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October 18, 2012 11:12:37 PM

This is my first build. Before this I have bought prebuilt or customized pcs. I did some research and am starting to figure out exactly what I want in a computer. I use it for a wide range of things. From video games to video editing to web design. I need a computer that can be fast, lots of room, and run many things at once.

Here is a list of parts I am thinking about getting:

Processor: Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I73770K
( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... )

Motherboard: ASUS Maximus IV Extreme-Z LGA 1155 Intel Z68 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Extended ATX Intel Motherboard
( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... OR http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... (includes OS) )

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL10Q-32GBXL
( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... )

Video Cards (x2): SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity (100315L )
( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... )

Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda XT ST32000641AS 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... )

Power Supply: CORSAIR HX Series HX1050 1050W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... )

Optical Drive: LG Black 14X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 5X DVD-RAM 12X BD-ROM 4MB Cache SATA BDXL Blu-Ray Burner with SW, 3D Play Back - BH14NS40
( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... )

Full Tower Case: COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case
( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... )

Card Reader: Rosewill RDCR-11003 74-in-1 USB3.0 3.5" Internal Card Reader w/USB Port
( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... )

Wi-Fi Card: Rosewill RNX-G300EX Wireless Card IEEE 802.11b/g PCI Up to 54Mbps Data Rates 64/128bit WEP WPA WPA2 802.1x, 802.11i, AES, TKIP with 100cm cable external 2 dBi Antenna
( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... )



Please let me know if this system will work, if there is a compatibility problem, or if it seems solid. Also, if there is a way to make it cheaper with the same ability, I would appreciate any suggestions. Also if I am missing anything please let me know (I was thinking about adding a sound card as well, but it is not mandatory at first, and I know I can add it later). Thanks for any help you guys can give.

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a b B Homebuilt system
October 18, 2012 11:33:49 PM

A few things that jump out at me right away:

You picked out a Z68 motherboard from last generation, you probably want a Z77 instead. You could also save a pretty hefty chunk of change by opting for a less expensive board unless there are features on the Maximus that you absolutely MUST have.

Depending on how serious you are about your video editing, 32GB of RAM may very well be overkill. You could potentially just start with 16GB for now and then pop in another pair of sticks later only if you find you are actually hitting that limit.

I wouldn't SLI a pair of 6850s to start out. I'd probably go with a single 7970 GHz edition or a GTX 670 and see if it's sufficient for your needs, and only add another one later if you find it necessary.

That power supply is massive overkill. Even if you wanted to run a pair of 7970GHz edition cards in SLI, you'd be fine with a 750-800W PSU at most. You can definitely save some money there.

You almost definitely want an SSD, and I would put money saved from elsewhere into that.
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a b B Homebuilt system
October 18, 2012 11:43:03 PM

The build that you've put together will work (and well) but I think you should allocate your funds a little differently.

First, don't get the i7 CPU unless you have a good reason to buy it instead of the i5. Just wanting your computer to be faster is really not enough of a reason to buy the i7 because the increase in speed is not great.

Second, that motherboard is much more expensive than really necessary. Unless you're trying to go for an extreme overclock. The ASUS P8Z77-V is a very good board with all of the most essential features including built in Wi-fi. Again unless the motherboard you've selected has a feature that you want that the Asus board I recommended doesn't have then there is really no reason to buy it.

Third, if you're routinely editing very large video or image files (like RAW files from a full frame camera) then stick with 32GB. Otherwise 16GB is enough.

Fourth, I would avoid crossfire unless you've used it before and are comfortable with it. There are lots of problems with crossfire (games often don't work when they first come out) that I prefer to avoid. I would recommend a HD 7870 or 7950 instead. See Tom's Guide to Best Graphics Card for the Money for more information. In general, I would recommend getting a better graphics card to complement the rest of your build. Look at the Nvidia GTX 670.

Fifth, I would get a SSD paired with a mechanical hard drive. The best SSDs right now are Samsung, Crucial, and Intel. Pick the size you want (a common size is 128gb) and pair it with a mechanical drive of your choice.

Sixth, you don't need a PSU that large to power the components of your build. 650w will be more than enough.

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October 18, 2012 11:46:35 PM

What ckholt83 said, plus

You could probably save some money getting a i5 3570K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If you're planning on overclocking with that board, you need a cooler. If you're not planning an overclock, then get a cheaper board.

