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August 15, 2012 6:05:22 PM

Update 8/16/2012 5pm:

So I went with the 670 - specifically the MSI 670 PE. Here's why:

- The 660Ti is bandwidth constrained at 2560x1600 (and presumably 2560x1440). Looking at the Tom's review, many of the games see significant drops at that point. I have a display that can push that resolution, and I want to take advantage of it. The 670 doesn't suffer from this problem.
- The EVGA cards look OK and seem to be popular, but I just can't get past that blower style cooler. Everything I've read says it tends to run hotter and louder; I can't see myself being happy with that level of noise. It's part of what I'm trying to escape.
- The MSI PE is pre-overclocked. This means that I'll have no warranty concerns yet get the advantage of the higher speeds. I can still push the memory clock if I want.

Many thanks to TheBigTroll, geofelt, seyalan, wildpluckings, verbalizer, timbo1130 (if only I didn't hate TD!), and mace200200.

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Looking to replace my Gigabyte GTX 560 Ti in the near future - has an annoying failed ball bearing in a fan, as well as slightly poor performance at 2560x1440 and can only support 2 monitors at once.

A big part of the question is my primary app - dualboxing WoW at decent settings (one at 2560x1440, ideally; both with high or ultra). Is NVidia or ATI better here? I think Nvidia is usually better for WoW - but ATI has more RAM on some models, and ATI does better at the 2560x1440 resolution in some cases, from what I've read).

I like NVidia generally due to better drivers (though this may be an old perception), NVidia 3DTVPlay (I have a 3D TV, but seldom if ever use 3D), and PhysX (Borderlands 2 has enhanced PhysX support from what I've heard, and it was awesome in Arkham Asylum).

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: This week - ideally thursday or friday so I have it this weekend.

BUDGET RANGE: $280 - $450 after rebates (might be able to go slightly higher for good reason)

USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: WoW (dualboxing or single WoW and web video or web surfing on the other screen), CS:GO, Borderlands 2, Torchlight 2, Diablo III. I'd like support for 3 or 4 monitors. NVidia 3DTVPlay for my TV is a nice to have.

CURRENT GPU AND POWER SUPPLY: Gigabyte Geforce GTX 560 Ti (with annoying fan issue - it's under warranty, but I'd like to upgrade and pass the fixed card to a family member). Thermaltake 750W modular power supply with up to 4 PCI-E cords (can get exact specs later)

OTHER RELEVANT SYSTEM SPECS: i7-2600K - watercooled with minor overclock, Gigabyte Z68 MicroATX MoBo, 16 GB RAM. Video card will use it's own cooling solution.

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Amazon drastically preferred, but I'm not against switching to Newegg if there is a very good reason

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: USA

PARTS PREFERENCES: I want support for 3 or 4 monitors. NVidia 3DTVPlay for my TV is a nice to have. Enhanced PhysX would be nice, too. Still, if I can get substantially better performance with ATI for what I use it for, the nice-to-haves can be ignored.

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Not now, maybe in the future

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1x Auria EW276W at 2560x1440, 1x Samsung at 1920x1080 (might upgrade to a second Auria)

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Would prefer longer warranties and non-reference cooling; WoW dualboxing should be with reasonably high settings; I like Gigabyte but haven't had great luck with them as of late, so I'm open to suggestions. Fans can be a bit louder, but can't have ball bearings that get shot a week after purchase. I like factory overclocks as I'm a bit lazy.

CONSIDERING THE FOLLOWING:
Geforce GTX 660 Ti - ~$300
(Comes out tomorrow supposedly, estimated $300 price point is nice, but I'm concerned how big the drop between the 670 and it will be).
No idea on brands/models.

Geforce GTX 670 - ~$410
Examples:
GIGABYTE GV-N670OC-2GD GeForce GTX 670 Windforce OC 2048MB GDDR5 256-bit
http://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-GV-N670OC-2GD-GeForce-Windforce-Graphics/dp/B0080I06WQ/ref=sr_1_2

MSI N670 PE 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 670 2GB - $430 amazon, $404AR newegg - 3/2yr warranty, nice factory OC, twin frozr IV cooler - theBigTroll recommended MSI
http://www.amazon.com/MSI-DisplayPort-PCI-Express-N670-...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA GeForce GTX670 FTW 2048MB - $399 newegg, $410 amazon - 3yr warranty (thanks Timbo!), nice factory OC, single fan non-ref cooler - geofelt recommends
http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Dual-Link-DisplayPort-Graphi...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Geforce GTX 570 - ~$270
Examples:
MSI N570GTX TWIN FROZR II NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 1280MB
http://www.amazon.com/MSI-N570GTX-TWIN-FROZR-PCI-Express/dp/B008809SUM/ref=sr_1_12

