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September 30, 2012 2:35:06 AM

Hey Everyone,

I know i might be annoying to some of you who already reply to my questions, But every time i do some hardcore research i end up getting confused. What I am confused about is which CPU & CPU Cooler i should get. i7 or i5, Noctua or some kind of cooler. I just don't know.

I'm looking for A LOT OF FEEDBACK, please!
Even if you don't want to give some detailed response just type a "+1" and your done.
And if you do give a detailed response I'll love you forever like i love bigcyco ( Your name should be Bigcoyo)

I'll be playing High-Detailed games such as
- Battlefield3
- Minecraft( Shaders n' *** ) XD :) 
- Arma Series
- Metro 2033
- And possibly every game that i might like in the future. :/ 

Here are my Specifications:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($83.26 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V PRO ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($189.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($41.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($94.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($399.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 600T White Graphite ATX Mid Tower Case ($130.94 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 750W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($111.71 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Acer GD235HZbid 120Hz 23.6" Monitor ($249.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($91.10 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Razer Blackwidow Ultimate 2013 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($138.99 @ Newegg)
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Wired Optical Mouse ($48.93 @ Amazon)
Total: $1881.85
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

Please Help a Noob in Need.

- Thanks :) 
September 30, 2012 3:14:39 AM

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/iULf

Really good CPU, could be a 3770k
You could get a better MOBO
I swapped the video card for a similar one.
Changed case
Changed PSU
Changed keyboard to a similar one.

Looks Good!
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September 30, 2012 3:21:01 AM

^^^ Better build, but just get an Extreme4 and spend the cash elsewhere. Seagate has had a ton of failures. Get WD/Spinpoint.
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September 30, 2012 3:31:50 AM

For the Galaxy GTX 670. Can i stick with the Power edition?
In battlefield3, it preforms at a big frame rate for a single card.

People say Asrock boards are built cheap for a reason. Thinner boards, wrong screws, etc...

As for the Case, Will the CM have better airflow than the 600T?
I really like the Design for the 600T.
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September 30, 2012 3:45:19 AM

I have an Extreme4 and its great. It's a little bit thin, but I don't understand what you mean by wrong screws. It will fit in any ATX case.
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September 30, 2012 3:45:51 AM

Build you have specced is dead on, nothing to change.

Stick with the MSI 670.
I have had no problems with my AsRock board. It is slightly smaller than ATX standard, but that isnt an issue IMO.
When you get to the higher end cases, there is very little cooling difference between them. Its more the number of drives supported, features, aesthetic and physical size that differentiates them. The 600T is a good case, will be fine.
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September 30, 2012 3:52:00 AM

Would you Recommend a Asrock Extreme 4 over a Asus Board?

Not to be a Smart Alec but here i quote from a recent forum "Also, the screw positions aren't standard atx, they removed all of the screw points on the right of the board.It’s 3cm thinner than a standard ATX motherboard and as a result may lack secure mounting on the far side since this isn’t a common size, which also means you should be very careful when plugging in the 24-pin ATX motherboard power – as the motherboard may flex. This also makes the right side of the board feel flimsy when putting in cables. But it doesn't hinder anything if you're careful.(Not all Asrock motherboards are like this only some the ones that cost over $200.00 they don't cut corners on always still it's a gamble)."

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September 30, 2012 3:59:24 AM

Which ASUS board? Need to be a bit more exact than a whole brand. But in general, yes. ASUS products are often overpriced for what they offer.

Like I said above, it is a bit smaller than ATX standard, so the far right mounting holes wont line up with your case. I personally dont find this an issue, just put your fingers under the board when plugging the 24pin in.
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September 30, 2012 4:06:54 AM

An Asus P8Z77 V-pro. I know i may be paying for the "Asus" Brand but i want to ensure that it goes well, as this is my very first hands on build.
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September 30, 2012 4:08:57 AM

JetD said:
Hey Everyone,

I know i might be annoying to some of you who already reply to my questions, But every time i do some hardcore research i end up getting confused. What I am confused about is which CPU & CPU Cooler i should get. i7 or i5, Noctua or some kind of cooler. I just don't know.

