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Should I get a 7970 or a GTX 680?

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August 14, 2012 5:15:00 AM

As the title thread states, I'm in the market of buying a new graphics card, but am undecided on which one to get. I am running a core i7 960 right now, so I dont think i need to buy a new cpu yet. I've done a ton of researching over the 7970 and the 680, but the problem i have ran into, is if i got a 680, i want the 4Gb edition. and with the 7970, it already has 3Gb of VRAM. I guess my questions are, A) is the 680 actually worth it over 7970? or would the 7970 be just as good? and B) would i actually need to upgrade my cpu when i upped my graphics card?

Sorry, one more question. Which card runs quieter?

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a b U Graphics card
August 14, 2012 5:46:53 AM

A) They are about the same. There are huge discussions everywhere. Some say Nvidia is better while others say that the radeon one is better.I would just say, if you use only 1 monitor on 1920x1080 and the price of 7970 is lower than a gtx 680 then get a 7970. If you use multiple monitors go for 7970 and if you only use a single monitor and the price of a gtx 680 is cheaper than a 7970, go for a gtx 680.

B) No. Your CPU is fine.

I am not sure wich card runs quieter since there are lot of kinds of 7970 and 680. For example asus, gigabyte etc..

- Fastreaction
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August 14, 2012 5:53:03 AM

The i7 should be fine.

While the some versions of the gtx 680 have 4gb, you probably won't be able to make use of it unless your running a multi monitor setup and gaming on 2 or 3 screens at 1080p. The problem with the gtx 680 at that resolution is that its 256 bit architecture holds it back compared to the 7970's 356 bit architecture. Even though the 7970 has a gig less- it'll actually perform better at those super high resolutions if you run two or three of them as opposed to sli'd 680s.

However, if you're only using 1 screen at 1080 or 1440 resolution- both are really about the same. If you are gaming on one screen, be sure to take a look at the gtx 670 reviews- while it only has 2 gb of ram- it performs on par with both the 680 and 7970.

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August 14, 2012 5:55:55 AM

fastreaction said:
A) They are about the same. There are huge discussions everywhere. Some say Nvidia is better while others say that the radeon one is better.I would just say, if you use only 1 monitor on 1920x1080 and the price of 7970 is lower than a gtx 680 then get a 7970. If you use multiple monitors go for 7970 and if you only use a single monitor and the price of a gtx 680 is cheaper than a 7970, go for a gtx 680.

B) No. Your CPU is fine.

I am not sure wich card runs quieter since there are lot of kinds of 7970 and 680. For example asus, gigabyte etc..

- Fastreaction


Make that a fail on my question, Which card runs *COOLER*
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a b U Graphics card
August 14, 2012 6:00:04 AM

Not sure about that but as far as I know the GTX 680 consumes less power than a 7970 which makes the card run *cooler*. Of course there is a difference when you compare cards with different kinds of brands.

- Fastreaction
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August 14, 2012 6:05:09 AM

fastreaction said:
Not sure about that but as far as I know the GTX 680 consumes less power than a 7970 which makes the card run *cooler*. Of course there is a difference when you compare cards with different kinds of brands.

- Fastreaction



Wouldn't the 7970 run cooler theoretically? having the 28nm processor?
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August 14, 2012 6:14:02 AM

Not necessarilly, as seen with the sandy bridge vs ivy bridge CPU dilemma...ivy bridge actually runs hotter on it's 22nm architecture vs the sandy bridge's 32nm architecture.

How many monitors are you using for gaming and at what resolution?
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a c 185 U Graphics card
August 14, 2012 6:28:02 AM

The GTX 680 will perform better in game-types (BF3, GTA IV, open world games like Skyrim and Fallout 3). It also uses less power , considerably quieter, and allows gaming with PhysX and Adaptive VSync.
http://hardocp.com/article/2012/04/16/nvidia_adaptive_v...
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_GHz_Edit...
Again it depends games such as Dirt 2 and Alien Vs Predator the 7970ghz would preform better in if you want to do anything else like use OpenCL applications, transcoding, WPA/WEP Cracking, RAR Cracking, Bitcoin Mining etc than it really is no contest.The 7970 will crush the competition by a long shot.
it's understandable that you would be confused. There are a few issues: 1) People make claims without backing it up with proof, 2) Some people are fans of AMD/ATI some are fans of nvidia and sometimes they favor one company over the other so much it makes them blind to the truth so they are in denial and make blanket statements, when the reality is that certain games favor certain hardware, 3) People make a few FPS advantage seem like a win when it usually falls within the margin of error and makes no difference in terms of performance.


