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My 1st Build: 3770K, 2 670s. Suggestions?

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September 27, 2012 10:53:52 PM

***Updating parts list as my mind is changed. Most importantly: switched from i7-3770k to i5-3570k***

Hello, I am a first time builder. I have been doing a fair amount of research over the past months and am finally ready to buy all my parts this week. But I am no expert, and would appreciate some suggestions/warnings.

- I will be using it for gaming/htpc, but also want to be reasonably future proofed (why I’m ok with paying an extra $100 for the 3770K).

- I plan on overclocking in the future, but I have no knowledge or experience doing it.

- I DON’T care how it looks, I only care about it’s performance and price.

- I am basically starting with nothing except my 2x 1.5 TB usb HDDs, as my only previous computer is a D830 laptop.

- Monitor Resolution: 1080p. Will eventually upgrade. Maybe 1440, maybe multiple monitors, maybe not.



Here are the parts I have chosen (updated):
(* = not yet ordered)


CPU: i7 2700K ($244) http://www.microcenter.com/product/376491/Core_i7_2700K...

MOBO: GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD5H ($138) [saved $50 with unlocked CPU + Mobo deal] http://www.microcenter.com/product/386359/GA-Z77X-UD5H_...

PSU: SeaSonic X750 Gold 750W ($110) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SSD: Plextor M5S 128GB ($90) http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

RAM: SAMSUNG 8GB (2 x 4GB) ($45) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case: COOLER MASTER Storm Sniper ($111 - 20MIR) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE 22X Internal DVDRW Drive ($18) http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...



* GPU: GTX 670. waiting on a deal for a good card. Won't be able to wait long now.

* OS: Windows 7 ($100) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

* CPU Cooler: ??? maybe H100?




I plan on buying a GTX 670 sometime between now and Christmas, and eventually a second one to SLI for an ultimate (at least for me) gaming rig. Until then I plan to test out the integrated graphics of the 3770 while waiting for a deal.
I also plan on buying a hard drive,and a good monitor and cooler, but am going to hold off on them for now, while I save some money.


My main questions are about the Motherboard, PSU, RAM, and Case

I really don’t know anything about power supplies other than “it should be at least 80+ Bronze certified”. I am assuming that 850W is the proper wattage for 2 670s in SLI, and based on that, I basically just chose the cheapest one I could find that was well reviewed and from a trusted company. I am willing to spend more if it is worth it. I also wouldn't mind saving some money here either.

I chose the HAF 912 because… well because I don’t really know what to look for other than something that is really big (for airflow and space), well reviewed, and cheap. Any recommendations would be appreciated
September 27, 2012 10:59:58 PM

There's no such thing as futureproofing. The 3770K will show no benefits over the 3570K except in photo editing/video editing. Just get the 3570K. At 1080p, a 670 will max anything out at 60FPS, so 2x 670's is a waste, if you ask me. Get one 670, and a 650w PSU.
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September 27, 2012 11:04:38 PM

Games don't use the hyperthreading of i7, and probably won't for years. i7 is only a benefit, over i5, for stuff like high-end photo/video editing, or for some design stuff. It does no harm to have i7, just doesn't gain you much.
Even with two 670's you won't need 850w. 750w is more than enough. Probably the best, reasonably priced, PSU at that level is XFX Pro series. They are modular, and actually made by Seasonic.
You will need aftermarket cooler to overclock. You should ensure RAM is lowest profile, to ensure clearance, to cooler.
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September 27, 2012 11:05:21 PM

If you want a good cooler, get the Hyper 212 EVO.
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September 27, 2012 11:18:31 PM

I know the i7 is mostly a waste for my needs, but I do occasionally do some video editting. Depending on the price of the i5 3750K at the moment I buy, I may just splurge anyway(Solely based on this chart http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html - 3770K=10,367, 3570=7721, which prob shows how little I know:) )

As far as PSU goes, are you sure that 750W is the right wattage for 2 670s? I read somewhere that you want to have the power supply operating at only half of its max most of the time. I am willing to spend the money for optimal reliability, but would love to save some $ on the 750W. any recs

RAM recs?
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September 27, 2012 11:22:18 PM

No need for 3770K just grab the 3570K and OC it later to 4.5. Get Noctua-D14 for cooling. Get 2x670 if you're sure that you're going to do a multi monitor or 1440p but even then just go and grab 2x 7970 GHz Ed for better price. And as stated above, you don't need a 850W but get it just incase you want worry free OCing and don't want to end up maxing out the psu.
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September 27, 2012 11:32:57 PM

OK. definitely gonna drop down to the 3750 if everyone thinks it a total waste of $80-100.
I may never get a 2nd 670 at all, but I just love the idea that I could throw another one of those bad boys into my machine in a year or two if I want.

