Sign in with
Sign up | Sign in
Your question

Newbuild noboot/post

Tags:
Last response: in CPUs
Share
February 16, 2013 9:50:24 PM

Hello,
[Yes, I've tried a lot of what's recommended here]

Fundamentally, I've got an AMD A8-3870 quad core, an ASUS F1A55-M LX Plus Mobo and
Corsair CX430 watt PSU.

the PSU seems to check out on pin-out (although I only could find 3 (!?!) volt meters, and the only one with 2 cables was Analog(!?!)

When powered up, the fans and the LEDs come on. but no beeps at all. With or without memory (Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB).

We're breadboarding, no likely Mobo shorts.

What am I missing?

My 7-year old was sceptical I could do it, but now he is annoyed at my ineptitude. Is this really hard?

More about : newbuild noboot post

a b à CPUs
February 16, 2013 9:59:46 PM

i dont think it will beep if you havent connected the little speaker

and no its not really hard

until it doesnt work ;) 

did you connect the 4 pin for the cpu?

and have you connected a monitor?

as you dont say whether you are getting a display or not
m
0
l
a c 172 à CPUs
February 17, 2013 7:18:35 AM

OK. We need to be systematic about this.

First:
(Review this, you may have made a simple mistake.)
Build it yourself:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/274745-13-step-step...

Second and third:
And although this primarily a troubleshooting thread, the first part contains a checklist that will catch most noob mistakes:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261145-31-read-postin...

And fourth (detailed t/s instructions):
The following is an expansion of my troubleshooting tips in the breadboarding link in the "Cannot boot" thread.

I have tested the following beep patterns on Gigabyte, eVGA, and ECS motherboards. Other BIOS' may be different, but they all use a single short beep for a successful POST.

Breadboard - that will help isolate any kind of case problem you might have.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/262730-31-breadboardi...

Breadboard with just motherboard, CPU & HSF, case speaker, and PSU.

Make sure you plug the CPU power cable in. The system will not boot without it.

I always breadboard a new build. It takes only a few minutes, and you know you are putting good parts in the case once you are finished.

You can turn on the PC by momentarily shorting the two pins that the case power switch goes to. You should hear a series of long, single beeps indicating memory problems. Silence indicates a problem with (in most likely order) the PSU, motherboard, or CPU. Remember, at this time, you do not have a graphics card installed so the load on your PSU will be reduced.

If no beeps:
Running fans and drives and motherboard LED's do not necessarily indicate a good PSU. In the absence of a single short beep, they also do not indicate that the system is booting.

At this point, you can sort of check the PSU. Try to borrow a known good PSU of around 550 - 600 watts. That will power just about any system with a single GPU. If you cannot do that, use a DMM to measure the voltages. Measure between the colored wires and either chassis ground or the black wires. Yellow wires should be 12 volts. Red wires: +5 volts, orange wires: +3.3 volts, blue wire : -12 volts, violet wire: 5 volts always on. Tolerances are +/- 5% except for the -12 volts which is +/- 10%.

The gray wire is really important. It should go from 0 to +5 volts when you turn the PSU on with the case switch. CPU needs this signal to boot.

You can turn on the PSU by completely disconnecting the PSU and using a paperclip or jumper wire to short the green wire to one of the neighboring black wires.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FWXgQSokF4&feature=yout...

A way that might be easier is to use the main power plug. Working from the back of the plug where the wires come out, use a bare paperclip to short between the green wire and one of the neighboring black wires. That will do the same thing with an installed PSU. It is also an easy way to bypass a questionable case power switch.

This checks the PSU under no load conditions, so it is not completely reliable. But if it can not pass this, it is dead. Then repeat the checks with the PSU plugged into the computer to put a load on the PSU.

If the system beeps:
If it looks like the PSU is good, install a memory stick. Boot. Beep pattern should change to one long and several short beeps indicating a missing graphics card.

Silence, long single beeps, or series of short beeps indicate a problem with the memory. If you get short beeps verify that the memory is in the appropriate motherboard slots.

Insert the video card and connect any necessary PCIe power connectors. Boot. At this point, the system should POST successfully (a single short beep). Notice that you do not need keyboard, mouse, monitor, or drives to successfully POST.
At this point, if the system doesn't work, it's either the video card or an inadequate PSU. Or rarely - the motherboard's PCIe interface.

Now start connecting the rest of the devices starting with the monitor, then keyboard and mouse, then the rest of the devices, testing after each step. It's possible that you can pass the POST with a defective video card. The POST routines can only check the video interface. It cannot check the internal parts of the video card.
m
0
l
Related resources
February 17, 2013 3:07:07 PM

OK, I think I have done all those things.

Have internal speaker hooked up - no beeps.
Monitor shows no signal.
Have tried booting with no RAM, half RAM, Whole RAM
Have checked voltage on PSU pins
Have no video card

I have two thoughts (before I borrow computer and test with its PSU)

1. The case fan has no obvious way to plug into the motherboard CHA_FAN. Manual unclear whether this is important

2. When powered, (fans and LEDs going, but nothing else), doesn't turn off from front panel. Must turn off PSU.
m
0
l
a b à CPUs
February 17, 2013 3:22:27 PM

1. doesnt normally matter--should only need to have the cpu fan connected to the proper header

2. might have the power connector the wrong way round
m
0
l
February 17, 2013 4:18:28 PM

OK. Now I've Tested with a known good PSU. Same symptoms.

No video, no beeps.

So.....MoBo or motherboard.

Now what?
m
0
l
!