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a c 291 U Graphics card
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August 20, 2012 7:39:28 PM

They should have similar performance, I'd go for GTX 670 though due to lower price and bonus associated with going with Nvidia: TXAA, FXAA, PhysX, ability to use 3 monitors without adapters.
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August 20, 2012 8:00:07 PM

I'm gonna use it with an Intel 3470, a Gigabyte B75-D3V, 8 GB RAM 1600 MHz, and a 600 W PSU. Is this system going to "rock"?
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a c 291 U Graphics card
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August 20, 2012 8:07:44 PM

Yes it will :) . It depends on the brand of the power supply though!
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a c 144 U Graphics card
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August 20, 2012 8:08:15 PM

what's your definition of 'rock'?. at the very least your system will not going to hold you in regards to gaming performance.
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August 20, 2012 8:08:55 PM

Depends on what your using it for?

They both have benefits. If you need compute performance, definitely go with the AMD card as Nvidia is very poor in that area.
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August 20, 2012 8:12:10 PM

What do you mean it's not going to hold me in gaming performance?? I mean isn't this enough for 3 years?!I need more power? The PSU is a Corsair GS 600 Bronze.
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August 20, 2012 8:20:01 PM

iknowhowtofixit said:
The HD7970 is comparable to the GTX 680. The HD7950 is comparable to the GTX670.

Of those, I recommend the HD7950. This Gigabyte version is factory OCed with a pretty nice custom cooler:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


AFAIK GTX670 is faster than 7950. even the boosted version still beaten by 670
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August 20, 2012 8:22:37 PM

CommanderShepard said:
What do you mean it's not going to hold me in gaming performance?? I mean isn't this enough for 3 years?!I need more power? The PSU is a Corsair GS 600 Bronze.


that psu should be suffice. honestly 3 years is fine as long as you don't mind lowering down some of the setting.
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August 20, 2012 8:27:03 PM

renz496 said:
AFAIK GTX670 is faster than 7950. even the boosted version still beaten by 670


An OCed 7950 seems to have a slightly higher potential than an OCed GTX 670. Obviously some games favor one vendor over the other. My selling point is that the cheapest GTX 670 about $80 more (~25% more) the cheapest 7950, when both perform nearly the same.
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August 20, 2012 8:34:22 PM

In my country, that 7970 is the most I can afford, because here the prices are so pricy...! Think I'm gonna get the 670, while in my country the price difference is not that big...it's pretty small, given the price.
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August 20, 2012 8:45:36 PM

I think it really depends on resolution/number of monitors. If you're going for a 3x 1920x1080 or 2560x1600 setup then the higher VRAM of the AMD will win out. If you're looking for higher FPS at a lower resolution then NVidia has an advantage. It's also pretty erratic from game to game. Personally, I'm more of a fan of AMD at the moment as I think 2-3 years from now the NVidia cards will feel the crunch more - I also hold on to my cards longer than most though.
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August 20, 2012 8:46:15 PM

iknowhowtofixit said:
An OCed 7950 seems to have a slightly higher potential than an OCed GTX 670. Obviously some games favor one vendor over the other. My selling point is that the cheapest GTX 670 about $80 more (~25% more) the cheapest 7950, when both perform nearly the same.


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...

HD 7950 and 7870 are one tier below the GTX 670

The GTX 660 Ti is in the same tier as the HD 7950 and costs $50 less ($20 less than the VisionTek that I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole).
See how in Battlefield 3(a game where Nvidia has an advantage) the 660 Ti beats out the 7950 and the 670 beats them both...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-ti-...

Here is techpowerup's review summary
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_660...
The GTX 660 Ti beats the 7950 here too..

Anandtech is a mixed bag... although they focused more on 2560 x 1600 gaming where the 7950 seems to have an advantage.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6159/the-geforce-gtx-660-...

The GTX 670's are $50 more than the respectable HD 7950s out there

The GTX 670 is highly overclockable.
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August 20, 2012 8:55:50 PM

pacioli said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...