EVGA GeForce GTX 570 Superclocked 1280 MB GDDR5
http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Superclocked-Mini-HDMI-Lifetime-012-P3-1572-AR/dp/B004EYSMGW/ref=sr_1_2

XFX FX797ATDBC Double D HD 7970 Black Edition 3GB DDR5 1000M
http://www.amazon.com/XFX-FX797ATDBC-Double-Black-Graphics/dp/B006W3ZU4U/ref=sr_1_2

AMD Radeon HD 7970 - ~$430
Example:
Gigabyte AMD Radeon HD 7970 OC 3GB GDDR5
http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Radeon-Mini-Displayport-Graphics-GV-R797OC-3GD/dp/B00752QYLK/ref=sr_1_4

AMD Radeon HD 7950 - ~$350
Examples:
Gigabyte AMD Radeon HD 7950 3GB GDDR5
http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Mini-Displayport-PCI-Express-Graphic-GV-R795WF3-3GD/dp/B007581QHG/ref=sr_1_1

MSI AMD Radeon HD 7950 3GB GDDR5
http://www.amazon.com/MSI-R7950-TWIN-FROZR-3GD5/dp/B007NG3WR2/ref=sr_1_3

AMD Radeon HD 7870 Ghz Edition - ~$280
Example:
Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 GHZ OC 2 GB
http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-GDDR5-Graphics-11199-03-20G/dp/B007JCNOY6/ref=sr_1_1

More about : replacing gtx 560 future hold 660ti

a b U Graphics card
August 15, 2012 6:11:50 PM

Blizzards games greatly prefer Nvidia GPU's, however, I don't think upgrading to the new 660Ti is going to give you much of an increase in performance it's suppose to perform somewhere between a 560Ti, and a 580, so around 570 levels which is only one step up over your 560Ti according to the GPU hierarchy chart.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...

If you want to upgrade mostly just because of that bearing, I think you'd be better off buying an after market cooler for it, or upgrading to a 670 or higher if your want to get a noticeable performance increase.
a b U Graphics card
August 15, 2012 6:20:20 PM

a 560ti SLI is about as good as a single 660ti (i assume this given a 560ti 448 core classified SLI cant beat a single 670)

its probably worth the upgrade but w we will see the benches tomorrow
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a c 303 U Graphics card
August 15, 2012 6:24:43 PM

If you will upgrade for more performance, make it a good sized jump, or you may be disappointed.
A GTX670 would be appropriate.

If you are satisfied with GTX560ti performance, then waiting for the GTX660 would likely be rewarded.

In general, unless you play just one game exclusively, there is not much differentiation between Nvidia and AMD at any price point.
For just one game, look at the benchmarks.
Since you have and like Nvidia, I would stick with that.

The GTX670 will handle 3 monitors.
I suggest the EVGA GTX670 FTW:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

But, there are some other options for handling 4.

1) I think your motherboard can attach 2 monitors. For movie playback or other non gaming uses, they should be ok.
2) Add an inexpensive graphics card. This could attach two monitors, and also provide physx capability. It need not be very strong for this purpose.

sli is not a good option, even if it is possible.
A M-ATX motherboard will have a hard time with cooling of two adjacent dual slot graphics cards.
August 15, 2012 6:54:45 PM

geofelt said:
If you will upgrade for more performance, make it a good sized jump, or you may be disappointed.
A GTX670 would be appropriate.

If you are satisfied with GTX560ti performance, then waiting for the GTX660 would likely be rewarded.

In general, unless you play just one game exclusively, there is not much differentiation between Nvidia and AMD at any price point.
For just one game, look at the benchmarks.
Since you have and like Nvidia, I would stick with that.

I do like NVidia, and I'm somewhat bought into their ecosystem (I like PhysX and own a license for 3DTVPlay.) I would like a decent performance jump. My big deciding factors are how decent the 660Ti is, if 2GB and a 192-bit memory bus are enough for dual-boxing WoW at high settings or if I should bump those up. 3GB+ I've only seen on AMD unless I go really high-end; 256-bit+ just knocks out the 660Ti.

geofelt said:
The GTX670 will handle 3 monitors.
I suggest the EVGA GTX670 FTW:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I've been tossing around the FTW, too. I've heard that the FTWs have better cooling due to a longer PCB, and the factory OC looks good. The Amazon link is http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Dual-Link-DisplayPort-Graphics-02G-P4-2678-KR/dp/B0083Y6MV6/ref=sr_1_1, and it's a -KR model, which is lifetime warranty. I'll be adding it to the list.

geofelt said:
But, there are some other options for handling 4.

