boards come up with any issue regarding Crossfire or any other technology? Like my previes experience with 1600 MHz RAM's?

As for the link of the Coolermaster Elite 372, here it is.

So, to recapitulate...

SSD:
SAMSUNG SSD 830 64GB SATA III seems to be a good choice.

MOBO:
P8H77-V LE is PCDiga's only choice at 103€ though has a mATX factor due to LE (I thought LE just meant cheaper production line?)

ASUS P8H77-V is GlobalData's choice at 105€ but not LE.

CPU:
i5 3550 is Chiptec's choice at 197€

I think that's it, thank you everyone, and keep on postin' :D 

Edit: I have this deal on Pixmania (another store, though not strictly hardware) which features a Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 - 2 GB at the low price of 185€
I wonder if it'll last a couple' a months :lol: 
September 27, 2012 10:05:21 AM

zanedragonknight said:
...
And honestly, why all the unnecessary hate? Cooler Master's Enforcer is a good Mid Tower Case, whatever the company did in the past...It's a good product.

It isn't what they did in the past, it is what they are still doing now, and plan to continue doing. I don't care if their cases are mithril. The company is dishonest, and dishonesty should have [dire] consequences.
September 27, 2012 10:53:36 AM

Phantom_Persona said:
(Seeing as there's multiple answers, here's what I'll do)

@zanedragonknight:

Altough I've seen OCZ get a few issues from the past, I can't wash all of them as equally bad, I mean they still sell a couple' a units enough to warrant "sequels". Yet, the only brand I haven't heard complaints were Samsungs, so I'm going for that 64GB one (altough I was recommended 128) after I buy my system.

I mean, besides a computer I have to save up for University, studies are also important.

Portugal during summer is easily over the 25ºC Celsius mark most of the times. Turns out my room's quite large though as I just moved recently and I've got a big and open window, This is also on the third floor and it somewhat feels more fresh here (but I'll have to decide that when actual summer comes, right now it just ended and fall's upon us here).

As for the whole H, Z and M thingymajingy, I'm also pretty sold on the ASRock's Z77 Extreme 4 board, but I still want to go cheaper than that (the diference is I could save up for about 40€, and that's a lot).
Anyways, I'm not doubting your knowledge but here's what I found on P8H77-V's page. (Thanks malbluff!). On the overview section it pertains something about Crossfire. I ask now the following, have these boards come up with any issue regarding Crossfire or any other technology? Like my previes experience with 1600 MHz RAM's?

As for the link of the Coolermaster Elite 372, here it is.

So, to recapitulate...

SSD:
SAMSUNG SSD 830 64GB SATA III seems to be a good choice.

MOBO:
P8H77-V LE is PCDiga's only choice at 103€ though has a mATX factor due to LE (I thought LE just meant cheaper production line?)

ASUS P8H77-V is GlobalData's choice at 105€ but not LE.

CPU:
i5 3550 is Chiptec's choice at 197€

I think that's it, thank you everyone, and keep on postin' :D 

Edit: I have this deal on Pixmania (another store, though not strictly hardware) which features a Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 - 2 GB at the low price of 185€
I wonder if it'll last a couple' a months :lol: 

If you've had an issue with H77 and 1600 MHz, I suspect that was with SandyBridge processors, which don't have native support, for 1600 MHz, even with "77" chipsets. There is no problem with Ivybridge. The slight drawback with H77, is that most (I'm not certain if it's ALL) don't support SLi, only Crossfire. Even using locked processor, if using nVidia, Z77 is better, from that point of view. If using Radeon, H77 is the more cost effective choice.
September 27, 2012 12:11:31 PM

@malbluff

I see, it's indeed true the CPU's we installed back then were SandyBridge, none were Ivy (they were simple and budget-wise computers (not for gaming)).

P.S. Added note, I can 'kinda scratch the back of my mind that they weren't H77, but instead H67 MOBO's, is that relevant in any way?

Anyways... Since I'm going for a Radeon card and, by your word the H77 is a more cost effective choice, would you recommend the ASUS P8H77-V?

Another question, since my choice diverted to an i5-3550, should I use the stock cooler until it's performance dips (or Summer time reaches) or change it right out of the box and keep the former for any "emergency"?

Edit: Out of curiosity, I used Coolermaster's Comparison tool and compared the three Elites (370, 371, 372), the only changes are design and size, the latter being the biggest.

