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September 28, 2012 7:46:17 PM

Hey guys, I've finally decide to ditch console gaming and move on to the world of PC gaming (yay). I'm a complete noob with gaming on the PC so I am just wondering if this system I have planned out would work:

PSU: ModXStream Pro 600W ATX
GPU: EVGA GF GTX 660Ti 2GB
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K
RAM: Corsair 8GB Vengeance
Motherboard: Gigabyte SKT-1155 Z77-D3H
CPU cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
Case: Antec Three Hundred
(I have a 500GB hard drive and an optical drive lying around that I plan to use with this build as well)

I've been researching for a week and this seems to come to a reasonable price within my budget. So basically I'm just wanting to know if this build would 'bottleneck' due to certain components or should I go ahead and build it?

thanks

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a b B Homebuilt system
September 28, 2012 8:46:18 PM

There is no bottleneck but I would change two things.

#1 You should go with a better psu get one of these.
xfx pro550w $45 http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=59615&promoid=1210
or
antec 520w $47 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

#2 At the $300 price range I would go with a hd 7950 but if you prefer nvidia the 660 ti is also a good card.

**edit
jtenorj good find on that xfx psu price that makes it a great deal.
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September 28, 2012 9:01:10 PM

The seasonic is too expensive for what it is. Get an xfx 550w(built by seasonic) with a 44A +12v rail(vs 40A on the seasonic). It has only 1 6pin and 1
8pin/6+2pin, but that is more than plenty for the hungriest of single gpu cards (not an advocate of multi gpu rendering, myself). It has been shown
able to deliver more than its rated wattage at higher than ambient temps(like inside a case) and deliver clean power while doing so by several sites
that know how to properly evaluate a psu. Has a ball bearing fan for longer life(vs shorter lived sleeve bearings0 and a 5yr warranty. Here's the link:

http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=59615&promoid=1210

Here is the newegg page for the xfx 550w with specs and site recommendations(that's kitguru.net, not kitguru.com)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If you can fit the 11.5 inch length, go for this card:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If it must be a geforce, get this:

www.amazon.com/dp/B008PFE4CW/?tag=pcpapi-20

If you case has major space issues, get this:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008VXYWV6/?tag=pcpapi-20

edit: darn, someone beat me to the xfx 550 recommendation. I agree about a cheaper 7950 and overclocking, or a gtx660ti with a decent cooler(especially the
Galaxy 3GB card, which was well received at hardocp). But if you do have major issues with space in your pc case,(never mind, you specced an antec 300. but you
should check out the antec 300 Two. Not many cases in that price range have so many great features except maybe the HAF 912).
a b B Homebuilt system
September 28, 2012 9:05:51 PM

I agree with the XFX PSU, will have to put that on my recommendations list. I like the 7950 and I think the case would support it, barely.

Eh, I tend to avoid Galaxy like the plague. Have had nothing but problems with their GPUs personally.

The Zotac on the other hand I recommend. My wife has a Zotac GTX560 that we have had zero problems with.
September 28, 2012 9:08:15 PM

The zotac is good, but not required with a decent sized case. The antec 300 Two can fit cards 12.5 inches in length(longer than any card out there).

Edit: The link I found at ncix for the xfx 550w is for only 44.99 with free shipping after a 10 dollar MIR. Got it by using the search box at ncix.com.
a b B Homebuilt system
September 28, 2012 9:08:44 PM

yeah that is a nice system... the 660ti will perform well! and the cpu is also good

like they have been saying get another psu and here is one(corsair, they are very trusty and have long as *** warranty[not that you ever need it :p ])
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
this one i recommend because it has a nice voltage and can supply any card you want with only 2 power ports it has 2 pci-e 6+2 connectors(basically its 6 pin but if you need 8 then it is also 8)

also this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
has a deal for 10% off today
September 28, 2012 9:13:26 PM

Thanks guys really appreciate the advice. Think it's a no brainer to get a different PSU then, will also have a look over some more GPU's before I go ahead and build this thing! Thanks again guys
September 28, 2012 9:14:30 PM

The cx500 and cx600 only have 34A and 40A on their +12v rails respectively. They also have sleeve bearing fans and shorter warranties than the xfx 550w.

I believe they are made by cit, which isn't a bad thing per se, but not as good as being made by seasonic like the xfx 550w.
a b B Homebuilt system
September 28, 2012 9:17:27 PM

hey have you looked at the hd 7870 ghz?
also look at the 7950 i think the price is near the 660ti now
a b B Homebuilt system
September 28, 2012 9:17:50 PM

also jtenorj the 40a is just fine
September 28, 2012 10:28:53 PM

Yes, 40A is fine for this build. However, a few bucks more gets you an even better quality psu.