1) I think your motherboard can attach 2 monitors. For movie playback or other non gaming uses, they should be ok.
2) Add an inexpensive graphics card. This could attach two monitors, and also provide physx capability. It need not be very strong for this purpose.

Both of these are decent options, but one thing I like is the flexibility to kick WoW from my desk to my TV without major performance loss or switching cables.

geofelt said:
sli is not a good option, even if it is possible.
A M-ATX motherboard will have a hard time with cooling of two adjacent dual slot graphics cards.

Agreed. I would only be doing that after a MB upgrade, and that's a ways off. I just don't want to inadvertantly rule it out somehow
a b U Graphics card
August 15, 2012 6:58:03 PM

the ftw doesnt have the best cooling. the msi power edition is a better bet. the msi is slightly cooler than the gigabyte or the asus from what i read
August 15, 2012 7:01:32 PM

mace200200 said:
Blizzards games greatly prefer Nvidia GPU's, however, I don't think upgrading to the new 660Ti is going to give you much of an increase in performance it's suppose to perform somewhere between a 560Ti, and a 580, so around 570 levels which is only one step up over your 560Ti according to the GPU hierarchy chart.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...

If you want to upgrade mostly just because of that bearing, I think you'd be better off buying an after market cooler for it, or upgrading to a 670 or higher if your want to get a noticeable performance increase.

Yes, that's my concern. I've seen the chart, and as for the 660Ti, I don't know where it sits. TweakTown's preview has it beating the GTX 580 in some benchmarks, I'm not sure how reliable their unauthorized preview is. The news embargo just needs to end. :) 
a b U Graphics card
August 15, 2012 7:08:25 PM

yeah that one. get it from newegg
August 15, 2012 7:27:43 PM

TheBigTroll said:
yeah that one. get it from newegg

Eh, other than the $25 difference ($20 of which is a rebate I have a high chance of forgetting) is there a good reason? I have some Amazon GCs (over $100) and Amazon Prime, so it'd be $3.99 for 1-day shipping.
August 15, 2012 7:38:13 PM

2751413,1,849032 said:
Looking to replace my Gigabyte GTX 560 Ti in the near future - has an annoying failed ball bearing in a fan, as well as slightly poor performance at 2560x1440 and can only support 2 monitors at once.

A big part of the question is my primary app - dualboxing WoW at decent settings (one at 2560x1440, ideally; both with high or ultra). Is NVidia or ATI better here? I think Nvidia is usually better for WoW - but ATI has more RAM on some models, and ATI does better at the 2560x1440 resolution in some cases, from what I've read).

I like NVidia generally due to better drivers (though this may be an old perception), NVidia 3DTVPlay (I have a 3D TV, but seldom if ever use 3D), and PhysX (Borderlands 2 has enhanced PhysX support from what I've heard, and it was awesome in Arkham Asylum).

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: This week - ideally thursday or friday so I have it this weekend.

BUDGET RANGE: $280 - $450 after rebates (might be able to go slightly higher for good reason)



I happen to know of a hd 7970 that you can buy right now after an instant savings coupon code is applied the price drops to $359.99 and is bundled with the new sonic game and 3 others i don't remember which ones they are. Anyway its not a ghz edition and its pure reference but it is still a very nice card for 40 bucks less than a gtx 670. I checked Toms benchmarks for WoW cataclysm and 2 2560x1600 with 8x AA the hd 7970 at stock gets 68 fps. That is not as good as the gtx 670 that has 78 fps with the same settings but it is cheaper and recent catalyst updates have improved performance across the board on the hd 7000 series cards. Not to mention that unless wow is the only game you will ever play the hd 7970 is a slightly faster card on average with more video ram than the gtx 670 and if direct compute ever becomes more realivent this card is the best compute card out there. I am not saying for sure you should get this card but considering it will still get you well over 60 fps at your 2560x1440 resolution on wow will perform at least on par in other games as a gtx 670 and costs 10 percent less I would highly recommend it. If I had a 560ti and had your budget I would buy this card thats for sure.


