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September 27, 2012 1:17:05 AM

Hi there,
I was hoping someone could give me advice on the components I'm planning on buying for a budget gaming pc.

I am a complete newbie to all of this, so any help would be much appreciated.

I'll be mainly using this pc for movies, music software and high end games like crysis 2, battlefield 3, Eve etc.

Here are the parts i'm thinking of getting:

Intel i3-2120 3.3GHz Processor
Sapphire Radeon HD7750 Graphics Card
OCZ Vertex 3 Series 120 Gb SSD
Western Digital Caviar Black 500GB (7200rpm) SATA 32MB HDD
Corsair Vengeance 8GB (1x8GB) RAM
CiT Venus ATX Midi Tower


I'm unsure of what motherboard to get, so could anyone recommend a decent one which isn't to pricey.

UK-based company recommendations would be preferable cos i don't want to order from abroad.



Is this set up a good idea????

Help!!!!



Cheers!!!

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September 27, 2012 1:22:32 AM

Drop the SSD and get a better processor. If your gonna be running high end games *Tip* Always spend as much on the CPU as you do the Graphics Card. Let me check what matches a 7750 in price..... If you can (This is for gaming alot) Get a better graphics card, may I suggest a 7850 with a i5 2500k. If not, just upgrade the graphics card! Otherwise, Good build (Also, if you dont mind me telling. Black editions not a must.
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September 27, 2012 1:26:37 AM

-The i3 is fine, i got the same and it's awesome :D  .
-the 7750 is not a really good choice for gaming, give us a budget and we'll try to help you.
-the ssd (if a budget build) is something you might want to reconsider t save some money.
-ram is good
-no idea what that case is

As for the motherboard, i have the asus p8h61m-lx plus in a similar build and have had 0 problem with it so far :)  .
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September 27, 2012 1:28:55 AM

2260121 said:
-The i3 is fine, i got the same and it's awesome :D  .
-the 7750 is not a really good choice for gaming, give us a budget and we'll try to help you.
-the ssd (if a budget build) is something you might want to reconsider t save some money.
-ram is good
-no idea what that case is

As for the motherboard, i have the asus p8h61m-lx plus in a similar build and have had 0 problem with it so far :)  .

Hm....... I heard i3s weren't that good when you were gaming. and he said BF3, you lose a comrade in BF3 with a dual core, the one that opens the gate. Thats why I recommended a quad core.
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September 27, 2012 1:30:08 AM

Your tip isn't so good. Reason being if I bought a 7970 then I'd have to buy a i7 3630k CPU which is just stupid. Once you get to an i5 that's all you really will need for gaming (until you get to 3-4 CF/SLI setups that is). That CPU would be fine with a 7850 and also get the ivy bridge i3. What is your budget I'll link you a build that's better. Only good advice that RPC gave was to drop SSD in this price range and to upgrade on the 7750.
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September 27, 2012 1:32:50 AM

Yes BF3 can be slightly limited by an i3 only when online playing large multiplayer maps. I'd still get the i3 though and spend the extra $100 on a GPU vs spending that money on a CPU. Overall the GPU will help much more in games.
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September 27, 2012 1:32:51 AM

andrewcarr said:
Your tip isn't so good. Reason being if I bought a 7970 then I'd have to buy a i7 3630k CPU which is just stupid. Once you get to an i5 that's all you really will need for gaming (until you get to 3-4 CF/SLI setups that is). That CPU would be fine with a 7850 and also get the ivy bridge i3. What is your budget I'll link you a build that's better. Only good advice that RPC gave was to drop SSD in this price range and to upgrade on the 7750.

Sorry, I am just going off what linus said, to avoid bottle necking. And, I said why I wanted a quad core in the reply. Sorry, respect to the veterans here, Fixing up works of noobs like me.
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September 27, 2012 1:34:17 AM

RPCGaming said:
Drop the SSD and get a better processor. If your gonna be running high end games *Tip* Always spend as much on the CPU as you do the Graphics Card. Let me check what matches a 7750 in price..... If you can (This is for gaming alot) Get a better graphics card, may I suggest a 7850 with a i5 2500k. If not, just upgrade the graphics card! Otherwise, Good build (Also, if you dont mind me telling. Black editions not a must.