I have been considering the AMD cards, but I've heard bad stuff about driver issues. And besides that, I saw a good 670 for $350 +a free game last month, and to me that seems better than even the amazing price I saw for a reference 7970 ($310) a few days ago.
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September 27, 2012 11:51:59 PM

Dropping the GSkills with the big fins and looking at Corsair Vengence low profile RAM now http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168....

I had been looking at the ASUS Extreme4, but I liked that the MSI GD65 has: THX TruStudio Pro, extra pcie expansion possiblities, and ,AFAI can tell, a better LAN chipset. Also, the GD65 is actually a little cheaper on Newegg right now (even before MIR)
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September 27, 2012 11:52:46 PM

nVidia itself recommend 500W for a single 670. Add 170W for SLI & recommended is 670W.
http://www.nvidia.in/object/geforce-gtx-670-in.html#pdp...


For testing conducted for SLI 670, the resulting system consumption for SLI is 433W of which 293W are attributed to the gpu cards.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-670-2-and-3wa...


If you use this psu calculator considering your components, the result is 664W (overclocked processor & used 680x2 to simulate gpu OC:
http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine


All points out to 750W being more than enough.For your motherboard i would suggest one of these mobo:ASUS P8Z77-V PRO LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/asus_p... <--- review w/benchmarks http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/ASUS-P8Z77-V-PRO... <--- review w/benchmarks http://www.techreaction.net/2012/06/28/review-asus-p8z7... <--- review w/benchmarks




mobo:GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD5H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/gigabyte_z77x_ud5h... <--- review of that motherboard w/benchmarks

http://www.techspot.com/review/521-intel-z77-motherboar... <--- review w/benchmarks

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/motherboards/2012/05/0... <--- review w/benchmarks

For a case i recommend any of these you need good air flow for them two cards plus good cable management options the 912 is a decent budget case but you don't use that for a high end build with two 670 lol. Case:COOLER MASTER HAF XM RC-922XM-KKN1 Black Mesh, Plastic, Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Case:Rosewill BLACKHAWK Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case, come with Five Fans, window side panel, top HDD dock
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Case:Antec Eleven Hundred Black Super Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Case:NZXT Phantom 410 CA-PH410-B1 Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN3-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case with USB 3.0 and Black Interior
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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September 27, 2012 11:57:55 PM

added the Hyper 212 EVO to my build

and dropped down to the 3750
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September 28, 2012 12:04:47 AM

i5-3570K, I hope you mean!
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September 28, 2012 12:10:45 AM

I take offense at the lambasting of dual card solutions, I have used sli and crossfire setups since the x1900 series cards were out and I have had no issues. 95 percent of all games will have no issues running on it, the other 5 percent have issues already with the drivers.

I have found a grand total of probably 2 games over the course of these years that don't necessarily play well with it, but you can simply disable sli and it plays perfectly. I swear by dual card solutions and have never noticed micro-stuttering. I also like having the extra card for several other reasons, such as should one of my cards fail I'm not sitting with my thumb up my ass waiting for a replacement. If you go to sell your computer later on, it is quite a nice buying point to have a dual card solution in your machine.
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September 28, 2012 2:11:40 AM

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-P8Z77-V-PRO-LGA-1155-Intel...
V-Pro ($200) vs GD65($140-125AR):
I didn't really think the V-pro was going to be worth the price difference.

- I see that it is better for OCing. 16 phase vs 12 phase means it... uhh... its better...right? **Don't worry, I will learn about OCing before fiddling with voltages:p **

- has pretty good audio .I was thinking about getting a solid sound card in the future, but this would probably be more than good enough for me)

- but I don't need some of the extras like Wifi and all those usb ports. And I doubt I'll use the 2nd GB ethernet.


vs UD5H ($182) http://www.compsource.com/ttechnote.asp?part_no=GAZ77XU...