Vision Tech HD7970 @ tiger direct $429.99 - $70.00 instant Savings Code: dcz69391

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite...
a b U Graphics card
August 15, 2012 7:42:38 PM

I would try getting the EVGA FTW 670 edition.
August 15, 2012 8:07:52 PM

timbo1130 said:

I happen to know of a hd 7970 that you can buy right now after an instant savings coupon code is applied the price drops to $359.99 and is bundled with the new sonic game and 3 others i don't remember which ones they are. Anyway its not a ghz edition and its pure reference but it is still a very nice card for 40 bucks less than a gtx 670. I checked Toms benchmarks for WoW cataclysm and 2 2560x1600 with 8x AA the hd 7970 at stock gets 68 fps. That is not as good as the gtx 670 that has 78 fps with the same settings but it is cheaper and recent catalyst updates have improved performance across the board on the hd 7000 series cards. Not to mention that unless wow is the only game you will ever play the hd 7970 is a slightly faster card on average with more video ram than the gtx 670 and if direct compute ever becomes more realivent this card is the best compute card out there. I am not saying for sure you should get this card but considering it will still get you well over 60 fps at your 2560x1440 resolution on wow will perform at least on par in other games as a gtx 670 and costs 10 percent less I would highly recommend it. If I had a 560ti and had your budget I would buy this card thats for sure.


Vision Tech HD7970 @ tiger direct $429.99 - $70.00 instant Savings Code: dcz69391

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite...

If that's a 7970, that's a pretty good deal. I already own 3 of the 4 games, but that price alone isn't bad. I'm not a big fan of TD though, and though I can order TD through Amazon I can't order that bundle / coupon code. Also bothering me a bit is how the description starts talking about the 7770. According to VisionTek's website, they do make a 7770, but the packaging is drastically different. TD also ships it a bit slower.

I'll keep it in mind, but I'd really prefer to go Amazon, or at least Newegg.
August 15, 2012 8:41:44 PM

Be sure to let us know what you end up getting. I would not blame you getting a gtx 670 or 660ti assuming the performance is where you are expecting it to be. I have 2 gtx 680's myself that i got before the 670's were released and before the hd 7970 price drops. If I had not already got these cards I would be in the market for gtx 670's or hd 7970's so really i dont think you can go wrong and i play at 2560x1600 so i deal with the same video ram concerns you do.

Again best of luck on finding the perfect fit for your wants and needs. There is nothing like getting a new video card its just so much fun to me.
August 15, 2012 8:46:00 PM

Hold out - even if you don't get a 660ti you will see some sort of a price break on the 560ti's
August 15, 2012 8:51:28 PM

pennywise said:
Hold out - even if you don't get a 660ti you will see some sort of a price break on the 560ti's

I'm leaning towards seeing what happens tomorrow. I'm not interested in another 560 Ti though - I want some sort of performance or capability boost, and the 560 Ti won't even give me 3 monitor support.
August 15, 2012 8:51:57 PM

itomeshi said:
I'm leaning towards seeing what happens tomorrow. I'm not interested in another 560 Ti though - I want some sort of performance or capability boost, and the 560 Ti won't even give me 3 monitor support.



I am hoping (maybe a fool's hope) for a drop on 670s or even some sort of rebate offering on them.
a b U Graphics card
August 15, 2012 10:24:44 PM

pennywise said:
I am hoping (maybe a fool's hope) for a drop on 670s or even some sort of rebate offering on them.



Same here I really want to buy a 670 but I game at 1920x1080 one monitor and for my games I can pretty much max everything and its smooth, but I would like the 670 as it is more future proof. I hope the price or rebates on 670's change as it would probably make it easier for me to just buy one without worrying about selling my 560Ti.

If I buy one now and still have my card, I would feel like it was money wasted.
August 15, 2012 10:35:13 PM

hi, I upgraded from 2x gigabyte 560ti SLI to a single gigabyte GTX 670 and wrote up a quick summary in another post a few months ago, and I think it could help you out :)  so here it is:

"I have had my gigabyte GTX 670 for a few days and I've been really happy with it.

The difference between the GTX 670 and my 560ti SLI combo is night and day. I can run highest quality textures in Crysis 2 and Battlefield 3 without slowdown at 2560x1440. 2GB of video memory has made a massive difference.

