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October 7, 2012 4:43:56 PM

Hello to all,

I actually have:

Power source:630W supersilent
M.BOARD: ASUS S775 P5K + gigalan Intel P35
Front side bus 1333 Mhz
CPU:INTEL Q6600 CORE 2 QUAD 3.00Ghz 8Mb DI CACHE - FSB 1066Mhz
VGA: NVIDIA Ge Force 8800GTX 1Gb
RAM 2Gb DDR2 833Mhz in dual channel
HARD DISK MAXTOR DIAMOND 10 160Gb SATA2 3.00Gb/sec

with XP and FS9 plus add on I get up to 20/30 frames..
But I had the idea to have 3 monitors...so I got:
3 monitors samsung Syncmaster 214T 4/3
Trilplehead2go digital edition

And i get form 5/10 frames...with resolution 5040x1050
This is very annoying...

I guess i have to change my hardware and go for a new pc...especially if I want to fly FSX...
What about this:


cpu: I5 2500k
Mother board: Msi Z77 gd55
RAM: g-skill DDR3 Dimm Dual chanel ,con voltaggio 1.500 V -1.575 V , da 8 Gb or...
corsair low profile 8gb 1600mhz cl9
VGA: VGA Zotac NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 Core 928/1006MHz Memory GDDR5 6008MHz 4GB DVI HDMI DP or...
2 x gtx560/650/660
Cooler:Noctua NH D14 (775/1155/1156/1366/AMD/AM2/AM2*+/AM3/AM3+/FM1 or...
Cooler Master Hyper 412S or...
Zalman CNPS 9900 MAX or...
Power Source: CORSAIR ALIMENTATORE TX850M 80 850W
case: Zalman pc z9 or...
COOLER MASTER HAF 932 or...
Zalman Z11

I beg your help...
:o 
Please note they suggested me 2 VGA in SLI instead of 1 VGA due to the triplehead2go...wich is best?????

Thanx a lot...
October 7, 2012 4:55:59 PM

i really dont see the point of triple monitors since it lowers performance, takes a ton of room, and costs a fair bit to set up. but ok ill provide

this is much better
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jBDU

if you find out 1 7970 is not enough for 3 screens, simply add another. 7970s are much better at multi-monitor than 670s
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October 7, 2012 5:07:20 PM

i dont see the point of extra vram when it costs well over 200 dollars more and that his triple monitor resolution is smaller than 5760x1080p
October 7, 2012 5:12:38 PM

The most important component for FSX performance is the cpu. If you can afford it, a 3770K will be the best, otherwise use a 3570K, and plan on a mild OC to 4.3 or so.

To OC better, use a good aftermarket cpu cooler. The Noctua NH-D14 is as good as it gets. Phanteks is also about as good.
Even a cm hyper212 will do most of the job.

It turns out that the graphics card is only 25% of the FSX performance, and sli is actually detrimental. It would seem like your GTX670 pick is spot on, while sli GTX cards is not.

8gb of ram is good.
Here is one site that analyzes this:
http://www.jetlinesystems.com/performance.php
October 7, 2012 5:17:38 PM

Well I would like to achieve a better resolution having a good machine...and good frame rates for FSX.
So the best is having a single VGA as SAPPHIRE Vapor-X 100351-6GVXSR Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 6GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP instead of 2 VGA as GTX560?
October 7, 2012 5:20:27 PM

Thanx Geofelt...so U would go for a single GTX670?
October 7, 2012 5:21:14 PM

a single more powerful card is always better than 2 smaller cards. and for the video card id still not recommend getting a 6gb 7970
October 7, 2012 5:24:20 PM

So Big TRoll what would you recommend?
Please..
October 7, 2012 5:25:42 PM

look at my recommendation
October 7, 2012 5:29:40 PM

ok..thanx BigTroll...the system u suggested me is more powerful than the one I posted I suppose... ;o)
That's what they suggested me some friends...
October 7, 2012 5:34:13 PM

the 7970 i suggested isnt quite as good as the sapphire 7970 6gb but it is a hell of a ton cheaper for the same chip
October 7, 2012 5:37:23 PM

flywithme said:
Thanx Geofelt...so U would go for a single GTX670?