Cool! Thanks for your info! I'll check out that processor and graphics card.
I was hoping not to spend over £130-140 for each component really, but if you think I'll need them for an awesome gaming experience then i'll definitely consider them!


Is there a mother board you could recommend that would suit them well?


Also, shall i just go for the blue edition of the WD 500gb HDD?


Thanks!!!
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September 27, 2012 1:34:17 AM

andrewcarr said:
Yes BF3 can be slightly limited by an i3 only when online playing large multiplayer maps. I'd still get the i3 though and spend the extra $100 on a GPU vs spending that money on a CPU. Overall the GPU will help much more in games.
Sorry about that trip up. Thanks for catching me on it. I have only build 1 computer before :) 
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September 27, 2012 1:35:39 AM

RPCGaming said:
Hm....... I heard i3s weren't that good when you were gaming. and he said BF3, you lose a comrade in BF3 with a dual core, the one that opens the gate. Thats why I recommended a quad core.

Really, is that how it works? :ouch:  Less core=less ally/ennemy? :lol:  That's so funny, but an i3 has 4 threads so dont know if BF3 would use it as a 4 core.

And agreed with andrew, a 7850 and 2500k for what seems to be a budget build...
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September 27, 2012 1:37:06 AM

guy_met said:
Cool! Thanks for your info! I'll check out that processor and graphics card.
I was hoping not to spend over £130-140 for each component really, but if you think I'll need them for an awesome gaming experience then i'll definitely consider them!


Is there a mother board you could recommend that would suit them well?


Also, shall i just go for the blue edition of the WD 500gb HDD?


Thanks!!!

You can keep that motherboard dont worry. and yes, blue or normal will suit it fine. And your gaming experience will be awesome. You can go lower than a i5, but like I said, under a quad core henders a little, thats where (If you dont mind it. AMD Comes to the rescue, pick up a new mother board and get you a 99$ AMD x4 955 Black Edition!
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September 27, 2012 1:37:45 AM

2260121 said:
Really, is that how it works? :ouch:  Less core=less ally/ennemy? :lol:  That's so funny, but an i3 has 4 threads so dont know if BF3 would use it as a 4 core.

And agreed with andrew, a 7850 and 2500k for what seems to be a budget build...

Not less enemies :)  just one less ally. and I dont think it would count as a 4core.
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September 27, 2012 1:41:38 AM

andrewcarr said:
Your tip isn't so good. Reason being if I bought a 7970 then I'd have to buy a i7 3630k CPU which is just stupid. Once you get to an i5 that's all you really will need for gaming (until you get to 3-4 CF/SLI setups that is). That CPU would be fine with a 7850 and also get the ivy bridge i3. What is your budget I'll link you a build that's better. Only good advice that RPC gave was to drop SSD in this price range and to upgrade on the 7750.



My budget is around £300-£350 overall.

Show me the way veteran!!


Cheers!
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September 27, 2012 1:42:26 AM

guy_met said:
My budget is around £300-£350 overall.

Show me the way veteran!!


Cheers!

Sorry about my blotchy advice :) 
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September 27, 2012 1:47:57 AM

RPCGaming said:
Sorry about my blotchy advice :) 


Haha, no no! it's fine!
It's good to get different opinions.

Thanks for your input!!!
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September 27, 2012 1:49:25 AM

Yea, I am currently building a 10 grand pc, I dont look into anything under 600 dollars really. So I cant help that much :) 
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September 27, 2012 1:55:32 AM

I was saying upgrade the GPU over the CPU. Since that's more important in games (for the most part).
On the processor look at this.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-4100-core-i3-210...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...

Here are the part's I'd get in about your price range I don't know what shop you use over in Europe though.

For optical drive get the cheapest that is SATA.

Get a 64bit windows 7 home premium

get an i3 3220 (or an 3240 if you can fit it in budget)

The caviar black is worth the slight price premium in my opinion. So keep that for HDD.

