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October 15, 2012 3:49:53 AM

Approximate Purchase Date: this week/next week
Budget Range: Total: $1689.87
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, beatmaking, surfing the web, movies
Are you buying a monitor: Yes
Do you need to buy OS: No
Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com, ncix.com, amazon, everything else
Location: California, Micro-Center closed here, can get CPU shipped from a Micro-Center in NY (How do you ship a CPU?)
Parts Preferences: Intel,Nvidia
Overclocking: First Time
SLI or Crossfire: Maybe
Your Preferable Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080, 1920x1200 or better GAMING ON 1 MONITOR
Do are all the parts compatible with each other?I'd like to get the best stuff for all this money, and if I can save, then it's even better.

THE PARTS
CPUIntel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($279.99 @Microcenter)
CPU Cooler:Noctua NH-U12P SE2 54.4 CFM CPU Cooler ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($182.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Z Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Storage:Western Digital RE4 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($91.68 @ Amazon)
Video Card:EVGA GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card ($449.99 @ Newegg)
Case:Cooler Master HAF 922 ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply:SeaSonic 650W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($146.29 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor:Asus VS248H-P 24.0" Monitor ($174.99 @ Newegg) Keyboard:
Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($49.99 @ Newegg) " rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($49.99 @ Newegg) Razer DeathAdder Wired Optical Mouse ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Headphones:Astro A50 Wired ($300 @Astrogaming)
SSD:Samsung 830 256GB ALREADY BOUGHT

Total: $1689.87" target="_blank">
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Wired Optical Mouse ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Headphones:Astro A50 Wired ($300 @Astrogaming)
SSD:Samsung 830 256GB ALREADY BOUGHT

Total: $1689.87

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October 15, 2012 4:22:15 AM

I don't understand the first question.
You ship CPUs the same way you ship anything else. :lol: 

You don't need an i7 for gaming. The i5-3570K performs essentially the same as the i7 in terms of gaming.

Get the Hyper 212 EVO. If you're gonna Noctua, get the NH-D14.

You don't need 16gb of RAM either, 8gb is already more than enough.
Consider low profile versions like the G.Skill Ares.

That's a weirdly overpriced HDD for 500gb.
Since you already have 256gb Samsung 830, you'll only need a storage drive. I suggest the Caviar Green 2tb 5400 RPM.

GPU is overpriced so much. If you want Nvidia, then get the 670.
The 680 only has like 5% more performance.

That PSU is overkill for a single GPU, and insufficient for a 2-way SLI/CF.
Single = 550w; 2-way = 750

Everything else is good to go. :) 

[PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($27.98 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme6 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($38.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Green 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($95.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($399.98 @ NCIX US)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 922 ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 750W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($109.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: Asus VS248H-P 24.0" Monitor ($174.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Wired Optical Mouse ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1411.86
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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October 15, 2012 4:23:56 AM

If he's getting the 670 d'you think he should get a higher wattage PSU? just thinking out loud here.
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October 15, 2012 4:29:14 AM

I covered that in my previous post. :p 

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That PSU is overkill for a single GPU, and insufficient for a 2-way SLI/CF.
Single = 550w; 2-way = 750
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October 15, 2012 4:36:07 AM

Oh darn, just saw that your price included all your headphone monitor jazz. Um.. yeah.
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October 15, 2012 5:22:41 AM

Ok, what about the motherboard? The one I chose was just covered by Tom's and it seems pretty legit
excella1221 said:
I don't understand the first question.
You ship CPUs the same way you ship anything else. :lol: 

You don't need an i7 for gaming. The i5-3570K performs essentially the same as the i7 in terms of gaming.

Get the Hyper 212 EVO. If you're gonna Noctua, get the NH-D14.

You don't need 16gb of RAM either, 8gb is already more than enough.
Consider low profile versions like the G.Skill Ares.

