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Anonymous
February 24, 2013 4:19:41 PM

Hi, I am using a 3570k at stock clock with a Hyper 212 Evo. I have an ASRock Extreme 6 and a Phantom 410.

When I first build the computer about a week ago, I noticed that the bios temps were around 41..5C...really hot...so today I took off the heatsink, reapplied the Arctic silver 5, and readjusted the bracket so the heatsink wobbled less...it doesn't move at all anymore. When I rebooted, the bios was reading 42.5C...and CoreTemp as I'm typing this is showing 36-38C on the hottest core. What do I do?! (Ambient temp around 80F)

This brings me to my question. Does the fact that I am using integrated graphics make my CPU hotter? And what can I do to improve these temps overall? I saw a YouTube video of a guy running his 3570k at 4.4GHz and was only around 26C at idle. Something I'm doing isn't right...Thanks for all your help!!!!!

Please respond, I don't know what is wrong with my system :cry: 


Thanks again!

--Cale



EDIT: Just ran Intel's IPDT test and these were the results:
Spoiler

--- IPDT64 - rev 1.24.0.0 ---


--- Start Time: 02/24/2013 13:23:09---


--- Skipping Config ---


--- Reading CPU Manufacturer ---

Expected --> GenuineIntel
Detected --> GenuineIntel
Found --- Genuine Intel Processor ---

--- Temperature Test ---

Temperature Test Passed!!!


Temperature = 58 degrees C below maximum.


--- Reading Brand String ---

Detected Brand String:
Intel Core i5-3570K 3.40GHz

Brand String Test Passed!!!


--- Reading CPU Frequency ---

Expected CPU Frequency is --> 3.40


Detected CPU Frequency is --> 3.40015

CPU Frequency Test Passed!!!


--- FSB NOT Supported on this Processor ---


--- Running Base Clock test ---


Detected Base Clock --> 100
Base Clock test Pass ---

--- Running Floating Point test ---


Million Floating Points per Second, MFLOPS --> 460.8
Floating Point Test Pass ---

--- Running Prime Number Generation Test ---


Operation Per Second--> 5.31663e+006
Prime Number Generation Test Pass ---

--- Reading Cache Size ---

- Detected L1 Data Cache Size --> 4 x 32
- Detected L1 Inst Cache Size --> 4 x 32

- Detected L2 Cache Size --> 1024
- Detected L3 Cache Size --> 6144


Cache Size Test Passed!!!


--- Determining MMX - SSE capabilities ---


--- CPU FEATURES DETECTION FOR ---
--- MMX SSE ---
MMX - MMX Supported --> Yes
SSE - SSE Supported --> Yes
SSE2 - SSE2 Supported --> Yes
SSE3 - SSE3 Supported --> Yes
SSSE3 - SSSE3 Supported --> Yes
SSE4.1 - SSE4.1 Supported --> Yes
SSE4.2 - SSE4.2 Supported --> Yes
--- MMX SSE - capabilities check complete ---

MMX Test Result --- PASS
SSE Test Result --- PASS
SSE2 Test Result --- PASS
SSE3 Test Result --- PASS
SSSE3 Test Result --- PASS
SSE4.1 Test Result --- PASS
SSE4.2 Test Result --- PASS
MMX SSE Testing Passed !!

--- Determining AVX AES PCLMULQDQ capabilities ---


--- CPU FEATURES DETECTION FOR ---
--- AVX/AES/PCLMULQDQ ---
AVX - Advanced Vector Extensions Supported --> Yes
AVX OS Support - AVX Operating System Supported --> Yes
AES - Advanced Encryption Standard Supported --> Yes
PCLMULQDQ - Polys Carry-Less Multiply Supported --> Yes
--- AVX AES PCLMULQDQ capabilities check complete ---

AVX Compare Test Result --- PASS
AES Test Result --- PASS
PCLMULQDQ Test Result --- PASS
AVX AES PCLMULQDQ Testing Passed !!