HD 7950 and 7870 are one tier below the GTX 670

The GTX 660 Ti is in the same tier as the HD 7950 and costs $50 less ($20 less than the VisionTek that I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole).
See how in Battlefield 3(a game where Nvidia has an advantage) the 660 Ti beats out the 7950 and the 670 beats them both...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-ti-...

Here is techpowerup's review summary
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_660...
The GTX 660 Ti beats the 7950 here too..

Anandtech is a mixed bag... although they focused more on 2560 x 1600 gaming where the 7950 seems to have an advantage.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6159/the-geforce-gtx-660-...

The GTX 670's are $50 more than the respectable HD 7950s out there

The GTX 670 is highly overclockable.


Don't forget that the HD7950s have new firmware now. The hierarchy chart is no longer accurate.
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August 20, 2012 8:58:13 PM

^ personally i think the updated BIOS doesn't add much to the card. in TPU review they were seeing 20% power consumption increase in typical gaming session but the performance increase was only about 5% on average

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7950_Boost_BI...
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August 20, 2012 9:03:06 PM

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/HD7950-GTX660_Ti-Radeo...
It only affects reference cards that don't already have a factory OC.

The point still being that the 7950 performs too close to cards that are $50 cheaper. (which is why the bios update is essentially a forced OC for reference cards)

It looks bad when AMD's $300 card and Nvidia's $300 card have a bigger performance disparity than AMD's $350 card and Nvidia's $300 card
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August 20, 2012 9:07:26 PM

At this moment the 7950 is the best bang for the buck, a simple OC and it surpasses 670, 680 and 7970. With good cooling dual fans 1200mhz OC will destroy.
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August 20, 2012 9:11:36 PM

^
Way to go comparing overclocked HD 7950 to stock cards. You know, you can overclock other cards to be even faster.
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August 20, 2012 9:33:07 PM

So you're saying he cheated?
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August 20, 2012 9:37:44 PM

he GTX 670 will perform better in your preferred game-types (BF3, GTA IV, open world games like Skyrim and Fallout 3). It's also cheaper, considerably quieter, and allows gaming with PhysX and Adaptive VSync.
http://hardocp.com/article/2012/04/16/nvidia_adaptive_v...
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_GHz_Edit... echPoweUp gives the 7970 Ghz Edition an 8.5 rating
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_GHz_Edit...

TechPoweUp gives the 670 TOP an 10.0 rating, the only 10.0 rating ever
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_670...

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Overall the ASUS GTX 670 Direct CU II is the best card I ever tested.
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August 20, 2012 9:39:11 PM

I don't have money for Asus, but is Gigabyte good?? Oh, and I don't play Elder Scrolls or Fallout !
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August 20, 2012 9:46:50 PM

Meaning that 670 should be equal with 7970=>NVIDIA wins? It has Physx and the drivers are more stable!
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August 20, 2012 9:48:08 PM

Exactly. At least that's my opinion, though some people tend to disagree with it..
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August 20, 2012 9:48:50 PM

I will quote my buddy matto as it makes the most sense to me. Quote: These results are skewed versus other websites. I don't know what happened, but other sites consistently have the GTX 660 Ti beating a 7950 at 1920 resolution.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_660_Ti_Power...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6159/the-geforce-gtx-660-...

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"As it stands, AMD’s position correctly reflects their performance; the GTX 660 Ti is a solid and relatively consistent 10-15% faster than the 7870, while the 7950 is anywhere between a bit faster to a bit slower depending on what benchmarks you favor. Of course when talking about the 7950 the “anything but equal” maxim still applies here, if not more so than with the GTX 670. The GTX 660 Ti is anywhere 50% ahead of the 7950 and 25% behind it, and everywhere in between."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6159/the-geforce-gtx-660-...
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August 20, 2012 9:50:12 PM

In a single GPU environment, I've yet to see any convincing argument that shows that either manufacturer's drivers are "more stable" than the other. I've worked with every series of GPU from both camps for the past 6-7 years and the only major issue I can recall was a corrupt driver provided by Windows update for the 6800 series on Vista x64 that would cause Windows not to boot. Since then, its been gravy for me on both sides.
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August 20, 2012 9:50:49 PM

Its quite confusing that theres so many benchmarks and reviews on the 660ti and none of them seems to be saying the same or roughly the same thing.

