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October 6, 2012 8:22:10 PM

I wanting to build a ocputer for my friend and i was wondering if you could please help me build a computer that can run all the modern games, i dont think it really matters at low med or high

Thanks for the help in advance! :D 

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October 6, 2012 8:30:58 PM

Get something with the amd A10 apu. You can play all the latest games for a great price. It combines cpu and gpu on the same chip for $130 + about $70 for a motherboard. You could make a nice build for under $500.
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October 6, 2012 8:41:51 PM

amd A10 cpu+gpu $130
Motherboard ASRock FM2A55M-DGS FM2 AMD A55 $60
Memory Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 $49
Storage any 500gb hdd $56
Case any case $50
Power supply $50
DVD Drive $17
Windows 7 $93

Total $505

Optional: I would get a Crucial M4 128gb ssd for operating system and applications for $100
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October 6, 2012 9:34:51 PM

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i mean we dont know wat this kid/guy's need are and the a10 is nice, but the i3 and 7770 will outperform it in just about everything while requiring ~half the power and providing much more future upgradability via the lga 1155 socket.

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Id get it a 6670 to hybrid crossfire to atleast make it a competition


A10 is a better CPU and does not use much more power when used as a CPU than the Ivy Bridge i5s. It has a much higher TDP, sure, but the IGP is most of the chip. Don't for get that. Simply disabling it if you're not building a low end system will give it huge overclocking headroom.

Even at stock, the A10s and the i3s trade blows, depending on the game. i3 has no chance against an overclocked10 or A8.

Now the 7770 wins in graphics performance by far, but you can get a 7770 plus A8 or A10 system just as cheaply as one with an i3, so the AMD choice is still superior.
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October 6, 2012 9:35:02 PM

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i mean we dont know wat this kid/guy's need are and the a10 is nice, but the i3 and 7770 will outperform it in just about everything while requiring ~half the power and providing much more future upgradability via the lga 1155 socket.

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Id get it a 6670 to hybrid crossfire to atleast make it a competition


Toms hardware benchmarks say the A10 cpu portion is roughly on par with Ivy i3. The A10 has a built in Radeon HD 7660D. A10 uses 100 watts total for cpu + gpu. i3 uses 55w + 231 watts for a 7770 (http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_radeon_hd_7750...). Your setup requires 3x the power, not 1/2. The comment about upgradability is nonsense too. You can crossfire with an additional video card with the one built into the A10. Intel changes sockets all the time. Don't rely on them not to.

And don't forget, A10 and Ivy i3 are exactly the same price. With the A10 you get free built in graphics capability.
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October 6, 2012 9:36:32 PM

Zalman Z11 Plus case
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October 6, 2012 9:37:12 PM

flexxar said:
Toms hardware benchmarks say the A10 cpu portion is roughly on par with Ivy i3. The A10 has a built in Radeon HD 7660D. A10 uses 100 watts total for cpu + gpu. i3 uses 55w + 231 watts for a 7770 (http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_radeon_hd_7750...). Your setup requires 3x the power, not 1/2. The comment about upgradability is nonsense too. You can crossfire with an additional video card with the one built into the A10. Intel changes sockets all the time. Don't rely on them not to.


7770 doesn't use 231 watts, probably not even if you overclock it as far as it will go with excellent water cooling. You are correct that he/she greatly overstated AMD's Trinity power needs, but don't overstate them for AMD's graphics cards.
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October 6, 2012 9:42:41 PM

luciferano said:
7770 doesn't use 231 watts, probably not even if you overclock it as far as it will go with excellent water cooling. You are correct that he/she greatly overstated AMD's Trinity power needs, but don't overstate them for AMD's graphics cards.


Yeah, I reread the link I posted. I posted the system watts. The 7770 uses 76 watts under load. My bad. So 76 + 55 = 131w for ivy i3 and 7770
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October 6, 2012 9:50:21 PM

flexxar said:
Yeah, I reread the link I posted. I posted the system watts. The 7770 uses 76 watts under load. My bad. So 76 + 55 = 131w for ivy i3 and 7770


Very similar to how much power a Trinity quad-core would use with its IGP disabled and a 7770 in use :) 

Overclocking would increase performance at the cost of power consumption, but increasing system power consumption by maybe 15-25% for a similar performance increase (or more, depending on how far one wants to overclock) seems perfectly worth it.
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October 6, 2012 9:59:42 PM

luciferano said:
Very similar to how much power a Trinity quad-core would use with its IGP disabled and a 7770 in use :) 

Overclocking would increase performance at the cost of power consumption, but increasing system power consumption by maybe 15-25% for a similar performance increase (or more, depending on how far one wants to overclock) seems perfectly worth it.