--- Reading Memory Size ---


Detected Memory Size is --> 8.00GB


--- Integrated Memory Controller Stress Test ---


--- Integrated Memory Controller Stress Test Pass!!! ---


Integrated Memory Controller Test Pass!!!


Chipset : Intel(R) Z77 Express Chipset
Chipset Stepping : C1

No device connected to PCI Express Port 1

1 device connected to PCI Express Port 5
1 : Asmedia 106x SATA Controller

1 device connected to PCI Express Port 6
1 : Broadcom NetLink (TM) Gigabit Ethernet

1 device connected to PCI Express Port 7
1 : Etron USB 3.0 Extensible Host Controller

1 device connected to PCI Express Port 8
1 : PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge

1 device connected to SATA Controller 1
1 : ASUS DRW-24B1ST c ATA Device

2USB devices detected
1 : USB Composite Device
2 : USB Input Device

2 device connected to Intel High Definition Audio Controller
1 : Realtek High Definition Audio
2 : Intel(R) Display Audio

--- Platform Controller Hub Test Completed!!! ---



--- Querying for Intel(R) Integrated Graphics Device (IGD) ---

..Detected 8086 as Vendor ID on Device 2 on Intel(R) processor..
..Intel(R) Integrated Graphics Device Presence Detection Passed..


..2D Graphics Visual Display Passed..


..Graphics Visual Display Passed..


..Rotating Display Passed..


--- CPU Load ---


--- Load Level = 8


CPU Load Passed!!!


--- Temperature Test ---

Temperature Test Passed!!!


Temperature = 61 degrees C below maximum.


--- Test End Time: 02/24/2013 13:27:09---

February 24, 2013 6:54:00 PM

Uh, yeah.. what cooler are you using?

and yes, i do believe integrated graphics make a CPU hotter. this, along with no flux less solder, both contribute to the fact that Ivy bridge cannot overclock as well as Sandy Bridge even though it has lower TDP and 22nm node.

I wish Intel would stop including their crappy space-wasting expensive Integrated graphics on their Enthusiast K-series unlocked processors.

your temps do seem to be high... heck, my FX-8320@ 4 Ghz runs 31C idle.
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Anonymous
February 24, 2013 7:03:24 PM

It says in the post. A hyper 212 Evo
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February 24, 2013 7:09:00 PM

Anonymous said:
It says in the post. A hyper 212 Evo



to be honest, these temperatures are nothing to worry about.

I would worry if it got to 60C.

ALSO, make sure you have the CPU fan curve set at a reasonable level.. like, make sure everything isn't on silent mode.
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February 24, 2013 7:40:57 PM

With an ambient temp of 26C, I really wouldn't be worried about a core temp of 10C above that.

What case have you got, is it set up in clear air, how's the airflow within it? Posting some pics of the setup could help here.

What temperature does it reach under load? (running Prime95/whatever other test you want)
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Anonymous
February 24, 2013 8:43:43 PM

I have been running prime95 for an hour now on it (posting this reply on my laptop) and it has hit 70C but nothing higher than 70C. I'm gonna run prime 95 for the full recommended 8 hours to test stability.

I would post pics but, idk how haha :p 

The case is a NZXT Phantom 410 mid tower. It has 1 120mm intake in the front, a 120mm exhaust in the back, and a 140mm LED exhaust in the top. It is about 3 feet off the ground and has what I would consider to be excellent cable management ;) 

I have the integrated fan controller turned up to max and the CPU fan is just running by itself on auto.
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Anonymous
February 24, 2013 8:44:16 PM

Tman450 said:
to be honest, these temperatures are nothing to worry about.

I would worry if it got to 60C.

ALSO, make sure you have the CPU fan curve set at a reasonable level.. like, make sure everything isn't on silent mode.