That's a weirdly overpriced HDD for 500gb.
Since you already have 256gb Samsung 830, you'll only need a storage drive. I suggest the Caviar Green 2tb 5400 RPM.

GPU is overpriced so much. If you want Nvidia, then get the 670.
The 680 only has like 5% more performance.

That PSU is overkill for a single GPU, and insufficient for a 2-way SLI/CF.
Single = 550w; 2-way = 750

Everything else is good to go. :) 

[PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($27.98 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme6 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($38.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Green 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($95.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($399.98 @ NCIX US)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 922 ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 750W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($109.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: Asus VS248H-P 24.0" Monitor ($174.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Wired Optical Mouse ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1411.86
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

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October 15, 2012 5:52:01 AM

i thought cpu at microcenter only available by store pick up considering its cheaper price...

get an i5 2500k.. it's cheaper at microcenter... pick 1 up while it's still available.. considering your purpose i don't see why would you pick a i5 3570k over.. unless you want to make use its latest built-in graphics which already makes your graphics card irrelevant should you really put it in use... not to mention intel graphics bested out by amd apu.. should you put that i5 2500k and i5 3570k into overclocking... the difference would only be minimal at best.. what matter is your graphics card which provides significant boost in gaming... since you lean towards nvidia i would suggest 670 over 680 as 680 isn't much faster.. around 5-10% at best.. the margin will be small once you pick up a factory oc'ed 670.. and if you plan to add second card later.. better buy larger psu.. a 850watts will give you more headroom...

http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=75125&vpn=GA-Z77X-UP4-...
Gigabyte Z77X-UP4-TH - $180.5

http://www.microcenter.com/product/354589/Core_i5_2500K...
Core i5 2500K - $160

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 - $20

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Galaxy 67NPH6DV5ZVX GeForce GTX 670 GC - $380

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
LG DVD Burner GH24NS90 - $18

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB CML8GX3M2A1600C9 - $40

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
LG IPS231B-BN - $200

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4 - $50

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAZER DeathAdder - $48

http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=62223&vpn=P1850BNLG9&m...
XFX 850W PRO850W XXX Edition - $120

http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=74462&vpn=WD10EZEX&man...
Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB - $81

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN3-GP - $80

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Logitech G930 USB Connector Circumaural Wireless Gaming Headset - $120

total: $1497.5 after rebate exclude shipping

but if you not going to sli/cfx these are what i recommend though..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
ENERMAX NAXN 82+ ENP650AWT B 650W - $77

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MSI Z77A-G43 - $100
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October 16, 2012 12:19:42 AM

I'm going with this:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/krjE
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($83.24 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UP5 TH ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($239.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($389.98 @ NCIX US)
Case: Antec Nine Hundred ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.98 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional Gold 850W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($180.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($22.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS248H-P 24.0" Monitor ($174.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Razer Blackwidow Ultimate 2013 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($138.99 @ Newegg)
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Wired Optical Mouse ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1714.09
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October 16, 2012 3:22:50 AM

So does that mean you're set to go with all those or you would still like criticisms?
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October 16, 2012 3:54:17 AM

excella1221 said:
So does that mean you're set to go with all those or you would still like criticisms?

No I'm still undecided, I hardly know if all the parts fit together. I followed you're example and I changed the CPU ( I don't trust that someone ships it to me from a Micro-center), the GPU is a Msi Power Edition, I forgot that I also own a Samsung 830 256 GB ($179.99) @ CompUSA,
mobo and power supply seem ok, I'll have to inform myself about the 12V rail for all the parts. I will also want to start overclocking and SLI the GPU's.
The Noctua is compatible, but is the 212 EVO better in this case? I still plan to overclock and I don't mind using the NH-D14
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October 16, 2012 4:21:25 AM

Okay, well you didn't forget to mention the 256gb SSD.
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Since you already have 256gb Samsung 830, you'll only need a storage drive. I suggest the Caviar Green 2tb 5400 RPM.

