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August 11, 2012 9:12:50 PM

I'm building my first machine. Already chose an i5 2500k and Gigabyte GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-D3H motherboard. Eventually, I'd like to put an expensive card, but for now I just want to play most modern games, especially indie titles. I have an XBox, so for now I can play a lot of AAA titles on that, though some of those titles I might want to start playing on the PC, especially for modding.

I'm looking at this card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

For my current purposes, would a 6670 do the trick for most gaming? Would it handle a game like Skyrim on medium or higher settings?

For $50, this seems like a really nice entry, but I'm not sure what else I should consider. Also, do I need to worry much about the card manufacturer? (Saphire, Asus, etc.) How much does the manufacturer affect the performance?

Thanks in advance.

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August 11, 2012 9:22:11 PM

I'm really not sure, im not much into de 6600 series, it seems like a decent card, but it just doesn't fit in the specs of your computer. You will regret buying the card, from my point of view , because sooner or later, you will need another upgrade. That cards don't last longer in a computer.. I suggest you buy an 7770, or 6850 or, if you have a little more to spend, hd 6870 or even the 7800 series, but that's already expensive.

But to answer your question yes you can play modern games, but not sure about higher settings, maybe low settings, some games low-medium.

What's on your budget at the moment?
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August 11, 2012 9:24:57 PM

For now, I didn't want to go much past $125 or so, and I'd only want to spend that if the performance was pretty significant over the 6670.
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August 11, 2012 9:25:57 PM

The 7750 and some 7770s can be had at or under $125 and the performance difference between the 7750 and the 6670 is huge. The 7770 is another leap over the 7750, but not quite as much of a leap over the 7750 as the 7750 is over the 6670.
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August 11, 2012 9:28:27 PM

Yeah go for the 7770, btw, what resolution are you planning to play?
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August 11, 2012 9:32:24 PM

The manufacturer can matter much, but it is mostly important for the coolers and overclocking performance. Asus, MSI, Gigabyte, HIS, and Sapphire are good brands with Sapphire, Asus, and especially HIS generally being the best.
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August 11, 2012 9:33:47 PM

The HD 7770 Fit's right on your budget and you will be able to play at High settings some games at ultra, if you are planning 1080p

I play at 1360x768 and i can max out every single game with me Gigabyte HD 7770 at 1050MHZ.

CPU i3 550 and 4gb ram
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August 11, 2012 9:34:15 PM

Yeah, Msi is a good brand too. Your call =)
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August 11, 2012 9:35:35 PM

I'm not sure what resolution I'd be playing at yet. What should I consider about that in purchasing the card?
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August 11, 2012 9:36:59 PM

IF you're planning to max out , dont go at a full HD resolution , try something nice and smooth, but not to big.

Like 1440x900. I think it's a good resolution. And you will get alot of benefit from your processor, though.
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August 11, 2012 9:39:42 PM

Two other related questions:

1. If I wanted to try this on my 32 inch flat screen TV, would it work?
2. I'm thinking about a 600W powersupply for $50 by Corsair, but they've got another one for $25 that's 430W. Is it better to play the extra $25 for the 600W?
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August 11, 2012 9:43:14 PM

Get the 430w unless you intend to do Crossfire. The 7770 should work with your 32" TV.
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August 11, 2012 9:44:28 PM

Ok. My opinion defers. I think you should go for the 600wat power supply. And your TV, well, you will need to lower your graphic settings to low-mediium maybe or medium-high. But , yeah you will be able to play at decent framerate if you lower your settings. :bounce: 
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August 11, 2012 9:45:09 PM

Would the 7770 work with Crossfire? I don't plan on doing it, but all I would have to do is upgrade the power supply, right?
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August 11, 2012 9:47:09 PM

Rafastang said:
Ok. My opinion defers. I think you should go for the 600wat power supply. And your TV, well, you will need to lower your graphic settings to low-mediium maybe or medium-high. But , yeah you will be able to play at decent framerate if you lower your settings. :bounce: 


Even the 430w is almost overkill for this system. Going too high would mean that the PSU is always at very low utilization and this increases wear almost as badly as over-utilization does.
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August 11, 2012 9:48:06 PM

dnbman said:
Would the 7770 work with Crossfire? I don't plan on doing it, but all I would have to do is upgrade the power supply, right?