- high-end audio
- great firmware interface; especially for beginners like me who don't know about power phases (according to the bit-tech article).
- but again, I won't need that many usb 3.0 headers or dual LAN.

I'm leaning towards the UD5H, but also considering the ASUS Maximus V Gene now, but am wary of the idea of using a microATX board.

Would love some feedback comparing the UD5H($180) to the GD65 ($140-125AR) and the V Gene ($190) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Thanks to everyone for the responses!
looking at psus and cases now!
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September 28, 2012 2:17:16 AM

Is there any reason to think that, in 2 years or so, games might be making better use of the hyper threading?
Or is the $80 DEFINITELY better spent on the motherboard for better OCing rather than the i7? (I know. I can't stop thinking about the 3770. I should just move past it. But I want to be told one more time before I give it up.)
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September 28, 2012 2:29:58 AM

Most games are ported from consoles, so its unlikely that games will start using hyperthreading. Also, games nowadays are made for the lowest common denominator, like people with Core 2 Duo's and Athlon II's. Games might use hyperthreading 5-6 years down the road, but by then, you'd be due for a new build. I'd get a 3570K with ASRock Extreme 4 and Hyper 212 EVO. Just overclock it to 4.5GHz and forget hyperthreading.
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September 28, 2012 2:47:45 AM

I wouldn't get Asrock extreme 4 if i was you it's a nice motherboard don't get me wrong but i don't like it. The only negative I have for this motherboard is that it slips outside of typical ATX specifications. It’s 3cm thinner than a standard ATX motherboard and as a result may lack secure mounting on the far side since this isn’t a common size, which also means you should be very careful when plugging in the 24-pin ATX motherboard power – as the motherboard may flex.And with two 670 on it i assume it will flex for sure. But for me that's besides the point when i buy something i expect it to be done right no flaws or at least quality assurance and making funky size motherboards and cutting corners is not something i find acceptable i guess it's a matter of what you consider acceptable and what you consider quality to each their own it's not a bad motherboard and asrock does make solid motherboards just that is not one of them imho.The reason why people buy it is because it's cheap and comes with lot's of options.And the reviews seem pretty good.
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September 28, 2012 3:37:00 AM

Here are a some PSUs that I'm looking at.

Rosewill CAPSTONE Series 750W 80+Gold ($104)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR HX Series 750W 80+Gold ($137AR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XFX Core Edition PRO750W 80+Bronze ($92) http://www.1stchoicememory.com/catalog/viewitem.asp?ID=...

Cooler Master RS750 GX Series 750W, 80+Bronze ($116)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Is Rosewill trustworthy enough to connect to an $1800 PC? Should I just go with the Corsair?
I could use some help finding the perfect 750W psu.
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September 28, 2012 3:53:40 AM

Cheepnis said:
Here are a some PSUs that I'm looking at.

Rosewill CAPSTONE Series 750W 80+Gold ($104)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR HX Series 750W 80+Gold ($137AR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XFX Core Edition PRO750W 80+Bronze ($92) http://www.1stchoicememory.com/catalog/viewitem.asp?ID=...

Cooler Master RS750 GX Series 750W, 80+Bronze ($116)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Is Rosewill trustworthy enough to connect to an $1800 PC? Should I just go with the Corsair?
I could use some help finding the perfect 750W psu.


I would go with either corsair or CDC as they are more reliable. And if you can get either one on sale I'd say pull the trigger. Better be sure than sorry.
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September 28, 2012 3:54:35 AM

The Rosewill CAPSTONE Series is very good they are build by Superflower which is one of the best.Corsair is a well known supplier of PSU's with top notch ratings with good value. The models made by Seasonic tend to be the quietest. The AX series is the best imo. Surprisingly even the CWT models are well reviewed although most are discontinued.XFX one of my personal favorites because of the aesthetics, all XFX power supplies are made by Seasonic and all highly rated as well.Cooler Master PSUs tend to be pretty crappy the one that are good aren't extraordinary for the price. The Enhance models are especially good. All of the Silent Pro series are quite good.