I took that into consideration when I gave you the build list.
The HDD will only serve as a STORAGE drive. Only your large files, downloads, and stuff you rarely use go here. You don't need it to have a high RPM since your OS and games/software/programs would or should be installed in the SDD.

I suggest you just walk in the Microcenter store for the CPU and motherboard.
They have a CPU+mobo promo bundle that gives a great discount, it saves you around $50.

The Ripjaws X series have tall heat spreaders. This will give you a hard time installing the CPU cooler since the two will conflict, albeit still possible. The Ares I listed doesn't have the tall heat spreader since it serves no real purpose on any RAM running <1.5v, and no performance loss whatsoever.

Get another 670. The MSI is bad for your computer in the long-term. I'll let the link below explain.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/MSI-GTX-660-670-overvolti...

The power supply is great, but you're overpaying for it. You also don't need 850w for a single GPU. If you're gonna 2-way SLI though, it would be fine but still overkill. A 750w would be plenty for that.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=62224&vpn=P1750BNLG9&m...
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=38649&vpn=CMPSU-750HX&...
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=64382&vpn=OCZ-ZT750W&m...

If you're more comfortable with an 850w though, tell me and I'll help you find a cheap but quality unit.
All of the ones I listed above have max amps on the +12v rail for their wattage, so you don't have to worry about that.

Your budget is more than enough for the NH-D14, so keep it. It brings temps alot lower than the 212 EVO.

Would you like a 120Hz refresh rate monitor? It's the way to go since you're gonna SLI the 670.
It also increases your fps cap up to 120 wihout tearing.
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October 16, 2012 6:02:10 AM

excella1221 said:
Okay, well you didn't forget to mention the 256gb SSD.
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Since you already have 256gb Samsung 830, you'll only need a storage drive. I suggest the Caviar Green 2tb 5400 RPM.

I took that into consideration when I gave you the build list.
The HDD will only serve as a STORAGE drive. Only your large files, downloads, and stuff you rarely use go here. You don't need it to have a high RPM since your OS and games/software/programs would or should be installed in the SDD.

I suggest you just walk in the Microcenter store for the CPU and motherboard.
They have a CPU+mobo promo bundle that gives a great discount, it saves you around $50.

The Ripjaws X series have tall heat spreaders. This will give you a hard time installing the CPU cooler since the two will conflict, albeit still possible. The Ares I listed doesn't have the tall heat spreader since it serves no real purpose on any RAM running <1.5v, and no performance loss whatsoever.

Get another 670. The MSI is bad for your computer in the long-term. I'll let the link below explain.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/MSI-GTX-660-670-overvolti...

The power supply is great, but you're overpaying for it. You also don't need 850w for a single GPU. If you're gonna 2-way SLI though, it would be fine but still overkill. A 750w would be plenty for that.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=62224&vpn=P1750BNLG9&m...
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=38649&vpn=CMPSU-750HX&...
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=64382&vpn=OCZ-ZT750W&m...

If you're more comfortable with an 850w though, tell me and I'll help you find a cheap but quality unit.
All of the ones I listed above have max amps on the +12v rail for their wattage, so you don't have to worry about that.

Your budget is more than enough for the NH-D14, so keep it. It brings temps alot lower than the 212 EVO.

Would you like a 120Hz refresh rate monitor? It's the way to go since you're gonna SLI the 670.
It also increases your fps cap up to 120 wihout tearing.

Yes I'd love a 120Hz 3D Monitor, possibly with high resolution so I can use the EVGA GeForce GTX 670 4GB Superclocked+ w/Backplate 04G-P4-2673-KR, since it has 4GB of memory

To get the CPU from Micro-Center I would need a friend of mine pick up it up in NY and send it to CA, I don't feel comfortable. But if I do, then I might as well pick up a Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($279.99 @Microcenter)
Also, what low profile RAM should I get thats (8x2)16GB 1600Mhz
What other 850W power supply were you thinking?
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October 16, 2012 7:26:57 AM

You don't need that much VRAM for a single monitor. 2gb is already plenty.
I won't suggest the EVGA either, it uses reference cooling so it's not gonna be nice with OC and it's gonna bring the GPU's temps really high when on heavy load.