Your best bet is to always do your own research using the many reliable professional review websites and don't always believe everything reported by random anonymous posters on a public forum as facts.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/07/30/msi_geforce_g...

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Gameplay Summary

The highest stable overclock with voltage on the MSI GeForce GTX 680 Lightning using the default BIOS had a significant performance increase compared the overclock without voltage tweaking. In Max Payne 3 it was 8.9% faster than the overclocked MSI GeForce GTX 680 Lightning without voltage tweaking and 14.1% faster than the stock video card. BF3 Singleplayer the highest overclock was 16.1% faster than its stock settings. In BF3 Multiplayer it averaged 74 FPS and was 9.8% faster than the overclock without voltage tweaking, and 15.3% faster than the stock video card. In Batman it was 7.7% faster than the overclock without voltage tweaking and 14.5% faster than the stock video card. In The Witcher 2 it was 8.9% faster than the OC without voltage tweak and 14.3% faster than the stock MSI GeForce GTX 680 Lightning.

Basically, the performance increase between the overclock with and without voltage tweaking was higher than the performance increase the stock MSI GeForce GTX 680 Lightning experienced from the overclock without voltage tweaking. In other words, voltage tweaking provided over double the performance increase compared to the overclock without voltage tweaking.

With fans at 100% the GPU temperature on the default BIOS increased to 62c using voltage tweaking.

The LN2 BIOS had an even higher overclock which pushed the GPU extremely close to 1400MHz, and put the memory over 7GHz GDDR5. In MP3 it was 8.1% faster than the Overclocked AMD Radeon HD 7970 and 18.1% faster than its stock settings. In BF3 SP it was 4.3% faster than the Overclocked AMD Radeon HD 7970 and 17.9% faster than the stock MSI GeForce GTX 680 Lightning. In Batman the overclocked MSI GeForce GTX 680 Lightning was 16.2% faster than its stock settings, and 19.3% faster than the Overclocked AMD Radeon HD 7970. In The Witcher 2 it was 2.4% faster than the Overclocked AMD Radeon HD 7970 and 14.3% faster than the stock settings. The overclock on the LN2 BIOS increased the performance above the Overclocked AMD Radeon HD 7970 in every game.

With the fans at 100% the GPU temperature on the LN2 BIOS increased to 73c using voltage tweaking and 300% Power Limit.



http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
you should look at this as well i found it quite interesting to say the least http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
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August 14, 2012 6:28:09 AM

DeusAres said:
Not necessarilly, as seen with the sandy bridge vs ivy bridge CPU dilemma...ivy bridge actually runs hotter on it's 22nm architecture vs the sandy bridge's 32nm architecture.

How many monitors are you using for gaming and at what resolution?


well im currently using a 22" monitor at 1680x1050, but i'm planning on getting like a 27" monitor and running my 22" on the side. I would get a bigger monitor with 2560 x 1440 res, but that's at least like 500$
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August 14, 2012 6:38:55 AM

Ok, so you're just gonna be gaming on a single 1920x1080 monitor in the near future? Then you'll be using the other smaller monitor for general/menial tasks such as web surfing and what not?

Get the gtx 680. I'd even recommend you save $100 and get the EVGA GTX 670 FTW or the Asus gtx 670 direct cu II. You can get that thing at around the same speeds of a gtx 680 without much effort.
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a c 185 U Graphics card
August 14, 2012 6:42:32 AM

TechPowerUp and every other review site that said it.

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_GHz_Edition/image...
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"The jump in power consumption also directly affects temperature and noise. While temperatures are just ok with 83°C under load, noise is completely unacceptable. The card runs at 51 dBA - one of the noisiest cards ever tested, noisier than NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 480."