How would I change the CPU fan curve?
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February 24, 2013 8:45:16 PM

Anonymous said:
I have been running prime95 for an hour now on it (posting this reply on my laptop) and it has hit 70C but nothing higher than 70C. I'm gonna run prime 95 for the full recommended 8 hours to test stability.

I would post pics but, idk how haha :p 

The case is a NZXT Phantom 410 mid tower. It has 1 120mm intake in the front, a 120mm exhaust in the back, and a 140mm LED exhaust in the top. It is about 3 feet off the ground and has what I would consider to be excellent cable management ;) 

I have the integrated fan controller turned up to max and the CPU fan is just running by itself on auto.



oh, wow. those are ridiculously high temps... ima run prime95 for comparison
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Anonymous
February 24, 2013 9:04:27 PM

Tman450 said:
oh, wow. those are ridiculously high temps... ima run prime95 for comparison


I know! And I just redid the thermal paste this morning! :fou: 
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February 24, 2013 9:09:31 PM

Anonymous said:
I know! And I just redid the thermal paste this morning! :fou: 



My FX-8320 @ 4 Ghz with all 8 cores at 100% in prime95 maxes out 57-58 celcius, and i'm running the Hyper 212 Plus
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Anonymous
February 24, 2013 9:11:25 PM

Tman450 said:
My FX-8320 @ 4 Ghz with all 8 cores at 100% in prime95 just barely hits 60 Celcius.


Isn't that a stock 4.0 though? or at least turbo 4.0? So, what is up with my 3570k?
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February 24, 2013 9:12:13 PM

Anonymous said:
Isn't that a stock 4.0 though? or at least turbo 4.0? So, what is up with my 3570k?



are you using the iGPU by chance?
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February 24, 2013 9:13:46 PM

80 F = 26 C
Typical air HSF is about 8->10 C above ambient temp at Idle and 20 C above ambient for a "high end" air HSF. The hyper 212 Evo is closer to a mid-level HSF. Excellent in terms of cost performance.
With room temp of 80F I would say your temps are closer to normal.
Posting of 26 C at idle I take with a grain of salt and did they post the ambient temp.

And Yes the iGPU does add to the total heat dissipation.
SB and IB do not even throttle until above 90C

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"oh, wow. those are ridiculously high temps... ima run prime95 for comparison" - Really, and he already indicated runing prime 95
Normal temps are provided for aroun 20->22C (or 68 -> 72F. Typical HSF is about 9 C above ambient = 29 -> 31 C.
NOW for each deg F increase, core temps wil increas approx 1 C. His room @ 80 F is about 10F above norm which indicates a 10C increase over norm
29->31 + 10 = about 39->41C at Idle is what should be expected.
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Anonymous
February 24, 2013 9:14:34 PM

Tman450 said:
are you using the iGPU by chance?



hahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaaha! yea lolol. That's why I titled the post "do integrated graphics make a cpu run hotter" ;D

but jokes aside, yea. And I think that is a contributing factor as to why it is as hot as it is...once I get paid again, and can afford my 670, I will get back about the temps. But for now I just wanna know a way to bring these down.
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Anonymous
February 24, 2013 9:19:35 PM

RetiredChief said:
80 F = 26 C
Typical air HSF is about 8->10 C above ambient temp at Idle and 20 C above ambient for a "high end" air HSF. The hyper 212 Evo is closer to a mid-level HSF. Excellent in terms of cost performance.
With room temp of 80F I would say your temps are closer to normal.
Posting of 26 C at idle I take with a grain of salt and did they post the ambient temp.

And Yes the iGPU does add to the total heat dissipation.
SB and IB do not even throttle until above 90C


What are SB and IB???

when I get a discreet, should I still be worried about temps? what are some ways I can bring them down now?
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February 24, 2013 10:26:30 PM

Anonymous said:
What are SB and IB???

when I get a discreet, should I still be worried about temps? what are some ways I can bring them down now?



Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge. no, don't worry about the temps, wait for a real graphics solution
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Anonymous
February 24, 2013 10:29:04 PM

Tman450 said:
Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge. no, don't worry about the temps, wait for a real graphics solution



prime95 still runnin, still not over 70
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February 24, 2013 11:53:15 PM

Prime 95, to verify temps - 1 hour is more than enough generally. First 15 min and it is about 95% to the max it will get to.

You should be fine, might want to lower your room temp if possible, not for cpu but for self - LOL
Enjoy
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February 25, 2013 12:02:09 AM

RetiredChief said:
Prime 95, to verify temps - 1 hour is more than enough generally. First 15 min and it is about 95% to the max it will get to.

You should be fine, might want to lower your room temp if possible, not for cpu but for self - LOL
Enjoy


yea, I live in the Tampa area of Florida, and my mom likes to keep the windows open... hahahahahahahaha

This summer, when the A/C is on, the temps will be much better ;) 

Also, they will be better with a GPU. Looking for 60C at 4.0GHz
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February 25, 2013 12:15:58 AM

If you keep under 70 with prime load, I do not think you have anything to worry about. Intel's rating of 67.4 is not a core temperature or junction temperature either.

The thermal paste they use to transfer heat from the cpu core to the heat spreader does increase temps a bit as well(not much you can do about this if you value your warranty).
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February 25, 2013 1:19:54 AM

i have a hyper tx3 and at 4ghz i was getting well over 70c prime95 load (at around 23c ambient). What i actually found was that there is an adjustment for the length of the clips for the heatsink. I had left them on the shorter length from my old socket 775 cpu, making it hard to get on, but i figured the additional pressure would be beneficial. I was wrong. Recently adjusted them out, cleaned the dust out of it, reapplied thermal paste, and now it runs around 68c small-fft prime95 torture test on all cores at 4ghz, 100% cpu fan speed (which i dont find particularly loud, i normally use headphones anyway), tested for about 1/2 hr. It seems stable at 4ghz with no additional voltage. So your hyper 212 should get better results depending on ambient temp and case ventillation. I am using noctua nt-h1 thermal compound. I used to use arctic silver but the noctua is much better. Arctic silver also has a lengthy curing time before it works properly, the noctua does not.
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February 25, 2013 1:27:01 AM

I tried as hard as possible to look for a solution myself but wasn't able to.
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February 25, 2013 1:27:45 AM

Core temps shouldn't go up because of the graphics. You should be looking at the package temp.
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Anonymous
February 25, 2013 1:39:45 AM

iam2thecrowe said:
i have a hyper tx3 and at 4ghz i was getting well over 70c prime95 load (at around 23c ambient). What i actually found was that there is an adjustment for the length of the clips for the heatsink. I had left them on the shorter length from my old socket 775 cpu, making it hard to get on, but i figured the additional pressure would be beneficial. I was wrong. Recently adjusted them out, cleaned the dust out of it, reapplied thermal paste, and now it runs around 68c small-fft prime95 torture test on all cores at 4ghz, 100% cpu fan speed (which i dont find particularly loud, i normally use headphones anyway), tested for about 1/2 hr. It seems stable at 4ghz with no additional voltage. So your hyper 212 should get better results depending on ambient temp and case ventillation. I am using noctua nt-h1 thermal compound. I used to use arctic silver but the noctua is much better. Arctic silver also has a lengthy curing time before it works properly, the noctua does not.



Yea I did that exact same thing this morning. Readjusting the bracket helped secure it a lot better. :) 

I'm gonna wait for it to cure and see what I got.

Prime has now been running 6 hours and still has maxed at 70 and stabilized around 66...
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February 25, 2013 2:49:33 AM

To answer the original question about iGPU and temps, I'll add this:

i5-3350p (no iGPU) = 69w TDP
i5-3570K (HD 4000) = 77w TDP

So the integrated graphics should add 8 watts, which isn't really that much.
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