Should also note that since the A10 uses system memory, you can scale it as much as you like by adding more into the motherboard. I always end up replacing my graphics cards because newer games hit the limit of the amount on ram on a graphics card.
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October 6, 2012 10:09:34 PM

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i think everything has been covered by luciferano, a few quick things though. First, i should have clarified about the power consumption i meant just the cpu's when referring to that power figure, as the 7770 will draw the same on both boards. Also i dont know if you realize this but you can only hybrid crossfire the a10 with a 6670 max, so the superior cpu (i3) wins. If you even want to make it a contest, as i said earlier, you would need to get a 6670 and hybrid it and then overclock the a10s cpu, all of which leads to much greater power consumption at the same price point and still isnt even as good a performer as the i3/7770 (they trade some blows atleast though).


The ivy i3 and A10 cost the same amount at $130. Toms benchamarks say the cpu portion of the A10 is almost exactly the same speed as the ivy i3. So with the A10, you get a free built in gfx card. That's hard to beat. You can also disable the built in graphics card to get down to the tdp of the ivy i3 and buy any gfx card to add in. You do not have to crossfire.
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October 6, 2012 11:16:33 PM

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i think everything has been covered by luciferano, a few quick things though. First, i should have clarified about the power consumption i meant just the cpu's when referring to that power figure, as the 7770 will draw the same on both boards. Also i dont know if you realize this but you can only hybrid crossfire the a10 with a 6670 max, so the superior cpu (i3) wins. If you even want to make it a contest, as i said earlier, you would need to get a 6670 and hybrid it and then overclock the a10s cpu, all of which leads to much greater power consumption at the same price point and still isnt even as good a performer as the i3/7770 (they trade some blows atleast though).


A10s and A8s are great as CPUs, not just as APUs. My point is that you can disable the IGP and they should have huge overclocking headroom and great power efficiency. Even at stock with the IGP disabled, they are about on-par with the i3s in gaming performance, although they trade blows rather than perform identically (still, never too far off).

A10 or A8 (big difference is GPU performance, not CPU performance, so they would probably overclock similarly well, maybe with the A10s having a slight advantage due to binning) with a 7770 is better than i3 with a 7770. You're correct that with the Dual-Graphics (really Hybrid Crossfire under a different name AFAIK, but still, proper terminology according to AMD right now) with a 6670 would consume far more power while being significantly slower, but we're not arguing in favor of Dual-graphics beyond if possible, hybrid Crossfire with a 7750 or 7770. Our main point has been that disabling the IGP gives the A10s and A8s some serious headroom and the i3 simply can't compete with that.
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a b B Homebuilt system
October 7, 2012 7:24:52 PM

yeah... i just read through the post(sorry i was gone for the night) really appreciate the posts! :D 

I like the 8gb ram and the cpus i think the AMD cpus would work the best for this budget pc... i would rather focus more on the gpu...
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October 7, 2012 8:15:09 PM

Or if he wants gpu of trinity disabled - shouldnt he go for the already disabled gpu amd trinity Athlon X4 750K or Athlon X4 740 which are at $81 and $71.

Would an overclocked 750k be not as good performance processor as the A10-5800K OCed ?


Also - the A10-5800K at 3.8GHz is found to be OCed only upto 4.4GHz and that would not be an increase of 25% or more as said before. Maybe like maximum 5% as some reviews point -
one example is - http://www.anandtech.com/show/6347/amd-a10-5800k-a8-560...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-5800k-trinity-e...
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October 7, 2012 8:52:32 PM

Hever said:
Or if he wants gpu of trinity disabled - shouldnt he go for the already disabled gpu amd trinity Athlon X4 750K or Athlon X4 740 which are at $81 and $71.

Would an overclocked 750k be not as good performance processor as the A10-5800K OCed ?