You can get a 7870 for 200 bucks shipped after a 10 dollar mir:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It's almost as fast at stock as both gtx660ti and hd7950, and it's a pretty good overclocker as well.

7950 is cheaper than gtx660ti(see my links above) and a little faster at stock. Both overlclock very well. At least the Galaxy 3GB does(vs other gtx660ti).

You can get a gtx660ti to behave like a gtx670(better, in fact) and you can get a 7950 to perform better than 7970(non ghz ed.). 7950 may be faster.
a b B Homebuilt system
September 28, 2012 10:47:06 PM

jtenorj said:

You can get a gtx660ti to behave like a gtx670(better, in fact) and you can get a 7950 to perform better than 7970(non ghz ed.). 7950 may be faster.


You may be able to clock up the 660ti to match the 670, but with it's narrower memory bus, it won't be able to keep up with the 670 with things like AA turned up.

Of course, the 7950, OC'd that is, will perform better than both a 670 or 660ti with AA turned up and other goodies turned on.
September 29, 2012 12:03:57 AM

That's true. If I had around 300 bucks to puchase a new gpu, I'd go with a 7950 over a gtx660ti. The combo of both a 3GB frame buffer and more rops/
wider memory interface is appealing. I don't care much about physx or the games that use it. On a different note, I'd like to address power supplies:

Supplies like the cx430 and xfx 550w give you a good idea of what they are capable of based on their pcie connectors while cx500 and cx600 do not.

With a 28A +12v rail(336w), the cx430 could power an overclocked 965BE(maybe 181w at 4ghz+ and 110% of stock voltage) and an overclocked 7850
or gtx660(non ti) which max at 150 overclocked without modding them or using water cooling(or risking gpu, psu ,mobo, or anything connected to it).

With a 44A +12v rail(528w), the xfx 550w could power the same cpu and an overclocked HD7970(non ghz ed.) on its 1 pcie 6pin and 1 8pin/6+2pin.

The cx600 with a 40A +12v rail(480w) could handle the likes of a gtx590 or HD6990 on its 2 pcie 6+2pin connectors, but who wants those? You would also
be limited to what cpu you could buy with cards like those(maybe an overclocked 77w ivy i5 without changing voltage ie ~100w or a stock 95w sandy i5).

The cx500 with a 34A +12v rail(408w)has the same pcie leads as the cx600. If you try loading those up with a decent cpu, you're asking for trouble.

Power supplies are most efficient at about 60% load. Very small loads or very high loads can be damaging.

Ok. Maybe the cx600 isn't so unrealistic, but only with certain processors( no OCed 965BE and dual gpu card). An older model 130w i7 like 920 or 930
overclocked to 4ghz+ would be even worse. A 50% oc would be 195w, and a 10% voltage boost would put it around 240w. Maybe with an xfx 550w, but
not with a cx600. No system will hit anywhere near max tdp on all parts at once, not even if you ran prime95 and Furmark simultaneously(much less
something simpler like a game). These are hypothetical combos of cpu and gpu, but perhaps ya'll can see the point I'm trying to make.

Edit: Maybe a cx600 could do an overclocked 965BE and a gtx690, but I'm not a fan of multi gpu setups for several reasons. I also implied that I'm not
a fan of liquid cooling(though the 2 things are unrelated for the most part). I won't get into reasons I don't like sli/crossfire or watercooling at this time.
September 30, 2012 7:54:34 PM

Went ahead and ordered the Sapphire 7950. Think I'll need to reconsider the case because it looks like it will be a tight squeeze in there
a b B Homebuilt system
September 30, 2012 10:35:24 PM

maybe the haf 912? its 60 and you can take out the top harddrive bay to make it fit(i use it and a 7970 ghz
September 30, 2012 10:50:47 PM

PanicMaster85 said:
maybe the haf 912? its 60 and you can take out the top harddrive bay to make it fit(i use it and a 7970 ghz


Looks a nice case and not too pricey either. As long as I can get the GPU in I'm satisfied!
a b B Homebuilt system
September 30, 2012 11:04:46 PM

yeah... it wont look like it but the top hardrive bay has these clamps and when I took that out it gives you like 4-5 more inches... soooo yeah its a nice case, the only thing i would recommend that you get 3 120mm fans and 1 200mm fan
October 1, 2012 12:15:46 PM

You might consider the antec 300 Two for 49.99 at ncix(features like the HAF 912 plus front usb 3.0 ports, and it fits 12.5 inch video cards) :

http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=67326&vpn=THREE%20HUND...

Normally shipping is sort of expensive, but if you spend at least 50 bucks(bundle the 49.99 antec case with something else) shipping is free.