Framerates are a little higher than the 560ti SLI in every application I've tried. But more importantly everything "feels" significantly smoother. Maybe it's the higher minimum FPS. It dropped to an average of 25-30fps in Battlefield 3 single player with every setting maxed (including anti aliasing and ambient occlusion) @ 2560x1440. Without AA it will rise comfortably above 60fps. The 560ti Combo would struggle with 10fps at this setting due to it's 1GB of video memory.

Temperatures - in the most intensive applications have not yet exceeded 65C. Idle temperature is 32-36C. Worth the upgrade alone compared to 80C/90C load temps on the 560ti SLI setup.

Noise - as quiet as it needs to be. Don't recall one time where I have noticed it.

Multi-display - works perfectly. TV and two monitors connected to one card.

= Good upgrade"
a b U Graphics card
August 16, 2012 12:09:02 AM

Spoiler
a b U Graphics card
August 16, 2012 1:17:04 AM

I dont see anything
a c 86 U Graphics card
August 16, 2012 1:20:07 AM

selayan said:
I dont see anything

Click on it, it's hidden by a spoiler tag.
a b U Graphics card
August 16, 2012 1:23:59 AM

Ah ok now I see, thanks. So the max he got on Bf3 was 79 and avg 56 or so. Single player I can run ultra on my 560Ti. Not sure about my frames but it plays smooth.
August 16, 2012 1:53:26 AM

wildpluckings said:
hi, I upgraded from 2x gigabyte 560ti SLI to a single gigabyte GTX 670 and wrote up a quick summary in another post a few months ago, and I think it could help you out :)  so here it is:

"I have had my gigabyte GTX 670 for a few days and I've been really happy with it.

The difference between the GTX 670 and my 560ti SLI combo is night and day. I can run highest quality textures in Crysis 2 and Battlefield 3 without slowdown at 2560x1440. 2GB of video memory has made a massive difference.

Framerates are a little higher than the 560ti SLI in every application I've tried. But more importantly everything "feels" significantly smoother. Maybe it's the higher minimum FPS. It dropped to an average of 25-30fps in Battlefield 3 single player with every setting maxed (including anti aliasing and ambient occlusion) @ 2560x1440. Without AA it will rise comfortably above 60fps. The 560ti Combo would struggle with 10fps at this setting due to it's 1GB of video memory.

Temperatures - in the most intensive applications have not yet exceeded 65C. Idle temperature is 32-36C. Worth the upgrade alone compared to 80C/90C load temps on the 560ti SLI setup.

Noise - as quiet as it needs to be. Don't recall one time where I have noticed it.

Multi-display - works perfectly. TV and two monitors connected to one card.

= Good upgrade"


That is pretty good to know. The fact that it's a notable update over two of my current card in SLI is impressive. Mind you, a lot of that could be the microstuttering mentioned in recent articles.

I'm leaning towards the MSI so far. The EVGA model has a better RAM OC and lifetime warranty. However, the single-fan design concerns me a bit.
August 16, 2012 2:09:53 AM

You are Mistaken all EVGA gtx 670's come with a 3 yr warranty that can be extended for additional cost but there is no life time warranty available on the 600 series cards from EVGA to my knowledge. I checked the link to the gtx 670 from evga linked in this thread and it is a 36 month warranty listed. I am an active member on the evga forums and this was a hot topic when the 680's were released.
a b U Graphics card
August 16, 2012 2:10:21 AM

I noticed that single fan too. But a lot of praise is around the FTW edition. The Asus TOP 670 seems to be a bit better too. Not sure which would be better. I like the MSI design too, my 560ti with two fans is always quiet even under high fan control.

For the step up program you would need to get the extended warranty too if a new card were to come out in 90 days.
a b U Graphics card
August 16, 2012 2:15:14 AM

the msi cools much better than the ftw and slightly better than the asus directcu2 cooler. however, i agree that evga does have a better warranty. i personally have no problem with msi since a RMA depot isnt too far from where i live and that ncix usually helps out with that process.

your pick
a b U Graphics card
August 16, 2012 2:31:12 AM

I always buy MSI brand cards, but besides cooling, and warranties, I don't think it matters to much because I also had a Galaxy 220 that I OCed to hell from the day I got it and it finally died just last month.
August 16, 2012 2:37:17 AM

hd 7970 for 360 on tigerdirect with code DCZ69391

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...




itomeshi said:
Looking to replace my Gigabyte GTX 560 Ti in the near future - has an annoying failed ball bearing in a fan, as well as slightly poor performance at 2560x1440 and can only support 2 monitors at once.

