Greetings!
The arrival of XCom Enemy Unknown has, sadly, confronted me with the fact that Windows XP might just be outdated. My current machine has issues with Windows 7, which leaves me with two options:
- Exchange the current AGP card of my system with a high-end GeForce AGP card (rare and hard to get)
OR
- Consider building a new system with (for a change) new parts of recent tech (which I have, sadly, not kept up with)
Both avenues have merit, hence my posting here.
Note: The price below is subject to some heavy guessing (See also, "Hats, pulling numbers out of"). I am mostly after some viable (not too horribly expensive) configurations I could look up locally (this being mainland Europe and me having easy access to several countries to shop from, at least for now).
So, what - hypothetically - am I looking for?
Main requirements I would define as follows:
1) XCom: Should be able to comfortably run X-Com Enemy Unknown* on Windows 7.
2) Computer usage:
Generic home PC (Surfing, e-mail, basic office applications, Matlab (simple things), Labview (blessedly rare))
Most taxing functions: Games (where X-Com and Starcraft II are the worst offenders), occasional videoediting (which works fine on my current dualcore 2.2 GHz Win XP PC). I definitely will not get involved in any heavy duty image processing or rendering.
3) Upgrades: No need for the latest technology but must support future upgrades (CPU, GPU, RAM)
*Minimum requirements given as
Processor: 2 GHz Dual Core
Memory: 2 GB RAM
Video Memory: 256 MB
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT / ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT or greater
Sound Card: DirectX Compatible
- Buying date: Slow accretion of parts over the next two months.
- Preferred Vendors: None, sources are not a concern at this time.
- Price range: ~300-400, worst case. Includes Mainboard, CPU, Graphics, PSU.
- Overclocking: No.
- Preferred technology: Nvidia graphics cards as ATI has always given me trouble with drivers - for over a decade with no sign of improvement. No other preferences.
- Monitor / Resolution: 1280 x 1024 minimum (Re-using CRTs, DVI adapter not an issue)
- Multiple graphics cards: Only for future upgrades
Required parts
- Mainboard
--- Must allow future upgrades, and I have no idea what to look for in current sockets to get that.
--- Would like the options for later MultiGPU and Quadcore support upgrades, possibly also for > 8GB RAM if justifiable (or cheap)
--- Basics: ethernet, sound, USB 3.0 ideally, but not at great cost.
--- Drives: At least two internal HDDs, one DVD drive, ideally with room to spare (I have never ever used SATA before, so excuse my caution here. I like putting jumpers on things).
--- ATX form factor
- CPU
--- Dual core 3.x GHz minimum (Flexible here, but I would like to see a definite improvement from my current 2.2 GHz Dual core if I am to buy a new PC)
[The Pentium G2120 from the Gaming CPU Article looked quite nifty, but even the Pentium G630 seemed fine. But my knowledge of CPUs and sockets is still limited as my last CPU shop was done on a Socket 939 board; AMD, dual core support more by luck than design.]
- RAM
--- 8 GB RAM Minimum
- Graphics
--- To be honest: No idea. I traditionally shop based on GPUreview.com and my current model, but pitting an AGP card against fairly recent cards is not particularly informative. Besides that I am wary of picking one of the duds that are occasionally thrown in between the decent cards.
- PSU
--- ATX.
--- Would like a power margin for future upgrades, but this would probably severly reduce efficiency. Optional.*
--- Power: Above + 2 HDD + DVDBurner + CPU-, GPU-, Case(x3)-fans
*Yes, I would like to have a bit of everything. But I can accept this might not be ... realistic.
Peripherals
Components that would be reused or sourced from ebay. Suggestions welcome but probably unnecessary. List included mainly for the sake of completeness; to make sure this setup would result in a viable machine, and in case I missed out any vital details above. Not included in the above budget.
- Case (Reused or Ebay, MIDI, ATX, devoid of windows, LEDs and other 'decorative' nonsense.)
- Cooling (Boxed or Arctic for CPU, 2-3 additional case fans (arctic), default Graphics cooler unless Selection ships with something abysmal)
- Screen (CRT reused, DVI adapters already available)
- Input devices (reused)
- 2x HDD ~200 GB+ subject to price, Ebay unless cheaply available
- DVD burner, Ebay unless cheaply available
- 3x SATA# cable (# matched to mainboard)
- Power chord (reuse or included above)
- Windows 7
- Windows XP (reused for primary in dual boot if feasible*)
*As opposed to useful, smart and efficient.