Edit 2:
Right now, this is what I have.


[MBO]
ASUS P8H77-V = 104.40€

[BOX]
Coolermaster Elite 372 (RC-372-KKN1) = 39.9€

[PSU]
LC-POWER 650W GREEN POWER V2.3 (LC6650GP3) = 53.50€

[RAM]
CORSAIR KIT 4GB DDR3 1600MHZ VENGEANCE (CL9 - 1.5V) = 29.50€

[GPU]
SAPPHIRE TECHNOLOGY Radeon HD 7850 - 2 GB GDDR5 - PCI-Express 3.0 (11200-07-21G) = 185.99€

[CPU]
INTEL CORE I5-3550 3.3GHZ (3.7GHZ TURBO) 6MB BOX = 196.9€

[HDD]
WESTERN DIGITAL 500GB SATA III 16MB = 64.20€

[SSD]
SSD Samsung 2.5" 830 64GB (MZ-7PC064B/WW) = 69.90€

THE WHOLE THING
[Aprox. 745€] [Aprox. 960$ ?].
THE WHOLE THING WITHOUT SSD (Later Buy)
[Aprox. 675€] [Aprox. 870$ ?].

This price is nice as it's below the budget I had planned (leaving me with room for other things) and serves me well nicely. :) 
Keep raining the suggestions and opinions please.
September 27, 2012 1:17:41 PM

That mobo is fine. With regard to cooler, I don't anticipate any great issue with the stock one, it's just, in a hot environment, it's going to be working harder, and therefore noisier. Whether it is worth fitting an aftermarket cooler now, or "wait and see (or hear)", is debatable. Either way, you should use low profile RAM, to avoid a likely clash.
My only slight concern is that power supply, as I am not familiar with it. I don't know if it's just not widely available. It may be very good, but I can't confirm that.
September 27, 2012 5:01:33 PM

Onus said:
It isn't what they did in the past, it is what they are still doing now, and plan to continue doing. I don't care if their cases are mithril. The company is dishonest, and dishonesty should have [dire] consequences.


Could you post me a link about what they screwed up recently? For interest's sake, I can't find it anywhere.
September 27, 2012 5:13:09 PM

zanedragonknight said:
Actually, I'm not. 4GB is more then enough for the system being put together, at the very least. I mentioned that, twice, and to go for 8GB if possible, twice.

I've never had isssues from OCZ, so thanks for clarifying that. I haven't used Crucial (it's not available in India), so I can't gauge their reliability, but I've worked with over a dozen OCZ's and haven't had a single failure or update error. I agree, in that case; stay on the safe side. I'd still take the Vertex 3 or 4, but that's my opinion.

In a bit of a reversal, I've had issues with the Corsair Series before, which is why i did not recommend them. It seems you now have 2 SSD companies to avoid.


I have had issues with the CX series as well - I hear the new CX750 is good though. The Crucial M4 is a great SSD - my work PC has a 64GB M4 and it's been a great drive so far.

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And honestly, why all the unnecessary hate? Cooler Master's Enforcer is a good Mid Tower Case, whatever the company did in the past. It's got slots for a watercooler in the future and a 200mm or two 120mm fan's on the top, and the special edition has a slot for another fan on the side. Plus, all model's have a 200mm on the front. It's got enough room for up to 5 HHD's, and the optical bay's can be converted. It can fit a Nvidia 680 with a HDD cage removed. It's got two USB 3.0's and 2.0's on the front, and it isn't an ugly case by any means. It's a good product.


I don't get that either. My work PC uses a HAF 912 and a Hyper 212+ and I've had no issues with either. I hear their PSUs are unreliable but I've read the reviews and I still don't see where all the complaints lie.
September 27, 2012 5:24:26 PM

Phantom_Persona said:
@malbluff

P.S. Added note, I can 'kinda scratch the back of my mind that they weren't H77, but instead H67 MOBO's, is that relevant in any way?



I'll post you two links. The first is the difference between H77, Z68, and Z77. The second is the difference between the older models; H61, H67, H77 and B75 chipsets (ignore the last one and the first; they aren't important).

http://www.pugetsystems.com/blog/2012/04/12/z68-z77-and...

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=709...

I'll sum it up:

"H" means the processor can support the standard PCI Express 3.0, which is a fancy way of saying it support modern processors.

"Z" does that too, but it can ALSO split the main cable, the PCI Express x16 into two smaller x8's, which is a fancy way of saying it support Crossfire and SLI.