Also - the A10-5800K at 3.8GHz is found to be OCed only upto 4.4GHz and that would not be an increase of 25% or more as said before. Maybe like maximum 5% as some reviews point -
one example is - http://www.anandtech.com/show/6347/amd-a10-5800k-a8-560...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-5800k-trinity-e...


They didn't disable the IGP.
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October 7, 2012 11:04:21 PM

Hever said:
They have - link -
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6347/amd-a10-5800k-a8-560...

"At the low end of the stack there are also two Athlon X4s without any active GPU if you just want a traditional Trinity CPU."


They didn't use a model without graphics nor disable the graphics in the APU in the overclocking test.
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a b B Homebuilt system
October 7, 2012 11:05:40 PM

yeah... would the fx-4100 work? also i mean like is there anyway to make room for a 7850 or anythink like that?
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October 7, 2012 11:25:43 PM

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jE21

Hah, FX-4100, I can fit a 7870 in that and still have almost $40 of your budget to spare with a decent build. I still recommend a Trinity solution, but that's me.
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October 8, 2012 12:13:05 AM

i'd go for the amd fx 6100 or the amd athlon x4 or phenom x4 for your processor, i have had all of them and all run great. none are higher than 200 bucks
for ram just 4 gigs should do that would be about 40 bucks
graphics the 550ti or the 660 ti are great cards 550 is about 130 660 is about 230
HDD if you want a solid state for boot get like a 40gb for about 40 bucks or just get a nice 500gb for around 80 bucks
case, you can get nice cases for 50 bucks just look around
power supplly, also nice ones for about 50 bucks
and lastly the motherboard, if you get a fx 6100 you need a am3+ mobo those can get pricey I got my brother one for about 60 bucks though he has the 6100 4gb ram and the 550ti and can max any game at 1920x1080
hope i helped anyone, the prices i put are from what i remember and rounded up. i dont know if they add up to 600 or more or less but im sure some combination of them will
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a b B Homebuilt system
October 8, 2012 2:01:05 AM

yeah really guys this really helps :D 
so here are what im thinking

CPU
FX-4100(he does not need 6 cores)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$110
GPU
7870
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$260

TOTAL(for cpu and gpu)
$370

Mobo
Ga-970a-UD3
http://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-GA-970A-UD3-AM3-SATA-Mot...
$105

RAM
2x4gb 1333 ram
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$34

Total(so far)
$509

PSU
Corsair Builder Series CX V2 430(Im not sure how many volts he needs, also can you see if it can handle the 7870 so cord wise)
http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-500-Watt-Certified-Compat...
$50

Case
HAF 912
http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Computer-Airflow-RC...
59.99

Total(so far)
620

DVD reader/writer
Lite-On LightScribe 24X SATA
http://www.amazon.com/Lite--LightScribe-Layer-Drive-IHA...
$30

Overall without the montior, keyboard, mouse, or windows(i think i can just use my disk on it)
$650

so 650 is not too bad for a system that can handle anything... also any idea on the monitor, keyboard, and mouse? i think 720p is fine for him
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October 8, 2012 9:20:44 PM

i agree with what panicmaster put on most things exept the GPU and the processor
the fx 4100 is only a dual core but each core has a dedicated second core so its 2 real cores and 2 "fake" cores its how the fx series is its great cause they are fast and cheap and work Really really great for programs that only use 1 core cause it has 2 now. with that in mind for about 50 bucks you can get the 6100 which is a triple core but 2 per core makes it a 6 or just get the anthlon 2 x4 or phenom 2 x4

and the GPU the one panic master put is pricey compared to the 550 or 660, both can max anygame at 1920x1080 and i think the 660 does our preform the 7870 if you get the superclocked edition which is about 30 bucks cheaper than the 7870. but the 7870 is still a GREAT card im just thinking with money more in mind

also if you processor doesnt need a 8pin motherboard then dont get one unless you plan on upgrading, 8pins tend to cost a lot more that a 4 pin
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a b B Homebuilt system
October 8, 2012 10:49:01 PM

alright cool... how about you match 110 with a intel processor and then we will talk
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October 8, 2012 11:06:49 PM

yeah, you get a TRUE 6 core for under 500 bucks that can easily go to 4 or 4.5 ghz and then you might have the right to say something.