Short answer: yes.

The GTX670 is somewhat comparable in performance to a 7970.
A factory overclocked GTX670 comes very close to a GTX680, which is as good as it can get for FSX.
If the extra $100 is not that important to you, and you want the very best get a GTX680, but realize that the extra $100 does not buy that much incremental graphics performance.
Buying extra vram also is not usually worth the price

Once you have that 3770K and the ability to give it a conservative Overclock, you have determined most of your FSX performance.
There are other things you can do, but you will be better served by consulting some FSX specfic forums.
Posters here are more likely to be fast action gamers.
October 7, 2012 6:28:30 PM

I would recommend a GTx 680 if there was one with more than 3gb of Vram. More monitors=more Vram required.
October 7, 2012 6:32:16 PM

there is but a 7970 is a better option for multi-monitor.
October 7, 2012 9:00:31 PM

ok guys so now I must understand if it's wort a GTX680 or a 7970 for my multiple monitor (3) and a resolution of at least 5040x1050...seems some of you prefere one to the other...
October 7, 2012 10:10:38 PM

get a 7970. more memory and larger memory bus helps. not to mention eyefinity technology is much more advanced than nvidia surround
October 8, 2012 7:55:59 PM

Hello BigTroll,
lokking at the link "http://www.jetlinesystems.com/performance.php"
the reccomand
Nvidia VGA and 8 GB DDR3 SDRAM @ 1866MHz (CL9)...
I will buy the components here in Italy...
can u please help me with the following since there are several types of the same model...
VGA:
http://www.taocomputer.it/shop2007/cerca_catalogo.asp?q...
Power supply:
http://www.taocomputer.it/shop2007/cerca_catalogo.asp?q...
RAM:
http://www.taocomputer.it/shop2007/cerca_catalogo.asp?q...
MB:
http://www.taocomputer.it/shop2007/cerca_catalogo.asp?q...

the case r4 looks nice...but the noise shield wouldn't block the air for the fans?
October 8, 2012 8:39:40 PM

get regular 1600mhz ram. and dont get corsair dominator since they dont perform any better. stick with cheaper ram from gskill

get a xfx 7970
http://www.taocomputer.it/shop2007/scheda.asp?id=24140


the 7970 performs better. if the 670 is cheaper and using a custom cooler (more than one fan), then id get it
October 8, 2012 8:43:46 PM

thanx BT, for the suggestion on the link for the best vga...

Can u give me the links also of the other components please...
October 11, 2012 5:38:05 PM

Ciao BigTroll,
once again thanx for your precius help...
Here should be my allmost final configuration...


- CPU: INTEL CORE i5-3570K 3,4 GHZ 77WATT LGA1155 (dissipatore compreso) 197Euro
- CPU cooler: Noctua NH-U12P SE2 Dissipatore per CPU (500810) 59,36
- Alimentatore: Corsair 750 modulare HX750 (1031077) 131,73
- scheda madre: Mod 1155 Asus P8Z77-V LK (ATX) DDR3 2400 (OC) SATA3 USB3.0 116,00
-memoria: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory CL8 50,00
- scheda video: SVGA ATI XFX HD7970 3GB Dual Fan FX-797A-TDFC (501307) 350,00
- lettore ottico: DVD RW SAMSUNG DVD SAMSUNG SH-222BB/BEBEE SATA BLACK (1030960) 16,73
- HD: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk 90,00
-case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Titanio) ATX Mid 106,90

For a total , at the moment of 1120 Euros...

About the case, what about this iso the R4?
COOLERMASTER - Case Silencio 650

How many fans you think I should have in the case?