"68" Is the second-latest chipset. It supports almost every single processor in the last decade or so. That's about it.

"77" is the latest-latest type of chipset (skip to the end of this paragraph to avoid a very nerdy analysis). It's MASSIVE advantage is that it is forwards-compatible. When Intel starts losing business in late 2013, they'll roll out the 21nM 3rd-gen processors, along the Ivy Bridge architecture. BASICALLY, the 77 will support 3rd gen, and probably 4th gen Intel chips. If you need to upgrade in the next couple of years, you won't have to change motherboard.

That's pretty much it.

BTW; the link you gave me isn't working. Got another website you plan on buying the case from?
September 27, 2012 5:30:01 PM

malbluff said:
That mobo is fine. With regard to cooler, I don't anticipate any great issue with the stock one, it's just, in a hot environment, it's going to be working harder, and therefore noisier. Whether it is worth fitting an aftermarket cooler now, or "wait and see (or hear)", is debatable. Either way, you should use low profile RAM, to avoid a likely clash.
My only slight concern is that power supply, as I am not familiar with it. I don't know if it's just not widely available. It may be very good, but I can't confirm that.


Phantom, trust me when I say that you need either (a) a very cool room during summer or (b) a badass cooler for your CPU, and two good intake fans to cool your PC. Trust me on this one, it sucks to be boiled alive by your PC. I speak from painful experience.
September 27, 2012 5:41:16 PM

Phantom_Persona said:
@malbluff

I see, it's indeed true the CPU's we installed back then were SandyBridge, none were Ivy (they were simple and budget-wise computers (not for gaming)).

P.S. Added note, I can 'kinda scratch the back of my mind that they weren't H77, but instead H67 MOBO's, is that relevant in any way?

Anyways... Since I'm going for a Radeon card and, by your word the H77 is a more cost effective choice, would you recommend the ASUS P8H77-V?

Another question, since my choice diverted to an i5-3550, should I use the stock cooler until it's performance dips (or Summer time reaches) or change it right out of the box and keep the former for any "emergency"?

Edit: Out of curiosity, I used Coolermaster's Comparison tool and compared the three Elites (370, 371, 372), the only changes are design and size, the latter being the biggest.

Edit 2:
Right now, this is what I have.


[MBO]
ASUS P8H77-V = 104.40€

[BOX]
Coolermaster Elite 372 (RC-372-KKN1) = 39.9€

[PSU]
LC-POWER 650W GREEN POWER V2.3 (LC6650GP3) = 53.50€

[RAM]
CORSAIR KIT 4GB DDR3 1600MHZ VENGEANCE (CL9 - 1.5V) = 29.50€

[GPU]
SAPPHIRE TECHNOLOGY Radeon HD 7850 - 2 GB GDDR5 - PCI-Express 3.0 (11200-07-21G) = 185.99€

[CPU]
INTEL CORE I5-3550 3.3GHZ (3.7GHZ TURBO) 6MB BOX = 196.9€

[HDD]
WESTERN DIGITAL 500GB SATA III 16MB = 64.20€

[SSD]
SSD Samsung 2.5" 830 64GB (MZ-7PC064B/WW) = 69.90€

THE WHOLE THING
[Aprox. 745€] [Aprox. 960$ ?].
THE WHOLE THING WITHOUT SSD (Later Buy)
[Aprox. 675€] [Aprox. 870$ ?].

This price is nice as it's below the budget I had planned (leaving me with room for other things) and serves me well nicely. :) 
Keep raining the suggestions and opinions please.


Okay, final nerdrage of the day.

I'm still worried that that case does not come with any fans. I can't read portuguese, but I think the word's "optional" mean it won't come with the case. You'll need to shell out a little more money to get all 6 optional 120mm fans, so watch out! You'll also need a CPU cooler.

The website says the mobo will support Crossfire (ONLY, not SLI) in case you want duel 7850's in the future. I checked it out to make sure; they should be compatible for upto 4 HD 7850's, though it would be insane to mount that many!

I'm a bit iffy with the PSU. Are there any reviews stating failures, because unknown corporations occasionally sell bad products. I I were you, I'd go with a Corsair or Seasonic.

RAM is excellent.

CPU is excellent.

HDD and SSD are fine too.

Cost doesn't look too bad; I'm bulding a similar rig for about the sam amount.

Any other problems or queries?