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September 28, 2012 3:56:01 AM

I mean xfx, stupid iPhone correction pos!
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September 28, 2012 4:26:16 AM

The MSI PE 670 is a beast! MSI Power Edition Architecture Boosts Overclocking Potential by 22.5%
The MSI GTX 670 Power Edition graphics card is based on the MSI Power Edition architecture: Afterburner's Triple Overvoltage allows the GPU, Memory and PLL(Aux) voltages to be adjusted . The Enhanced PWM design provides 25% more current than the reference design to ensure high stability during overclocking.


Twin Frozr IV: 20°C Cooler and 11.7dB Quieter than Reference Board
The MSI GTX 670 Power Edition is equipped with MSI's latest Twin Frozr IV Thermal Design. MSI's exclusive Dust Removal technology automatically reverses the fans at startup to prevent dust build-up dust and optimize the cooling module's ability to dissipate heat.


Patented Propeller Blade technology provides 20% more air flow over conventional fans and increases the effective cooling area. When combined with dual 8 cm temperature-controlled fans, SuperPipe technology, and a nickel-plated copper base, temperatures are effectively reduced by up to 20°C and noise by 11.7dB!


MSI's GTX 670 Power Edition uses the famous Twin Frozr IV cooler from the MSI Lightning and comes with a large clock speed boost out of the box, making its default clock speed even higher than GTX 680 stock clocks. MSI is asking a $30 price premium for their card, which doesn't look unreasonable, given the improved cooling and higher clocks.When you consider the free game and current rebate i think it's the best buy right now.I ordered two myself today.MSI GTX 670 PE = Silent + Better Overclocking.


http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_67... (MSI 670 PE Overclocking)


http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r... (670 PE OC)
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September 28, 2012 5:06:15 AM

Zeroing in now. Total cost for my build (without 670s) = $877


CPU: i5 3570K ($230) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MOBO: GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD5H ($179) http://www.1stchoicememory.com/catalog/viewitem.asp?ID=...

PSU: SeaSonic X750 Gold 750W ($110) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SSD: Plextor M5S 128GB ($100) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: 2x4GB Corsair Vengence low profile RAM ($40) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 820233186.

Case: Rosewill BLACKHAWK Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer ($90) http://rosewillinc.store.buy.com/p/rosewill-blackhawk-s...

OS: Windows 7 ($100) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Cooling: Hyper 212 EVO ($28) http://www.nextwarehouse.com/item/?1153333_g10e


Time for me to sleep on it. Looks like tomorrow will finally be the day!
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September 28, 2012 5:09:15 AM

Looks good enjoy!
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September 28, 2012 5:39:51 AM

The HAF 912 is an amazing case, I have it and it looks great (if you put an LED fan in the front it looks very nice through the mesh), it also comes with two fans, I put mine on the back / side and bought two for added cooling. Even if you are someone who goes for looks, there are mod tutorials for the 912 that allow you to modify the side panel to add a window and make it look nice. I would save the $30 and use it towards more RAM or something.

Also, your build doesn't include thermal paste and fans. Both are very important along with a DVD drive.

750watt seems a little high.
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September 28, 2012 5:49:05 AM

Noctua NH-D14 6-Heatpipe Dual Radiator CPU Heatsink w/ 140mm and 120mm Silent Fans ($80) http://3btech.net/nonh6duracpu.html

Tonight I dream about 670s and this fan

I'll think about boring stuff like DVD drives in the morning.
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September 28, 2012 5:51:03 AM

Nice build.

What kind of monitor do you currently have?

If you are close to a Microcenter they have the 3570k for $189 & $50 off motherboard you buy with it. Extreme 4 is a great mobo.
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September 28, 2012 5:55:23 AM

thetechnoobguy said:
The HAF 912 is an amazing case, I have it and it looks great (if you put an LED fan in the front it looks very nice through the mesh), it also comes with two fans, I put mine on the back / side and bought two for added cooling. Even if you are someone who goes for looks, there are mod tutorials for the 912 that allow you to modify the side panel to add a window and make it look nice. I would save the $30 and use it towards more RAM or something.

Also, your build doesn't include thermal paste and fans. Both are very important along with a DVD drive.

750watt seems a little high.
He doesn't need fans the case he picked comes with them Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard has onboard USB 3.0 headers, but the Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case does not have front panel USB 3.0 ports. Hes going to be running two 670's 750W gives him cpu and gpu's oc breathing room.But i know you were only trying to help. ;) 
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September 28, 2012 6:35:17 AM

I would make sure there are as many fans as the case could fit for optimal cooling.

