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Hi,

I made an M42 adapter to be able to use old M42 lenses with CANON EOS.
I attached electric contacts and electronics from old 28-90 zoom lens
to get the focus confirmation. The problem is that it doesn't work
very well. The AF circuit in the camera sees everything like it would
be closer than it is normally. I mean that if the proper distance is
15 meters, AF gives the focus confirmation at 10 meters. Everything is
a little blurred. I have better results using my eyes than
electronics. I made many tests with EOS analog and digital cameras
(EOS 300 or 300D) and the SONNAR 135/3.5 lens.

Maybe in the electronic circuit there are some lens characteristics
that becomes invalid when I swap optics. Anybody has any idea?

Marek
(macop@poczta.onet.pl)

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Marek C posted:
> Hi,
>
> I made an M42 adapter to be able to use old M42 lenses with CANON EOS.
> I attached electric contacts and electronics from old 28-90 zoom lens
> to get the focus confirmation. The problem is that it doesn't work
> very well. The AF circuit in the camera sees everything like it would
> be closer than it is normally. I mean that if the proper distance is
> 15 meters, AF gives the focus confirmation at 10 meters. Everything is
> a little blurred. I have better results using my eyes than
> electronics. I made many tests with EOS analog and digital cameras
> (EOS 300 or 300D) and the SONNAR 135/3.5 lens.
>
> Maybe in the electronic circuit there are some lens characteristics
> that becomes invalid when I swap optics. Anybody has any idea?
>
> Marek
> (macop@poczta.onet.pl)
>
Czesc!

It could be that the camera isn't taking into account the thickness of
the adapter ring and setting focus according to some preset value (off
by this much, compensate by this much) or not using a TTL focusing
system. You should try different focusing settings, but I think you may
have to just focus manually.

Pozdrawiam,

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> It could be that the camera isn't taking into account the thickness of
> the adapter ring and setting focus according to some preset value (off
> by this much, compensate by this much) or not using a TTL focusing

All SLR cameras are using TTL focusing. Anyway, I cannot imagine any
modern camera that doesn't focus through lens. I suppose that the
thickness of the adapter ring doesn't matter at all. If you have wrong
thickness, you get wrong distance numbers printed on the lens but it
doesn't interfere with the focus confirmation which should light when
there is sharp picture on the film plane or the CCD sensor.
Am I right? Of course with the wrong thickness there can be some
problems with focusing at the infinity, but this is not my case.

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macop@poczta.onet.pl (Marek C) writes:

>> It could be that the camera isn't taking into account the thickness of
>> the adapter ring and setting focus according to some preset value (off
>> by this much, compensate by this much) or not using a TTL focusing
>
> All SLR cameras are using TTL focusing. Anyway, I cannot imagine any
> modern camera that doesn't focus through lens.

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Hi Maek,
I tryed years ago to do the same thing... but I didn't find the time to
assembly the parts...
It's strange the camera see wrong focus distance... in particular EOS 300...
Have you switched in manual focus your M42 device ?
Pay attention to the pin in the camera mounting. There exist a hidden black
pin in the camera, and when you lock an EF lens, the pin is shifted a little
and the camera understand that exist a lens mounted.

In my experiment with EOS + others adapters, if the adapter don't fit
properly so the pin don't shift, the camera goes in loking after shooting.
(But this is an other story) My EOS was ELAN

Keep me tuned about your experiments...
Some questions:
have you kept the original zoom mount, treading with M42x1 step, or have you
put the contacts on a new M42 adapter?

tnx and good job!
Fer - Italy

fergor@libero ._it (remove the space and undescore)



Marek C <macop@poczta.onet.pl> wrote in message
17b5b4a1.0411060602.151cfb43@posting.google.com...
> Hi,
>
> I made an M42 adapter to be able to use old M42 lenses with CANON EOS.
> I attached electric contacts and electronics from old 28-90 zoom lens
> to get the focus confirmation. The problem is that it doesn't work
> very well. The AF circuit in the camera sees everything like it would
> be closer than it is normally. I mean that if the proper distance is
> 15 meters, AF gives the focus confirmation at 10 meters. Everything is
> a little blurred. I have better results using my eyes than
> electronics. I made many tests with EOS analog and digital cameras
> (EOS 300 or 300D) and the SONNAR 135/3.5 lens.
>
> Maybe in the electronic circuit there are some lens characteristics
> that becomes invalid when I swap optics. Anybody has any idea?
>
> Marek
> (macop@poczta.onet.pl)
>

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"FG" <fergor_togliquesto_@libero.it> writes:

> Hi Maek,
> I tryed years ago to do the same thing... but I didn't find the time to
> assembly the parts...
> It's strange the camera see wrong focus distance... in particular EOS 300...
> Have you switched in manual focus your M42 device ?

I don't think there ever was an autofocus M42 lens.

<snip>

>
> Marek C <macop@poczta.onet.pl> wrote in message
> 17b5b4a1.0411060602.151cfb43@posting.google.com...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I made an M42 adapter to be able to use old M42 lenses with CANON EOS.
> > I attached electric contacts and electronics from old 28-90 zoom lens
> > to get the focus confirmation. The problem is that it doesn't work
> > very well. The AF circuit in the camera sees everything like it would
> > be closer than it is normally. I mean that if the proper distance is
> > 15 meters, AF gives the focus confirmation at 10 meters. Everything is
> > a little blurred. I have better results using my eyes than
> > electronics. I made many tests with EOS analog and digital cameras
> > (EOS 300 or 300D) and the SONNAR 135/3.5 lens.
> >
> > Maybe in the electronic circuit there are some lens characteristics
> > that becomes invalid when I swap optics. Anybody has any idea?

Well, in the old days, lenses like thread-mount Takumars all had a
little red infrared focus mark somewhere along the depth-of-field
scale. The idea was that the lens wasn't chromatically corrected for
infrared, but you could make it work by focusing visually, then moving
that focus point to line up with the IR focus mark. Since, as far as I
know, the autofocus sensor operates in the near IR, is it possible
that this focus shift is the problem? I don't know if modern AF lenses
are corrected better so the focus shift doesn't matter, or perhaps
they are designed to have the same shift for all lenses, or maybe each
lens signals the camera with its focus shift so the AF circuitry can
correct for it.

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