A big part of the question is my primary app - dualboxing WoW at decent settings (one at 2560x1440, ideally; both with high or ultra). Is NVidia or ATI better here? I think Nvidia is usually better for WoW - but ATI has more RAM on some models, and ATI does better at the 2560x1440 resolution in some cases, from what I've read).

I like NVidia generally due to better drivers (though this may be an old perception), NVidia 3DTVPlay (I have a 3D TV, but seldom if ever use 3D), and PhysX (Borderlands 2 has enhanced PhysX support from what I've heard, and it was awesome in Arkham Asylum).

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: This week - ideally thursday or friday so I have it this weekend.

BUDGET RANGE: $280 - $450 after rebates (might be able to go slightly higher for good reason)

USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: WoW (dualboxing or single WoW and web video or web surfing on the other screen), CS:GO, Borderlands 2, Torchlight 2, Diablo III. I'd like support for 3 or 4 monitors. NVidia 3DTVPlay for my TV is a nice to have.

CURRENT GPU AND POWER SUPPLY: Gigabyte Geforce GTX 560 Ti (with annoying fan issue - it's under warranty, but I'd like to upgrade and pass the fixed card to a family member). Thermaltake 750W modular power supply with up to 4 PCI-E cords (can get exact specs later)

OTHER RELEVANT SYSTEM SPECS: i7-2600K - watercooled with minor overclock, Gigabyte Z68 MicroATX MoBo, 16 GB RAM. Video card will use it's own cooling solution.

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Amazon drastically preferred, but I'm not against switching to Newegg if there is a very good reason

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: USA

PARTS PREFERENCES: I want support for 3 or 4 monitors. NVidia 3DTVPlay for my TV is a nice to have. Enhanced PhysX would be nice, too. Still, if I can get substantially better performance with ATI for what I use it for, the nice-to-haves can be ignored.

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Not now, maybe in the future

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1x Auria EW276W at 2560x1440, 1x Samsung at 1920x1080 (might upgrade to a second Auria)

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Would prefer longer warranties and non-reference cooling; WoW dualboxing should be with reasonably high settings; I like Gigabyte but haven't had great luck with them as of late, so I'm open to suggestions. Fans can be a bit louder, but can't have ball bearings that get shot a week after purchase. I like factory overclocks as I'm a bit lazy.

CONSIDERING THE FOLLOWING:
Geforce GTX 660 Ti - ~$300
(Comes out tomorrow supposedly, estimated $300 price point is nice, but I'm concerned how big the drop between the 670 and it will be).
No idea on brands/models.

Geforce GTX 670 - ~$410
Examples:
GIGABYTE GV-N670OC-2GD GeForce GTX 670 Windforce OC 2048MB GDDR5 256-bit
http://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-GV-N670OC-2GD-GeForce-Windforce-Graphics/dp/B0080I06WQ/ref=sr_1_2

MSI N670 PE 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 670 2GB - $430 amazon, $404AR newegg - 3/2yr warranty, nice factory OC, twin frozr IV cooler - theBigTroll recommended MSI
http://www.amazon.com/MSI-DisplayPort-PCI-Express-N670-...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA GeForce GTX670 FTW 2048MB - $399 newegg, $410 amazon - lifetime warranty, nice factory OC, single fan non-ref cooler - geofelt recommends
http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Dual-Link-DisplayPort-Graphi...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Geforce GTX 570 - ~$270
Examples:
MSI N570GTX TWIN FROZR II NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 1280MB
http://www.amazon.com/MSI-N570GTX-TWIN-FROZR-PCI-Express/dp/B008809SUM/ref=sr_1_12

EVGA GeForce GTX 570 Superclocked 1280 MB GDDR5
http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Superclocked-Mini-HDMI-Lifetime-012-P3-1572-AR/dp/B004EYSMGW/ref=sr_1_2

XFX FX797ATDBC Double D HD 7970 Black Edition 3GB DDR5 1000M
http://www.amazon.com/XFX-FX797ATDBC-Double-Black-Graphics/dp/B006W3ZU4U/ref=sr_1_2

AMD Radeon HD 7970 - ~$430
Example:
Gigabyte AMD Radeon HD 7970 OC 3GB GDDR5
http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Radeon-Mini-Displayport-Graphics-GV-R797OC-3GD/dp/B00752QYLK/ref=sr_1_4

AMD Radeon HD 7950 - ~$350
Examples:
Gigabyte AMD Radeon HD 7950 3GB GDDR5
http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Mini-Displayport-PCI-Express-Graphic-GV-R795WF3-3GD/dp/B007581QHG/ref=sr_1_1

