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October 19, 2012 7:57:48 PM

After surfing around I came to these components :

RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 15000) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1866C9R

HDD:Seagate Barracuda 7200 500 GB SATA 6.0 Gb-s 16 MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare Drive ST500DM002

GPU:MSI Computer Corp. ATI Radeon HD7770 1020 MHz 1GB DDR5 PCI-Express 3.0 x16 Graphics Cards R7770-2PMD1GD5/OC

CPU:AMD Athlon II X3 455 Processor (ADX455WFGMBOX)

Motherboard:ASUS M5A78L-M LX PLUS AM3+ AMD 760G Micro ATX AMD Motherboard

Case: Cooler Master Elite 430 - Mid Tower Computer Case with All-Black Interior (RC-430-KWN1)

PSU: Cooler Master eXtreme Power Plus 550w Power Supply (RS550-PCARE3-US)

Wifi card: ASUS (PCE-N10) Wireless-N Network Adapter (150Mbps Transmit / 150Mbps Receive) with PCI-E Interface, Include Full Height and Low Profile bracket, WPS Button Support

OS: Windows 8 System Builder DVD 64-Bit

Dvd Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE 22X SATA DVDRW Internal Drive (Black), Bulk without Software

All parts were selected with Amazon prices.

Total with Tax+Shipping: $626.56

My budget is 600$ so this is a little bit over but it is fine. I wanted to make sure everything fit together and if I needed any extra tools or if my PSU was enough to power my GPU/CPU. Thanks. Also is there any parts that you could switch out for something with better performance but still keeping in the low 600$ range?

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October 19, 2012 8:04:38 PM

I would switch out the RAM for 1600. 1866 makes very little difference in most applications.
Your mobo has Core Unlocker which will let you unlock the 4th core on your CPU making it into a Phenom II x4.
October 19, 2012 10:53:31 PM

obsama1 said:
I would switch out the RAM for 1600. 1866 makes very little difference in most applications.
Your mobo has Core Unlocker which will let you unlock the 4th core on your CPU making it into a Phenom II x4.

Would my current 550W PSU support me unlocking the 4th core?
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October 19, 2012 11:49:36 PM

get an i3 3220 and switch motherboard to LGA 1156 socket type and get an geforce gtx 650 only $100 at newegg
October 20, 2012 12:09:48 AM

The 650 is a bad value. The 7770 easily smokes it. A 550w PSU will be enough for unlocking.
October 20, 2012 12:47:26 AM

Alright thanks, I was worrying 550 wouldn't be enough.
October 20, 2012 1:18:56 AM

Is that Wifi card worth it or...? Do I need to buy any extra cables/tools or does my build come w/ all the cables needed.
October 20, 2012 1:33:24 AM

The card looks pretty good. The parts come with all necessary cables. The only tool you'll need is a screwdriver.
October 20, 2012 1:53:34 AM

But I think you will get way better performance for the money by the Intel Pentium 2.9 Ghz and an B75 motherboard. Then you can save money. And you can get a Kingston T1 set with 2x4 GB 1600 Mhz for $25

I made this build for another dude earlier:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kPuv
October 20, 2012 1:55:18 AM

^^^^
Great build, but at that budget, drop the SSD and get a Phenom II x4 965/A10.

EDIT: Nvm. Didn't see that the SSD was $30.
October 20, 2012 1:56:25 AM

the OP's budget is $600, so I'd get a better CPU. A Phenom II x4 965 or FX-4350 will be good.
October 20, 2012 2:01:51 AM

raj00 said:
get an i3 3220 and switch motherboard to LGA 1156 socket type and get an geforce gtx 650 only $100 at newegg


These components are not even compatible

For the OP's build

If you are gaming then 2 x2 gig of RAM is plenty . No game can use more than this anyway
Dont expect to online game over a wifi connection . Latencies will usually be too high . Run a cable in stead
You could use a cheaper and still quality PSU like the 400 watt silverstone strider . I havent checked prices
There may be room in your budget for an FX 4100 once the FX 4300 is released in a few days
October 20, 2012 2:06:21 AM

The only reason for the 600 Watt PSU in my build is the good price now, I have had 2 in life and they are reliable and modular...
October 20, 2012 2:31:51 AM

I have noticed Intel chipsets tend to be more expensive so I dont know if it would fit within my budget.
October 20, 2012 2:38:00 AM

Outlander_04 said:
These components are not even compatible

For the OP's build

If you are gaming then 2 x2 gig of RAM is plenty . No game can use more than this anyway
Dont expect to online game over a wifi connection . Latencies will usually be too high . Run a cable in stead
You could use a cheaper and still quality PSU like the 400 watt silverstone strider . I havent checked prices
There may be room in your budget for an FX 4100 once the FX 4300 is released in a few days
I checked around and the FX-1000 costs about 40$ more and requires different motherboard which is more expensive. Even with reducing the ram and taking out wifi it is too expensive :( 
October 20, 2012 2:42:14 AM

Yeah, Both the new FM2 for A10-5800K or the AM3+ for OC are more expensive than Intel.