I'd definitely get an SSD, at least for your system drive and then a large storage drive.

Also, what's your absolute budget? Can you go over a bit for something a little more put together or do you need to stay in that relative range?
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a b B Homebuilt system
October 18, 2012 11:55:17 PM

Based on my above post, I'd recommend this build:

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($31.24 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($174.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($104.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($81.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($389.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 650D ATX Mid Tower Case ($157.61 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($80.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($74.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $1391.76
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October 18, 2012 11:58:20 PM

Ok so basically what I am hearing is to start smaller... i5 vs i7. Smaller mother board, 1 great video card vs 2 good ones, 1 SSD for the system drive (for speed) and keep the other one for storage. And downgrade my powersupply (which is my biggest concern since I want to add on to it later when I get more money).

Thank you everyone. I will check these out and get back to you for more input!
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a b B Homebuilt system
October 19, 2012 12:06:36 AM

ballplyr86 said:
Ok so basically what I am hearing is to start smaller... i5 vs i7. Smaller mother board, 1 great video card vs 2 good ones, 1 SSD for the system drive (for speed) and keep the other one for storage. And downgrade my powersupply (which is my biggest concern since I want to add on to it later when I get more money).

Thank you everyone. I will check these out and get back to you for more input!



Exactly. Jsrudd just posted a great build using those guidelines. It would be helpful to know your budget limitations though and whether you plan to overclock, some further tweaks could be made.

Again, depending on how heavily you are into the video editing, the i7 is a good for serious productivity, whereas the i5 is pretty much equivalent to the i7 for gaming. So depending on how much you do of each will determine which is the better choice.

Being able to store the files you're editing on the SSD is also a big help, so I'd actually go larger than 128GB if your budget can support it.

For PSU, a 750-800W is probably the most you will ever need and still gives you plenty of headroom to add in a second video card or additional drives, etc.
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October 19, 2012 1:37:26 AM

Ok guys so here we go. Thank for all your suggestions and help. So I took some (most) of your suggestions. I liked most of what Jsrudd gave me, but I also want it to look nice, so here is what I am thinking now...

Tower: Thermaltake Chaser MK-1 VN300M1W2N No PS Full Tower Case (Black)
http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Chaser-VN300M1W2N-Tow...

Processor: Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mother Board: ASUS P8Z77-V LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Fan: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler with 120mm PWM Fan (RR-212E-20PK-R2)
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005O65JXI/?tag=pcpapi-20

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series either 32GB or 16GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...(Desktop%20Memory)-_-G.SKILL-_-20231315&AID=10440897&PID=3938566&SID=

SSD: Crucial 128 GB m4 2.5-Inch Solid State Drive SATA 6Gb/s CT128M4SSD2
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004W2JKZI/?tag=pcpapi-20

HD: Western Digital 1 TB WD Blue SATA III 7200 RPM 64 MB Cache Bulk/OEM Desktop Hard Drive
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0088PUEPK/?tag=pcpapi-20

Video Card: EVGA 02G-P4-2678-KR GeForce GTX 670 FTW 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Power Supply: CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX650 V2 650W ATX12V v2.31/ EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC High Performance Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Optical Drive: LG Black 14X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 5X DVD-RAM 12X BD-ROM 4MB Cache SATA BDXL Blu-ray Burner,3D Play Back (WH14NS40) - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Card Reader: Rosewill RDCR-11003 74-in-1 USB3.0 3.5" Internal Card Reader w/USB Port
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This should get be between 1450 to 1550 (Which is about my limit). What do you guys think?
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a b B Homebuilt system
October 19, 2012 1:47:02 AM

That's looking a lot better. Are you planning to overclock? If not, you can save another $30 or so by getting a locked processor like the 3470.

Might still be able to save some money on the motherboard. Also you don't need to spend $410 to get a 670. Right now TigerDirect has one on sale for $335 here.
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a b B Homebuilt system
October 19, 2012 2:54:42 AM

-3770k is absolutely the right choice for video editing. The i5 is almost as fast but the i5 doesn't have hyperthreading. You won't need HT for gaming but you will for video editing.

-If ya wanna spend $300ish on a MoBo, I'd get the Asus P8Z77 WS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mostly I use the Sabertooth and Pro
$240 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$210 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Can save $13 of the price difference buying the combo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

-AMD GFX for video editing ? No CUDA ! No CUDA !
http://www.elitebastards.com/index.php?option=com_conte...
http://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/PremiereCS5....