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_GHz_Edit...
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"As a result the 7970Ghz isn’t only loud but it’s in a category of its own, exceeding the GTX 680 by nearly 10dBA!"
"The 7970GE is without question the loudest single-GPU video card we have seen in quite some time, and that’s nothing for AMD to be proud of."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6025/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-e...

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"The end result is that while AMD has tied NVIDIA for the single-GPU performance crown with the Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition, the GeForce GTX 680 is still the more desirable gaming card. There are a million exceptions to this statement of course (and it goes both ways), but as we said before, these cards may be tied but they're anything but equal."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6025/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-e...
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August 14, 2012 7:04:28 AM

well my GTX 470 gets up to 85 Degrees Celcius in GTA IV, MP3, and other intensive games with the fan speed set to AT LEAST 80% which is roughly 4200 RPM's. I was hoping to get a card that would be cooler, and a little quieter as well
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a c 185 U Graphics card
August 14, 2012 7:09:05 AM

Wow a GTX 470 i have not seen or heard of one of those in a long time there still pretty beast though if you ask me
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August 14, 2012 7:13:59 AM

bigcyco1 said:
Wow a GTX 470 i have not seen or heard of one of those in a long time there still pretty beast though if you ask me


yea i bought it when it first came out. lol, didnt even do any research. now im paranoid about the ***. this thing runs hot though, and the loud fan drives me insane
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August 14, 2012 7:35:31 AM

metalent said:
yea i bought it when it first came out. lol, didnt even do any research. now im paranoid about the ***. this thing runs hot though, and the loud fan drives me insane
Yeah my son has 480 and it's loud and a powerhog but still a beast it's kicks one of my 570 ass even when overclocked and mops the floor with a 7850 :lol: 
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August 14, 2012 8:30:11 AM

so which one runs cooler and quieter? the 680 or the 7970?
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August 16, 2012 10:07:17 PM

regina_49 said:
the 680



argh... I was pretty much almost set with the 7970, *Assuming* it was quieter and ran cooloer. My issue is with the gtx 680 is that i almost want the 4Gb addition. But obviously is overkill. I just don't want to run out of VRAM even with 2Gb. I know MP3 and other new games require about 2Gb's just to max out the game. So that is why I kind of want the 4Gb..
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August 16, 2012 10:17:43 PM

The 7970 is great as well however it will not run quieter and it uses more power than a 680.Both are great cards so i say go with whatever you want can't go wrong either way.
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August 17, 2012 12:13:12 AM

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well my GTX 470 gets up to 85 Degrees Celcius in GTA IV, MP3, and other intensive games with the fan speed set to AT LEAST 80% which is roughly 4200 RPM's. I was hoping to get a card that would be cooler, and a little quieter as well


I'm also curious as to how high the RPM's go on the 7970. because of this ^ ^ Does ANY card stay below 80 celcius, without having the fan ridiculously high?
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August 17, 2012 3:36:39 AM

yea i saw that list, but i guess when i looked at it, i wanted a little more in depth. but it makes sense though without the RPM numbers. so the 7970 is equally, if not louder than my 470. DEFINITELY NOTED. definitely not getting the 7970 now lol.
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August 17, 2012 3:46:56 AM

metalent said:
well my GTX 470 gets up to 85 Degrees Celcius in GTA IV, MP3, and other intensive games with the fan speed set to AT LEAST 80% which is roughly 4200 RPM's. I was hoping to get a card that would be cooler, and a little quieter as well


I went from 470's to 680's and have found them a LOT quieter and cooler as well. Both were reference designs.
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August 17, 2012 7:12:34 AM

gtx 685 is going to come out in autumn possibly in september october having possibly up to 25% more gpu power than current gtx and standard with 4gb vram. so 2 of these will be best gpu firepower outthere. i believe 7990 wont come anywhere near this power as 690 would be 35-50% less powerfull then sli 685 and with 4gb vram its no brainer. now question is whether you can wait.

and also bottleneck by cpu will become then issue. thats why i am waiting till march/april for hasswell

revro

edit: i myself never had nvidia, so i believe i will make the switch if not then because of easy connection of 2d surround with DVI-D DL cables without having to waste money/time on problems with DisplayPort
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a c 185 U Graphics card
August 20, 2012 8:13:55 AM

drum roll... other than a 690 a 680 is the best :na: 
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August 30, 2012 1:37:29 AM

