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[Help/Opinion] Near Top of the Line, But is it Necessary?

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October 7, 2012 2:40:54 PM

Hi everyone, I believe this is my first or second post ever so I apologize if this is not in the right area! I've found that Tom's Hardware is one of the best sources for information on building computers, so as I near the building of my newest computer I thought I might as well ask the community for some help!

For some background, I have built multiple computers before so I would like to believe I at least have the basics down. However, this time around I am building almost without a budget. The very most I would spend on this would be about $1500, and at the moment I seem to be hovering around the $1300 mark with some current deals.

I am an avid gamer, from small sprite indie games that almost anything can run to the newest, shiniest games such as Battle Field 3 that require a bit more heft. The computer I'm looking to build should last me a good four or five years at the least, perhaps with a graphics card upgrade somewhere in there if a new direct x pops up.

I personally use NewEgg since it seems easiest and has pretty good prices, but please tell me if there is somewhere else I should be going. Without further rambling, I will now attempt to put links down that will help in the analysis process!




My Question:
I'm going for all high end, but is anything unnecessary? Also, if I am going high end am I skimping on anything in particular? And then just general 'Did I do this right?' kind of feedback would be very appreciated.





NewEgg Public List:
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx...




And in case that didn't work, here are individual links!

Case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Motherboard: (This is one area I am very unsure of)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Graphics Card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Power Supply:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


CPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Hard Drive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Thank you all for your help!

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October 7, 2012 3:17:25 PM

Unless you you are planning to do some serious Photo/Video Editing the i7 3770K is unnecessary. Go with a i5 3570K and OC it. Also 8GB Ram is plenty for gaming. With what you save on those two items you might want to consider adding an optical drive. With a build like this I woud go with a nice Blu-ray writer. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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October 7, 2012 3:28:31 PM

get this
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jBee

-great deal on the cooler
-you dont need a i7 and 16gb for gaming
-the ftw 670 is overrated
-id personally go with a capstone over the fortress since it is modular and made by superflower which is just as good as seasonic

October 7, 2012 3:39:44 PM

Your build will work, but I think you can make some changes and keep to your budget.

1) Few games can use more than 2 or 3 cores. That makes the extra hyperthreads on the 3770K largely useless.
Buy a 3570K instead and use the $100 saved elsewhere.

2) No game I know of can use more than 2-3gb by itself. 8gb is plenty. buy a 8gb kit of 2 x 4gb of DDR3 1600 low profile ram.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

3) You buy a "K" to do a bit of overclocking. Add a $30 cm hyper212 aftermarket cooler.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

4) The motherboard is fine. Actually, any Z77 based motherboard will do the job.

5) The GTX670 only needs a quality 500w psu. 750w is only needed if you are planning on sli, and I don't recommend that.
Here is an equally good 750W pC P&C psu for less:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

6) Any build with your budget should include a SSD for windows and some games. 120gb is a very good starter size, but since SSD prices have dropped, I recommend a 180gb or 240gb ssd instead of a large hard drive. That will hold many games, and you can always add a hard drive later for storage.
For quality, buy only Samsung or Intel.
Here is a Intel 330 180gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

----good luck----------
October 7, 2012 3:56:36 PM

Wow, thanks for all your incredibly quick responses! They have all been very helpful and especially geofelt, as you answered other questions I had already been about to ask the others!

However, I do happen to have at least one left!

To my understanding, SLI is not very useful for gaming due to the fact that by the time you need to upgrade, if you have a card good enough to start, there will be a new card you will need for a new direct X version or something rather than just more power?

On the same note, the GTX 670 has one of the best benchmarks, is one of the newest models, but is not the most expensive compared to its counterparts in the same series. I assume this would be one area I spend extra cash just to be sure I keep up with the times for as long as possible?

Thank you all again for all your help!
October 7, 2012 4:15:42 PM

SniperGuyy said:
Wow, thanks for all your incredibly quick responses! They have all been very helpful and especially geofelt, as you answered other questions I had already been about to ask the others!

However, I do happen to have at least one left!

