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October 17, 2012 2:35:32 PM

I want PC for long run...maybe 4-5 years. I made 2 PC's myself so check it out

PC1:

MB: AsRock B75 PRO-m3 = 60e
CPU: i5-3450 = 160e
GPU: HD 7850 2GB Sapphire Edition = 190e
PSU: Seasonic SS-380W = 55e
CASE: Cooler Master 690 II Basic = 66e
HDD: 1TB Toshiba 7200rpm 32MB = 65e
RAM: 1x8GB Kingston Hyper X = 35e
DVD reader: Samsung = 15e
The Total: 646e

PC2:

MB: Gigabyte Z77 DSH3 = 85e
CPU: i5-3570k = 190e
GPU: HD 7850 2GB Sapphire Edition = 190e
PSU: Seasonic SS-380W = 55e
CASE: Cooler Master 690 II Basic = 66e
HDD: 1TB Toshiba 7200rpm 32MB = 65e
RAM: 1x8GB Kingston Hyper X = 35e
DVD reader: Samsung = 15e
The Total: 701e

With First PC i will not gonna overclock because its not "K" and that's why i chose B75 Board. With Second PC i will be overclocking when warranty pass. 3 more questions:
1) Can Seasonic SS-380W power this 2 PC with overclocking and not overclocking? Or i need 500W for longer run?
2) What about Cooler Master 690 II Basic is it good? Can you give some good reviews of it?
3) My budget will be 660-680e but maybe i will be able to squize 700?

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October 17, 2012 2:38:44 PM

EDIT: I will use PC mostly for gaming so CPU doesn't matter much in that case between i5-3450 and i5-3570k. Maybe i will gain 10FPS more from overclocking i5-3570k.
October 17, 2012 3:36:37 PM

Since you wanna hang on to this for a while, i would get the 3570k to give yourself a little more life out of it. Check out this build, its very similar. I think you will really like this build. If you need to shave some off, just drop the CPU cooler, but I recommend getting one before you start to overclock it too much.
BTW- 380 is cutting it very close. I will include a 430 watt.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/uk/p/kAln
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/uk/p/kAln/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/uk/p/kAln/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£167.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£26.65 @ Scan.co.uk)

Motherboard: ASRock Z75 Pro3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£75.65 @ Amazon UK)

Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£30.90 @ CCL Computers)

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£49.98 @ Ebuyer)

Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£76.94 @ Scan.co.uk)

Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card (£183.34 @ Scan.co.uk)

Case: Zalman Z9 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case (£43.99 @ Dabs)

Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply (£36.18 @ Ebuyer)

Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer

Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer (£11.96 @ Scan.co.uk)

Total: £703.58

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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October 17, 2012 3:50:50 PM

In my country there is no Corsair, Antec, PC power and cooling.. it just has Seasonic, Cooler Master and ThermalTake(I consider them like better brands) Also i can get Seasonic 500ET 500W for 60e.. or Seasonic SS-520W for 78e. What about cooler master case i mentioned? Its a bit expensive do.
October 17, 2012 4:02:00 PM

Seasonic is one of the best psu makers in the world. I recommend getting the 520w version at least.
October 17, 2012 4:27:14 PM

The 500 watt seasonic would be enough. It's definitely not worth the extra 18e for 20 more watts.
The case you have above is a good case, and you should be okay.
October 17, 2012 5:06:50 PM

The next generation of cpu's from intel will be haswell next year. It will require a new socker/motherboard and be perhaps 10% better in price performance.
Expect that same 10% improvement to show up over the next 4-5 years.

Similarly, expect to see better price performance from graphics cards starting next year and so on.

What you need for gaming will not accelerate as quickly. Game developers want the largest possible audience for their products. They will want to keep the requirements for games at the lowest level possible.

Today, the 3450 and 3570K can drive graphics configurations that are perhaps 4 times stronger than the 7850. For the minimal difference in price, you are better off with the 3570K and a Z77 based motherboard. I think it is unlikely that you would need to change it out before your 4-5 year time frame.

On the graphics side, I can easily see a change in graphics power before then.

To prepare for that, I would buy a stronger psu up front. At least in the 550-600w range.
That is sufficient to power a GTX680. I do not expect any single future card to exceed that power requirement. A psu will draw only the wattage demanded of it, regardless of it's maximum capability.
Of the brands you have access to, Seasonic is by far the outstanding quality pick. I would pay a premium for Seasonic.