September 27, 2012 5:53:17 PM

As far as I can see case only has one 120mm fan and built-in 500w PSU. Does sound like one to "give a miss".
September 27, 2012 5:58:43 PM

zanedragonknight said:
Okay, final nerdrage of the day.

I'm still worried that that case does not come with any fans. I can't read portuguese, but I think the word's "optional" mean it won't come with the case. You'll need to shell out a little more money to get all 6 optional 120mm fans, so watch out! You'll also need a CPU cooler.

The website says the mobo will support Crossfire (ONLY, not SLI) in case you want duel 7850's in the future. I checked it out to make sure; they should be compatible for upto 4 HD 7850's, though it would be insane to mount that many!

I'm a bit iffy with the PSU. Are there any reviews stating failures, because unknown corporations occasionally sell bad products. I I were you, I'd go with a Corsair or Seasonic.

RAM is excellent.

CPU is excellent.

HDD and SSD are fine too.

Cost doesn't look too bad; I'm bulding a similar rig for about the sam amount.

Any other problems or queries?


I personally don't like blowing a ton of money on fans until you get your build up and running. Plus you can only buy as many fans as your case has mounts for.

The RAM is good but it is high profile. Get the low profile version and save yourself a lot of frustration. http://www.chiptec.net/incs/comprar.php?id=11776

Or get this for less money: http://www.chiptec.net/incs/comprar.php?id=12700

I'm still kind of iffy on that PSU though - I'd go for this: http://globaldata.pt/index.aspx?p=CartPage&a=Add&ProdId...

A bit more but the PSU is something you do not want to cheap out on.
September 27, 2012 6:20:32 PM

g-unit1111 said:
I have had issues with the CX series as well - I hear the new CX750 is good though. The Crucial M4 is a great SSD - my work PC has a 64GB M4 and it's been a great drive so far.

Quote:
And honestly, why all the unnecessary hate? Cooler Master's Enforcer is a good Mid Tower Case, whatever the company did in the past. It's got slots for a watercooler in the future and a 200mm or two 120mm fan's on the top, and the special edition has a slot for another fan on the side. Plus, all model's have a 200mm on the front. It's got enough room for up to 5 HHD's, and the optical bay's can be converted. It can fit a Nvidia 680 with a HDD cage removed. It's got two USB 3.0's and 2.0's on the front, and it isn't an ugly case by any means. It's a good product.


I don't get that either. My work PC uses a HAF 912 and a Hyper 212+ and I've had no issues with either. I hear their PSUs are unreliable but I've read the reviews and I still don't see where all the complaints lie.


I use a Hyper TX3 Evo. Man, that is one DURABLE CPU cooler.
September 27, 2012 6:21:51 PM

zanedragonknight said:
I use a Hyper TX3 Evo. Man, that is one DURABLE CPU cooler.


The Hyper 212+ is great, I've had no complaints with it. My home PC uses a EVGA M020 and that is one excellent cooler as well.
September 27, 2012 7:15:06 PM

EVGA rocks. No question bout it!
September 27, 2012 9:39:53 PM

@zanedragonknight:

Optional Coolermaster Elite 372 website to buy from.

There it is, I don't mind going there either. As for the Fan-issue, I'll bother you when such happens (which I hope won't have to happen). ;) 

I must add before anything else though, thank you for the insightful explanation you handed out with both links and a summed up version of everything. It was a great read!

For the PSU, yeah I don't like iffy PSU's either, but this one has been getting good views (and some praise on the hardware store I worked on), so I'm trusting my money on LC-Power. :) 

As for other questions.. Naw' I don't have any currently, I'm pretty happy with this end result.

@g-unit1111:
The two chiptec links you posted don't work, fancy shelling out the names? :p 
As for them being high-profile, I know, that's why I was inclined to Arctic Cooling, their products tend to work well together. Not to mention your regular ASUS Motherboard design is pretty good.

As for the Corsair PSU, I was thinking of that, but I didn't want to shell out the extra €, though I do understand the value of a good PSU in not failing my whole system. I have faith in the LC-Power I chose. Let's just hope that faith's well-put, eh? :) 

Thank you everyone for the attention and help you've given me so far. It's nice to meet others with a high-level of knowledge and interest! :D 
September 27, 2012 10:26:53 PM

zanedragonknight said:
Could you post me a link about what they screwed up recently? For interest's sake, I can't find it anywhere.