To my understanding, SLI is not very useful for gaming due to the fact that by the time you need to upgrade, if you have a card good enough to start, there will be a new card you will need for a new direct X version or something rather than just more power?

On the same note, the GTX 670 has one of the best benchmarks, is one of the newest models, but is not the most expensive compared to its counterparts in the same series. I assume this would be one area I spend extra cash just to be sure I keep up with the times for as long as possible?

Thank you all again for all your help!


Here is my canned rant on cf/sli:

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Dual graphics cards vs. a good single card.

a) How good do you really need to be?
A single GTX560 or 6870 can give you great performance at 1920 x 1200 in most games.

A single GTX560ti or 6950 will give you excellent performance at 1920 x 1200 in most games.
Even 2560 x 1600 will be good with lowered detail.
A single gtx690 is about as good as it gets.

Only if you are looking at triple monitor gaming, then sli/cf will be needed.
Even that is now changing with triple monitor support on top end cards.

b) The costs for a single card are lower.
You require a less expensive motherboard; no need for sli/cf or multiple pci-e slots.
Even a ITX motherboard will do.

Your psu costs are less.
A GTX560ti needs a 450w psu, even a GTX580 only needs a 600w psu.
When you add another card to the mix, plan on adding 150-200w to your psu requirements.
A single more modern 28nm card like a 7970 or GTX680 needs only 550W.
Even the strongest GTX690 only needs 650w.

Case cooling becomes more of an issue with dual cards.
That means a more expensive case with more and stronger fans.
You will also look at more noise.

c) Dual cards do not always render their half of the display in sync, causing microstuttering. It is an annoying effect.
The benefit of higher benchmark fps can be offset, particularly with lower tier cards.
Read this: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stut...

d) dual card support is dependent on the driver. Not all games can benefit from dual cards.

e) cf/sli up front reduces your option to get another card for an upgrade. Not that I suggest you plan for that.
It will often be the case that replacing your current card with a newer gen card will offer a better upgrade path.
The GTX780 and amd 8000 series are not that far off.
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I would not worry too much about directX generations. Game developers want the largest possible audience and will always offer support for most older cards.

If you have an extra $100 in your budget, and $100 is not that important to you, you could use it for a GTX680. The graphics card is the most important component for gaming. But, you do not get much more for your dollar with the GTX680.
I happen to like the EVGA GTX670 FTW you picked. Not so much for the performance as for the direct exhaust cooler.
Many oem card makers put on fancy cooler fans that dump heat back into the case. I don't much like that. The newer 28nm based cards run cool and really don't need that. I se it as mostly marketing.
October 7, 2012 4:35:58 PM

That makes a ton of sense! That means I don't need the biggest or best motherboard either, but I still want to be sure I get one that does at least well enough for what I want.

After a bit of searching I've come up with this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Also this for the memory:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Along with a new question! Does the timing between RAM matter all that much?



Here is the updated list, still looking at possible power supplies around 550W

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx...
October 7, 2012 4:53:14 PM

biostar in my opinion isnt a great company. if they cant figure out proper spacing of their IO (the usb3 header location is just sad), they cant build a proper motherboard.

go look at my recommendation
October 7, 2012 4:53:44 PM

SniperGuyy said:
That makes a ton of sense! That means I don't need the biggest or best motherboard either, but I still want to be sure I get one that does at least well enough for what I want.

After a bit of searching I've come up with this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Also this for the memory:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Along with a new question! Does the timing between RAM matter all that much?



Here is the updated list, still looking at possible power supplies around 550W

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx...


From a functional point of view, any Z77 based motherboard will work for you.
I have not used Biostar, but I see no reason not to.
I have used ASUS, Gigabyte, Asrock, ECS without an issue.

On the ram, I would buy the ARES low profile version. It will not obstruct any aftermarket cooler.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Ram speed or timing does not matter hardly at all with ivy or sandy bridge.
Read this: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4503/sandy-bridge-memory-...

Here is a good PC P&C 600w modular psu. (white to match your case too)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
October 7, 2012 5:20:56 PM

geofelt said:
From a functional point of view, any Z77 based motherboard will work for you.
I have not used Biostar, but I see no reason not to.
I have used ASUS, Gigabyte, Asrock, ECS without an issue.