i never believed that intel was better for many reason. the biggest being amd is way cheaper look at the phenom II x6 its about 200 bucks and its a true 6 core processor intel has 1 for about 500 bucks and 1 for 1k and while amd has 2 great quad cores for about 100 bucks intel has their quad cores at 300-500 bucks

people say intels is better i say prove it, all my amd's out preform any intel i have ever had or seen (in the same price or and same power range) also dont trust benchmarks for 2 reasons.
1. most of them are before any updates to system bios so the new tech processors are lower
2. the programs are almost always biased to intel
3. its not real world tests. using games benchmarks is a great way to test but others arent very reliable
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a b B Homebuilt system
October 8, 2012 11:35:51 PM

ugh just getout jrgong i dont want to hear it... go troll another thread
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October 9, 2012 12:58:15 AM

thanks for proving my point jrgong, you posted 2 processors each about 100 bucks both a dual core let me post somthing the same price
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

both same or under the price of the ones you posted both have double the power

look at these too, the amd one is disconntinued but it still has the price and you can still get them with that price, newegg just stopped selling them
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
now lets look on the intel side for TRUE 6 cores
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
amd has about the same clock rate plus the amd one can automatically go down to a 3 core when you boot a game and have about 4.5 ghz without any overclocking

and as i posted benchmarks are not real world uses. if you use rendering software and just do a time test amd usually wins.

with GPU's yes ATI/AMD has nicer cards but look at the prices and think. the 550ti can max anygame no problem running cool its 130 bucks why get better well if you want one for the future the 660ti out preforms the 680 on most things and also of course can max any game and its 200-250$
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October 9, 2012 2:05:55 AM

chairsgotoschool said:
i agree with what panicmaster put on most things exept the GPU and the processor
the fx 4100 is only a dual core but each core has a dedicated second core so its 2 real cores and 2 "fake" cores its how the fx series is its great cause they are fast and cheap and work Really really great for programs that only use 1 core cause it has 2 now. with that in mind for about 50 bucks you can get the 6100 which is a triple core but 2 per core makes it a 6 or just get the anthlon 2 x4 or phenom 2 x4

and the GPU the one panic master put is pricey compared to the 550 or 660, both can max anygame at 1920x1080 and i think the 660 does our preform the 7870 if you get the superclocked edition which is about 30 bucks cheaper than the 7870. but the 7870 is still a GREAT card im just thinking with money more in mind

also if you processor doesnt need a 8pin motherboard then dont get one unless you plan on upgrading, 8pins tend to cost a lot more that a 4 pin


It's four full cores. There are only two FPUs, but their each more powerful than two FPUs from Llano, so its a win anyway.
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October 9, 2012 2:07:37 AM

chairsgotoschool said:
thanks for proving my point jrgong, you posted 2 processors each about 100 bucks both a dual core let me post somthing the same price
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

both same or under the price of the ones you posted both have double the power

look at these too, the amd one is disconntinued but it still has the price and you can still get them with that price, newegg just stopped selling them
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
now lets look on the intel side for TRUE 6 cores
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
amd has about the same clock rate plus the amd one can automatically go down to a 3 core when you boot a game and have about 4.5 ghz without any overclocking

and as i posted benchmarks are not real world uses. if you use rendering software and just do a time test amd usually wins.

with GPU's yes ATI/AMD has nicer cards but look at the prices and think. the 550ti can max anygame no problem running cool its 130 bucks why get better well if you want one for the future the 660ti out preforms the 680 on most things and also of course can max any game and its 200-250$


The Pentium is truly weak in comparison to AMD's quad core models, but the i3 is fairly close to the FX-4100 in quad-threaded performance. Twice as powerful, not a chance in gaming performance. For highly threaded performance, that'd take something like an FX-6200 or 8120, but it'd take a game such as BF3 MP with around 60 players to get such doubling in-game.

The 660 Ti does not touch the 670 nor the 680, IDK where you got crap info like that. The 660 Ti is a waste of moeny because the 660 performs similarly for a lot less money and lower power consumption an the 670 has some models that are only a little more expensive than the 660 Ti, yet are much better. The 550 Ti os significantly beaten by the similarly priced Radeon 7770 and the 660 Ti is beaten by the similarly priced 7950 quite nicely.
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October 9, 2012 3:03:22 AM

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