I'm looking for A LOT OF FEEDBACK, please!
Even if you don't want to give some detailed response just type a "+1" and your done.
And if you do give a detailed response I'll love you forever like i love bigcyco ( Your name should be Bigcoyo)

I'll be playing High-Detailed games such as
- Battlefield3
- Minecraft( Shaders n' *** ) XD :) 
- Arma Series
- Metro 2033
- And possibly every game that i might like in the future. :/ 

Here are my Specifications:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($83.26 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V PRO ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($189.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($41.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($94.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($399.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 600T White Graphite ATX Mid Tower Case ($130.94 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 750W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($111.71 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Acer GD235HZbid 120Hz 23.6" Monitor ($249.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($91.10 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Razer Blackwidow Ultimate 2013 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($138.99 @ Newegg)
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Wired Optical Mouse ($48.93 @ Amazon)
Total: $1881.85
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

Please Help a Noob in Need.

- Thanks :) 


that's a pretty good build,just get this keyboard and mouse-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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September 30, 2012 4:20:28 AM

If you break it down to its features, there is little difference between the P8Z77-V Pro and the Z77 Extreme4.

Same chipset.
Same number of 3gb/s and 6gb/s SATA ports.
Both have the same RAID options on the SATA ports.
Both support dual Crossfire/SLI with PCI-3 8x slots.
Same number of rear USB2 and 3 ports. The ASUS does have more internal connectors though.
The (IMO pointless) Displayport out on the ASUS is countered by the eSATA port on the AsRock.
Both have the same warranty period of 3yrs.

Advantages to the AsRock.
Significantly cheaper, $80 less on Newegg.
Two CPU fan headers vs the ASUS' one.
Clear CMOS button on rear I/O.
LED debug system.

Advantages to the ASUS.
Inbuilt Wifi.
Extra USB internal connectors.
An extra Gen 2 PCI-express connector at x4 bandwidth (wouldnt advise putting a GPU on that).
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September 30, 2012 5:03:59 AM

" looks and review "
performance>>>>>>>>>>........>>>> looks
are you talking about newegg reviews? forget it bro.check out a review site for accurate results.
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September 30, 2012 7:57:35 AM

Stick with that Asus board, the Extreme 4 is for those who don't have the budget for the quality Asus. Extreme 4 board is thinner (thus why it is cheaper) and very easily bended when you apply pressure installing heatsink.
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September 30, 2012 8:08:09 AM

I like the setup as I think others have added to as well with minor changes based on flavor. Now I wanted to comment on the keyboard now Razer sells a more quiet version of the blackwidow I'll provide a link and maybe you will like it better since mechanical keyboards are a bit more on the load side. Also, something really quickly the corsair case I had for a day and it really wasn't good airflow for my video cards I had two 560ti's in sli and they were running at 87 degrees C under load was freaking me out. Another good case you may want to look at it this one.

http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-keyboards-keypads/razer...


Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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September 30, 2012 10:49:23 AM

Okay, Since i have the money I'll sick with the Asus P8Z77 V-PRO.

Bigshootr, I like the suggestions! thanks!
I'll get the Keyboard definitely.

I did some research on the Corsair 600T having bad airflow and popped up with some reviews of it. Since the Sniper still looks slick and is made by Cooler Master i will get it.

Since the case is mid tower, I was wondering which CPU Cooler would be the best?
I'll go anywhere in the budget but only if it's a reasonable price. I don't want the Noctua because it will take up much space in the case. Any suggestions would be helpful. :) 
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September 30, 2012 11:04:23 AM

Sorry if I'm throwing a wrench in on the mobo discussion. I have an ASRock Extreme 4 with a 3570k in it. Yes the mobo is a little shorter than ATX standard and doesn't reach the final row of screws on the right. Is it a big deal? Not really, just take your time installing the 24 pin connecter and use your fingers to give it some support if you need. Does it flex under the weight of a CPU cooler? I've got a Noctua NH-D14 on there which is pretty heavy and the board stays rigid. Aside from that, the holes are all in normal ATX configuration. I really like this board, I especially like that it has a 12 phase voltage regulators, the clear cmos button on the back, and the numerical error display. What I don't like about it is that the board, upon close inspection, is brown. It would have been a better looking board were it black, but it is hard to tell that it's brown.

As for what you said about the noctua taking up space in your case. Yeh it's huge, it almost touches the window in my Antec 1100 and it's beige and like burgundy. Who the hell makes fans such an ugly colour?! Damnit noctua give us options!! It does perform very well though. After 30 mins of prime95, at stock clock, my 3570k's max temp was 36 degrees celcius but averaged 34.
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September 30, 2012 12:28:40 PM

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/iWrn

This is a little something something I came up with :p .