Notes (Feel free to correct me on any point):
Mainboard:
This is my main concern as, once chosen, the other picks become a lot easier. According to local guides, the CPU choice should be made first where I always started with the mainboard. Unfortunately, I don't really know what to look for right now. Picking the wrong socket - one that is already getting old or not very 'robust' in design - could be fatal here. I wouldn't consider mainboard replacement an 'upgrade' but a new computer. On the other hand, with the right socket / RAM support I would expect a computer to live for a very long time.
Graphics:
Based on various guides, including the local, I don't need SLI. The bulk of my software is old (Ranging from DOSBox content to Starcraft II, which is very lonely at the top). I stay far behind the tech curve not only in actual hardware but also in current games. XCom is one of those very rare occasions where I am actually buying early on, and is still only problematic because of an unlucky hardware/software combination in Win7. Most of my software does not know what to do with two cores, let alone two graphics cards. Hence the future option would be sufficient for my taste.
CPU:
It looks like Quad core is in the same situation as dual core on introduction; multithreading is still not common in software, and hence useless unless lots of things happen at once. Since I won't be playing Xcom while running a Matlab simulation of the known universe in parallel with folding@home, all while encoding 100.000 hours of BBC News video footage, a dual core processor should do the job. Again, I'd like the option for future upgrades, i.e. a mainboard that can (or at least in all likelihood will be able to) support some decent quad cores.
RAM:
Is there a case to be made for >8 GB RAM? I can accept that maybe by now >4 GB are necessary for the latest games, but have no idea how I'd use more than 8. Or just 8 for that matter.
---
I would expect even a 'budget' PC to beat the minimum system requirements of XCom with relative ease. My current PC could do it, if not for its Win7 hiccup. Not being a connoisseur of fine graphics, I am happy with moderate settings on any given game. I prefer to stay behind the tech wave for the sake of prices, and upgrade as newer components age and drop in cost, if really necessary. A trial run with the PC builder of a not-too-cheap vendor based on the 2012 gaming CPUs article here produces a whopping estimate of 650 Euros, however (case + contents), which is just too much.
Any advice you care to give, whole setups or parts, or anything else would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Gene
P.S.: I have looked at a few build threads here. Though those were mostly concerned with what seems like high end gaming PCs and included all the peripherals, do let me know if my approximate price range borders on the deluded.
The arrival of XCom Enemy Unknown has, sadly, confronted me with the fact that Windows XP might just be outdated. My current machine has issues with Windows 7, which leaves me with two options:
- Exchange the current AGP card of my system with a high-end GeForce AGP card (rare and hard to get)
OR
- Consider building a new system with (for a change) new parts of recent tech (which I have, sadly, not kept up with)
Both avenues have merit, hence my posting here.
Note: The price below is subject to some heavy guessing (See also, "Hats, pulling numbers out of"). I am mostly after some viable (not too horribly expensive) configurations I could look up locally (this being mainland Europe and me having easy access to several countries to shop from, at least for now).
So, what - hypothetically - am I looking for?
Main requirements I would define as follows:
1) XCom: Should be able to comfortably run X-Com Enemy Unknown* on Windows 7.
2) Computer usage:
Generic home PC (Surfing, e-mail, basic office applications, Matlab (simple things), Labview (blessedly rare))
Most taxing functions: Games (where X-Com and Starcraft II are the worst offenders), occasional videoediting (which works fine on my current dualcore 2.2 GHz Win XP PC). I definitely will not get involved in any heavy duty image processing or rendering.
3) Upgrades: No need for the latest technology but must support future upgrades (CPU, GPU, RAM)
*Minimum requirements given as
Processor: 2 GHz Dual Core
Memory: 2 GB RAM
Video Memory: 256 MB
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT / ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT or greater
Sound Card: DirectX Compatible
- Buying date: Slow accretion of parts over the next two months.
- Preferred Vendors: None, sources are not a concern at this time.
- Price range: ~300-400, worst case. Includes Mainboard, CPU, Graphics, PSU.
- Overclocking: No.
- Preferred technology: Nvidia graphics cards as ATI has always given me trouble with drivers - for over a decade with no sign of improvement. No other preferences.
- Monitor / Resolution: 1280 x 1024 minimum (Re-using CRTs, DVI adapter not an issue)
- Multiple graphics cards: Only for future upgrades
Required parts
- Mainboard
--- Must allow future upgrades, and I have no idea what to look for in current sockets to get that.
--- Would like the options for later MultiGPU and Quadcore support upgrades, possibly also for > 8GB RAM if justifiable (or cheap)
--- Basics: ethernet, sound, USB 3.0 ideally, but not at great cost.
