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October 11, 2012 12:59:54 AM

]Hey guys! Well, i'm planning to do put a new rig together, however, i'm really worried about buying things and then ending up completely regretting it.

I pretty much want to upgrade everything, except for my Graphic card (260 gtx - i'll wait till Christmas before upgrading)


So my plans so far, i'm not sure about the mainboards. I've only had Asus mainboards so far and i am very satisfied. However, i'll only be purchasing my stuff from peluga.at (don't ask why)

Although overclocking is not my main goal at the moment, i do want a board with with which i can overclock my cpu in the future. Whether i should go for 2 x 16 pci-e slots, i am really not sure about that - tending to no.

My suggestions would have been:
PSU - The one i have right now is an Enermax 87 pro - does it need a replacement? if so which one please (i wanna save on the psu if possible -> list here

CPU: 3.40ghz 3570k i5

Unless someone can give me a good reason to go for an i7 (my primary goal is gaming but from what i've read so far an i7 won't make any world differences in terms of gaming)

more cpus to choose from here: http://peluga.at/index.php?action=57&kakat=I55 (of course, only if someone suggests otherwise)

Then i want new ram sticks, would 16 gb be a bit of an over kill? I do want to future proof this new rig

I'm not sure whether to go for Corsair vengance black or the kingston hyper x blu, what would you guys suggest (difference being about 10 euros)

Now finally, the one that i can't get out of my mind, the mainboard!
Honestly, i've had mainly only Asus mainboards throughout my life - i must say they've got my respect and i would love to get another one, it's just that i noticed they are a bit more expensive? Never the less, if the mainboard below is worth it i wouldn't think twice, but i'm here to ask the experienced.

So i was thinking about this: ASUS P8Z77-V LX, Z77 (dual PC3-12800U DDR3) (90-MIBHT0-G0EAY0VZ)

there are more mainboards here http://peluga.at/index.php?action=57&kakat=INT1155
i was thinking about the gigabyte: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H, Z77 (dual PC3-12800U DDR3)

What do you guys think so far? With all those added up it's around 550 euros.

I'm willing to lash out around 550 euros for now, these stuff added together - along with a new screen that i'm planning to buy would set the price at around 528 euros (if i'm not mistaken)

The screen: I'm just going to decide between two, one being an Acer

and the other being an Asus , both similarly priced

Now screens i'm even less experienced than with mainboards - haha! I thank you guys in advance. Already excited to see what you guys have to say :-)

Shadeh

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October 11, 2012 1:30:41 AM

I'll tell you right now that 8GB or RAM is more than enough, and 4GB is the most anyone really needs. So save a few bucks and just get 8GB. And if you really don't plan on overclocking, just grab a i5 3450 or 3550 and save some more.
October 11, 2012 6:44:39 AM

Your power supply is very good. See what buying a good power supply the first time does?

There's no reason for an i7 in terms of gaming, you are correct there.

If you do not want to overclock, there is no need for the "K" processor, as stated above. You would be fine with an i5-3450 and a cheaper motherboard with a H77 chipset. That'll save you alot of money for the same performance.

http://peluga.at/index.php?action=78&ARANUMMER=20355

http://peluga.at/index.php?action=78&ARANUMMER=20360

You don't even need an aftermarket fan for that one.

Keep your power supply for sure though. Its a very good unit.
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October 11, 2012 7:22:14 AM

He said he's not overclocking outright, but he wants the option open.

Anyway, @topic
How much does that PSU cost exactly? It looks okay but I can see you're on a tight budget and a Gold certification usually means it's more expensive than Bronze ones.

ASUS boards are great, and yes they are overpriced. Just buy a z77 one from Gigabyte or ASRock. They all have great quality.
You need to decide though if you're gonna SLI/Crossfire or not since that will determine what motherboard you'll need.

W/o SLI/Crossfire
http://peluga.at/index.php?action=78&ARANUMMER=20349
http://peluga.at/index.php?action=78&ARANUMMER=20385

W/ SLI/Crossfire
http://peluga.at/index.php?action=78&ARANUMMER=20359
http://peluga.at/index.php?action=78&ARANUMMER=20335

The i5-3570K is all you will ever need. Don't bother with an i7 unless you're doing workloads that call for hyperthreading.

