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February 19, 2013 9:33:41 PM

Hi friends

This is me and i am here with my very strange problem.
I had AMD ATHLON II x4 635 and i was using it with my DDR-2 2GB ram and i was sort of satisfied with that. When i heard that AMD has his latest series of cpu's is out i instantly went to the market and bought this bulldozer fx4100 and kept it in my cupboard for future use.
Just yesterday i thought maybe this is the time when i should start using it. Since i don't have any hi fi sort of system with me i am kind of happy with this. and even athlon 2 x4 was also able to fulfill my basic requirements. Now here's the problem. When i had this installed and everything was ready i sort of thought of installing my good ole os win xp sp3 on my system and more than thrice it went off i mean it just stopped and restarted automatically(weird huh?) then somehow i managed to install my xp on it and i thought maybe i am through with this but to my shock no, i wasnt through. now i had another problem to face and that was while installing my mobo's drivers it again went off for more than 5times :fou:  Man i was like wtf :sweat: 
Somehow i managed to get that done also but now another problem rose up while playing game it again restarted for more than 5 or 6times which mad me go crazy. now here's the deal is it my cpu which has gone wrong? or my mobo(its brand new) or my ram? please tell me where the hell is this problem hiding? i updated my bios also i mean my mobo's ofcourse and did everything which is done by someone who has this basic knowledge of troubleshooting but still this problem persists. now let me elaborate a bit more. while playing fear3 i am not at all getting any restarts i am playing it on ultra settings with everything high and believe me no restarts and easily getting 60+ frames and now on the other hand while playing skyrim(ultra settings) i am getting 40-60+ frames but after spending 15 or more minutes system shuts down automatically. WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY???? and to make it run again i need to turn off the ups which i have and have to wait for more than 10-15secs then only i am able to start it. :(  :(  :(  :(  :(  :(  :(  PLEASE HELP.
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February 19, 2013 9:44:12 PM

Check your heatsink make sure you are not overheating. If the heatsink on the CPU is not making good contact would cause your system to shut down so it dont fry itself.
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February 19, 2013 9:51:51 PM

There is no way i can overheat my system.
My cpu runs pretty cool nothing more than 50 degrees and my gpu never goes beyond 69 degrees. now tell me where is the fault. :( 
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February 19, 2013 9:54:15 PM

If it won't let you turn itself back on immediately, that's very likely a thermal shutdown. It won't let you turn it back on because it is waiting for the temps to drop.
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February 19, 2013 9:54:48 PM

I have my Athlon with me i haven't sold it yet i mean i have buyers but i am just not letting it go after seeing the situation. :(  :(  and i would not like to roll back to my old system since i had made up my mind to use it. :(  just for this stupid processor i gave up on 1100T(OEM) and now see i ended up here with sort of nothing :( 
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February 19, 2013 9:56:31 PM

twelve25 said:
If it won't let you turn itself back on immediately, that's very likely a thermal shutdown. It won't let you turn it back on because it is waiting for the temps to drop.


I am not arguing with you here but it's kinda unbelievable that within 10-15secs the temp would go low. :sweat: 
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February 19, 2013 9:57:48 PM

I mean anything is possible since i am not a tech guy and never did anything or specialised in this field so it'll be better for me to not to utter a word. :( 

..and the funny part is why skyrim only why not the other games???
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February 19, 2013 10:01:50 PM

With a heatsink attached, it should cool down very quickly. I would suspect you have SOME cooling, just not nearly enough.
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February 19, 2013 10:30:11 PM

twelve25 said:
With a heatsink attached, it should cool down very quickly. I would suspect you have SOME cooling, just not nearly enough.


I don't know as far as i know these fx cpus i guess they're cooler than my old athlon ii x4 635 processor its only the mobo and the cpu only which i have changed oops ex cuse me and my ram too and one more thing if its a heating problem while playing skyrim then why not with fear 3??? while posting this msg i was playing fear 3 and just now stopped playing it. dont you think thats a little weird?? :o 
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February 19, 2013 11:01:16 PM

asiarules said:
I don't know as far as i know these fx cpus i guess they're cooler than my old athlon ii x4 635 processor its only the mobo and the cpu only which i have changed oops ex cuse me and my ram too and one more thing if its a heating problem while playing skyrim then why not with fear 3??? while posting this msg i was playing fear 3 and just now stopped playing it. dont you think thats a little weird?? :o 



oops ex cuse me and my ram too


What were you using and what did you upgrade to in your first post you said ddr2 what make is the m/b ?
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February 19, 2013 11:06:27 PM

tourist said:
oops ex cuse me and my ram too


What were you using and what did you upgrade to in your first post you said ddr2 what make is the m/b ?


