Please, help needed.

[Guest]

Hello everyone! I'm going to build a new system which I'm gonna use 85% for gaming. Just can't decide the ram. Please also tell me if I can get something better.
Asus Sabertooth z77
Intel 3rd Generation LGA1155 Processor i5 3570
Also can't decide graphics between Asus GTX670-DC2-2GD5 and GTX670-DC2T-2GD5 (I've heard that TOP edition is having some issues but I want to confirm)...Or should I get the 660ti dc2o? I'll play Battlefield 3, Assassin's creed 3 when it comes, and other latest games...
Ram: http://www.corsair.com/dominator-gt-with-dhx-pro-connector-1-65v-32gb-dual-channel-ddr3-memory-kit-cmgtx8.html vs http://www.corsair.com/vengeance-32gb-quad-channel-ddr3-memory-kit-cmz32gx3m4x1600c10.html
Seasonic X-560 power supply.

 

[zared619]

Get the vengeance for the RAM. You want low profile RAM so heat fins don't interfere with an aftermarket cooler, which is a good idea, even if you aren't overclocking.

I would go with the MSI 670. It has an equally good aftermarket cooler, and it might be a hair better.

 

[Guest]

But some say gamers won't get more profit by buying more than 8gb. And I also like the DirectCopper 2 cooling technology than the blower style. Asus also factory overclocks more. Though I'll not overclock anything.

 

[manofchalk]

Get 8GB of Corsair Vengeance RAM.

Also given recent issues with MSI/Nvidia cards, I would avoid them for the time being. Go for the cheapest Gigabyte or ASUS card that has non-reference cooling.

 

[Guest]

8gb Vengeance is not supported in the z77, sir. http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/SABERTOOTH_Z77/#MSL

 

[manofchalk]

Yes, it does.
Why would ASUS build a board that can only accept ridiculous quantities of RAM? The supported memory list is just the kits that they have tested themselves to work, it isn't an exhaustive list by any stretch.
Any DDR3 RAM will work in any DDR3 board. Only restrictions on RAM compatibility other than that is whether its ECC or not, and that only apply's on higher end server hardware.

 

[zared619]

Get 8GB of Corsair Vengeance RAM.

Also given recent issues with MSI/Nvidia cards, I would avoid them for the time being. Go for the cheapest Gigabyte or ASUS card that has non-reference cooling.

Which issues are you talking about? I would like to know so I don't mis-inform anyone.

BTW
Vengeance will work because it using the same voltage on the same timing. Pleases actually investigate thoroughly.

 

[manofchalk]

MSI was recently found in their 660Ti and 670 Power Edition cards to have bypassed Nvidia voltage limiter, effectively allowing the user to alter the voltage sent to the GPU.
Problem was they did it quite sloppily, and way too much voltage is sent.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/MSI-GTX-660-670-overvolting-PowerEdition,18013.html

Timings are an aspect of performance, not compatibility.
Voltage does have a bit to do with compatability, Intel systems shouldn't run above 1.5v. But that in itself wont stop the RAM from working.
It really does just come down to whether its DDR3 or not.

 

[zared619]

Thanks for the link.

 

[chugot9218]

It is safest to use a tested set of RAM off the boards QVL, but that does not mean other types of RAM won't work. I just recommend choosing off of there because it is generally a large variety of manufacturers that it doesn't make sense to not choose one that's been tested to work. If it shows your RAM, just at a larger quantity, it is quite likely that the smaller amount will work as well.

 

[Guest]

It says qualified vendors list. That means no other ram has been qualified for that board? Or asus has not tested all? I know asus is a bit lazy in support and ram checking though its my favourite choice due to its technologies.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/359120-33-asus-direct-issues
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1696624
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166959
These are the three sites from where I got aware about the TOP editions. What do you think t.h experts?

 

[chugot9218]

It means that the QVL is a list of RAM specifically tested to operate correctly on the board, they are not going to test every RAM in existence for each board.

 

[Guest]

You're sure chugot Sir, that it will support 8gb vengeance?

 

[chugot9218]

I cannot be absolutely sure, but there is a high likelihood it will. I would say you have the same chances of it not working as the chances of receiving a bad set of RAM (that is specifically listed on the QVL).

 

[Guest]

You're scaring me, let's talk about the gpu first till the other experts arrive.

 

[JackNaylorPE]

I have used these on the Sabertooth numerous times:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233199

And never had issues with any Vengeance in any Asus board whether or not it was on QVL.

As for the 670's, just go by the numbers:

Asus 670 TOP - 10.0 rating
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_670_Direct_Cu_II/33.html

Gigabyte Windforce SC 670 - 9.8 rating
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gigabyte/GeForce_GTX_670_Windforce/33.html

MSI Twin Frozr IV 670 - 9.7 rating
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_670_Power_Edition/33.html

Palit Jetsteram 670 - 97 rating
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Palit/GeForce_GTX_670_Jet_Stream/33.html

Zotac AMP 670 - 9.6 rating
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_670_Amp_Edition/33.html

So far the Asus' 1280 boost clock is the highest stable OC I have seen.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-geforce-gtx-670-directcu-ii-top-review/23

 

[Guest]

Now another question - Jacknaylor sir was the ram stable? And does that mean the 670 top will not have issues?

 

[Guest]

Anyone here? Did I tell something wrong?

 

[chugot9218]

No, but all your questions have been answered multiple times... all RAM should be stable we cannot guarantee it is a good set though. And the Asus 670 is a good product, he linked reviews, I don't know what else you want to know.

 

[Guest]

Best answer selected by Neil12.

 

[JackNaylorPE]

Now another question - Jacknaylor sir was the ram stable? And does that mean the 670 top will not have issues?

The TOP series seems to have stopped production as it's become very hard to find. Word is that Asus handpicked the GPU's in early production runs to make sure that those willing to spend the extra $10 (and the reviewers I assume) got the best ones. As the production lines mature and yields improve, I'm guessing this process is no longer required.

Again, I have never had a Vengeance (or Mushkin Redline / Blackline) set of RAM not be stable in any Asus board ...... have had one bad stick outta like 200 purchased replaced w/o question under warranty. I have had issues w/ GSkill though.

 

[Guest]

I don't like the white colour. Will this be compatible? http://www.corsair.com/vengeance-8gb-dual-channel-ddr3-memory-kit-cmz8gx3m2a1600c8.html

 

[manofchalk]

Any DDR3 RAM that's at or under 1.5v will be fine.
Would get a lower profile kit though, the tall heat-fins can interfere on large CPU heatsinks. Look for G.Skill Ares or Corsair Vengeance Low Profile kits.

 

[Guest]

What is low profile? I'm just thinking that how stupid hospital-like it is going to look for a white low profile ram in a stylish tuf black motherboard. is 3570 heatsink large?

 

[zared619]

Low profile RAM is RAM that doesn't have huge heatfins like the Ripjaw series. These are examples.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231556
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233186

I'm fairly certain that it would be impossible to find white ram. Red and orange look pretty cool against black.

The 3570 does not have a huge heatsink, but it is recommended to get an aftermarket cooler because they are so much better than the stock ones.