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I5 3450 and Radeon 6850. Or Fx 4100 and Radeon 6870.

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September 29, 2012 1:21:56 PM

Its an ongoing question in my head, i have 230 pounds to spend on the cpu and gpu. But I don't know if I need a more powerful graphics card or a more powerful cpu. It goes down to the usage so here's what I will use it for.

General use, (photoshop, skype, internet browsing, gaming, from games like just cause 2, to minecraft, the monitor is 1080p.)

the fx will only be overclocked on stock cooler to around 4ghz. but thers not a huge difference so theres no need to consider that.

Thanks.
September 29, 2012 2:26:24 PM

Please for the love of god, do not get a 4100. They are a failure in gaming. This is coming from an AMD fan. If you are able to wait, I would wait for piledriver, or go for the good choice and get the i5. The 6850 isn't the best you can get by any means, but it will do the job. My recommendation is save up for an i5 and a 7850 or a 6870. The 7850 is superior however.
Anonymous
September 29, 2012 2:37:53 PM

though the 6870 is about 12% better while gaming than the 6850; the i5 will give you a vastly better performance in everything.
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September 29, 2012 2:42:47 PM

The i5 and the HD6850.
The 6850 isnt all that powerful, especially considering the new Radeon HD8000 series is releasing somewhat soon. So chances are that will be upgraded sooner then later. You might as well get the better CPU now, so when you eventually upgrade you don't have to replace the CPU as well.
September 29, 2012 3:03:52 PM

Any idea when the 8000 series is coming? So i guess the i5 is the only option for a good long lasting pc. That's the motherboard I would have to get,

Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H

I would have no money for the 7850 if i was to get the i5, although.

September 29, 2012 3:05:42 PM

Another possible option is getting in i3-3220, and a 7850. That would be a fantastic set up.
September 29, 2012 3:13:12 PM

Get the AMD Phenom II 965. Its only $90 on newegg right now and itll more than enough to play any modern game.
September 29, 2012 3:18:11 PM

the 3450 w will give you way more horsepower in photoshop, and well, everything else for that matter.. shoot i'd take one of the ivy bridge i3s over a 4100 but then again the 4100 is unlocked and has quite a bit of headroom
September 29, 2012 3:19:59 PM

+1 to the Phenom II x4 965 idea.

The Radeon HD8000 Series is estimated around December. And if a leaked spec sheet of the 8800 cards (mid-range) is accurate, will be very competitive in pricing.
September 29, 2012 3:47:38 PM

if you can stretch it to $310 (300 with rebate,free shipping), you can get the AMD 965 and a HIS 7870 from newegg
September 29, 2012 3:50:12 PM

^ they are for purely gaming, where the differences between cpu's are not as large. I'm looking at general useage where unless i can request someone to show performance with a video, and not the standard benchmarks which dont show that its like of general use.

I'm not sure about the i3 3220. there is no reviews to say about it.
Anonymous
September 29, 2012 3:53:02 PM

dissbelief said:
if you can stretch it to $310 (300 with rebate,free shipping), you can get the AMD 965 and a HIS 7870 from newegg

new egg? you know how much shipping would be to the UK?
:pfff: 
September 29, 2012 3:55:59 PM

A Phenom 965 if a quad-core processor that can be Oced to 4ghz in 30secs. If you want 4 solid threads for programs like photoshop and general use, youll get buy for at least 2 or 3 years to come (probably more). If you're not spending over $500 on a GPU, you dont need anything more than a Phenom 965
September 29, 2012 3:56:54 PM

Anonymous said:
new egg? you know how much shipping would be to the UK?
:pfff: 

They can ship it to me and then Ill ship it to them for free!!!
September 29, 2012 3:56:58 PM

That was at the article poster. my pricing was in pounds so it ends up cheaper. but being british, newegg does not ship to me so the prices are much higher. £77 for a phenom and its £178 for the 7870

But a phenom, although more powerfull, reviews say its fan is loud, not good. so i would need a aftermarket cooler. and they are all too large for my liking, is there a solution to that?
September 29, 2012 4:06:10 PM

striiker said:

But a phenom, although more powerfull, reviews say its fan is loud, not good. so i would need a aftermarket cooler. and they are all too large for my liking, is there a solution to that?


Stock cooling outright is horrible, you will experience this with Intel CPU's as well.