No, you don't need more than 8gb of RAM for gaming, and since you also want to overclock in the future, you'll probably install a cooler so you need low profile RAM. Don't get the Kingston. I didn't check the link cause it leads to nowhere, but most of their RAM run on 1.65v which voids Intel warranty.

Get this instead,
http://peluga.at/index.php?action=78&ARANUMMER=20059
October 11, 2012 7:38:15 AM

excella1221 said:
He said he's not overclocking outright, but he wants the option open.

How much does that PSU cost exactly? It looks okay but I can see you're on a tight budget and a Gold certification usually means it's more expensive than Bronze ones.


I think he has the power supply already.

And I must have missed the part about the overclocking.
October 11, 2012 8:16:15 AM

Servus! Kommste zufällig aus Österreich? ^_^
If you're planning on "future-proofing" your build, definitely go with the unlocked K processor: The i5-3570K. You can overclock that CPU in the future if you decide to and it will be beastly! I still have my i5-2500K and I am not planning on upgrading anytime soon. Just remember, the new Ivy Bridge CPUs do kick out a considerable amount of heat when overclocked, so if you have a compatible case and the low profile corsair vengeance memory, I would recommend either a Noctua NH-D14 or a Corsair H100...but that's something to consider in the future.
As I've mentioned before, go for the Corsair Vengeance Black memory for two reasons: They operate at a lower voltage (1,5V compared to 1,65V) and although it has the same 1600Mhz frequency as the Kingston memory, if I am not mistaken the Corsair memory has slightly tighter timings (9-9-9-24 compared to 9-9-9-27), bearing in mind that memory frequency hardly has any impact on gaming (as long as it is DDR3 memory with 1333Mhz or higher), while tighter memory timings could result in a 2-3 FPS improvement.
Your PSU is more than sufficient.
Bear in mind what excella1221 explained regarding your motherboard choice (SLI vs Crossfire). But you should be safe with any one of the latest motherboards from one of the Big 3 (Asus, Gigabyte, MSI). Obviously do your research either on Tom's, Anandtech or HardwareCanucks before you purchase anything...and if they all seem to be on the same level, you could base your decision on colour scheme or even additional motherboard features such as built-in wifi, dual NICs etc...
Best of luck with the build!
ps: I'd be interested to know if you plan on getting an SSD and what GPU you will be gettting.
October 11, 2012 10:08:19 AM

BreadWhistle said:
I'll tell you right now that 8GB or RAM is more than enough, and 4GB is the most anyone really needs. So save a few bucks and just get 8GB. And if you really don't plan on overclocking, just grab a i5 3450 or 3550 and save some more.


Thank you, i guess i will go for 8b and save myself a few bucks :-)

I'll go for the same ones mentioned above (corsair vengance low profile) for 8gb :-)


Deemo13 said:
Your power supply is very good. See what buying a good power supply the first time does?

There's no reason for an i7 in terms of gaming, you are correct there.

If you do not want to overclock, there is no need for the "K" processor, as stated above. You would be fine with an i5-3450 and a cheaper motherboard with a H77 chipset. That'll save you alot of money for the same performance.

http://peluga.at/index.php?action=78&ARANUMMER=20355

http://peluga.at/index.php?action=78&ARANUMMER=20360

You don't even need an aftermarket fan for that one.

Keep your power supply for sure though. Its a very good unit.


Then i guess i need to get a z77 board along with the 3570k since i want to overclock in future.

I've got a slight problem with the enermax psu. The problem being that it is actually a modu82+ and not an pro87+
second problem being, is that i currently don't know the amount of WAT it has, i'm guessing it's actually 525 but i'm not entirely sure as of now. Would this one perform well? especially considering the fact that before christmas i might be adding a 660ti to the build. I just searched the place for the box for the sake of knowing more about my psu's output etc. At the moment, i have no clue.



excella1221 said:
He said he's not overclocking outright, but he wants the option open.

Anyway, @topic
How much does that PSU cost exactly? It looks okay but I can see you're on a tight budget and a Gold certification usually means it's more expensive than Bronze ones.

ASUS boards are great, and yes they are overpriced. Just buy a z77 one from Gigabyte or ASRock. They all have great quality.
You need to decide though if you're gonna SLI/Crossfire or not since that will determine what motherboard you'll need.