If you don't do Crossfire until several years later, then replacing the PSU would be a good idea. Yes, the 7770 is capable of Crossfire.
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August 11, 2012 9:48:31 PM

Yeah, you got your point, but 430 it's not overkill. You need a minimum of 450Watt power supply, so just go a 500watt por supply . I got my 550watt power supply for 40euros.. and it's 98% efficiency
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August 11, 2012 9:48:54 PM

EDIT:

hd 7770 needs a 450watt power supply minimum
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August 11, 2012 9:49:47 PM

What would be an ideal wattage for this machine? Do the harddrives matter?
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August 11, 2012 9:50:21 PM

A 500watt should be good for that system.
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August 11, 2012 9:50:51 PM

Actually, no, it doesn't need a 450w PSU minimum. That's a recommendation that includes very high-wattage CPUs and poor quality PSUs that can't hit their rated maximum. The high-quality 430w PSUs are far more than enough.
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August 11, 2012 9:50:55 PM

Hm, he could get that psu for the same price of the 430watt =) SO i guess , good enough xD?
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August 11, 2012 9:52:12 PM

No, the RaidMax is a poor quality brand. If you really want to argue in favor of a higher wattage PSU, then a Corsair, Antec, or Seasonic brand model would still be ideal.
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August 11, 2012 9:56:01 PM

dnbman said:
CPU is 95 Watts. Anything else other than CPU and GPU matter?


Everything matters, but nothing matters more than the CPU and the graphics. The motherboard, memory, and pretty much anything with a power cable use power and should be accounted for. A motherboard and memory generally don't use more than 20-40w altogether and the hard drives tend to only use noteworthy amounts of power when they spin up or when you have many of them.
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August 11, 2012 9:56:54 PM

I'm Not much into power supplys xD so this time, you handle blazor :kaola: 
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August 11, 2012 10:05:09 PM

blazorthon said:
A motherboard and memory generally don't use more than 20-40w altogether and the hard drives tend to only use noteworthy amounts of power when they spin up or when you have many of them.


I'm planning on using one SSD (OS and most programs) and three small HDs (game data, media, etc.) I should be o.k.?

I'm looking at the MSI page and can't find the GPU wattage.
http://www.msi.com/product/vga/R7770-PMD1GD5.html#?div=...

While looking, I noticed it said Crossfire "N/A." Again, I don't really care about Crossfire now, but does that mean it doesn't work?
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August 11, 2012 10:10:54 PM

All Radeon 7770 cards support Crossfire, the 7770's wattage should not go higher than 76w (it shouldn't reach even that high during gaming, only stress testing and such workloads), SSDs tend to use between very little to almsot zero power, and the hard drives should be fine, but you might want to check their labels to see their maximum 12v amperage.
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August 11, 2012 10:16:12 PM

Cool. So, with the i5 processor and board, 8GB ram, the harddrives, 7770 GPU, and a 430W power supply, I should be in good shape for modern gaming and be able to reasonably build on that for the next couple of years of games?

This is going to put my whole setup at a little over $600 after rebates and including some free bits, like case, keyboard, etc.. I'm pretty stoked.
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August 11, 2012 10:23:57 PM

Yes, lock 'n' loaded! Good luck and have fun gaming! =D
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August 11, 2012 10:24:49 PM

Assuming that the i5 doesn't go past 100w and that the 7770 doesn't go past 80w, they could max out together at about 170-180w. Even during gaming, they should not reach their TDPs, so they should actually use no more than 150-160w when you're gaming. Assuming the worst for the motherboard and memory, we could add another 50w to that to get 230w and then we can account for all storage next. Hard drives can use quite different amounts of power with different models, so I won't guess at how much your use, but they probably don't use more than 15w or so each at the most.

We can put another 50w in just to be safe, bringing this maximum theoretical wattage up to about 280w. Next, we want to be sure that we have a lot of headroom because we don't want the PSU to even reach 80% utilization in order to reduce wear on the PSU. So, let's put in another 33% additional headroom or about 100w. That brings it up to 380w. So, a 430w PSU should be enough to account for any small variances in the power requirements while providing a cushion for the wear over time. This also leaves room for upgrading the graphics with an additional 7750 or a 7770 sometime in the next two to four years as desired without needing to replace the power supply for at least another one to three years after that.

So, you should be set if you go this route. Your system is quite future-proofed except maybe for the graphics, but the graphics could be the most easily and perhaps the most cheaply upgraded performance-relevant part in this case. If the 7770 starts to show weakness, then instead of buying a 7750 or 7770 for Crossfire, you could first give overclocking a go because the 7770 has huge overclocking headroom and the power supply has enough wattage headroom for it. So, yes, this should be good.
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August 11, 2012 10:30:06 PM

Gentle(wo?)men, much appreciated. Any other final tips or links that might be helpful?
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August 11, 2012 10:40:16 PM

Nothing comes to mind other than obvious things such as making sure that you ground yourself before touching the components and installing the most recent drivers for all hardware unless there is a problem that would affect you with a recent driver that an older version lacks.
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