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August 17, 2012 3:55:08 PM

I have had a GTX 460 for about a year and a half now, and recently i have re-installed games i used to play eg. Saints Row 3. I used to be able to run this game considerably well but i re-installed it recently and can barely run it, i used to get a constant 50-60 fps but now im lucky to get over 30, i have tried other games aswell skyrim used to run beutifully but now it seems that i have lost about 20 fps, i have no idea what is wrong. My specs are:

Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad CPU Q8400 @ 2.66GHz
RAM: 4.00GB DDR2
GPU: GTX 460 2.3GB


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August 17, 2012 4:05:35 PM

Coud be a driver issue, have you tried updating the drivers?
August 17, 2012 4:36:23 PM

Yeah i have the latest driver 296.10 and i have tried downgrading to a previous version but no difference in performance
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a b U Graphics card
August 17, 2012 4:42:17 PM

and you've changed the video settings in the games to be... not maxed?
August 17, 2012 4:57:25 PM

As the others have said.

As long as nothing has changed between these 2 times (latest/working driver + ALL games settings IDENTICAL) then there shouldn't be a difference (new nvidia drivers won't degrade performance).

- Try completely uninstalling then reinstalling the NVIDIA drivers.

- Check the Processes tab on Task manager and confirm there is nothing hitting the cpu that shouldn't - or wasn't before.
- You might want to check windows resource monitor to zoom into some areas.

- Check both your cpu AND gfx cars benchmark results - make sure that both are performing as they should (cpu-specific and gpu-specific tests).
August 17, 2012 5:25:37 PM

Yeah i will try reinstalling the NVIDIA drivers and i have checked the processes tab while on some games and i shall benchmark my cpu and graphics card later, any other tips because i find this very strange that it is suddenly ver slower than it used to be
August 17, 2012 7:27:10 PM

more ram prob ddr2 not the best ;) 
August 17, 2012 8:19:19 PM

Ok i have done all the things you said apart from the benchmarking because i have no idea what im doing when it comes to that, nothing has worked so far but i have no idea why i am getting such bad performance
a c 172 U Graphics card
August 17, 2012 8:33:06 PM

Try a complete driver wipe including the physx drivers, I had a lot of issues my self until I rolled back. A lot of people who are using older Fermi and vintage cards are having issues with the latest drivers in one way or another (likely to help drive Kepler sales) so newer isn't always better.
August 17, 2012 8:55:06 PM

nforce4max said:
Try a complete driver wipe including the physx drivers, I had a lot of issues my self until I rolled back. A lot of people who are using older Fermi and vintage cards are having issues with the latest drivers in one way or another (likely to help drive Kepler sales) so newer isn't always better.


Yeah i have tried rolling back to previous versions to when i first had this GPU but nothing changed i shall try again now and get back to you
August 17, 2012 9:10:00 PM

Driver problem or CPU bottleneck
August 17, 2012 9:10:59 PM

iliani007 said:
Driver problem or CPU bottleneck


Well it shouldn't be a CPU bottleneck because ive had these specs the whole time i have had my GPU and when i first had it it was running much better than what it is now
a c 191 U Graphics card
August 17, 2012 9:11:21 PM

What are your full system specifications?
August 17, 2012 9:15:41 PM

Deemo13 said:
What are your full system specifications?


Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad CPU Q8400 @ 2.66GHz
RAM: 4.00GB DDR2
GPU: Gigabyte GTX 460 OC edition 2.3GB
OS: Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

I don't know what else to put 0.0
August 17, 2012 9:36:51 PM

nforce4max said:
Try a complete driver wipe including the physx drivers, I had a lot of issues my self until I rolled back. A lot of people who are using older Fermi and vintage cards are having issues with the latest drivers in one way or another (likely to help drive Kepler sales) so newer isn't always better.


Ok i did a full wipe of physx drivers etc. but still no change
a c 172 U Graphics card
August 17, 2012 10:45:44 PM

There has got to be something that was missed or overlooked. Did you wipe the drivers with driver sweeper in safe mode? I had enough with the newer version enough to roll all the way back to 258.96 and it still works with skyrim ect. 27x.xx and 28x.xx sometimes worked but tended to be buggy regardless of what cards that I used. Some of the 29x.xx had some real problems and so there was a lot of posts on the net. The 3xx.xx isn't worth it all except to maybe hope for support for one of the latest released games for Fermi or older cards.
August 17, 2012 11:03:48 PM

nforce4max said:
There has got to be something that was missed or overlooked. Did you wipe the drivers with driver sweeper in safe mode? I had enough with the newer version enough to roll all the way back to 258.96 and it still works with skyrim ect. 27x.xx and 28x.xx sometimes worked but tended to be buggy regardless of what cards that I used. Some of the 29x.xx had some real problems and so there was a lot of posts on the net. The 3xx.xx isn't worth it all except to maybe hope for support for one of the latest released games for Fermi or older cards.


I only wiped them with the add or remove program through control panel, i shall try driver sweeper now
August 17, 2012 11:45:27 PM

nforce4max said:
There has got to be something that was missed or overlooked. Did you wipe the drivers with driver sweeper in safe mode? I had enough with the newer version enough to roll all the way back to 258.96 and it still works with skyrim ect. 27x.xx and 28x.xx sometimes worked but tended to be buggy regardless of what cards that I used. Some of the 29x.xx had some real problems and so there was a lot of posts on the net. The 3xx.xx isn't worth it all except to maybe hope for support for one of the latest released games for Fermi or older cards.