W/o SLI/Crossfire
http://peluga.at/index.php?action=78&ARANUMMER=20349
http://peluga.at/index.php?action=78&ARANUMMER=20385

W/ SLI/Crossfire
http://peluga.at/index.php?action=78&ARANUMMER=20359
http://peluga.at/index.php?action=78&ARANUMMER=20335

The i5-3570K is all you will ever need. Don't bother with an i7 unless you're doing workloads that call for hyperthreading.

No, you don't need more than 8gb of RAM for gaming, and since you also want to overclock in the future, you'll probably install a cooler so you need low profile RAM. Don't get the Kingston. I didn't check the link cause it leads to nowhere, but most of their RAM run on 1.65v which voids Intel warranty.

Get this instead,
http://peluga.at/index.php?action=78&ARANUMMER=20059


Yep! Getting those :-) My psu about 2 years ago costed me around 130 euros too 150. I checked a site and it costs 90~100 euros at the moment.



jaredbehrens said:
Servus! Kommste zufällig aus Österreich? ^_^
If you're planning on "future-proofing" your build, definitely go with the unlocked K processor: The i5-3570K. You can overclock that CPU in the future if you decide to and it will be beastly! I still have my i5-2500K and I am not planning on upgrading anytime soon. Just remember, the new Ivy Bridge CPUs do kick out a considerable amount of heat when overclocked, so if you have a compatible case and the low profile corsair vengeance memory, I would recommend either a Noctua NH-D14 or a Corsair H100...but that's something to consider in the future.
As I've mentioned before, go for the Corsair Vengeance Black memory for two reasons: They operate at a lower voltage (1,5V compared to 1,65V) and although it has the same 1600Mhz frequency as the Kingston memory, if I am not mistaken the Corsair memory has slightly tighter timings (9-9-9-24 compared to 9-9-9-27), bearing in mind that memory frequency hardly has any impact on gaming (as long as it is DDR3 memory with 1333Mhz or higher), while tighter memory timings could result in a 2-3 FPS improvement.
Your PSU is more than sufficient.
Bear in mind what excella1221 explained regarding your motherboard choice (SLI vs Crossfire). But you should be safe with any one of the latest motherboards from one of the Big 3 (Asus, Gigabyte, MSI). Obviously do your research either on Tom's, Anandtech or HardwareCanucks before you purchase anything...and if they all seem to be on the same level, you could base your decision on colour scheme or even additional motherboard features such as built-in wifi, dual NICs etc...
Best of luck with the build!
ps: I'd be interested to know if you plan on getting an SSD and what GPU you will be gettting.



Hello to you too ;-)

Of now now i'm planning to use the HDD i still have, as time goes by i will add an SDD - since i've seen how great they peform.
Graphic card at the moment i'm planning on a 660 ti before christmas. But i have the feeling i'm going to need a new psu if you look above. I hope not, cause that would have saved me some money. But it is inevitable anyway.

I really have everything for my pc, every single box. Even graphic cards dating way back but i can't get more info on my Modu82+ - god knows where hte box is
October 11, 2012 12:21:13 PM

excella1221 said:
How about let's just drop the Enermax.

Get this if you're only having 1 GPU.
http://peluga.at/index.php?action=78&ARANUMMER=19725

And this if you're planning to add another for SLI/CF in the future.
http://peluga.at/index.php?action=78&ARANUMMER=19825


Mhm, is there anything that would speak for going for using sli (future) over just buying a new graphic card and replace the existing one?

How good are sli set ups, that's my concern. Last time i checked most recommended simply buying one bad ass gpu at a time and leaving sli due to it having complications (?)
October 11, 2012 12:53:07 PM

Well if your budget can handle buying one powerful GPU then why not? :) 
Crossfire can be used if you can only just buy one mid-range card then add another in the future to get more power.
October 11, 2012 10:16:57 PM

Okay guys, so i've looked at what everyone had to say, and i'm very grateful. Thank you for the astonishingly quick replies as well as the help.

Here i've decided upon my final build - (i've decided to up my budget to the ~650 mark and add an SDD. I've also decided to try sli, i'll buy a 660 before christmas and another 660 sometime in the future.