Consider the ones with custom coolers such as Gigabyte's Windforce x3 and ASUS' DirectCU II.

There is no notable difference in gaming performance between the respective i5 and i7. You only need the i7 if you are going to make use of hyperthreading, which is only ever useful on CPU-heavy and multi-threaded activities such as large video renderings. You'll just be wasting money.

Like the i7, you don't need 16gb of RAM either. That's also for heavy CPU tasks. You probably won't even be able to max out 8gb at all.

As for the 850w PSU,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (this one's only 800w, but it has a 20% off promo)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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October 16, 2012 12:40:58 PM

If you really want to spend that $1700. Go for these parts:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($27.05 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V PRO ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($199.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($459.98 @ NCIX US)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 922 ATX Mid Tower Case ($93.89 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional Gold 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS524-T98A DVD/CD Writer ($25.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS248H-P 24.0" Monitor ($174.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Wired Optical Mouse ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Other: Corsair Vengeance 1500 USB Connector Circumaural Dolby 7.1 Gaming Headset ($94.99)
Total: $1669.81
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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October 17, 2012 12:17:21 AM

Nw333 said:
I know the OP likes nVidia, but AMDs cards really beat them up at the moment.

I thought about the 7970 GHz Edition, but the GIGABYTE GV-N670OC-2GD GeForce GTX 670 2GB is already 40$ off and it is more suitable on a 1080p monitor.
excella1221 said:
You don't need that much VRAM for a single monitor. 2gb is already plenty.
I won't suggest the EVGA either, it uses reference cooling so it's not gonna be nice with OC and it's gonna bring the GPU's temps really high when on heavy load.

Consider the ones with custom coolers such as Gigabyte's Windforce x3 and ASUS' DirectCU II.


I'll also get 8Gb of RAM instead of 16
Can I SLI two Windoforce in a GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UP5 TH MOBO?
Also I chose COOLER MASTER HAF 932- 160$ over the Antec Nine Hundred -70$ because of cooling ( bigger fans) and expandability.
Since a single GPU needs 550W, shouldn't I get a 1100W PSU for SLI?
Now I only need to choose a decent gaming headphone, if anyone has any suggestions..
Actual final price for build is 1500$ (lot of coupons and rebates), monitor is 370$
Need to buy some parts tonight for the coupons so let me know!

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kxkX

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($83.24 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UP5 TH ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($239.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($360.00 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 932 Blue ATX Full Tower Case ($164.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 850W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($24.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor: BenQ XL2420T 120Hz 24.0" Monitor ($370.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($93.20 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm QuickFire Rapid Wired Gaming Keyboard ($73.51 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Wired Optical Mouse ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1928.84
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October 17, 2012 2:32:08 AM

Yes, you can SLI them in that motherboard.
That's a great casing. Really though, it's mostly preference and what you need so I usually leave that to the end user.

No hun, that's not how it works. 550w is single GPU+the rest of the system. :lol: 
You only need 750w for 2-way SLI 670. There's already a lot of headroom with that.

Cheaper 120hz monitor. This has a $50 off promo, you'd be crazy not to get it!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (only $199.99 with the promo)

Make sure they send the low profile version of the Vengeance.
I've seen some consumer complaints that Newegg (accidentally) sent the tall ones. :lol: 

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October 17, 2012 2:43:42 AM

excella1221 said:
Yes, you can SLI them in that motherboard.
That's a great casing. Really though, it's mostly preference and what you need so I usually leave that to the end user.

No hun, that's not how it works. 550w is single GPU+the rest of the system. :lol: 
You only need 750w for 2-way SLI 670. There's already a lot of headroom with that.