On the ram, I would buy the ARES low profile version. It will not obstruct any aftermarket cooler.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Ram speed or timing does not matter hardly at all with ivy or sandy bridge.
Read this: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4503/sandy-bridge-memory-...

Here is a good PC P&C 600w modular psu. (white to match your case too)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...




Ooo, very nice! I can hardly thank you enough! The lower profile version looks much nicer too, and I am a bit of a sucker for slick and shiny components. The PSU is also a great match aesthetically as well!

I'm still mulling a few things over, such as a more in-depth look at my motherboard, but it looks like I'm getting pretty close to finalizing it!
October 7, 2012 5:48:02 PM

Alright, I've decided to keep the BioStar motherboard, as it seems to be just as good as anything else I've looked at in the $100 range.

My last and final question! (Possibly!)

This was mentioned:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


How important is this as opposed to using the stock model? Will the original model not be able to handle any overclocking? And if it is not recommended, do you believe that overclocking is even necessary?
October 7, 2012 6:05:25 PM

the hyper 212 evo is cheaper than the plus at us.ncix.com
October 7, 2012 6:12:03 PM

cbag said:
This MSI 670 could save you 80 bucks - still a 670.

use promo code HARDOCP1XX2G then rebate

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?SID=phw_QhCp...



Ah, that would be amazing but unfortunately I can't afford to purchase it right now, most likely this week or the next so I'll be out of luck for the limited time offer. Thanks so much though!
October 7, 2012 6:14:36 PM

SniperGuyy said:
Alright, I've decided to keep the BioStar motherboard, as it seems to be just as good as anything else I've looked at in the $100 range.

My last and final question! (Possibly!)

This was mentioned:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


How important is this as opposed to using the stock model? Will the original model not be able to handle any overclocking? And if it is not recommended, do you believe that overclocking is even necessary?


The stock Intel cooler will do the job, up to a point. It will allow some level of overclock.

A tower type cooler with a slow turning 120mm fan like the cm hyper212 will cool better and allow a higher overclock.

The intel cooler has a small fan that spins up past 2500rpm under heavy load and can be noisy.


Lastly, the intel pushpin mount can be tricky for the novice to install properly.
The backplate mount on the hyper212 will be easier.
October 9, 2012 11:25:38 PM

Thank you all so much for your help! Once all of the pieces are in stock again I'll be picking it up.

As two minor questions that I'm not terribly concerned about:

1. The new fan mentions being compatible with Sandy Bridge specifically, I'm sure it'll work just fine with Ivy Bridge as well?

2. I've noticed some graphics cards have 2GB and some (the more expensive ones) have 4GB. From what I've read the 4GB is largely unnecessary?
October 9, 2012 11:58:57 PM

4gb is unecessary unless you are running many monitors.

any cooler works with any motherboard as long as it has the correct mounting gear

oh and the hyper 212 isnt that quiet
October 10, 2012 12:21:00 AM

Hm, well I suppose then I could always try and find another, even if it does happen to match the color scheme rather well. Plus it's out of stock anyway, and once I have the cash in hand to buy it I'm going to!
October 10, 2012 12:40:22 AM

which one is the other? got lost finding it.

the fortress is great but all you really need is a xfx 550w that sells for 49.99 at us.ncix.com
October 10, 2012 12:50:19 AM

This was the other one recommended to me:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It's rather nice, but it looks like the fortress one just beats it hands down other than in the looks department.

Also I did some research and it sounds like the Hyper 212 is actually fairly quiet, not to mention the fact that I'll have multiple other fans humming away.



As for price, I have always been told not to get a cheap power supply since it is such a vital piece of the puzzle, not to mention the fact that if something goes wrong it can fry everything you have. Perhaps that's just marketing or paranoia however.
October 12, 2012 3:03:28 AM

Order placed! Thank you all again for all your help! Especially geofelt for his incredibly detailed and helpful answers to my numerous questions!

I'm not sure if there is a way to close this thread or not, but this should be the last message here for obvious reasons!
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