--- Drives: At least two internal HDDs, one DVD drive, ideally with room to spare (I have never ever used SATA before, so excuse my caution here. I like putting jumpers on things).
--- ATX form factor
- CPU
--- Dual core 3.x GHz minimum (Flexible here, but I would like to see a definite improvement from my current 2.2 GHz Dual core if I am to buy a new PC)
[The Pentium G2120 from the Gaming CPU Article looked quite nifty, but even the Pentium G630 seemed fine. But my knowledge of CPUs and sockets is still limited as my last CPU shop was done on a Socket 939 board; AMD, dual core support more by luck than design.]
- RAM
--- 8 GB RAM Minimum
- Graphics
--- To be honest: No idea. I traditionally shop based on GPUreview.com and my current model, but pitting an AGP card against fairly recent cards is not particularly informative. Besides that I am wary of picking one of the duds that are occasionally thrown in between the decent cards.
- PSU
--- ATX.
--- Would like a power margin for future upgrades, but this would probably severly reduce efficiency. Optional.*
--- Power: Above + 2 HDD + DVDBurner + CPU-, GPU-, Case(x3)-fans
*Yes, I would like to have a bit of everything. But I can accept this might not be ... realistic.
Peripherals
Components that would be reused or sourced from ebay. Suggestions welcome but probably unnecessary. List included mainly for the sake of completeness; to make sure this setup would result in a viable machine, and in case I missed out any vital details above. Not included in the above budget.
- Case (Reused or Ebay, MIDI, ATX, devoid of windows, LEDs and other 'decorative' nonsense.)
- Cooling (Boxed or Arctic for CPU, 2-3 additional case fans (arctic), default Graphics cooler unless Selection ships with something abysmal)
- Screen (CRT reused, DVI adapters already available)
- Input devices (reused)
- 2x HDD ~200 GB+ subject to price, Ebay unless cheaply available
- DVD burner, Ebay unless cheaply available
- 3x SATA# cable (# matched to mainboard)
- Power chord (reuse or included above)
- Windows 7
- Windows XP (reused for primary in dual boot if feasible*)
*As opposed to useful, smart and efficient.
Notes (Feel free to correct me on any point):
Mainboard:
This is my main concern as, once chosen, the other picks become a lot easier. According to local guides, the CPU choice should be made first where I always started with the mainboard. Unfortunately, I don't really know what to look for right now. Picking the wrong socket - one that is already getting old or not very 'robust' in design - could be fatal here. I wouldn't consider mainboard replacement an 'upgrade' but a new computer. On the other hand, with the right socket / RAM support I would expect a computer to live for a very long time.
Graphics:
Based on various guides, including the local, I don't need SLI. The bulk of my software is old (Ranging from DOSBox content to Starcraft II, which is very lonely at the top). I stay far behind the tech curve not only in actual hardware but also in current games. XCom is one of those very rare occasions where I am actually buying early on, and is still only problematic because of an unlucky hardware/software combination in Win7. Most of my software does not know what to do with two cores, let alone two graphics cards. Hence the future option would be sufficient for my taste.
CPU:
It looks like Quad core is in the same situation as dual core on introduction; multithreading is still not common in software, and hence useless unless lots of things happen at once. Since I won't be playing Xcom while running a Matlab simulation of the known universe in parallel with folding@home, all while encoding 100.000 hours of BBC News video footage, a dual core processor should do the job. Again, I'd like the option for future upgrades, i.e. a mainboard that can (or at least in all likelihood will be able to) support some decent quad cores.
RAM:
Is there a case to be made for >8 GB RAM? I can accept that maybe by now >4 GB are necessary for the latest games, but have no idea how I'd use more than 8. Or just 8 for that matter.
---
I would expect even a 'budget' PC to beat the minimum system requirements of XCom with relative ease. My current PC could do it, if not for its Win7 hiccup. Not being a connoisseur of fine graphics, I am happy with moderate settings on any given game. I prefer to stay behind the tech wave for the sake of prices, and upgrade as newer components age and drop in cost, if really necessary. A trial run with the PC builder of a not-too-cheap vendor based on the 2012 gaming CPUs article here produces a whopping estimate of 650 Euros, however (case + contents), which is just too much.
Any advice you care to give, whole setups or parts, or anything else would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Gene
P.S.: I have looked at a few build threads here. Though those were mostly concerned with what seems like high end gaming PCs and included all the peripherals, do let me know if my approximate price range borders on the deluded.