That's why I showed you what I did
October 20, 2012 2:48:57 AM

verdenshersker said:
Yeah, Both the new FM2 for A10-5800K or the AM3+ for OC are more expensive than Intel.

That's why I showed you what I did



Yeah I took a look at it and it is 2.9ghz at dual core for 70$, The price for the Athlon II x3 455 3.3ghz. I have there is 76$ so its almost the same in price.
October 20, 2012 3:05:12 AM

Wouldnt the Athlon II 455 have better performance than that Pentium 2.9ghz dual core you mentioned?
October 20, 2012 4:17:21 AM

The Pentium will have better performance.

In one of the other posts, I placed a link about it.

And this is what Tom's Hardware write about it:

It turns out that the budget-oriented Sandy Bridge-based Pentium family performs very well in games. Specifically, Intel's Pentium G630 beat the FX-4100, -6100, and -8120 in our sub-$200 CPU gaming comparison. In fact, it finished right on par with the Phenom II X4 955.

At 2.9 GHz, the Pentium G850 is 200 MHz faster than the G630, earning our recommendation at the $70 price point. There's not much else to add, except that if you consider the Phenom II X4 to be a capable gaming CPU, Intel's Pentium G850 is an even faster option that uses less power.


And the Phenom II X4 are stronger than the Athlon II X3 or X4.

I went from a Athlon II X3 445 unlocked to Phenom II X4 and a minor OC til 3,5 Ghz. I have better gaming performance with the even smaller Pentium G620 (2.6 Ghz)
October 20, 2012 4:26:08 AM

Another thing - I would still skip the Windows 8 for a while and just keep the Windows 7
October 20, 2012 5:59:39 AM

verdenshersker said:
Another thing - I would still skip the Windows 8 for a while and just keep the Windows 7

The builders editions costs about the same and if I remember correctly Windows 8 makes more efficient use of componenets...
October 20, 2012 6:27:57 AM

AMD FX-4100 Zambezi 3.6GHz $110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASRock 970 PRO3 AM3+ $66 [including shipping and rebate ]
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) $25
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HIS iCooler H777F1G2M Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition $115 [ after rebate ]
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 V2 $25 [ after rebate]
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital WD Blue WD5000AAKX 500GB $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Elite 430 $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Any dvd drive $18

Total is $479

Far better gamer than the pentium or athlon builds. Far far better application performance

Add the wireless card if you want

Windows 8 preferably as well
October 20, 2012 8:09:16 AM

I totally disagree with outlander... Just check the reviews...
He puts down an amd set with better specs, but exactly same performance and worse in some cases. And those pieces are more expensive, so you have to go with the hd7770 1gb instead of a hd7850 2 gb.

Furthermore is the 500 gb hdd he points out same price as the 1.5 tb i have etc.
also his 4 gb ram is the same price as the 8 gb i point out...
Many things...

They just had a real test with windows 7 vs 8 and it is basically the same in performance....

But its up to you speakerman, but i would say my build is way better.
And tou can just read the components review....
October 20, 2012 12:56:14 PM

+1 to Verdenshersker's build. But, since PD comes out next week, just get the FX-4350 instead of the PII. But solid build!
October 20, 2012 1:14:11 PM

This works for a cheap budget build, and should be able to game:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A75M-DGS Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard ($60.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 6670 1GB Video Card ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $417.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
October 21, 2012 3:55:05 AM

The pentium cpu does not make a good gaming computer


The ranking of it on this site as a good gaming cpu is based on tests using a $500 graphics card and low resolution . This is completely artificial . Once you start gaming with appropriately priced graphics cards , and at 1080p resolution the pentium is a dog .

www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-4170-core-i3-3220-bench...

Here is an FX compared to the BEST intel dual core which is much better than the pentium . The FX is generally better at applications and it close enough to identical to the i3 in DX 10 and DX 11 games .
It suffers in DX9 games because the game engines cant multithread , but those games are now older and there will not be any more of them .

Yes they use an FX 4170 , but that is an identical piece of silicon to the 4100
The only change needed to run at 4170 speeds is a simple BIOS change to the multiplier

Once you factor in the AMD's support for the next two generations of processors [making upgrades possible while intels socket 1155 dies in a few months ]
there is no reason for any gamer or general pc user to buy any intel dual core . and especially not the crippled pentium models
October 21, 2012 7:10:52 AM

Outlander_04 said:
The pentium cpu does not make a good gaming computer


The ranking of it on this site as a good gaming cpu is based on tests using a $500 graphics card and low resolution . This is completely artificial . Once you start gaming with appropriately priced graphics cards , and at 1080p resolution the pentium is a dog .

www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-4170-core-i3-3220-bench...