One other point.
8gb of ram is good. No game uses more than 2-3gb by itself.
But, I would buy a 8gb kit of 2 x 4gb instead. That will allow the faster dual channel operation.
speel does not matter much 1333 or 1600 is OK. No value in faster.
October 17, 2012 5:43:48 PM

white90dragon said:
I want PC for long run...maybe 4-5 years. I made 2 PC's myself so check it out

PC1:

MB: AsRock B75 PRO-m3 = 60e
CPU: i5-3450 = 160e
GPU: HD 7850 2GB Sapphire Edition = 190e
PSU: Seasonic SS-380W = 55e
CASE: Cooler Master 690 II Basic = 66e
HDD: 1TB Toshiba 7200rpm 32MB = 65e
RAM: 1x8GB Kingston Hyper X = 35e
DVD reader: Samsung = 15e
The Total: 646e

PC2:

MB: Gigabyte Z77 DSH3 = 85e
CPU: i5-3570k = 190e
GPU: HD 7850 2GB Sapphire Edition = 190e
PSU: Seasonic SS-380W = 55e
CASE: Cooler Master 690 II Basic = 66e
HDD: 1TB Toshiba 7200rpm 32MB = 65e
RAM: 1x8GB Kingston Hyper X = 35e
DVD reader: Samsung = 15e
The Total: 701e

With First PC i will not gonna overclock because its not "K" and that's why i chose B75 Board. With Second PC i will be overclocking when warranty pass. 3 more questions:
1) Can Seasonic SS-380W power this 2 PC with overclocking and not overclocking? Or i need 500W for longer run?
2) What about Cooler Master 690 II Basic is it good? Can you give some good reviews of it?
3) My budget will be 660-680e but maybe i will be able to squize 700?



The PSU is MUCH too small. Other than that I don't see where either will outlast the other technologically although I doubt either will last 5 years.
October 17, 2012 10:17:59 PM

I saw that both i5-34450 and i5-3570k got integrated graphic cards in processor. Can you find me good and cheap mobo that i will be able to use that integrated card and to overclock CPU? Also in many cheaper(60-90e) mobo's i saw that they support Crossfire... they have 2x16PCI i think.. So can it run CF and scale good? By the way then i will need a good PSU.. What you think about this two PSU's.. what Cards they can run (single and multi card solution)
620W Cooler Master Silent PRO M2 = 93e
620W SS-Seasonic gb = 104e
October 17, 2012 10:18:47 PM

EDIT: i miss typed "i5-3450"
October 17, 2012 11:37:54 PM

Personally, I think over clocking and multiple GPUs is a huge pissing contest. Much spent for little gain. Spend the money on an oversize PSU. You won't be sorry. Seasonic is best. Any MB that can use an i5 can use the integrated graphics.
October 18, 2012 2:11:07 PM

Then i will just go for i5-3450, HD 7870 and B75 board with 500W Seasonic PSU... it will be 650e. So you say if i go with i5-3570k, HD 7870, Z77 board and 500W i will only see little improvements but it cost 60e more.... I can save 60e which is not small amount in my country.. What you think on that opinion? When i5-3450 start to be old for like 3 years from now so it will i5-3570k. Only difference is overclocking which i don't know how to use and HD4000 over HD2500.. I also wonder if i can use integrated graphic card for while and i can save some more money on a better GPU like GTX 670 is that good choice? But probably for that time i5-3570k will run better because better IGP. And is B75 board able to overclock i5-3570k? Thanks
October 18, 2012 2:26:05 PM

Try to use a Z77 based motherboard if you have the slightest thought that you might want a "K" suffix cpu in the future.
The reason is that a Z77 based motherboard will allow multiplier overclocking that can greatly increase your cpu power.
simple BCLK overclocking is very limited. Other possible chipsets are P67, Z68, and Z75.
Here is what you get with each:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1155
October 18, 2012 3:35:30 PM

geofelt said:
Try to use a Z77 based motherboard if you have the slightest thought that you might want a "K" suffix cpu in the future.
The reason is that a Z77 based motherboard will allow multiplier overclocking that can greatly increase your cpu power.
simple BCLK overclocking is very limited. Other possible chipsets are P67, Z68, and Z75.
Here is what you get with each:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1155



Sorry, but I think it's an exaggeration to say that OCing an i5 will "greatly increase your cpu power". Certainly there will be improvements but probably not more than 10% and any improvements will be at the expense of adding extra cooling, possibly water cooling if more than 10% improvements are desired. Remember, we're talking here about a time frame several years from now. There will certainly be stronger hardware to spend money on just as there is today. Would you spend money to update a P4 today? I doubt it.
October 18, 2012 4:35:13 PM