@Standard Refresh Rate 76 Hz you're getting some bottlenecking going on. If you have a couple extra hundred dollars to spare you can throw in a 120hz+ monitor instead. What this means is much more smooth gameplay with much higher frames.

The Razer deathadder is extremely overpriced, old, and razer is known for hit-or-miss products. I personally have the Kova+ and it looks ten times better, performs ten times better, and is cheaper. The G110 is a good keyboard for the price as well. Althought there are other keyboards out there that are better for gaming, specifically ones with Cherry MX Red/Black switches. The G110 uses Cherry MX Blue.
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September 30, 2012 12:39:30 PM

hellfire24 said:
that's a pretty good build,just get this keyboard and mouse-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Yes, the sidewinder x4 is an amazing keyboard. I would have bought one if they sold one at NCIX. I recommend getting one if you can.

Logitech mouses are big and heavy, keep that in mind.

JetD said:
Okay, Since i have the money I'll sick with the Asus P8Z77 V-PRO.

Bigshootr, I like the suggestions! thanks!
I'll get the Keyboard definitely.

I did some research on the Corsair 600T having bad airflow and popped up with some reviews of it. Since the Sniper still looks slick and is made by Cooler Master i will get it.

Since the case is mid tower, I was wondering which CPU Cooler would be the best?
I'll go anywhere in the budget but only if it's a reasonable price. I don't want the Noctua because it will take up much space in the case. Any suggestions would be helpful. :) 

Unless you're doing excessive overclocking the Noctua wont be needed. The Coolermaster Evo is a favorite among PC enthusiasts.

Avoid Razer like the black plague. "Silent keyboard" really? That is a joke. Who cares if it's silent. At the end of the day, a keyboard that's silent and looks fancy WONT help you win the game. Go for any keyboard that has Cherry MX Black/Red switches, as these specifically help gamers. Razer keyboards specifically the ones you linked use Cherry MX Blue which are meant for typing ie your job involves typing or you do a lot of coding.
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September 30, 2012 12:57:49 PM

People have preferences man. Some people just like the product that razer puts out which isn't bad. I use A razer anansi myself sue me. And whats wrong with a keyboard that you would use for a long period of time (a job keyboard).
And some people who may not be massive overclockers may enjoy the noctua because its a good cooler probably up there among air coolers again preference dude get off his chain.
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September 30, 2012 1:09:39 PM

bigshootr8 said:
People have preferences man. Some people just like the product that razer puts out which isn't bad. I use A razer anansi myself sue me. And whats wrong with a keyboard that you would use for a long period of time (a job keyboard).
And some people who may not be massive overclockers may enjoy the noctua because its a good cooler probably up there among air coolers again preference dude get off his chain.


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He specifically cited, and I quote
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I'm looking for A LOT OF FEEDBACK, please!


I'm not saying Razer is necessarily bad. What I'm saying is that they're gimmicky and they sugar coat their overpriced technology and try to convince unsuspecting consumers that their product is for "gaming" when it in fact lacks many standard features that other gaming things have, that are even cheaper.

I didn't say it's a durable keyboard, in fact I recall saying
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and razer is known for hit-or-miss products.
I said that Cherry MX Blue switches are designed for typing keyboards. It is a typing keyboard they are advertising as a gaming keyboard.

Honestly your argument regarding the CPU cooler is just ridiculous. That's like saying "People get a Full Tower case because they're big, it's their prefrence. Even though a standard Mid-Tower would be more than enough space."
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September 30, 2012 1:15:14 PM

MoBo / CPU - Save $30 with the MoBo / CPU combo

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

RAM - Get the low voltage performance Corsair Vengeance to help that CPU run a lil bit cooler by lowering the load on the memory controller.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Cooler - The Phanteks has it all over the Noc.....

1. Has 1/4 degree cooling advantage
2. Noise is comparable
3. Color choices on Noc are fugly
4. Phanteks has 5 year warranty, Noc has 1

http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/phanteks_ph_tc14pe...

The Hyper 212 is a way popular "budget" cooler suitable for moderate OC's..... but with IB's huge heat signature, if at all possible I'm using at least the Hyper 612 PWM or Scyther Mugen 3...... where the extra $30 is available, it's the Phanteks or Silver Arrow

$10 off w/ promo code Phantek0912, ends 9/30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HD - Barracuda XT is an excellent 2TB drive , fastest 7200 rpm drive available. The Barracuda (no XT) not so much and chinsy 1 year warranty. Spend the extra money for the XT or get a WD Black.