For a case I'd recommend an Cooler Master haf 912

Memory switch to two sticks of 4GB it'll be a bit faster than one. Almost any brand will do although I personally like G.Skill Also I'd get 1600 speed it'll be just a bit more than 1333. Although their truly isn't much of a noticeable difference (if any).

For the PSU a Corsair 500W builders series is normally the cheapest good PSU out there.

For GPU spend as much money as you have left. Look at 6850 or 6870 if you can. As for brand most of them are good, just look for ones with an aftermarket cooler it's better than the reference design. Also if you don't want to OC (overclock) the GPU look at getting a factory OC card.

For motherboard get an intel LGA 1155 socket motherboard. I'd recommend the one of the 7x series chip sets. Their won't be a performance difference unless you upgrade your CPU to an k series that can be OCed. As for brand most are good (ASUS, Gigabyte, Biostar, MSI and ASRock; listed in no specific order). So as for chipset the cheapest is B75, second H77 then Z77.

This will probably be a bit over budget as I don't know exact prices. Could you give me a website that you can buy from?
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September 27, 2012 1:58:48 AM

Why would you look at a 10K PC (honestly I don't believe someone would ever find a need/ use for this). On top of that I'd be hard pressed to even be able to spend that much money. Unless you spend like 5k on monitors alone.
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September 27, 2012 2:00:54 AM

andrewcarr said:
Why would you look at a 10K PC (honestly I don't believe someone would ever find a need/ use for this). On top of that I'd be hard pressed to even be able to spend that much money. Unless you spend like 5k on monitors alone.

Cooler Master Cosmos II Case 349.99
x3 Western Digital VelociRaptor 600GB 10,000 RPM Hardrives 209.99 each (659.97 total)
x4 Asus VG 27" 2MS Monitors 599.99 each (2,719.96 total)
x2 Asus GTX 690 4GB 512 Bit GDDR5 (Giving away the second borderlands 2 coupon) 1049.99 each (2049 total)
Asus 7.1 Xonar Essence Sound Card 229.99
Evga SuperNOVA 1500W 80 Plus Gold Power Supply 449.99
Azio Levtron Mech 5 Cherry MX Black Keyboard 109.99
Logitech G600 White Version 73.99 '
Artic Silver 5 Thermal Paste 11.99
x2 G.Skill Trident X 8GB 2800 599.99 each (1100 total)
ASRock x79 Extreme 11 LGA 2011 599.99
Intel i7-3960X 6 Core CPU 1,029
Windows 7 Ultimate 319.99
(Assortment of Cosmos II case fans that I upgraded)
Noctua NH-D14
x2 Samsung 830 512GB Sata III SSDs
Razer Chimera Headset
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September 27, 2012 2:00:54 AM

andrewcarr said:
Why would you look at a 10K PC (honestly I don't believe someone would ever find a need/ use for this). On top of that I'd be hard pressed to even be able to spend that much money. Unless you spend like 5k on monitors alone.

Cooler Master Cosmos II Case 349.99
x3 Western Digital VelociRaptor 600GB 10,000 RPM Hardrives 209.99 each (659.97 total)
x4 Asus VG 27" 2MS Monitors 599.99 each (2,719.96 total)
x2 Asus GTX 690 4GB 512 Bit GDDR5 (Giving away the second borderlands 2 coupon) 1049.99 each (2049 total)
Asus 7.1 Xonar Essence Sound Card 229.99
Evga SuperNOVA 1500W 80 Plus Gold Power Supply 449.99
Azio Levtron Mech 5 Cherry MX Black Keyboard 109.99
Logitech G600 White Version 73.99 '
Artic Silver 5 Thermal Paste 11.99
x2 G.Skill Trident X 8GB 2800 599.99 each (1100 total)
ASRock x79 Extreme 11 LGA 2011 599.99
Intel i7-3960X 6 Core CPU 1,029
Windows 7 Ultimate 319.99
(Assortment of Cosmos II case fans that I upgraded)
Noctua NH-D14
x2 Samsung 830 512GB Sata III SSDs
Razer Chimera Headset
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September 27, 2012 2:06:39 AM