If you didnt think the 660ti is a good card and a good contender then amd updating the bios is a sure fire sign. It may be a bit better than the 660ti after the updates etc but the 660ti is still not far off and is a very good capable card.
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August 20, 2012 9:51:29 PM

All it matters is the whole build...Of course every site has its results, that's because they tested it on they're own build...Also, from what I heard, NVIDIA works better with Intel!
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August 20, 2012 9:55:57 PM

Shoulda turn this thread in a discussion...the 7970 is too expensive, but 670 isn't, so I'll stick with the green camp...I think!
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a c 291 U Graphics card
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August 20, 2012 9:59:33 PM

Good choice! You will not be disappointed ;) .
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August 20, 2012 10:00:22 PM

The 670 is a beast!

There has been a "meh" reception of the GTX 660 Ti mostly because it was priced appropriately instead of being priced competitively. If it had been priced at $250 upon release it would have been met with rave reviews.
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August 20, 2012 10:00:49 PM

Sunius said:
Good choice! You will not be disappointed ;) .
+1 :) 
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August 20, 2012 10:36:20 PM

Too bad the 670 TOP cards just disappeared for a while but they already have many 670 styles you can choose from. I agree that if the 660ti would have been priced lower, more reviews would sway saying it would be best performance per dollar amount and not far behind the rest. But I think those prices will drop, maybe not in a month but they will once 7990 comes out.
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August 21, 2012 2:59:01 AM

if nvidia priced GTX660 Ti at $250 they will leave huge hole between GTX660Ti and GTX670.

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But I think those prices will drop, maybe not in a month but they will once 7990 comes out.


when 7990 it might affect 690 price but not the card below it. nvidia might drop the price on GTX660 Ti if amd drops the price on 7870.
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August 21, 2012 3:03:54 AM

I think i may have made my decision to go with the 670 ftw Evga but I just saw reviews on newegg, new ones that said the card was crashing on desktop without running anything.
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August 21, 2012 3:07:28 AM

I don't think so but they were out of stock for a while on newegg. They are in stock now and the first 2 reviews stated that. Also, few others there said the same thing. But everything I read on forums about the Ftw seems great.
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a c 144 U Graphics card
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August 21, 2012 3:07:59 AM

does that happen to every card?
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August 21, 2012 3:08:32 AM

IMPOSSIBLE, Nvidia cards are always perfect. They must be AMD fanboys that are lying trying to skew the Newegg ratings.
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August 21, 2012 3:09:23 AM

^lol
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a c 185 U Graphics card
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August 21, 2012 3:20:31 AM

o.k. so you need to realize that newegg reviews are to be taken with a grain of salt any review written any where without proof and facts to back up what being said are nothing more than blanket statements
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August 21, 2012 3:39:28 PM

Check out the $1000 SBM article today. The processors are different (i5 2400 vs i5 3570K) but you still get the idea (procs don't usually bottleneck gaming anyways). Last month's $1000 machine used an HD 7970 while this month used a GTX 670.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/build-a-pc-overcloc...
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August 21, 2012 3:57:38 PM

Is that case roswill redbone the same thing as the challenger? Or is it bigger on the inside. Mine looks like it but looking at the completed pic, they look like it had more room after installing the Gigabyte 670.
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August 21, 2012 6:29:51 PM

What's the diference between the 3470 and the 3570 non k?
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a b U Graphics card
August 21, 2012 6:40:02 PM

K just means its unlocked core so you can overclock the cpu.
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a c 291 U Graphics card
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August 21, 2012 8:44:59 PM

not much difference between 3470 and 3570, however, 3570k is much better.
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a c 185 U Graphics card
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August 21, 2012 8:48:28 PM

Basically the question is to overclock or not for me overclocking is a must or i don't want nothing to do with it i have a addiction lol
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