Here is the newegg page for that case with more info on the specifications. Just click on the details tab to read more specific information.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You might consider a hyper 212 plus over the hyper 212 evo(same heatpipes and heatsink). It's only 19.99 shipped after a 10 dollar MIR at newegg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Both have 12cm fans, but the 212 plus' fan is a bit slower(a bit less airflow & a bit quieter) while the evo's is a bit faster(a bit more airflow & a bit louder).

If you still want the evo(only 27.98 at ncix), you can bundle it with the Antec 300 Two so you can get them both shipped for free. Here's the link:

http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=64385&vpn=RR-212E-20PK...
a b B Homebuilt system
October 1, 2012 1:27:07 PM

I was looking at that too... I mean its a good case just not as circulated
October 1, 2012 2:37:41 PM

It's true the default config isn't the best, but op can move the 12cm fan(say to the front) if they want(or add some more like you suggested with HAF 912).
a b B Homebuilt system
October 1, 2012 3:42:00 PM

yeah, exactly i guess it really depends on how much the op would like to spend
October 1, 2012 3:59:28 PM

Right guys I've went ahead and ordered most of the build. Heres what I've went with:

PSU: Corsair CMPSU-600CXV2UK
GPU: Sapphire HD 7950
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K
RAM: Corsair 8GB Vengeance
CPU cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
Case: HAF 912 (planning on buying some fans for it next week)

However, I'm still yet to make a decision on the motherboard...
October 1, 2012 4:01:10 PM

The HAF 912 is the same price at ncix right now(but no usb 3.0 in front) and superbiiz is only 50 cents less(but costs a lot for shipping). HAF 912 @ncix:

http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=55583&vpn=RC-912-KKN1&...

I'd go with the antec. Both could benefit from a few more cheap 12cm fans, but the antec's simple design is easer to mod(if op wants). USB 3.0, too.

Edit: I'm working on typing faster, but it's a process that doesn't happen overnight.
a b B Homebuilt system
October 1, 2012 5:25:33 PM

he already ordered it :/ ... Also the HAF 912 is a good case and here are the fans that i use(the fan in the back i just left the same)

For front(2) side(1) so a total of 3
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0026ZPFBG/ref=oh_deta...

then on top(1) you will see what i mean once you see the case in person
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002LE8BJA/ref=oh_deta...

on the case there is 2 120mm that come with it 1in front and one in back, just take the one in front out(if you want too, I mean it looks better with the 2 leds)

also for the side put this on it to reduce dust in case(easy to clean just put a vacum up to it and all of the dust should come out.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0036WTDHK/ref=oh_deta...

One last thing put the dust cover on the side and have the 2 120mm in front pull in and 1 on side pull in... also have the 120mm in back pull out and 200mm on top pull out as well.

Hope this helps!

P.S. Be sure you have a screwdriver that is small enough to turn the screws... and be sure it has a grip... you have to make the grooves in the plastic and if you dont have a nice screw driver(i did not) it is very hard and painfull to get in... also make sure that your psu has enough molex plugs to power all of the fans(1 molex plug per fan)

also the mobo jtenorj looks good but be sure to keep looking before you make your decision
a b B Homebuilt system
October 1, 2012 5:36:59 PM

here are a few mobos
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Intel-DDR3-Motherboard-G...

http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Intel-DDR3-Motherboards-...

(this one is a nice one but around 135)
http://www.amazon.com/LGA1155-CrossFireX-Motherboard-Z7...

P.S- The HAF 912 is a very sturdy case and is quite heavy... its make out of plastic and metal... and it looks/feels like good quality, its a nice case and if you really want a window on the side of it there is this.
http://www.cmstore-usa.com/haf-912-transparent-acrylic-...

October 1, 2012 5:45:15 PM

Thanks guys, I'll look in to them motherboards and decide soon which one it will be. Them fans with the LEDs look nice, especially on that case! Also Panicmaster, will a Hyper 212 evo fit in to this case well enough? I hear it sticks out quite a bit and just wondering if this case has the width to support it
a b B Homebuilt system
October 1, 2012 5:47:40 PM

If you would like i could take a picture of my case and upload it
a b B Homebuilt system
October 1, 2012 5:48:25 PM

oh dont worry about that i use the hyper 212 plus and i think its the same size just different in some ways
October 1, 2012 5:51:04 PM

PanicMaster85 said:
oh dont worry about that i use the hyper 212 plus and i think its the same size just different in some ways


That's great. Looks like I'm all set then as soon as I decide on this mobo! I'll let you guys know how I get on building it
a b B Homebuilt system
October 1, 2012 5:57:07 PM

OK
October 1, 2012 6:24:44 PM

Since you ordered i5 3570K(an unlocked cpu), you will want a mobo than can overclock it(I don't think B75 is capable of that). Also, z68 mobos may require a bios update before they will post with an ivy based cpu. That means buying a celeron, borrowing a cpu, getting a local shop to flash the bios(maybe free, maybe for a fee), or mailing in the mobo so the company can flash the bios and mail it back to you(may cost you in postage). z77 will both support and overclock a i5 3570k right out of the box. I know the asrock extreme 4 board has gotten some good press, but I am a bit concerned about recommending it after having read the newegg user reviews(they get what they get, while some review sites may have gotten cherry picked boards). It's quite a bit more expensive than the biostar board, too.