October 11, 2012 10:51:22 PM

looks good to me.

the R4 is probably the best silent case out there. the stock fans included is enough to keep things nice and cool
October 12, 2012 12:29:27 AM

Ciao bigtroll, thanx,
Just curious , Why do u prefere R4 to Silencio 650 ?
And what a out Haf 922? :ange: 
October 12, 2012 12:51:34 AM

because the R4 is my favourite case (actually all of the Define series and Arc series from fractal), a good bit over a inch of space in the back for space, very quiet yet has good airflow (not as good as haf cases), and its just awesome

the only coolermaster case i like is the haf xm. nothing else
October 12, 2012 10:29:25 AM

Those are good reasons ;o)....
I wonder, if you close the front pannel...can still the air flow from the front vents to inside (due to lower flow of air will the fans turn faster and be noisy?)?Or the pannel must be open when we "use" the pc?

So by default there should be 2 120mm fans, one in the front, one in the rear...you think these are enough or should I install 2 140mm fans or add a top or a bottom one?
Consider I don't think I will be able to OC... :o (
October 20, 2012 10:31:58 PM

Ciao Big Troll,
still need your help...to complete the order
These are the RAM I may choose from:

DDR3 8GB PC 1866 CL9 G.Skill KIT (2x4GB) 8GAB ARES [F3-1866C9D-8GAB]
or
DDR3 8GB PC 1600 CL7 Vengeance LP (2x4GB) 1,5V [CML4GX 3M1x1600c7]
or
DDR3 8GB PC 1600 CL9 Vengeance white LP (2x4GB) [CML8GX 3M2A1600c9W]
or
DDR3 8GB PC 2000 CL9 CORSAIR (2x4GB) [CMX8GX 3M2A2000c9]
or
DDR3 8GB PC 1866 CL9 CORSAIR (2x4GB) [CMX8GX 3M21866c9]

Please help.... ;o)
October 20, 2012 10:36:16 PM

flywithme said:
Ciao Big Troll,
still need your help...to complete the order
These are the RAM I may choose from:

DDR3 8GB PC 1866 CL9 G.Skill KIT (2x4GB) 8GAB ARES [F3-1866C9D-8GAB]
or
DDR3 8GB PC 1600 CL7 Vengeance LP (2x4GB) 1,5V [CML4GX 3M1x1600c7]
or
DDR3 8GB PC 1600 CL9 Vengeance white LP (2x4GB) [CML8GX 3M2A1600c9W]
or
DDR3 8GB PC 2000 CL9 CORSAIR (2x4GB) [CMX8GX 3M2A2000c9]
or
DDR3 8GB PC 1866 CL9 CORSAIR (2x4GB) [CMX8GX 3M21866c9]

Please help.... ;o)


bolded is the best and fastest and probably most expensive of the lot, but any will work if it runs at 1.5V and is on the supported list of the motherboard you picked. check the mfg list to doublecheck.
October 21, 2012 12:53:51 AM

Ciao Egilbe,
thanx for the reply....what do u mean with "check the mfg list"?
the "DDR3 8GB PC 1600 CL7 Vengeance LP (2x4GB) 1,5V [CML4GX 3M1x1600c7] " cost me 40 Euros each (so 80 in total...)
while the G.Skill will cost me 46,28 Euros in total....
October 21, 2012 2:52:03 AM

flywithme said:
Ciao Egilbe,
thanx for the reply....what do u mean with "check the mfg list"?
the "DDR3 8GB PC 1600 CL7 Vengeance LP (2x4GB) 1,5V [CML4GX 3M1x1600c7] " cost me 40 Euros each (so 80 in total...)
while the G.Skill will cost me 46,28 Euros in total....


motherboard vendors will test ram from different manufacturers to make sure they work with their motherboards without error and they publish the list on the vendors website

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8Z7...

make sure that's the correct motherboard and check the QVL list. You will have to download it. Make sure the memory you are purchasing is on the list.
October 21, 2012 4:36:12 AM

you won't go wrong with either 670 or hd 7970.. on paper 7970 seems better card.. but actually isn't much faster than 670.. so if you decide to buy 670.. go for it.. both cards are very powerful for this generation..

this mobo is a good choice for its price..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
October 21, 2012 12:43:42 PM

DDR3 8GB PC 1600 CL9 Vengeance white LP (2x4GB) [CML8GX 3M2A1600c9W]
maybe these are the best for price and profile....what do you think?
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