Ok. It is not my desire to dilute the intent of this thread, which is to find good components for a build. However..
In reviews of unrelated products (in this case, many of their PSUs), CM was found to be dishonest. Many companies exaggerate, or offer best-case scenarios that are unrealistic at best, but claiming protection circuits that are in fact missing is an outright lie. Here are some sample links:
LL=Liar Label, MC=Missing Circuits

1. LL: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cooler-Master-Ex...
2. MC: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cooler-Master-El...
3. LL AND MC: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cooler-Master-El...
4. LL: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cooler-Master-eX...
5. LL: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cooler-Master-eX...

...I think that's enough (there are others). These aren't dings for poor quality, even if that is also the case, but for dishonesty. Many others get dinged for quality; my favorite is probably the remark in HardOCP's review of the GX-650 calling it a "polished turd in a box."
So anyway, there you have it; a company which should not be supported, regardless of the quality of its other products. And get this, it gets worse. Having been called on it, they're going to pull them from the North American market and foist them off elsewhere. This per Gabriel Torres: "I had a meeting with them during Computex and, according to them, they are removing all power supplies with fake wattage from the North American market (and dumping them somewhere else)."
As a rational individual, who cannot sanction profiting off of lies and deception, I cannot support them. Not to worry though, in every market where they are found, they have competitors, offering similar (or better) products for the same price.
September 27, 2012 10:29:19 PM

Onus said:
Ok. It is not my desire to dilute the intent of this thread, which is to find good components for a build. However..
In reviews of unrelated products (in this case, many of their PSUs), CM was found to be dishonest. Many companies exaggerate, or offer best-case scenarios that are unrealistic at best, but claiming protection circuits that are in fact missing is an outright lie. Here are some sample links:
LL=Liar Label, MC=Missing Circuits

1. LL: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cooler-Master-Ex...
2. MC: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cooler-Master-El...
3. LL AND MC: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cooler-Master-El...
4. LL: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cooler-Master-eX...
5. LL: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cooler-Master-eX...

...I think that's enough (there are others). These aren't dings for poor quality, even if that is also the case, but for dishonesty. Many others get dinged for quality; my favorite is probably the remark in HardOCP's review of the GX-650 calling it a "polished turd in a box."
So anyway, there you have it; a company which should not be supported, regardless of the quality of its other products. And get this, it gets worse. Having been called on it, they're going to pull them from the North American market and foist them off elsewhere. This per Gabriel Torres: "I had a meeting with them during Computex and, according to them, they are removing all power supplies with fake wattage from the North American market (and dumping them somewhere else)."
As a rational individual, who cannot sanction profiting off of lies and deception, I cannot support them. Not to worry though, in every market where they are found, they have competitors, offering similar (or better) products for the same price.


Pity reading that, I'm not one to usually follow the horde, but when the facts are laid bare, it's a sad thing.
Anyways, I've never used or considered CoolerMaster's PSU's, just cases. Hope that department's clear.
September 27, 2012 10:59:18 PM

IMHO, buying one of their cases is still supporting a dishonest company. I'm not trying to make any kind of decision for you, just presenting the facts so you can make your own.
September 27, 2012 11:20:43 PM

Onus said:
IMHO, buying one of their cases is still supporting a dishonest company. I'm not trying to make any kind of decision for you, just presenting the facts so you can make your own.


Yeah I know, but for the price, I can't find any better or equal :/  , that's my issue as well. What other case out there for 40€ is just as good?
September 27, 2012 11:28:02 PM

Can you get the Corsair Carbide 300R, at decent price. At least you get two fans, with it, so that's one less to buy, and it's decently built.
September 27, 2012 11:59:17 PM

Phantom_Persona said:
@zanedragonknight:

Optional Coolermaster Elite 372 website to buy from.

There it is, I don't mind going there either. As for the Fan-issue, I'll bother you when such happens (which I hope won't have to happen). ;) 

I must add before anything else though, thank you for the insightful explanation you handed out with both links and a summed up version of everything. It was a great read!

For the PSU, yeah I don't like iffy PSU's either, but this one has been getting good views (and some praise on the hardware store I worked on), so I'm trusting my money on LC-Power. :) 

As for other questions.. Naw' I don't have any currently, I'm pretty happy with this end result.

@g-unit1111:
The two chiptec links you posted don't work, fancy shelling out the names? :p 
As for them being high-profile, I know, that's why I was inclined to Arctic Cooling, their products tend to work well together. Not to mention your regular ASUS Motherboard design is pretty good.