And it'll be used for? Because most that stuff just isn't needed. Also why not 680's they'd perform better. 2800 speed ram is useless too. If you have 1Tb of SSD space theirs no need for the VelociRaptor. Are you going to be doing sound editing? If not no need for a sound card. Why 4 monitors if you game at most you'll use 3.
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September 27, 2012 2:11:30 AM

2752838,21,1028011 said:
And it'll be used for? Because most that stuff just isn't needed. Also why not 680's they'd perform better. 2800 speed ram is useless too. If you have 1Tb of SSD space theirs no need for the VelociRaptor. Are you going to be doing sound editing? If not no need for a sound card. Why 4 monitors if you game at most you'll use 3.[/x2 680s vs x2 690. dont see how that works. Im not really up to SSDs, I just think hardrives are more reliable. No sound editing, just trying to upgrade off my 6530b
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September 27, 2012 2:13:17 AM

RPCGaming said:
Cooler Master Cosmos II Case 349.99
x3 Western Digital VelociRaptor 600GB 10,000 RPM Hardrives 209.99 each (659.97 total)
x4 Asus VG 27" 2MS Monitors 599.99 each (2,719.96 total)
x2 Asus GTX 690 4GB 512 Bit GDDR5 (Giving away the second borderlands 2 coupon) 1049.99 each (2049 total)
Asus 7.1 Xonar Essence Sound Card 229.99
Evga SuperNOVA 1500W 80 Plus Gold Power Supply 449.99
Azio Levtron Mech 5 Cherry MX Black Keyboard 109.99
Logitech G600 White Version 73.99 '
Artic Silver 5 Thermal Paste 11.99
x2 G.Skill Trident X 8GB 2800 599.99 each (1100 total)
ASRock x79 Extreme 11 LGA 2011 599.99
Intel i7-3960X 6 Core CPU 1,029
Windows 7 Ultimate 319.99
(Assortment of Cosmos II case fans that I upgraded)
Noctua NH-D14
x2 Samsung 830 512GB Sata III SSDs
Razer Chimera Headset

:lol:  Best joke ever :lol:  A 10 000$ pc an you're not even watercooling? :kaola: 
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September 27, 2012 2:16:04 AM

No I'm saying x4 680. And if you don't trust SSD run Raid 1 and you still got 500GB of space. No need for any sound card then.

Rather than criticize why not explain why it's not smart to spend that much on a computer? Also that's more than I spent on my car :cry:  (in college and had to buy a 2009 cobalt, at least it's a manual :D  ) If you do get an 6 core CPU get the i7 3630k because they should OC the same and it's not worth the extra $450 for 3mb of cache and 100 mhz when you should be OCing it anyways.
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September 27, 2012 2:19:01 AM

2260121 said:
:lol:  Best joke ever :lol:  A 10 000$ pc an you're not even watercooling? :kaola: 
: planning on custom cooling, later.
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September 27, 2012 2:20:11 AM

andrewcarr said:
I was saying upgrade the GPU over the CPU. Since that's more important in games (for the most part).
On the processor look at this.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-4100-core-i3-210...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...

Here are the part's I'd get in about your price range I don't know what shop you use over in Europe though.

For optical drive get the cheapest that is SATA.

Get a 64bit windows 7 home premium

get an i3 3220 (or an 3240 if you can fit it in budget)

The caviar black is worth the slight price premium in my opinion. So keep that for HDD.

For a case I'd recommend an Cooler Master haf 912

Memory switch to two sticks of 4GB it'll be a bit faster than one. Almost any brand will do although I personally like G.Skill Also I'd get 1600 speed it'll be just a bit more than 1333. Although their truly isn't much of a noticeable difference (if any).

For the PSU a Corsair 500W builders series is normally the cheapest good PSU out there.