Cheaper 120hz monitor. This has a $50 off promo, you'd be crazy not to get it!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (only $199.99 with the promo)

Make sure they send the low profile version of the Vengeance.
I've seen some consumer complaints that Newegg (accidentally) sent the tall ones. :lol: 

Yes I've done some extensive research on those, the Benq is the best 120Hz 3D Ready TN monitor on the market, then again, this is 170$ cheaper. Reviews don't seem as good as the Benq though, but in case it's got bad colors I can RMA it.
Last thing is the motherboard: It comes down to personal preference, which has better features.
GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UP5 TH ATX Intel Motherboard or the ASUS P8Z77-V DELUXE ATX Intel Motherboard
The prices for both are the same( I get free RAM with the asus so the price evens out( the other RAM I was getting is about the same price).
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October 17, 2012 3:24:37 AM

The Gigabyte still looks like a better buy to me.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...

The only advantage I can see from the ASUS is it can support up to 2800MHz memory frequency, while the Gigabyte only has a maximum of 1600MHz. I find that very odd how a mid-range board would be that limited to frequency. It may be a typo by Newegg.

The Gigabyte on the otherhand, has a few features the ASUS doesn't, and of course Thunderbolt support. You probably won't need it, but it's nice to have if you're buying these kinds of boards anyway.

EDIT: I guess it really is something Newegg overlooked. The Gigabyte can support up to 2400MHz, albeit OC.
http://www.gigabyte.com.au/products/product-page.aspx?p...
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October 17, 2012 4:40:05 AM

excella1221 said:
Yes, you can SLI them in that motherboard.
That's a great casing. Really though, it's mostly preference and what you need so I usually leave that to the end user.

No hun, that's not how it works. 550w is single GPU+the rest of the system. :lol: 
You only need 750w for 2-way SLI 670. There's already a lot of headroom with that.

Cheaper 120hz monitor. This has a $50 off promo, you'd be crazy not to get it!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (only $199.99 with the promo)

Make sure they send the low profile version of the Vengeance.
I've seen some consumer complaints that Newegg (accidentally) sent the tall ones. :lol: 

I'm getting these:ASUS P8Z77-V DELUXE LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Patriot Gamer 2 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model PGD38G1600ELK
Will order soon thanks ;) 
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October 17, 2012 6:52:11 AM

I don't really get why you asked for my advise/opinion if you were decided on the ASUS anyway. :lol: 

Happy building though! :) 
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October 17, 2012 7:38:33 AM

excella1221 said:
The Gigabyte still looks like a better buy to me.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...

The only advantage I can see from the ASUS is it can support up to 2800MHz memory frequency, while the Gigabyte only has a maximum of 1600MHz. I find that very odd how a mid-range board would be that limited to frequency. It may be a typo by Newegg.

The Gigabyte on the otherhand, has a few features the ASUS doesn't, and of course Thunderbolt support. You probably won't need it, but it's nice to have if you're buying these kinds of boards anyway.

EDIT: I guess it really is something Newegg overlooked. The Gigabyte can support up to 2400MHz, albeit OC.
http://www.gigabyte.com.au/products/product-page.aspx?p...

Sorry, seemed I missed this post. Ill go with gigsbyte because it has div support which is good since I'll use the monitor's dual link Dvi to run 3D. Ill try to find a 2400 oc ram.
The case is what is still bothering me though, looked through the Silverstone ft02, thermaltake lvl 10, nzxt phantom 420, but I can't seem to find a case(possibly full tower) that's got good airflow, features, and that is made of quality parts.
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October 17, 2012 8:26:28 AM

No. You don't need that much RAM frequency. I just pointed out that mobo supports it. :lol: 

About the casing, check these out.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...

See if any of them appeal to you and their features.
I would personally get either the HAF-X or the Blackhawk ULTRA.
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October 17, 2012 5:22:13 PM

The ultra has more fans, but I wonder if I need that many with the windforce, even in SLI. The Haf x supports quad sli if I ever need one, t mentions SLI cooling, will I need one for the Windifforce?