Yeah just finished doing that... still the same fps
a c 172 U Graphics card
August 18, 2012 12:14:23 AM

Then something else must have been changed. Did you change any of the system settings in windows or change any of the bios settings?

Second when you uninstalled the games did you download any new data that would have used up the space prior to reinstalling the games? Last but not least what model is your hard drive? Some drives are pretty slow to begin with but all get much slower as you fill up most of the free space especially for random 4k reads and writes.
August 18, 2012 12:17:11 AM

nforce4max said:
Then something else must have been changed. Did you change any of the system settings in windows or change any of the bios settings?

Second when you uninstalled the games did you download any new data that would have used up the space prior to reinstalling the games? Last but not least what model is your hard drive? Some drives are pretty slow to begin with but all get much slower as you fill up most of the free space especially for random 4k reads and writes.


I don't know the model of my Hard Drive and I don't think I did anything that you mentioned. I have Defragged my Hard Drive and am thinking of installing a fresh version of windows if that may fix the problem?
a c 172 U Graphics card
August 18, 2012 2:49:19 AM

Download auslogics disk defrag and hdtune, if you only defraged your free space and not the actual files then it can hurt the performance even more especially if it only moved the data closer to where the servo data is stored. That is the high performance area of the hard drive and further away the worse the actual performance is. Random 4k read and writes have the greatest impact on day to day performance.
August 18, 2012 3:00:04 AM

nforce4max said:
Download auslogics disk defrag and hdtune, if you only defraged your free space and not the actual files then it can hurt the performance even more especially if it only moved the data closer to where the servo data is stored. That is the high performance area of the hard drive and further away the worse the actual performance is. Random 4k read and writes have the greatest impact on day to day performance.


Ok i will try those now, i was using Defraggler before but have not tried auslogics yet
August 18, 2012 4:52:41 AM

nforce4max said:
Download auslogics disk defrag and hdtune, if you only defraged your free space and not the actual files then it can hurt the performance even more especially if it only moved the data closer to where the servo data is stored. That is the high performance area of the hard drive and further away the worse the actual performance is. Random 4k read and writes have the greatest impact on day to day performance.


Ok found 909 problems in my registary cleaned that, Defragged my Hard Drive and optimized it and now i think it is running at its full potential once again, thank you for all the help :) 
a c 172 U Graphics card
August 18, 2012 12:58:08 PM

OK great glad that worked well :) 
August 18, 2012 8:17:01 PM

nforce4max said:
OK great glad that worked well :) 


Ugh its back to what it was, i thought it was ok but its not, but i think i have discovered the problem. I downloaded msi afterburner and checked my GPU usage when i am playing Saints Row The Third. Turns out it is only at 50% which must be why i am getting bad performance, any tips?
August 18, 2012 8:28:05 PM

Also i ran the nvidia heaven benchmark and my GPU usage is at 99% but every other game that i have tested this on: WoW, Skyrim, Mw2 my usage has been at 50%
a c 172 U Graphics card
August 19, 2012 1:48:16 PM

OK there has to be something software wise that is wrong. If the card was bricked then it wouldn't go full in heaven but then drop down in general games. Wow isn't demanding so low usage is to be expected, skyrim can go low usage but that is dependent on the game settings, Mw2 well I don't play that game so I don't know but it depends on your settings and ress that sometimes will determine the actual load. If there is a software cap somewhere then I don't know what settings that could have been changed to limit gpu load at 50%
August 19, 2012 3:11:19 PM

nforce4max said:
OK there has to be something software wise that is wrong. If the card was bricked then it wouldn't go full in heaven but then drop down in general games. Wow isn't demanding so low usage is to be expected, skyrim can go low usage but that is dependent on the game settings, Mw2 well I don't play that game so I don't know but it depends on your settings and ress that sometimes will determine the actual load. If there is a software cap somewhere then I don't know what settings that could have been changed to limit gpu load at 50%


Well in GTA 4 my GPU usage was 99% when i had like 60 fps in a house but then when i go outside and the fps drops, then the GPU usage drops this is the same with Saints Row The Third
a c 172 U Graphics card
August 19, 2012 5:59:10 PM

Check the temps, that is trotting and that usually only happens when the temps go up to high. Second what is the load on the cpu in some of these games. I already know how gta4 goes.
August 19, 2012 8:12:55 PM

nforce4max said:
Check the temps, that is trotting and that usually only happens when the temps go up to high. Second what is the load on the cpu in some of these games. I already know how gta4 goes.


The temperature for my GPU ingame is 52 and my CPU temperature is practically the same, and erm how do i check my loads?
August 19, 2012 8:49:15 PM

^ It was the new settings could not be saved to the registry
August 19, 2012 8:53:27 PM

^Ignore that woops :p 
a c 172 U Graphics card
August 20, 2012 1:19:52 AM

Just load task manager and then load the game, give it min or two of actual play then exit as quick as you can or ctrl+del with the game running.
August 20, 2012 2:20:27 AM

Right well the CPU usage is practically identical to the GPU usage....
a c 172 U Graphics card
August 22, 2012 12:07:55 AM

Then there is something wrong software wise, do you have a old drive so that you can load windows onto just for testing?
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