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August 7, 2012 12:35:59 PM

Hi Knowledgeable folks, i have an issue regarding what card/cards to put in a machine i have recently inherited.

The machine is a phenom 9550, with 6 gb of ram, it currently has an 8500gt in and a 7600gs, i was tinkering with trying to get them sli'd but the custom firmware thing didnt work. Anyway in my reading up on that someone suggested a good setup from around that time would be 2 x1950 pro. These are reasonably cheap on ebay and if im lucky i could probably get both for about £30. Is this a wise move though? I'd be willing to spend about £40 and i dont care how old the cards are. I know i wont be able to play the latest games at the highest res the old monitor will do (1440x900). But being able to play the new releases at a lower res would be fine.

At the mo, i mostly play TF2, L4D2, Day-Z and I just reinstalled Arkham City to test the setup a bit (its bad)
a c 218 U Graphics card
August 7, 2012 1:31:19 PM

Going with 2 x1950s will really not perform all that well with modern games. They also produce tons of heat and are power hogs and could require you to get a new power supply.

That being said, I would dump both Nvidia cards you current have and forget about the ancient x1950s. Instead, I would suggest you go with a single modern video card, like an AMD/ATI HD6XXX or HD7XXX series or equivalent Nvidia product.

What are the complete specs for the system in question and how much budget do you have to work with?
August 7, 2012 4:32:06 PM

Thanks for the reply. The complete specs are Gigabyte GA-MA790FX-DS5 mobo, 6gb of ram 2 x 2gb crucial, 2 x 1gb Kingston, can't see the brand of PSU but its 450w and a good quality modular one, processor is actually the Phenom 9500. Win 7 ultimate 64bit.

My budget is about £40-50 because as i say, its an old inherited machine, just after getting a cheapish card from a few years ago, something that was good-ish at the time.
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August 7, 2012 4:42:16 PM

That looks great, but rare and more expensive on ebay bizarrely. I'm actually surprised i could get a new card that looks that good for that sort of money. Any other suggestions to go have a hunt on the bay for?
a b U Graphics card
August 7, 2012 5:13:15 PM

whooleo said:
That 6670 is just a tad bit weaker than a 9800 GT/8800 GT and more expensive.

power efficiency...
and show me some benches and charts..
I know the 9800GT might win but the technology is too too old.
also you linked eBay in US, the OP is in UK.. ;) 
OP really needs more money.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/317773-33-6670-perfor...
a c 218 U Graphics card
August 7, 2012 5:22:57 PM

I really suggest a new GPU. If you are willing to spend the money, you'll get a card that you know has no issues.

The HD6670 is a great choice, BTW. I have one in my wife's machine and it does quite well for all sorts of computing needs, including mid-range gaming.
August 7, 2012 8:47:38 PM

Yeah op should really stump up a bit more cash :p  but as i say this is a bonus machine so wasn't really planning on much outlay, plus if my missus saw i was going over the 50 ish mark there would be scowls and bad moods.

The 6670 looks like it might be the wiser choice, but as someone pointed out there might be issues. Is it one of the cards where its worth going for the 2gb model too?
a c 218 U Graphics card
August 7, 2012 9:49:24 PM

Stick with the 1GB version. Anything more is a waste of money for your uses.
a b U Graphics card
August 7, 2012 9:55:47 PM

+1
and there is possible issues with every card...
that's a worthless argument.
August 9, 2012 3:16:23 AM

Nice one fellas, been keeping an eye on a couple of HD6670s, but there's not many about, is there a slightly better and slightly worse card or setup you can recommend to give me more options please?
a b U Graphics card
August 9, 2012 3:18:56 AM

HD 7750
a b U Graphics card
August 9, 2012 3:23:37 AM

if you are on a budget and need a gpu, hit this guy up in the toms classifieds,

I already bought one of his zotac (reference) gtx 460s and this is the 1gb 256 bit kind not the se or 768mb variant!

80 w/shipping is a good deal imo

much more performance then youd get out of anything new in that price range

check it:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/104042-8-zotac-shippe...

edit: maybe a bit more to the UK but im sure the guy would work with you...

also make sure you have the psu to run it
August 9, 2012 4:32:03 AM

Is the 5570 worth considering as a lower option? Also thanks for the input jjb, do you know how the 460 compares to the 6670 etc, if there is a chart either of you guys know about that would help a lot.
a b U Graphics card
August 9, 2012 4:41:18 AM

its almost 100% faster then the 6670, 5570 even worse...

id put the 6670 @ ~ the level of the 9800gt
the gtx 460 is a great deal for 80 shipped!



a gtx 460 is comparable to a 6850 or a 6870 when oc'ed

in terms of 5 series nVidia gpus, its almost as fast as the 560 when oc'ed.. some of the ssc models even faster!
August 9, 2012 4:27:09 PM

Cool thanks very much for that. Its a pretty good price, about £50 delivered, i wonder if he would swap it for an x-fi titanium fatal1ty Pro, because i really don't see the point in keeping it.
a b U Graphics card
August 9, 2012 4:37:04 PM

does your power supply have the required 2 x 6-pin plugs.?
August 9, 2012 4:39:56 PM