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October 17, 2012 11:31:42 PM

The Ultra is actually a Super Tower at the price of a full tower, it can also support 4-way SLI.

No, the Windforce is enough for the GPU.
If you're gonna add a 2nd card in the future, just get the Gigabyte again.
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October 18, 2012 2:11:32 AM

excella1221 said:
The Ultra is actually a Super Tower at the price of a full tower, it can also support 4-way SLI.

No, the Windforce is enough for the GPU.
If you're gonna add a 2nd card in the future, just get the Gigabyte again.

This will be the never ending thread.
I'm in a shared apt., will go to live in dorms in 1 yr or so, I need a case that I can put on a desk and have space, is noob-proof, great cooling and cable routing, premium case. Never had a full tower, is it really that big of an annoyance ergonomics-wise?
Is thunderbolt worth it? I'm picking the UP5 because ASUS P8Z77 doesnt support the 3D monitor's dual link DVI.
Is there another card around the price of the two?
ASRock Extreme6? I heard Gigabyte has the best mobos and support
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October 18, 2012 2:32:27 AM

Lol, don't worry. I've handled threads before that reached 70+ posts.
I'm only doing this is in my break time anyway, so you're not really keeping me. :lol: 

Thunderbolt isn't really needed. It's more of a luxury, or if you *HAVE* the workload enough to make use of it.

The Extreme6 is a great mid-range board.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/z77-extreme6-z77a-g...

Gigabyte has been in the business longer, so they have top of the line motherboards in terms of quality. They're currently rank 2 on top mobo distributors.
ASRock is still fairly new to the scene but has made its way to top 3 fairly quick and efficient. They're also known for selling feature-rich boards on cheap prices.

Well you did (ask) for a full-tower. :lol: 
If you're gonna move alot and space is also a factor, you're better off with a good mid-tower.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...|11-129-097^11-129-097-TS%2C11-119-197^11-119-197-TS%2C11-119-257^11-119-257-TS%2C11-147-107^11-147-107-TS
I would personally get the Blackhawk.
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October 18, 2012 2:59:48 AM

+1 to pretty much everything Excella has told you in this thread, you are getting excellent advice.

Just a couple notes: I agree that thunderbolt is a non-issue. Unless you have very specific plans already for a thunderbolt device, then it is very unlikely you will need it. Don't spend the extra money on it.

Also, it sounds like you are looking at the video outputs on the motherboards to make your decision, and this is also a non-issue. The video outputs (like the DVI) on the motherboard are only for the integrated CPU graphics, which are not very powerful and you will not be using. Instead, you are going to be hooking up your monitor/TV directly to your Gigabyte Windforce GTX 670. The video ports on the motherboard itself will not be used at all.

Full towers like the HAF X are really quite beastly, you wouldn't want it sitting on top of a desk. For midtowers, I would look at the ones Excella has linked, as well as the Corsair Carbide 500R (also comes in black), the Antec Eleven Hundred, and the NZXT Phantom 410 (also comes in a bunch of different color options).
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October 18, 2012 6:00:17 AM

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+1 to pretty much everything Excella has told you in this thread, you are getting excellent advice. Full towers like the HAF X are really quite beastly, you wouldn't want it sitting on top of a desk. For midtowers, I would look at the ones Excella has linked, as well as the Corsair Carbide 500R (also comes in black), the Antec Eleven Hundred, and the NZXT Phantom 410 (also comes in a bunch of different color options).
Yes he has given me great advice! how stupid of me I knew that (video ports), but that's what happens when you have never built a PC, in fact I'm going to tone down the parts I need. I'll go with mid. Phantom is cool but has plastic, Carbide seems like a really good choice. What about a Silverstone FT02? Anandtech said it is an excellent case both in terms of cooling and noise level. Only problem is that cable routing is tricky because of the mobo layout ( I
d have to look into extensions etc), and for a noob like me I'm probably better off with a standard case. What about the Blackhawk Excella mentioned?Oh, and what I wrote to excella applies to you too ;) 

excella1221 said:

Thunderbolt isn't really needed. It's more of a luxury, or if you *HAVE* the workload enough to make use of it.
The Extreme6 is a great mid-range board.
http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] 87-22.html
Well you did (ask) for a full-tower. :lol: 
If you're gonna move alot and space is also a factor, you're better off with a good mid-tower.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 147-107-TS
I would personally get the Blackhawk.
What I need out of a mobo is enough connections for ssd/hdd (took me 2 yrs to fill a 250GB so I wont need many), 2waySLI, great cooling and overclocking, some features(wifi/bluetooth). OK FOUND IT ASUS P8Z77-V PRO , comes with free 8gb, so i save 30 on mobo and 40 on memory! Ironically, I can get the same model with Thunderbolt for 10 more lol.
I decided to just get what I really need, in fact the first build you mentioned know seems to be in the perfect range. So what else is superfluous in my case? I should lower the PSU to 750W, what about cpu cooler? I really like the noctua and i get it 20$off. Still, I can always take advantage and go with the good stuff since I'm only paying half :) 
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($83.24 @ Amazon)
Motherboard:
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($360.00 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair Carbide/blackhawk/phantom410/antecninehundred?
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 850W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($24.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor: BenQ XL2420T 120Hz 24.0" Monitor ($370.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($93.20 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm QuickFire Rapid Wired Gaming Keyboard ($73.51 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Wired Optical Mouse ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1928.84
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October 18, 2012 7:04:17 AM

If you were referring to me, that's not exactly the first build I mentioned. :p 

Yes, again you don't need 850w for a 670. Even with SLI in mind.

Noctua is pretty much top of the line in terms of air coolers. The only thing I have in mind that could possibly match the Noctua or even outperform it is the Silver Arrow.

The ASUS PRO sounds a good deal right now with the free RAM, so take it.
If the promo passes, you can always just get the much cheaper ASRock or Gigabyte counterparts. A discrete wi-fi card costs like ~$15 and performs better than an integrated one anyway.

Really though, just pick the case your instinct wants. Those suggested above by me and ckholt83 will serve you well and has everything you need.

I still think you should grab the ACER monitor before the $50 off promo ends. $170 saved is no joke. You can get the 7970 GHz that outperforms the 670 and 680 that way and still have money to burn.

P.S - I'm not a "he". :lol: 
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October 18, 2012 8:08:07 AM

excella1221 said:
If you were referring to me, that's not exactly the first build I mentioned. :p 

Yes, again you don't need 850w for a 670. Even with SLI in mind.

Noctua is pretty much top of the line in terms of air coolers. The only thing I have in mind that could possibly match the Noctua or even outperform it is the Silver Arrow.

The ASUS PRO sounds a good deal right now with the free RAM, so take it.
If the promo passes, you can always just get the much cheaper ASRock or Gigabyte counterparts. A discrete wi-fi card costs like ~$15 and performs better than an integrated one anyway.

Really though, just pick the case your instinct wants. Those suggested above by me and ckholt83 will serve you well and has everything you need.

I still think you should grab the ACER monitor before the $50 off promo ends. $170 saved is no joke. You can get the 7970 GHz that outperforms the 670 and 680 that way and still have money to burn.
P.S - I'm not a "he". :lol: 
I was going to click best answer and end this ( time yourself scrolling down this page on a smartphone :)  ), but you keep giving me ideas! The ghz ed Is like choosing 680 over 670 and it need aftermarket cooling. Thus, running crosswise will be tight situation with 2 gpu coolers there provably is nt any clearance.As for the monitor, it is kinda buggy, and reviews aren't great. The more expensive Benq is also LED and is way more consistent.then again I'll see if I'm going overboard. It isn't IPS after all( not that it matters so much). Oh, and I was wondering if you were a guy or not, you're way to nice and patient :) !
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October 18, 2012 8:11:35 AM