This is what i used to have :- Athlon II x4 635 2.9ghz(stock) ddr-2 2gb(i still have these but i am not using it anymore)

and this what i have now :- Bulldozer Fx 4100 x4 3.6ghz(stock) ddr-5 4gb

i haven't changed my gpu which is 4870 1gb





Hardware configuration :
AMD Fx 4100 3.6Ghz(Stock)
4GB Ram Simmtronics DDR-3 1333MHZ
Powercolor AMD Radeon HD 4870 DDR5 1GB
Mobo: MSI 760GM P21
Screen Resolution:- 1280x1024 (Samsung SyncMaster 753s)
Os: Windows Xp sp3
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February 20, 2013 12:14:40 AM

Would have to agree with the others sounds like a overheating issue. Did u use the cpu cooler that came with the fx 4100? or reuse the one from the athlon? If u reused, u will need to reapply thermal paste, or use the reapplied paste that came with the fx 4100 cooler and use that cooler

Did i see that u got rid of an x6 1100t? or list the option to get one?
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February 20, 2013 12:21:29 AM

Ok so new cpu, new ram and new motherboard ?

have you checked for a bios update ?

The 4870 does throw off some heat and could be heating up your north bridge, check that right after pc boots and then again when your gaming. careful it may be hot.
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February 20, 2013 12:29:00 AM

Have you checked your gpu temps ?

4870's are notorious for overheating
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February 20, 2013 5:54:30 AM

lazyboy947 said:
Would have to agree with the others sounds like a overheating issue. Did u use the cpu cooler that came with the fx 4100? or reuse the one from the athlon? If u reused, u will need to reapply thermal paste, or use the reapplied paste that came with the fx 4100 cooler and use that cooler

Did i see that u got rid of an x6 1100t? or list the option to get one?


Do you mean the heatsink and the stock cooler/fan?
If that's what you're talking about then yes i have them installed already on my mobo. nope there's no paste in the box? have i got cheated or something? Does this mean this 4100 is a hot cpu? does this throw too much heat while on load? :o  :o  :o  :o 

1100t??? nope never had one. well the fan and the heatsink which came with my bulldozer is better than the one which i had gotten with my athlon.
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February 20, 2013 6:11:29 AM

EDIT: I need to really stop speed reading

See if you can run some monitoring apps like specy on the side with a windowed skyrim and see what your temps are (it should show gpu, cpu and mb all on the main page)
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February 20, 2013 6:48:07 AM

stickmansam said:
EDIT: I need to really stop speed reading

See if you can run some monitoring apps like specy on the side with a windowed skyrim and see what your temps are (it should show gpu, cpu and mb all on the main page)


Well i just tried playing this game on windowed mode and guess what it didn't shut my computer this time. and i had this gpuz running in the background and the maximum temp. which i had was 48 degrees(celcius)

but i guess if i am to play it fullscreen it will shut down again. let me check again and let you know.
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February 20, 2013 7:33:29 AM

^ hmm windowed probably places a lot more stress on the parts or maybe a driver fault?

maybe have gouz in background, hop into skyrim for 5-10 min and then see temps before it crahses (since crashing occurs 15ish min ine) running coreyemp can show cpu temps as well
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February 20, 2013 9:23:17 AM

stickmansam said:
^ hmm windowed probably places a lot more stress on the parts or maybe a driver fault?

maybe have gouz in background, hop into skyrim for 5-10 min and then see temps before it crahses (since crashing occurs 15ish min ine) running coreyemp can show cpu temps as well


Okay i will do that as well, but at the moment i am at work let me get back home first. :-/
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February 20, 2013 1:23:09 PM

You DID update to the latest BIOS, right? The default BIOS for that motherboard doesn't support BD...
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February 20, 2013 2:13:34 PM

asiarules said:
Do you mean the heatsink and the stock cooler/fan?
If that's what you're talking about then yes i have them installed already on my mobo. nope there's no paste in the box? have i got cheated or something? Does this mean this 4100 is a hot cpu? does this throw too much heat while on load? :o  :o  :o  :o 

1100t??? nope never had one. well the fan and the heatsink which came with my bulldozer is better than the one which i had gotten with my athlon.