Yeah, its modular and has three sockets for the 6 pins pci-e power, there is also a molex on the board the mobo manual says i should also use if using two cards.
a b U Graphics card
August 9, 2012 4:55:01 PM

look at the OP's processor......!
BOTTLENECK.

so lets ALL calm down in the suggestions.
August 9, 2012 4:59:41 PM

Nice one verbalizer, thats why i came here, you guys know about this stuff. I know what a bottleneck is, but what does that mean for this setup, that there is no point going for newer cards?
a b U Graphics card
August 9, 2012 5:01:17 PM

honestly it's time for some strategic planning and upgrading.
but if keeping this set-up for a minute then think about what and when you will be upgrading.
prioritize..
August 9, 2012 5:19:24 PM

Well i don't have the money at present to upgrade the whole thing, so i guess i will just have to stick to the graphics card for now, or go for a new processor and then go for a card in a few months. Bear in mind all this is going to have to be second hand. Personally i would rather go for the card first so i can play some stuff in the mean time while i save for a processor.

Like i mentioned previously i inherited an X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro, i would be willing to sell that to fund some upgrades, unless you really don't advise selling it. I have an audigy platinum i can put in to replace it, because i dont think i really need that good a card in this machine when i can get good money for it.

So prioritizing, i would say the card is most important to me at the mo ...
a c 191 U Graphics card
August 9, 2012 5:19:54 PM

verbalizer said:
look at the OP's processor......!
BOTTLENECK.

so lets ALL calm down in the suggestions.


Didnt even notice that lol. Time for some incremental upgrading. Maybe just start with either a new CPU or a new GPU and then upgrade the rest of it later. Like you could get a really nice card and just upgrade the rest of your stuff when the extra funds come in.
a b U Graphics card
August 9, 2012 5:22:07 PM

X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro - sell it..
a b U Graphics card
August 9, 2012 5:23:02 PM

with a 'nicer' GPU depending on how nice you will have a bottleneck.
do you have your current CPU overclocked.?
August 9, 2012 5:34:20 PM

Nope but ive been looking into it, only done a very small amount of OCing before about 7-8 years ago, using only 'safe' tools. Its only got stock cooling on at present, 2 of the ram sticks (the 2 2gbs) have cooling 2 don't.
a b U Graphics card
August 9, 2012 5:39:33 PM

stock cooling....
August 9, 2012 5:41:58 PM

Its an inherited machine ..... i didnt choose any of the parts on it, i am new to this end of pc stuff, so looking for a little help. Can you be less vague please? I don't get what you mean.
a b U Graphics card
August 9, 2012 5:44:02 PM

it has a sock cooler so no to overclocking..
August 9, 2012 6:12:35 PM

Ah right, i thought so, well thats another thing for the list when i upgrade the processor. Just put the X-fi on ebay. Hope it goes well!

So no OCing to be had for now and i've decided GPU, then CPU.

So the options seem to be,
8800gt or 9800gt, and deal with the bottleneck later, also, single or double the 88's or 98's?
HD6670, I do like the look of this option, but i don't fully understand the pros and cons
or the GTX 460, which looks a great card for the money according to the chart that jj posted, again, pros and cons?
a c 218 U Graphics card
August 9, 2012 6:25:45 PM

What make/model of motherboard are you using? That will impact what CPU upgrade path you can follow (or not) and how much money you would want to invest in this old tech vice just replacing the guts of this system with a newer generation of technology.
a b U Graphics card
August 9, 2012 6:27:37 PM

GTX 460 is worth taking with you when you upgrade.
your CPU will be a little detriment to the 460 but it's a good midrange card

so depending on the price get the 460 then use it when upgrading.
but note when you upgrade then you'll have to upgrade the 460 but you can take you time with that..
a c 218 U Graphics card
August 9, 2012 6:31:43 PM

verbalizer said:
GTX 460 is worth taking with you when you upgrade.
your CPU will be a little detriment to the 460 but it's a good midrange card

so depending on the price get the 460 then use it when upgrading.
but note when you upgrade then you'll have to upgrade the 460 but you can take you time with that..

+1 and less to buy down the road.
a b U Graphics card
August 9, 2012 7:28:14 PM

^no cpu thats worth upgrading to... time for a new build, save those paychecks
August 9, 2012 7:57:11 PM

My paychecks come when i give them to me! So guess i will have to drum up some more work. I don't think i will be upgrading this one any more than sticking a new card in then, a new build will have to happen slowly. In the meantime, i think i will try and find a bargain gtx 460, thanks for the tips and advice everyone :) 
August 9, 2012 9:28:41 PM

Oh, one last question, would there be any use in leaving the 8500 or the 7600 in as a Phys-x card if i got a 460?
a b U Graphics card
August 9, 2012 9:36:19 PM

Jamston said:
Oh, one last question, would there be any use in leaving the 8500 or the 7600 in as a Phys-x card if i got a 460?

NO.!
the 460 can do it all by itself and like I stated those cards are detriments not bonuses..
a c 191 U Graphics card
August 10, 2012 12:36:23 AM

You really dont need a Physx card. You'll be fine.
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