You don't need an aftermarket GPU cooler if you pick a GHz card that has a custom cooler, which is nearly every GHz out there. :p 
Best ones would be - again the Windforce x3 from Gigabyte, but this time since it's AMD, we have Sapphire's Vapor-X, and XFX's Double D. :D 

Also, there are no 120Hz monitors that are IPS, if I'm not mistaken.
We can't always get the best of both worlds. :lol: 
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October 18, 2012 9:45:45 AM

I've never built in an FT02 myself, but from what I hear they are pretty phenomenal. They are also pricey though, and quite large as well if I'm not mistaken. I imagine you wouldn't want it on your desk.

Pretty much any/all of the midtowers we've linked should be good options, don't fret too much about picking the 'right' one. They all have good features and cooling and build quality, so like Excella said, at this point just grab the one with the aesthetic appearance you like best.

I have a personal preference for nvidia cards, but there's no denying that the 7970 is a great performer. There aren't any 7970 GHz editions with reference coolers that I know of, they all have custom cooling solutions. If you're going the AMD route, I'd agree with Excella (again) that the Gigabyte Windforce is the model to go with. You don't need anything extra for it, the card has all the cooling power it requires to stay both quiet and frosty.

Since you have a 256 GB SSD already, you don't need your secondary storage drive to be an expensive 'high performance' WD Caviar Black. Since that drive won't see a lot of use and won't be storing your primary apps, you'd probably be better off saving some money and also cutting down on your power bill by getting a 'Green' drive instead: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63571&vpn=WD10EARX&man...
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October 18, 2012 12:32:14 PM

^Why thank you for reinforcing the 2tb 5400RPM Caviar Green suggestion! I actually put it in the build I gave above, but he didn't consider it! :lol: 

My personal favorite is actually the Vapor-X. :p  but yeah, the Gigabyte is great too.
And let's not forget MSI's Twin Frozr/Lightning, though I won't suggest the Lightning since it's heavily overpriced.
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October 18, 2012 1:08:54 PM

^Dem Vapor-X always out of stock. :( 
MSI Lightning editions are made for those extreme overclocking wiith LN2 and the like.

+1 to all the advice given. Great job guys. :D 
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October 19, 2012 3:23:46 AM

Im going with Nvidia, Ghz Edition might be worth it but then again it is like a 680, which in turn is slightly better than 670. Also, I would need to find another monitor since the one I chose supports Nvidia 3D vision and not AMD's. I'd also loose on amd gpu features on an intel cpu, and AMD's 3D is not as good as Nvidia's, more titles,been around longer etc.
This is the best monitor review site I found, if interested: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/benq_xl2420t.htm
I also picked the WD Green :) 
CASES
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...
Top choice: C70 and Carbide 500( its on sale so I'm leaning towards it, still the C70 is super cool!)
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October 19, 2012 4:20:23 AM

heizenbrg said:
Im going with Nvidia, Ghz Edition might be worth it but then again it is like a 680, which in turn is slightly better than 670. Also, I would need to find another monitor since the one I chose supports Nvidia 3D vision and not AMD's. I'd also loose on amd gpu features on an intel cpu, and AMD's 3D is not as good as Nvidia's, more titles,been around longer etc.
This is the best monitor review site I found, if interested: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/benq_xl2420t.htm
I also picked the WD Green :) 
CASES
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...
Top choice: C70 and Carbide 500( its on sale so I'm leaning towards it, still the C70 is super cool!)


i like the c70 as well.. ecspecially the way the both hard drive cages can be removed and mounted.. you can removed the bottom cage and retained the upper 1.. for installation for 240mm rad.. more water cooling friendly case without modding..
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October 19, 2012 6:43:33 AM

Best answer selected by heizenbrg.
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