The thermal paste is pre-applied to the stock cooler.
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February 20, 2013 4:59:23 PM

Yeah something white was there but i scratched it off and made my heatsink look better :p 


New Problem:- I just removed my 4870 and inserted my another gpu ( MSI R5830 twin forzr ii) but here again i am facing problem the whole screen's got green tint, i mean white isn't white anymore its green tinted screen now. :( 

i tried pulling it out and putting it back to the slot but nothing seems to work.

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February 20, 2013 5:01:04 PM

gamerk316 said:
You DID update to the latest BIOS, right? The default BIOS for that motherboard doesn't support BD...


Bios:- V17.13
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February 20, 2013 5:30:47 PM

Ignore my post related to 5830. I just fixed the problem. the adapter was a bit lose now it has been fixed :) 
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February 20, 2013 5:52:38 PM

asiarules said:
Yeah something white was there but i scratched it off and made my heatsink look better :p 



Almost had a heart attack until I realized you were joking :p 
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February 20, 2013 5:55:05 PM

stickmansam said:
Almost had a heart attack until I realized you were joking :p 


No man, i was serious :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry: 
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February 21, 2013 12:44:56 AM

^ Well, I think we found the problem then. You're going to need some thermal paste.
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February 21, 2013 2:41:39 AM

the stock heat sink paste is not white rather grey and is pre-applied on the HSF bottom in the form of a small square/round patch. It's gooey stuff and if that's the stuff that you scratched off then only you have a problem.
stock thermal paste: http://www.pcstats.com/articleimages/201206/installAM3H...

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February 21, 2013 7:36:25 AM

satyamdubey said:
the stock heat sink paste is not white rather grey and is pre-applied on the HSF bottom in the form of a small square/round patch. It's gooey stuff and if that's the stuff that you scratched off then only you have a problem.
stock thermal paste: http://www.pcstats.com/articleimages/201206/installAM3H...


Well the thing that you're talking about my hsf bottom isnt gray in color, its sort of reddish golden. its round in shape and looks exactly the same as this thing which is in this pic. note:- my hsf is a lot heavier than my athlon ii x635(sold it yesterday :D  :D  )
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February 21, 2013 7:38:26 AM

anxiousinfusion said:
^ Well, I think we found the problem then. You're going to need some thermal paste.



No my friend this is not what was giving me trouble. it was actually my 4870. How i figured it out? well when i inserted my R5830 on my mobo and played few games then only i realised it. but thanks everyone that almost everyone was participating to rectify my this crazy weird problem. and i am glad that people they did. :) 
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February 21, 2013 8:09:48 AM

I still think you should put some heatsink paste on the cpu/heatsink
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February 21, 2013 8:36:54 AM

+1 for Sam. I too think that if you can see all copper on the HSF bottom, chances are you do not have the thermal paste.
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February 21, 2013 9:58:58 AM

Okay i get it thanks!!
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February 21, 2013 2:11:44 PM

I have a gut feeling that he's not going to apply thermal paste...
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February 21, 2013 3:46:52 PM

anxiousinfusion said:
I have a gut feeling that he's not going to apply thermal paste...


Lol neh it isnt like that, i will surely apply this so called paste. :D 
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February 21, 2013 9:33:31 PM

Best answer selected by asiarules.
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February 22, 2013 11:22:53 PM

Many thanks for the best answer vote but i do not think some here get your humor. I would start thinking about lowering my power/heat profile Something caused the 4870 to go bad. with new cpu/ram/mb it might be a good time to analyze your case airflow. It is something even veteran pc builders sometimes overlook.
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February 23, 2013 12:11:51 PM

tourist said:
Many thanks for the best answer vote but i do not think some here get your humor. I would start thinking about lowering my power/heat profile Something caused the 4870 to go bad. with new cpu/ram/mb it might be a good time to analyze your case airflow. It is something even veteran pc builders sometimes overlook.


LOL :whistle:  :whistle:  @my humour.

I understand thanks thats why i applied this thermal paste on my cpu and as per cpu z and gpu z now there's no heating problem.
By the way i just sold my 4870 so its no more with me. and by tomorrow i'll be off my r5830.
i am just gonna be left with my 6850 only.
but its for good you see. :bounce:  :bounce: 

thanks again chao!! :hello:  :hello: 
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