I see that Z77 board has most features then any other LGA1155 motherboard. I also what some benchmarks for HD2500 and HD4000 from i5 processors so i can see difference.. I want benchmarks of IGP because like i said maybe il'l get CPU and use his IGP for some months and then save money for GTX 670 over HD 7870 so i will be more future proof. Also to note that for i5-3450 system with B75 i need to pay 447e and for i5-3570k system with Z77 i will need 490e so difference is about 40e. And i need suggestion on this two cases for my build. It will fit all parts well? i will save 30e more if i get one of this two cases http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?S=1308&ID=19...
http://www.lc-power.de/index.php?id=369
Note: Both are 35e but Cooler Master 690 II Basic is 66e so 30e save here. Thanks
October 18, 2012 9:40:02 PM

ram1009 said:
Sorry, but I think it's an exaggeration to say that OCing an i5 will "greatly increase your cpu power". Certainly there will be improvements but probably not more than 10% and any improvements will be at the expense of adding extra cooling, possibly water cooling if more than 10% improvements are desired. Remember, we're talking here about a time frame several years from now. There will certainly be stronger hardware to spend money on just as there is today. Would you spend money to update a P4 today? I doubt it.


The stock clock rate of a 3570K is 3.4. An overclock to 4.3 using decent air cooling in a decent case is to be expected. As an anecdotal example, that is what I actually got.
That is a 25% improvement, which I consider significant.
I would doubt that any chip will not reach 4.0, and some proportion will do better than 4.5.
October 19, 2012 11:57:28 AM

geofelt said:
The stock clock rate of a 3570K is 3.4. An overclock to 4.3 using decent air cooling in a decent case is to be expected. As an anecdotal example, that is what I actually got.
That is a 25% improvement, which I consider significant.
I would doubt that any chip will not reach 4.0, and some proportion will do better than 4.5.

i5-3570k @ 4.5GHz have 25% improvement on i5-3450 or i5-3570k stock? Can you give me some game benchmarks with i5-3450,i5-3570k @stock and overclocked i5-3570k to 4.5GHz. So that i can see what's improvement. Please?
October 19, 2012 2:30:21 PM

For games, the graphics card is all important.
With anything less than a top end graphics card like a GTX670, a i3-3450/i5-3570K at stock will drive your graphics card to sufficiently high levels.

The i5-3450 runs @ 3.1 stock, and that is sufficient, at least until you want more, and have a strong graphics card.
If you are planning for the long run, a 3570K will cost perhaps 18% more up front.
But...with a normal overclock, you will get about 35% better cpu capability compared to a stock i5-3450.
In the long run, that might be important to you.
I doubt that you will see any stronger cpu's becoming available for socket 1155.
Socket 1155 will be superceeded by haswell socket 1150 next year.
Do not worry about overclocking a "K". It is no more than changing the multiplier in the bios from the default from 34 to 40 or whatever. No more difficult than changing the default boot order in the bios.

The integrated HD2500 graphics might be the equivalent of a $50 graphics card.
Suitable for games without fast action and HD movie playback. HD 4000 is a bit stronger, perhaps in the $65 category.
A game like civ4 would play fine. with either.
I would support a strategy that started with using integrated graphics.
That would give you some idea of what you need for a strong graphics card.
If you will always use integrated graphics, then the amd offerings are stronger in graphics, but weaker in cpu.

Lastly, While you are looking 4-5 years out, that may not be the best strategy.
New pc tech is becoming faster and cheaper every year.
I think it is best to buy what you need today...today.
Tomorrow, if your needs change, sell the old and replace with the new.
October 19, 2012 3:34:52 PM

Thanks for reply. By the way how much you paid your P8P67-M Pro board?
October 19, 2012 4:38:57 PM

I can oc my 2500k by 10% on stock cooling but my computer is wierd... but It doesn't matter for gaming most games are gpu intensive and the few that aren't isn't worth the 60e for the performance gains. You may want to look at getting 2 4GB sticks instead of 1 8GB stick
October 19, 2012 6:08:10 PM

white90dragon said:
Thanks for reply. By the way how much you paid your P8P67-M Pro board?

You know, I can't remember what I paid.
I was an early adopter of sandy bridge, using a 2600K, and I wanted a M-ATX format with the ability to overclock.
At the time, the only option was P67, and asus was the only one who made such a motherboard.
It worked well. When the sata bug emerged, Asus had an exchange program, and sent me a rev 3.0 motherboard(secured with a credit card). It was a painless process to transfer my parts to the new motherboard.

One of the plusses, at least in theory, was the ability to run sli. In actuality, that never took place. dual cards on a M-ATX motherboard means that the two cards will be adjacent, causing heat problems for the top card. Also, my graphics upgrade needs were well satisfied with a GTX680.

Today, there are several vendors of M-ATX Z77 based motherboards from which to choose. No doubt at lower prices than I paid because of competition.
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