My apologies for taking so long to reply. Now that the possibility of the GTX 685 coming out this year, I am most likely going to do a fresh build. If all else fails, I will probably get the GTX 680 4 Gb version.
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a c 185 U Graphics card
August 30, 2012 1:41:40 AM

No problem!Sounds good i am actually in the same boat now i am burnt out on my gtx 570's they are old lol the 680 it's allot of money and i have a wife three dogs two kids so i spend that kind of money i half to be dam sure i make the right choice or the wife will cut you know what off :ouch:  :lol:  think i will settle for the Asus 670 TOP anyway best of luck!
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a b U Graphics card
August 30, 2012 2:28:17 AM

Go for the 7970Ghz reference is loud go for a Sapphire Vapor X, kind of suprised with the comments in here regardless the 7970 is faster in most games and when overclocked will beat out the 680 regardless of clock speeds. The 7970 has a 384 bit bus and 3GB Vram which maybe be useful depending.







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a c 185 U Graphics card
August 30, 2012 2:57:58 AM

Different benchmarks will show different results that why i hate them these days i have finally realized they prove nothing i would wait for the GTX 685 and the 7990 before i decided up to you can't go wrong either way as long as you enjoy in the end that's all that matters.
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August 30, 2012 3:30:37 AM

bigcyco1 said:
Different benchmarks will show different results that why i hate them these days i have finally realized they prove nothing i would wait for the GTX 685 and the 7990 before i decided up to you can't go wrong either way as long as you enjoy in the end that's all that matters.


just from that response, i almost want to put it as the best answer lmao. On topic though, I don't really have much expenses, and I really want to do a full build of top of the line stuff. So it will future proof me some way. and since the 685 is possibly getting closer and closer to release, it has been more logical to wait and do a fresh build.
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August 30, 2012 3:52:17 AM

metalent said:
just from that response, i almost want to put it as the best answer lmao. On topic though, I don't really have much expenses, and I really want to do a full build of top of the line stuff. So it will future proof me some way. and since the 685 is possibly getting closer and closer to release, it has been more logical to wait and do a fresh build.
:lol:  thanks you do as you want i am not here for best answers rewards but i will take them if given lol!And,hey sounds like a good plan to me good luck! :hello: 
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August 30, 2012 4:05:15 AM

Best answer selected by metalent.
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August 30, 2012 4:06:21 AM

Thanks for all the help! I'm sure I might be back to post about something else whenever I'm literally ready to buy, haha.
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a c 185 U Graphics card
August 30, 2012 4:12:31 AM

Your welcome!Feel free to message me anytime look forward to what you get so you can tell me if it's worth buying lol.
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a c 185 U Graphics card
August 31, 2012 4:29:26 AM

BigMack70 said:
Noise is only a problem if you get a reference card... there are no reference GHz editions on sale and you'd be silly to buy one normally since custom cooled models are like $10 more. People who link those lame 7970GE reviews complaining about noise are misleading at best, because most 7970GE reviews (including TPU's) are of reference cards WHICH YOU CAN'T BUY.

Both are great cards... the 7970 has more potential performance from overclocking and will perform better at high resolution (>1080p) and in games that favor AMD's architecture. The 7970 is also cheaper. The 680 draws less power and offers better performance at 1080p or below than a reference 7970, and it gives you better performance in games that favor Nvidia's architecture as well as access to GPU accelerated PhysX in the couple games that use it. However, it costs a decent amount more - it's a worse value in terms of perf/$ - and isn't as overclocker-friendly.

Really, it's your choice. Just don't waste your money on a 4GB GTX 680 unless you're planning on going SLI at triple screen resolution - that's the only time you need the extra vram, as per the conclusions here:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Point_Of_View/GeForc...
It had nothing to do with me being misleading he wanted to know which card was less noisy this was a extreme concern of his i have never owned either card so i did the next best thing i could think of check many different professional legit reliable sites read up on the noise on both cards that's what i found since like i mentioned he gave me the impression that was something he was overly concerned about so i checked for any and every thing i could as far as noise factors go between both cards.
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