As for the Corsair PSU, I was thinking of that, but I didn't want to shell out the extra €, though I do understand the value of a good PSU in not failing my whole system. I have faith in the LC-Power I chose. Let's just hope that faith's well-put, eh? :) 

Thank you everyone for the attention and help you've given me so far. It's nice to meet others with a high-level of knowledge and interest! :D 


Yeah they worked for me earlier, I don't know what's going on there. Maybe try this: http://www.kuantokusta.pt/1/167055/-Corsair-8GB-Vengean...

That's the RAM I had originally intended to link to.

Quote:


EVGA rocks. No question bout it!


That they do! Their headquarters is right down the street from where I work, I had a motherboard of theirs go bad and they gave me a brand new one in box, that was sweet.

Quote:
IMHO, buying one of their cases is still supporting a dishonest company. I'm not trying to make any kind of decision for you, just presenting the facts so you can make your own.


Can you present some links to the "facts" that you're claiming? Otherwise your argument is null until you do.
September 28, 2012 12:37:19 AM

g-unit1111 said:
Yeah they worked for me earlier, I don't know what's going on there. Maybe try this: http://www.kuantokusta.pt/1/167055/-Corsair-8GB-Vengean...

That's the RAM I had originally intended to link to.

Quote:


EVGA rocks. No question bout it!


That they do! Their headquarters is right down the street from where I work, I had a motherboard of theirs go bad and they gave me a brand new one in box, that was sweet.

Quote:
IMHO, buying one of their cases is still supporting a dishonest company. I'm not trying to make any kind of decision for you, just presenting the facts so you can make your own.


Can you present some links to the "facts" that you're claiming? Otherwise your argument is null until you do.


Oh, those are a good pair of RAM sticks, I like the sleek design and the color (that would fit with my Mobo). :) 
September 28, 2012 12:41:20 AM

g-unit1111 said:
...Can you present some links to the "facts" that you're claiming? Otherwise your argument is null until you do.

I did.
September 28, 2012 5:45:38 AM

Phantom_Persona said:
Pity reading that, I'm not one to usually follow the horde, but when the facts are laid bare, it's a sad thing.
Anyways, I've never used or considered CoolerMaster's PSU's, just cases. Hope that department's clear.


Just read those review myself. Honestly, that's just pathetic. Seriously, lying about output? Who DOES that? It's 20-frigging-12. Grow up...
September 28, 2012 5:58:35 AM

zanedragonknight said:
Just read those review myself. Honestly, that's just pathetic. Seriously, lying about output? Who DOES that? It's 20-frigging-12. Grow up...


Yeah I'll have to read more of the links posted later but the first review was mind boggling - I can't believe a company would deliberately lie about their products like that. :ouch: 
September 28, 2012 12:02:02 PM

g-unit1111 said:
Yeah I'll have to read more of the links posted later but the first review was mind boggling - I can't believe a company would deliberately lie about their products like that. :ouch: 


Indeed. I wow'd at' em too, it's amazing, I never knew CoolerMaster was like this.
September 28, 2012 8:50:06 PM

It is baffling, but it explains why I'm anti-CM.
Are HEC cases available where you are? I've never used one, but have noticed that a lot of them are 0.8mm steel, which is pretty good for a cheap case. The Antec Sonata III case is 0.8mm, and it's built like a tank.
September 28, 2012 9:10:14 PM

Onus said:
It is baffling, but it explains why I'm anti-CM.
Are HEC cases available where you are? I've never used one, but have noticed that a lot of them are 0.8mm steel, which is pretty good for a cheap case. The Antec Sonata III case is 0.8mm, and it's built like a tank.


I've used HEC cases before and they're not very well constructed and have terrible air flow. I've used a lot of cheap cases and thing you have to remember is that they're just that - cheap. The manufactuers will cut corners on construction and give you sub par cages and use cheap plastic, and leave sharp edges that can cut you several times over. It's better to pay a bit more for a case than to deal with that.

Go with an Antec One or Antec Three Hundred if you're not going to use a HAF 912.
September 28, 2012 9:20:02 PM

Fair enough. So far, the only cheap cases I've liked were the $29 Rosewills (any/all of them). They're a little thin, but I don't think I've ever had to make a blood offering during a build, and the fans have been decent.
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