The 670 is the 'sweet spot" right now .... here's some comparisons:

Asus 670 TOP - 10.0 rating
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_670...

Gigabyte Windforce SC 670 - 9.8 rating
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gigabyte/GeForce_GTX...

MSI Twin Frozr IV 670 - 9.7 rating
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_670_Power_Ed...

Palit Jetsteram 670 - 9.7 rating
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Palit/GeForce_GTX_67...

Zotac AMP 670 - 9.6 rating
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_67...

http://www.guru3d.com/article/evga-geforce-gtx-670-sc-r...
EVGA SC Boost Clock is 1046 outta the box....stable at 1200 Mhz
EVGA SC gets 3DMark Score of 8691 outta the box and 9443 OC'd
Idle temp is 29C / load temp is 78C
Noise is 37 dBA Idle / 43 dBA under load

http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-geforce-gtx-670-dire...
Asus TOP Boost Clock is 1137 outta the box .... stable at 1280 Mhz
Asus gets 3DMark Score of 9340 outta the box and 9839 OC'd
Idle temp is 30C / load temp is 72C
Noise is 37 dBA Idle / 38 dBA under load

That makes the Asus 7% faster outta the box than the EVGA SC, 6C cooler and almost 1/4 as loud under load (every 3 dBA is a doubling of sound level). The FTW is slightly faster than the SC, leaving the Asus model w/ just a 5% performance advantage

-XT is Perfect choice for HD and video editing .... fastest 7200 rpm drive available. Do not consider "color" (green / blue)drives for performance applications.

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

Quote:
the Barracuda XT series offers the best performance available from a 7200 RPM mechanical storage device.


http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
-The HX series from Corsair is excellent, except for the 1000 (8.0 rating) and 1050 (8.5 rating) which are dogs. Get the HX850 (10.0 jonnyguru rating) if ya think ya might SLI two cards in the future ... other wise 650 watts is fine. If ya not going to OC, you can save some money with the TX version or even XFX Core Editions.

-I'd move to the Corsair 500R more features, less cash. HAF has gotten a bit "long in the tooth". The Antec DF-85 is nice for video editing as it has a hot swap 2.5" HD bay on the top front. Very handy for moving large video files from one box to another off network.

-I would not use anything that says "Rosewill" on it.

RAM - I'd start with 16GB and move to 32 only if ya spending lotta time on the editing and finding the time a bit annoying.

$59 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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October 19, 2012 3:33:27 AM

ckholt83 said:
That's looking a lot better. Are you planning to overclock? If not, you can save another $30 or so by getting a locked processor like the 3470.

Might still be able to save some money on the motherboard. Also you don't need to spend $410 to get a 670. Right now TigerDirect has one on sale for $335 here.


Ok cool that helps a lot. I hear the term "overclocking" a processor a lot, but I actually have no idea what it means. Therefore I probably wouldnt overclock it. Then again, if its easy to do I might consider it. It looks like I could get a decent amount more out of the processor. What would the difference be?
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October 19, 2012 4:05:06 AM

Overclocking is raising the clock speed on the CPU/GPU/RAM to get more performance than running at stock (speed you get out of the box). It's can be fairly simple, but you want to do it very incrementally if you don't want to fry your system.

It is possible to get a large performance boost out of an overclock if your CPU/GPU/RAM came from a good batch. There's no "standard" level you can overclock to, which is why everyone does an overclock in incremental levels. There are a lot of articles on Tom's Hardware. If you know someone who has overclocked in the past, get them to help you through it.
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a b B Homebuilt system
October 19, 2012 4:18:08 AM

ballplyr86 said:
Ok cool that helps a lot. I hear the term "overclocking" a processor a lot, but I actually have no idea what it means. Therefore I probably wouldnt overclock it. Then again, if its easy to do I might consider it. It looks like I could get a decent amount more out of the processor. What would the difference be?


Overclocking is really easy with current processors. There is very little risk of damaging you're computer so long as you follow one of the many guides for overclocking your specific processor. The "K" on the end of the processor number means that it is made to overclock.

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October 19, 2012 9:06:44 PM

Quick question, is there a reason you'd prefer a full tower over a mid?
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October 26, 2012 4:11:48 AM

Best answer selected by ballplyr86.
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