Artikel Nr. Bezeichnung Preis Anzahl
19825 Corsair TX 650 V2 650W ATX 2.2 (CMPSU-650TXV2) € 77.90
20059 Corsair Vengeance Low Profile schwarz DIMM Kit 8GB PC3-12800U CL9 € 37.18
20262 Samsung SSD 830 Series 128GB, 2.5", SATA 6Gb/s (MZ-7PC128B) € 92.80
20344 Intel Core i5-3570K, 4x 3.40GHz, boxed (BX80637i53570k) € 212.00
20359 Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H, Z77 (dual PC3-12800U DDR3) € 128.90
20493 ASUS VS229H, 21.5" € 119.80
Gewicht ca.: 11.6 kg
Summe: € 668,58

What do you guys have to say? :-)

My last question:
Let us assume i have a 660, in about 1 and a half to 2 years i decide to add another 660. Would this 660 still be on par?
Please do comment on the new replacement Power supply (corsair TX 650 v2 650w atx 2.2) will this be able to handle my 2 cards and the rest of my rig?


Thank you very much
October 12, 2012 1:13:18 AM

Yes, the PSU will be fine for SLI 660.
Though in about 2 years, it would probably be better to just buy a new GPU.
October 12, 2012 11:43:02 AM

Sounds like an awesome machine!!
Could you maybe elaborate on what games you will be playing? I'm just worried, that you should maybe rather go for a GTX660 ti instead of the GTX660. Up until now, the 660 ti has had the best price to performance ratio out of all of Nvidia's cards at stock speeds!! In my opinion if one overclocks the ti version, one can easily achieve GTX670 performance.
Running the 660 or 660 ti in SLI is not such a good idea as I have seen many reviews and benchmarks where the average fps is outstanding but the minimum fps is frighteningly low. Lets say your frames drop from 80 to 60 in a mere 0.5 seconds. This would cause gameplay which does not feel smooth.
Excella1221 has once again made a valid point by stating that it would be better to get a new GPU in around 2 years.
Cheers
ps: Awesome SSD choice! Don't forget to update the firmware on that baby!!
October 12, 2012 11:47:06 AM

Concerning the PSU: Corsair makes very high-quality products. The PSU you have chosen is no exception. I put all your specs into this nifty little PSU wattage calculator and got a result of 549W with your cpu overclocked to 4.5Ghz (future-proofing) and dual 660s in SLI. That figure only jumps up 573W if you have the 660ti's.
October 14, 2012 5:08:22 PM

Okay guys so i dropped the sli gigabyte mainboard for 128 euros and went for the
asrock pro3 z77 - only 82 euros

Okay guys! Changed from sli to single gpu and come out with the following...

11804 SATA Power Cable Adapter, 0.15m € 3.00
12085 SATA Festplatten-Kabel, 0.5m € 3.99
19825 Corsair TX 650 V2 650W ATX 2.2 (CMPSU-650TXV2) € 77.90
20059 Corsair Vengeance Low Profile schwarz DIMM Kit 8GB PC3-12800U CL9 € 37.18
20262 Samsung SSD 830 Series 128GB, 2.5", SATA 6Gb/s (MZ-7PC128B) € 92.80
20344 Intel Core i5-3570K, 4x 3.40GHz, boxed (BX80637i53570k) € 212.00
20349 ASRock Z77 Pro3, Z77 (dual PC3-12800U DDR3) € 82.50
20493 ASUS VS229H, 21.5" € 119.80
Gewicht ca.: 11.8 kg
Summe: € 629,17


the asrock, despite being cheap, i've seen a review of them overclocking the cpu i have up to 4.6ghz from 3.4ghz, so that's a win for me, anyone disagree? :-)

Just wondering - Should i buy an additional computer case to go along with it? Or is it better i invest in a cooler like the Scythe Mugen 3 Rev. B(Sockel 1155/1156/1366/2011/AM3/FM1) - was planning to go stock, but since i saved me some 40 bucks by switching mainboards i thought why not buy a goo cooler now?

My current computer case has only one fan at the back and that's about it. Not sure? If someone suggests a computer case - here link: http://peluga.at/index.php?action=57&kakat=PCGM



Scythe Mugen 3 Rev. B(Sockel 1155/1156/1366/2011/AM3/FM1)

October 14, 2012 5:23:55 PM

Okay hun, just drop the 650w and get a 500-550w now since you're only on a single GPU and you're good to go.

You're gonna go over budget if you get a new case. I suggest just add fans to the existing one. Though if you really want a new one, the only thing I'd suggest from that link is the http://peluga.at/index.php?action=78&ARANUMMER=20509
!