SSD - Of all the SSD's in THG's "Tier 1" category, the Mushkin Chronos Deluxe has the lowest cost per GB....just $170 for 240 GB and that gets you premium toshiba toggle mode extended long life flash.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GFX - Im with techpowerup, Guru3D and just about everybody else giving the best of the bunch title\ to the Asus

Asus 670 DCII TOP - 10.0 rating
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_670...

Gigabyte Windforce SC 670 - 9.8 rating
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gigabyte/GeForce_GTX...

MSI Twin Frozr IV PE 670 - 9.7 rating
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_670_Power_Ed...

Palit Jetsteram 670 - 97 rating
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Palit/GeForce_GTX_67...

Zotac AMP 670 - 9.6 rating
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_67...

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_geforce_gtx_6...

1280 MHZ boost clock !

Logitech G510 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Logitech G500 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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Would you Recommend a Asrock Extreme 4 over a Asus Board?


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September 30, 2012 1:16:14 PM

Then I guess those who get water cooling are of the same mindset that its ridiculousness right for them to want extremely low temps overclocking or not in mind. If he wants a cooler that would keep his CPU close to water cooling temps let him he won't find a better air cooler probably. And there is a big difference between comparing a cooler to a case size. And I've also heard they are hit or miss Razer but yet to have seen it.
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September 30, 2012 1:26:16 PM

bigshootr8 said:
Then I guess those who get water cooling are of the same mindset that its ridiculousness right for them to want extremely low temps overclocking or not in mind. If he wants a cooler that would keep his CPU close to water cooling temps let him he won't find a better air cooler probably. And there is a big difference between comparing a cooler to a case size. And I've also heard they are hit or miss Razer but yet to have seen it.


You're missing the point. Getting a good CPU cooler designed for very low temps due to constant overclocking and heat build up is no different than getting for example a 212 Evo if that person doesn't have extremely high temps from overclocking or whatever else. It's like getting an i7 even though you don't do any video editing or multitasking. It's a waste of money.
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September 30, 2012 1:45:59 PM

JetD said:
Okay, Since i have the money I'll sick with the Asus P8Z77 V-PRO.

Bigshootr, I like the suggestions! thanks!
I'll get the Keyboard definitely.

I did some research on the Corsair 600T having bad airflow and popped up with some reviews of it. Since the Sniper still looks slick and is made by Cooler Master i will get it.

Since the case is mid tower, I was wondering which CPU Cooler would be the best?
I'll go anywhere in the budget but only if it's a reasonable price. I don't want the Noctua because it will take up much space in the case. Any suggestions would be helpful. :) 


Your system specs are almost identica as mine, strangely enough. Namely the CU, motherboard and 600t case. In case you are having any doubs, the corsair is an extremely well built case and although the airflow is not as good as that cm case, there always the opition of water cooing, I went for the Hyper 212 evo because it has so many good reviews on both performance and price and fits fine, and dont forget the corsair case comes with a mesh side panel that can have up to 4 additional fans for greater airflow if needed. Tbh, unless you intend to overclock your RAM, processor and 2 graphic cards in SLI or Xfire to the extreme, the corsair case should be fine with any of the above. It also looks 100x better :) 

But be aware if you go for the corsair doyourself a favour and purchase a 4-pin internal motherboard speaker. My build boots fine but without the speaker ther is no way of knowinganything, now I have to wait before proceeding with the OS install.

Like you my budget was £2000 but I saved ALOT of money on Ebuyer.co.uk - not only are they among the cheapest but they have tons of stock for just about everything!

Just remember, give yourself at least 2 days to build, if like me it's your first attempt, expect it to take longer.

Good Luck :hello: 

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September 30, 2012 1:49:27 PM

Sorry just realised your from the states so I guess newegg is your best bet for parts
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September 30, 2012 1:58:41 PM

JetD said:
Okay, Since i have the money I'll sick with the Asus P8Z77 V-PRO.

Bigshootr, I like the suggestions! thanks!
I'll get the Keyboard definitely.

I did some research on the Corsair 600T having bad airflow and popped up with some reviews of it. Since the Sniper still looks slick and is made by Cooler Master i will get it.

Since the case is mid tower, I was wondering which CPU Cooler would be the best?
I'll go anywhere in the budget but only if it's a reasonable price. I don't want the Noctua because it will take up much space in the case. Any suggestions would be helpful. :) 



Ah, didn't notice the cooler comment I have a h100 in my case I have a sniper which is pretty good although maybe more on the expensive side for coolers. the evo people have mentioned seems to be a pretty common recommendation it seems.