For GPU spend as much money as you have left. Look at 6850 or 6870 if you can. As for brand most of them are good, just look for ones with an aftermarket cooler it's better than the reference design. Also if you don't want to OC (overclock) the GPU look at getting a factory OC card.

For motherboard get an intel LGA 1155 socket motherboard. I'd recommend the one of the 7x series chip sets. Their won't be a performance difference unless you upgrade your CPU to an k series that can be OCed. As for brand most are good (ASUS, Gigabyte, Biostar, MSI and ASRock; listed in no specific order). So as for chipset the cheapest is B75, second H77 then Z77.

This will probably be a bit over budget as I don't know exact prices. Could you give me a website that you can buy from?



Awesome! thanks!

I've already bought the case so i just hope it's compatible with the components you've recommended.

I usually buy from either amazon, ebay, overclockers or jamdup.



Is it not worth combining an SSD at all then? I heard you can get a much quicker performance from your pc using one in conjunction with a HDD.


Nice one for your help!
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September 27, 2012 2:23:52 AM

Yes an SSD is nice for load times but in gaming it'll won't be beneficial as the caviar black is fast enough then. What I'm saying is that since your budget isn't that big it's better to spend that money on a better GPU over the SSD.

If you already have the case that should be fine. Just the one I mentioned is a bit better (in terms of cooling).
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September 27, 2012 2:46:56 AM

"For motherboard get an intel LGA 1155 socket motherboard"

Does this have a HDMI port on it?
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September 27, 2012 2:50:24 AM

guy_met said:
"For motherboard get an intel LGA 1155 socket motherboard"

Does this have a HDMI port on it?

you'll have a gpu so it doesn't matter.
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September 27, 2012 3:05:23 AM

Cool, i'll post back here in a few weeks once i've finalised and bought everything.


Thanks so much for your help!!!!
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September 27, 2012 3:27:25 AM

The LGA 1155 is just the socket so that your CPU fits into the board. For example if you got the LGA 1156 it wouldn't work. The chip set does matter though as the 7x series as I listed above natively supports ivy bridge CPU. Where as the 6x series has to have been given a software update by the manufacturer. For this reason I recommended you get the 7x series so that you won't have any compatibility issues (in case the motherboard has an old bios installed and you can't start it with the CPU at all).

As for the display output that won't matter as that's on the GPU.
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September 27, 2012 10:38:42 AM

andrewcarr said:
The LGA 1155 is just the socket so that your CPU fits into the board. For example if you got the LGA 1156 it wouldn't work. The chip set does matter though as the 7x series as I listed above natively supports ivy bridge CPU. Where as the 6x series has to have been given a software update by the manufacturer. For this reason I recommended you get the 7x series so that you won't have any compatibility issues (in case the motherboard has an old bios installed and you can't start it with the CPU at all).

As for the display output that won't matter as that's on the GPU.




Ok, so if I buy this:
http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?hl=en&newwindo...|cond=1

I will have no problems installing the ivy bridge 3240?

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September 27, 2012 11:13:02 AM

Yep, you just put it in the socket and you're done.
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September 27, 2012 1:33:14 PM

You were thinking of getting Corsair Vengeance 8GB (1x8GB) RAM.
Wouldn't 2x4GB be better (for dual channel)?
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September 27, 2012 1:52:00 PM

Yep that motherboard would be fine. Also as doraemon said and I said before that dual channel 4GB memory would be better.
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September 28, 2012 3:01:08 PM

doraemon said:
You were thinking of getting Corsair Vengeance 8GB (1x8GB) RAM.
Wouldn't 2x4GB be better (for dual channel)?




Yeh that's what I'm planning on doing now.

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January 16, 2013 11:36:49 PM

Hi,

I recently bought the Dell Alienware OptX AW2310 23" 3D- ready monitor.

I was planning on getting an AMD Radeon 7850 graphics card, but I've heard that this monitor might only accept Nvidia graphics cards with the Nvidia 3D glasses Dell talk about.



Could anyone telll me If I could get away with using the Radeon or do I need the Nvidia?

And If I could use different glasses other than the Nvidia ones with this monitor.



Thanks!!
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