MSI AMD Radeon HD 7950 3GB GDDR5
http://www.amazon.com/MSI-R7950-TWIN-FROZR-3GD5/dp/B007NG3WR2/ref=sr_1_3

AMD Radeon HD 7870 Ghz Edition - ~$280
Example:
Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 GHZ OC 2 GB
http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-GDDR5-Graphics-11199-03-20G/dp/B007JCNOY6/ref=sr_1_1
a b U Graphics card
August 16, 2012 3:02:04 AM

Sadly that 7970 would not fit in my roswell challenger :(  Never tried an Amd card before. We have amd quad processors at work and the pc is always slugging along, freezing so I dunno. Hopefully the 660ti is out tomorrow. Its gonna be hard choice for me too figuring out which brand to get if I go with the 670.
a b U Graphics card
August 16, 2012 3:04:46 AM

you could get a different case
a b U Graphics card
August 16, 2012 3:36:17 AM

Yeh that's true, maybe a HAF912 but even that you need to take out the drive cage to fit some of the larger cards. I don't like full tower cases.

The 670 FTW will fit in my Challenger so will the MSI version I think. The Challenger's card length is 11 3/8."

I will probably go for a new case next year when I get a new Mobo/processor..who knows. I've always had crappy pc's that I didn't care about replacing parts..but when you finally build a decent one, upgrading parts feels like throwing money out when it still performs fine at the moment lol.
August 16, 2012 4:59:42 AM

timbo1130 said:
You are Mistaken all EVGA gtx 670's come with a 3 yr warranty that can be extended for additional cost but there is no life time warranty available on the 600 series cards from EVGA to my knowledge. I checked the link to the gtx 670 from evga linked in this thread and it is a 36 month warranty listed. I am an active member on the evga forums and this was a hot topic when the 680's were released.


Ah, you're right. I think I got confused from looking at a 5xx series card. Thanks.
August 16, 2012 5:02:36 AM

selayan said:
Yeh that's true, maybe a HAF912 but even that you need to take out the drive cage to fit some of the larger cards. I don't like full tower cases.

The 670 FTW will fit in my Challenger so will the MSI version I think. The Challenger's card length is 11 3/8."

I will probably go for a new case next year when I get a new Mobo/processor..who knows. I've always had crappy pc's that I didn't care about replacing parts..but when you finally build a decent one, upgrading parts feels like throwing money out when it still performs fine at the moment lol.


My strategy for that is simple: put it to use. I'll work it down to another PC (my home server or my girlfriend's PC), or I'll give it to one of my brothers. You could always try to sell it, but people never want to buy old cards at a price coming close to their relative performance.
August 16, 2012 5:08:04 AM

verbalizer said:
Spoiler


Hmm... WoW looks nice and smooth there maxxed out - but, he's also running below 2560x1440. Still, good to know that I can crank everything else up.
a b U Graphics card
August 16, 2012 12:20:04 PM

itomeshi said:
My strategy for that is simple: put it to use. I'll work it down to another PC (my home server or my girlfriend's PC), or I'll give it to one of my brothers. You could always try to sell it, but people never want to buy old cards at a price coming close to their relative performance.



You are right...If I dont end up selling my 560Ti I will give it to my brother. He has some alienware pc with a core i7 3550, watercooled, with a gtx 555?? That card sucks compared to mine.

Was also thinking of changing my SSD from 128gb to 256 since I can get them on Ebay for about $170 now and the 128 models of the crucial m4 are going for around $80. I'll give the 128gb to him too.

Worst comes to worst I can put the card on Ebay and let it sit there. I've seen completed listings for my model sell from $90-160.
August 16, 2012 2:58:00 PM

Crud...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-ti-...

I was hoping it wasn't going to be that close. My hope was that it would be near or below the 570, because then it would be an easy decision in the GTX 670's favor.

As-is, it looks like an excellent deal - except the memory bandwidth concerns me for dual boxing WoW. Yes, WoW isn't the most demanding game - but two instances of it at once might push it a bit.
a b U Graphics card
August 16, 2012 3:07:03 PM

660ti might be the way to go if you ask me. i can run wow with intergrated graphics you know
August 16, 2012 3:59:05 PM

TheBigTroll said:
660ti might be the way to go if you ask me. i can run wow with intergrated graphics you know

You can run WoW with integrated graphics, yes; but it's less enjoyable for raiding, the tiny bit of PvP I occasionally do, etc. Still, I know what you mean.