Not really, any small or slimline CPU cooler would still be as loud as stock.
Though I dont understand your aversion to "large" heatsinks unless your using a micro-ATX case.
The Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO is a great budget cooler.
September 29, 2012 4:07:49 PM

Too bad you couldn't find an OEM 965BE. It takes the same HSF's that fit on the socket 1155 mobo's. I bought a Xigmatek Gaia for my pc, it's comparable to the Coolermaster hyper 212 and it does have brackets for sockets AM3 and 1155. And it's pretty quiet.
September 29, 2012 4:10:19 PM

dissbelief said:
What if the OP wants to know the effect L3 cache has on gaming? :) 

Then he can ask in the comments section on that article!!!!!!! lol just kidding
okay so maybe not allllll questions but you've gotta admit that they are pretty informative.. and god damn I'd keep my distance from AMD these days unless you were looking to use integrated graphics in which case trinity seems to kick ass.. sandy bridge and ivy bridge core i3s provide great platforms for budget based systems. If the budget is really tight then get a pentium g630. It's $70 and performs the same as the Phenom II 955.
Lookie here - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...
September 29, 2012 4:16:00 PM

He doesn't need a 7870. A msi 7850 can overclock past stock 7870 speeds. An amd 965 is a good option. For his budget right now, I would say it is a toss up between an i3 and the 965.
The i3 will play most games better than the 965. However, the 965 will do multi-threaded applications such as photoshop better than the i3. The 965 is unlocked, so it can be OC'ed to almost match the i3. (i3 2120 and 3220 are essentially equivalent.)
If it were me, I would probably go with the 965.
For a quiet after market cooler, go with this.
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(I know, its newegg, not a UK site. It's just a reference)
I couldn't find it on a UK website but I found this, which will work as well.
http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/cooling/c...
September 29, 2012 4:28:18 PM

As long as you mount the board properly, you wont have a problem with it breaking under the weight of a heatsink. The backplate on most aftermarket coolers (including the 212 EVO) serves to spread the weight.

There are two options you have.

Stick with the small stock or aftermarket heatsink, that will have a small fast spinning fan. It will be loud and wont cool as well as an aftermarket. This will happen with Intel stock cooling as well.
Or
Get a large aftermarket heatsink with a larger, slower fan. Wont be as noisy and will cool significantly better than stock. But you have to deal with a bit of complexity when building it (its not overly hard, I used a 212 EVO before I moved to water cooling) and the (IMO) non-existent possibility of your board breaking.
September 29, 2012 4:44:06 PM

dissbelief said:
What if the OP wants to know the effect L3 cache has on gaming? :) 

Then he can ask in the comments section on that article!!!!!!! lol just kidding
okay so maybe not allllll questions but you've gotta admit that they are pretty informative.. and god damn I'd keep my distance from AMD these days unless you were looking to use integrated graphics in which case trinity seems to kick ass.. sandy bridge and ivy bridge core i3s provide great platforms for budget based systems. If the budget is really tight then get a pentium g630. It's $70 and performs the same as the Phenom II 955.
Lookie here - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...
Anonymous
September 29, 2012 4:59:15 PM

manofchalk said:
As long as you mount the board properly, you wont have a problem with it breaking under the weight of a heatsink. The backplate on most aftermarket coolers (including the 212 EVO) serves to spread the weight.

not disputing what you're saying just putting this out for the OP

with a new system; cpu, motherboard, ram and gpu; it is usually a good idea to "breadboard" it before putting it in the case. (it is not a big deal to remove the PSU and a HD from an exisiting case) so that way if you run across a problem it can be a bit easier to troubleshoot and immediately removes the possibility of a short.

point being: it is a lot easier to install the cpu and heat sink outside the case than inside. when you get done "breadboard" then just remove the graphics card to mount it in the case (leaving the cpu/heatsink and ram on the motherboard).
September 29, 2012 5:00:07 PM

If you can work a 7850 into your budget, you'll be a happy gamer for years to come. I bought my GTX 460 2 years ago and it still does well with modern games but its showing its age though. A 7850 would kill it and youll have the option to crossfire. Unless you need heavy CPU resources, any modern CPU will do. For gaming, pump all you can into the GPU. RAM, HDD, CPU, motherboard, etc all have little effect when it comes to your FPS. You can cherry pick benchmarks to show otherwise, but when you are gaming at 1080p, and you want more detail and higher FPS, only the GPU will do that.
September 29, 2012 5:57:43 PM

I see your point now. ill look into getting the 212 if the case has room on the back (its an elite 430)

for the gpu, i can't afford a 7850 if i get an i5. and i wont be gaming all the time. and it still leaves me with not much money. and the sound of an i3 seems underpowered with its name, and with only 2 true cores. it wont be as good because most games are now using more cores so ect.
September 29, 2012 7:18:24 PM

striiker said:
I see your point now. ill look into getting the 212 if the case has room on the back (its an elite 430)

for the gpu, i can't afford a 7850 if i get an i5. and i wont be gaming all the time. and it still leaves me with not much money. and the sound of an i3 seems underpowered with its name, and with only 2 true cores. it wont be as good because most games are now using more cores so ect.

In gaming, you won't notice much of a difference between the i5 and the i3. In other applications, such as photoshop, the i5 would be much better.
September 29, 2012 8:31:19 PM

Hm, so an i3 + radeon 7850. or an i5 and 6870.
September 29, 2012 11:41:11 PM

If you game more, than go with the i3 and the 7850. If you photoshop and do multi-threaded apps more, get the i5.
February 9, 2013 4:57:03 PM

Op, what did you end up getting? I'm looking into getting the i5 but don't have the budget for the 7850 either.
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