I don't know anything about power and how much you need but it seemed a little higher considering I'm using 850watt for two high performance 680s, thats only 100 watt off. All well I guess I was wrong :) .
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September 28, 2012 1:52:03 PM

bigcyco1 said:
I wouldn't get Asrock extreme 4 if i was you it's a nice motherboard don't get me wrong but i don't like it. The only negative I have for this motherboard is that it slips outside of typical ATX specifications. It’s 3cm thinner than a standard ATX motherboard and as a result may lack secure mounting on the far side since this isn’t a common size, which also means you should be very careful when plugging in the 24-pin ATX motherboard power – as the motherboard may flex.And with two 670 on it i assume it will flex for sure. But for me that's besides the point when i buy something i expect it to be done right no flaws or at least quality assurance and making funky size motherboards and cutting corners is not something i find acceptable i guess it's a matter of what you consider acceptable and what you consider quality to each their own it's not a bad motherboard and asrock does make solid motherboards just that is not one of them imho.The reason why people buy it is because it's cheap and comes with lot's of options.And the reviews seem pretty good.



You're right about it flexing plugging in the 24 pin. I had to keep a few fingers under the board to support it. It was a pain plugging it in.
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September 28, 2012 3:22:36 PM

My only monitors are 1. a 17ish" 4:3 Dell monitor that I got from a friend's 4y/o pc and 2. a 40" 1080p LCD.

I figured that I could live with the combination of the Dell as my main monitor and HDTV for some gaming until I buy a new 23" LED monitor (probably TN), which will be in the next month or so.
I am definitely in the market for a monitor also and would love some recs for a good one for gaming.


As far as MicroCenter deals go, I have a sister who lives near one and can ship them to me. But I have never figured out how to get that $50 off CPU+Mobo deal. I can order both, but I never see any offer for a combo deal. I must be overlooking something really simple.

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September 28, 2012 3:34:56 PM

Cheepnis said:
My only monitors are 1. a 17ish" 4:3 Dell monitor that I got from a friend's 4y/o pc and 2. a 40" 1080p LCD.

I figured that I could live with the combination of the Dell as my main monitor and HDTV for some gaming until I buy a new 23" LED monitor (probably TN), which will be in the next month or so.
I am definitely in the market for a monitor also and would love some recs for a good one for gaming.


As far as MicroCenter deals go, I have a sister who lives near one and can ship them to me. But I have never figured out how to get that $50 off CPU+Mobo deal. I can order both, but I never see any offer for a combo deal. I must be overlooking something really simple.


For the $50 deal you have to get an unlocked processor and a z77 mobo. So either 3570k or 3770k. Add both to your cart and you will see the price on the mobo is $50 cheaper. I bought a 3570k and extreme 4 about a month ago and got the deal.
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September 28, 2012 7:05:41 PM

3570K + GA Z77A-UD5H = $340 (saving me $70 before shipping). Well, that is a great deal.
The only downside is that I am making my sister drive across Philadelphia, pay for the parts (so she can pick them up) and then ship them to me.

Someone needs to setup a business reselling Microcenter deals online. Even if a reseller took a $30 cut and spent $10 on shipping, I'd still be able to save $30 over other online prices.
Speaking of other online prices, are there any online retailers that have CPU and Mobo combo deals?
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September 29, 2012 2:55:26 AM

Ordering most parts today. CPU and Mobo to be bought on Monday via MicroCenter.


Still considering cases though. I would prefer no LEDs, but I haven't seen anything that performs better for the price than the Rosewill Blackhawk.



With the money I'm saving by going from the 3770k to the 3570k, and the microcenter deal, I am really thinking about getting a 670 immediately!

Before factoring in the cost of the 670s, the build in the original post comes to about $825. As soon as I see a good 670 for around $350 I'll be ready for some serious gaming, I think.
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September 29, 2012 3:17:54 AM

Oh i didn't realize you don't like that case get what you like without led or whatever here is this more your style ? Case:Corsair Obsidian Series 550D Black Aluminum / Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case:Fractal Design Define R4 Black Pearl w/ USB 3.0 ATX Mid Tower Silent PC Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case:LIAN LI PC-9F Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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