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September 30, 2012 3:34:45 PM

fuzg13z said:
Sorry if I'm throwing a wrench in on the mobo discussion. I have an ASRock Extreme 4 with a 3570k in it. Yes the mobo is a little shorter than ATX standard and doesn't reach the final row of screws on the right. Is it a big deal? Not really, just take your time installing the 24 pin connecter and use your fingers to give it some support if you need. Does it flex under the weight of a CPU cooler? I've got a Noctua NH-D14 on there which is pretty heavy and the board stays rigid. Aside from that, the holes are all in normal ATX configuration. I really like this board, I especially like that it has a 12 phase voltage regulators, the clear cmos button on the back, and the numerical error display. What I don't like about it is that the board, upon close inspection, is brown. It would have been a better looking board were it black, but it is hard to tell that it's brown.

As for what you said about the noctua taking up space in your case. Yeh it's huge, it almost touches the window in my Antec 1100 and it's beige and like burgundy. Who the hell makes fans such an ugly colour?! Damnit noctua give us options!! It does perform very well though. After 30 mins of prime95, at stock clock, my 3570k's max temp was 36 degrees celcius but averaged 34.


+1. The ASUS is pretty nice, but the Ext4 has most of the features of the Pro, is cheaper, and it has gotten many good reviews from the tech sites.
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September 30, 2012 4:48:46 PM

Hey guys!

Thanks for all your wonderful replies.

@thetechnoobguy- Though you managed to place a GTX690 in the build, what about the Motherboard? I seriously can't find the Differences between an ATX and mATX Motherboards. Would an ATX be a better choice?
Also, I like your Mouse.

@bigshootr- Nice picture! Also, would a Cooler Master XM be a good replacement for the Sniper? It's got some rubber grommets for case management XD. Don't want my cables everywhere.

@Jack- Would you get the Asus Direct CUIIT if you were able to?
I was originally going to get it but people were having problems with it, Thus i got the MSI Power edition.

Anyone?
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September 30, 2012 7:36:36 PM

Anyone Got any ideas?

Also, If anyone has a G9x.
Is it worth it?
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September 30, 2012 8:13:07 PM

Any of the HAF cases by coolermaster would be a good choice they will provide really good airflow.

I know you had asked about micro atx. Most of the time you get limited with something like less ram dimms. Less PCI-E/PCI. A good example would be this. In this instance you get not as many expansion slots.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And I heard people were having issues with the DirectCU II as well something about the VRM having hot spots. They kind of reference it in the 660ti Review on Toms Hardware.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-ti-...

I have a Razer Naga for a mouse because at some point I played MMO's like WoW and it was incredibly useful however the 69x gets rave reviews on newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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September 30, 2012 10:04:54 PM

MSI Power Edition or Gigabyte Windfore 3 are the 2 top cards that I would recommend.
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October 1, 2012 3:07:19 AM

JetD said:
Hey guys!

Thanks for all your wonderful replies.

@thetechnoobguy- Though you managed to place a GTX690 in the build, what about the Motherboard? I seriously can't find the Differences between an ATX and mATX Motherboards. Would an ATX be a better choice?
Also, I like your Mouse.

Anyone?


Ah, the motherboard I threw in there is probably the cheapest Z77 chipset motherboard on the market. If you want slightly better quality you'd be spending $40+, and if you wanted to get a really nice motherboard, $100+ as most high quality Z77 mobos are around $200 or more. Micro ATX is the the old size they used I believe, so all the slots and everything are going to be more squished in together and inconvienantly placed where as a normal sized ATX will have more breathing room and be easier to put together. That's really the only difference. If you want to spend more for a tiny bit more features, possibly better overall build quality, little bit more space for easier building, then go for it otherwise it should do fine.

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Also, If anyone has a G9x.
Is it worth it?


When looking for a mouse, it's best to go for something that is similar in frame to what you're use to. For example when I got my Kova+ I had a hard time adjusting because I was using an old Lenovo U shaped frame. The frame on the Kova+ is sort of like {}. So you shouldn't care about reviews, go by what features appeal to you and what frame would best suite what you're used to. Unless you don't mind getting used to a new frame, at first I was mad that I wasn't used to my Kova+ right away but I'm slowly starting to master use of it. That's my advice.
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