On a side note, does anyone know if the Borderlands 2 certificates are transferrable? I've already pre-ordered it, but I know my brother would enjoy BL2. Either way I go, it would make waiting worth it.
a b U Graphics card
August 16, 2012 4:42:28 PM

They should be transferable. Is it through steam? Once you go to download the game, it asks for the certificate code..Batman did.

Hmm so I was suprised with the benchmars. The 670 is still better but the 660ti in some cases is close at least in some games and when overclocked.

I don't get the $300 dollar price wowing anyone though. My 560Ti can play Max payne on High at 1920x1080 without lag..not sure if its very high or high I will need to check.

This screws up my upgrade plan.
a c 291 U Graphics card
August 16, 2012 4:51:49 PM

itomeshi said:
You can run WoW with integrated graphics, yes; but it's less enjoyable for raiding, the tiny bit of PvP I occasionally do, etc. Still, I know what you mean.

On a side note, does anyone know if the Borderlands 2 certificates are transferrable? I've already pre-ordered it, but I know my brother would enjoy BL2. Either way I go, it would make waiting worth it.


Sure, you can register the card with your brother's steam account.
a b U Graphics card
August 16, 2012 5:00:15 PM

The 670 and 660Ti are close looking at those scores. 670 performs better at higher resolution where the 660Ti starts to drop fps at 1920 at higher quality modes. Comparing the 560Ti to a 670 by looking at the marks, yes that is a performance upgrade (by the numbers at least not by my vision).
a b U Graphics card
August 16, 2012 5:04:04 PM

I'm not sure how successful the 660Ti is going to be now. It's gonna come down to the price wither or not people are going to buy it instead of a 670 or not. When your already spending that much on a card though, unless it's like $75 less, people will go for the 670 instead.
a b U Graphics card
August 16, 2012 5:42:58 PM

mace200200 said:
I'm not sure how successful the 660Ti is going to be now. It's gonna come down to the price wither or not people are going to buy it instead of a 670 or not. When your already spending that much on a card though, unless it's like $75 less, people will go for the 670 instead.


Exactly. Say there are 4 or 5 different versions each starting at 299.99 and going up to 350.00, most people will spend the extra 50 and go for a FTW 670 or Asus TOP model. Hell in that pricing scheme I may as well by a bigger case and go with the 680 just for shits.
August 16, 2012 6:57:25 PM



Excellent link. I didn't know Anandtech had that comparison tool.

I actually compared http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/647?vs=598 - ie, the 660Ti vs. the 670. And it told me what I really wanted to know: At 2560x1600, you are largely still PLAYABLE with the 660Ti, but you're not hitting 60. Batman Arkham City at max settings is one of the most stark examples of this: 47 FPS on the 660Ti vs. 60 on the 670.

Given that I actually have a monitor that can support that high resolution (and, at 27", 1920x1080 may actually be notable at that resolution), I'm really leaning towards the 670.
a b U Graphics card
August 16, 2012 7:06:22 PM

22" is 1920x1080 right? I saw the same results, at higher resolutions, the 660Ti still can perform to make the games playable but they will benefit more from the 670 since it won't have to be strained.
August 16, 2012 7:09:38 PM

selayan said:
Exactly. Say there are 4 or 5 different versions each starting at 299.99 and going up to 350.00, most people will spend the extra 50 and go for a FTW 670 or Asus TOP model. Hell in that pricing scheme I may as well by a bigger case and go with the 680 just for shits.


Yeah - on the one hand, the MSI PE 660Ti for $310 (after $10 MIR) is really tempting. On the other hand, for $120 more, I can get the MSI PE 670.

Do I think I could buy the 660Ti and be happy today? Yes. I think it would be suitable for WoW, etc. Do I think I would be happy with the 660Ti next year? I'm not so sure. If I'm going to spend $300, $400 for some protection against obsolescence would be nice.

Having read the Anandtech review on the 660Ti, specifically the page on noise and temperature, I'm not impressed by EVGA's single-fan 'blower' design. The Tom's Review Noise/temp page makes the MSI Twin Frozrs look pretty good. Too bad there is no apples-to-apples comparison, but this does mirror articles I've seen elsewhere about the EVGA design.

I really think the Tom's conclusion page sums it up with that relative average FPS chart. The 670 is about 20% more FPS than the 660Ti for $100 more. Is that a decent tradeoff for me? That's a question to think about, but it's at least a simple, answerable one.
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