Edit: The evo will fit. It and the plus are the same size. The HAF 912 and antec 300 Two are both 9 inches wide. Those coolers fit well in a case 8 inches wide or more.
a b B Homebuilt system
October 1, 2012 6:29:16 PM

yep
a b B Homebuilt system
October 1, 2012 6:31:38 PM

im actually not sure if the 7950 can fit in the antec... the haf 912 is about the same size and the only reason it can fit is because you can take out the extra harddrive bay
October 1, 2012 6:46:14 PM

If the sapphire the op bought is the one that was linked(<11.5 inches), it would fit in the antec 300 Two(12.5 inch clearance). However, the op went ahead and got the HAF 912. It normally has a clearance of 10.6 inches, but the op can easily remove the top hdd cage of the two installed to fit cards as long as 15.4 inches. There's room for several hard drives in the lower cage and the optical goes above in the cpu and ram area. The sapphire will fit. Edit: here's that sapphire again(scroll 4 size) :

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Here's a link to the HAF 912 page on amazon. Scroll down for a pic of the inside showing graphics card clearance with and without the top hdd cage:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003ZM7YTA/?tag=pcpapi-20
a b B Homebuilt system
October 1, 2012 6:50:13 PM

ahh thanks for clearing that up for me
October 4, 2012 10:30:02 PM

Built the computer and all is good until I boot the thing up. It seems to fail every time I turn it on and I'm taken to startup repair where I get the following message:

Problem signature:
Event name: StartupRepairOffline
01: 6.1.7600.16385
02: 6.1.7600.16385
03: unknown
04: 21200010
05: AutoFailover
06: 9
07: BadPatch

I've looked around for about an hour but can't seem to find any solution. Anyone know what could be the problem?
a b B Homebuilt system
October 4, 2012 10:39:45 PM

and you have windows installed?
October 4, 2012 10:54:05 PM

Yep, it was on the hard drive that I put in
a b B Homebuilt system
October 5, 2012 12:09:23 AM

oh well thats the issue you have to reinstall windows you cant use the one you had on your old computer... reinstall using the new thing(it saves your files in a folder called windows.old) and yeah report back
October 5, 2012 3:30:10 AM

If your copy of windows is retail you can reinstall, but not if you have an oem copy. Oem copies of windows are tied to the first mobo they're installed on.
a b B Homebuilt system
October 5, 2012 4:11:06 AM

yep reinstall the windows that is a big part
October 5, 2012 7:12:06 AM

Yeah its a retail copy so all should be good. I'll give it a shot then get back to you guys
October 5, 2012 12:15:47 PM

If you have already backed up any important data on the drive to other media, you may want to format the drive first so you destroy any trace of old mobo drivers and drivers for other devices. That way when you reinstall windows, you will have a truly clean slate and the smoothest experience.
October 5, 2012 3:06:34 PM

Ok so it hasn't been a smooth a ride as I hoped. It won't let me do anything when I attempt to install a 64 bit windows 7. It won't let me format any of the partitions, I can't upgrade and it won't even let me access the disk repair part as it constantly just gives me a handful of errors. However, 32 bit seems to be working alright. Was able to format a partition and its installing now, would much rather have 64 bit though as I've got 8 gigs of ram I don't want to go to waste
October 5, 2012 6:12:56 PM

Forget that last post, managed to get it installed. However now it's the graphics card that seems to be holding me back. The fans are spinning and it seems fine but the computer just doesn't detect it at all, even installed the drivers.
October 5, 2012 7:21:43 PM

What mobo did you go with? Did you install using the video ports on the mobo or the gpu? Did you need to switch video cables/connectors?
a b B Homebuilt system
October 5, 2012 8:17:11 PM

yeah that is strange... hmm try another pci-e port or just restart once without it and another with it
October 5, 2012 8:46:45 PM

Finally! Took me hours but realized it was to do with the pins connecting to the PSU. (Theres an 8 pin and a 6 pin and finally found out that I had to use two six pins plus a two pin). Installed the drivers and bingo, there it was! :)  Now in the process of installing some games to see how this thing performs. thanks again guys couldnt of done it without your help!
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