Here is an FX compared to the BEST intel dual core which is much better than the pentium . The FX is generally better at applications and it close enough to identical to the i3 in DX 10 and DX 11 games .
It suffers in DX9 games because the game engines cant multithread , but those games are now older and there will not be any more of them .

Yes they use an FX 4170 , but that is an identical piece of silicon to the 4100
The only change needed to run at 4170 speeds is a simple BIOS change to the multiplier

Once you factor in the AMD's support for the next two generations of processors [making upgrades possible while intels socket 1155 dies in a few months ]
there is no reason for any gamer or general pc user to buy any intel dual core . and especially not the crippled pentium models


Quick questions, Is the rebate at the moment of purchase or is it mail in type. In the future this Motherboard, would it be able to support the FC 8xxx series if I ever got the money to upgrade?
October 21, 2012 7:25:09 AM

Outlander_04 said:
AMD FX-4100 Zambezi 3.6GHz $110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASRock 970 PRO3 AM3+ $66 [including shipping and rebate ]
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) $25
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HIS iCooler H777F1G2M Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition $115 [ after rebate ]
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 V2 $25 [ after rebate]
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital WD Blue WD5000AAKX 500GB $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Elite 430 $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Any dvd drive $18

Total is $479

Far better gamer than the pentium or athlon builds. Far far better application performance

Add the wireless card if you want

Windows 8 preferably as well




Also Does the Zambesi already come with a stock cooler or do I need to buy an Aftermarket cooler w/thermal paste?
October 21, 2012 7:50:10 AM

The FX 4100 comes with a cooler , and the cooler is good enough to let you overclock to FX 4170 speeds and beyond

Yes the mb supports the FX 8 core processors
It supports the Piledriver processor update thats due for release in a few days , And it will support the Steamroller processors AMD will release in 2013 or 2014 .

The rebates are mail in .
October 21, 2012 8:06:09 AM

Alright, Thanks for the info.
October 21, 2012 8:26:22 AM

I Know in Amazon prices in the cart don't reflect tax or shipping. Newegg at the bottom adds up the shipping. Is that the total or does tax still need to be added to that price down there?. I live in Seattle, WA if that info helps.
October 21, 2012 11:07:13 PM

The Amd FX-170 and AMD FX-6100 cost roughly the same with 1$ difference. Their CPU Benckmark indicates that the 6100 performs better in benchmarks. Since most video games only take up 2 cores would the 4170 be better with its higher clock rate?

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October 22, 2012 3:28:48 AM
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The FX 4100 is the cheapest option , and you can set it to 4170 speeds

The 6100 wont game as well because of the lower clock speed .

On the 23rd of this month AMD will [ probably] release new models
43XX
63XX
83XX

They are improved versions that run faster and cooler .
If you can buy the 43XX
October 23, 2012 5:37:31 AM

Alright thanks for the info, Any specs on the pricing for the 43xx??
October 23, 2012 12:10:40 PM

Case: Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower. ($44.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP LGA 1155. ($79.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 Ivy Bridge 3.3GHz LGA 1155. ($129.99)
http: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU: XFX HD 7850 1GB GDDR5 256 bit. ($159.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 . ($41.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: Western Digital RE3 WD7502ABYS 750GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache. ($59.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: XFX Core Edition PRO 550W 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified. ($59.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Optical Drive: SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner 22X. ($16.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

TOTAL : $594
October 23, 2012 5:49:07 PM

mrdowntownkiller said:
Case: Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower. ($44.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP LGA 1155. ($79.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 Ivy Bridge 3.3GHz LGA 1155. ($129.99)
http: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU: XFX HD 7850 1GB GDDR5 256 bit. ($159.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 . ($41.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: Western Digital RE3 WD7502ABYS 750GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache. ($59.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: XFX Core Edition PRO 550W 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified. ($59.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Optical Drive: SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner 22X. ($16.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

TOTAL : $594


LOL

No copy of windows
the Rosewill challenger is an awful case that won an award for being cheap
and the i3 got kicked about by the FX 4170

Better graphics card though
October 23, 2012 11:38:49 PM

Outlander_04 said:
LOL

No copy of windows
the Rosewill challenger is an awful case that won an award for being cheap
and the i3 got kicked about by the FX 4170

Better graphics card though


Checking prices I can get the FX 4170 for 110$ but the 4300 for 130$. Would the 4300 perform better without OC compared to the 4170 at 4.3 GHZ?
October 24, 2012 12:35:10 AM

I would get the 4300

Im unsure exactly how the performance compares
October 24, 2012 11:26:47 PM

Outlander_04 said:
I would get the 4300

Im unsure exactly how the performance compares


Yeah I can't seem to find info and I don't really want to OC even if a can so will the 4.3 GHZ 4170 beat the 4.0GHZ 4300 ? If im doing the math correct the 7% IPC increase doesn't compensate for the speed and and 20$ I think...
October 25, 2012 12:59:30 AM

The 4300 will beat the 4170. 300MHz will make no difference in the real world. It does use a lot less power. It's a big jump.
October 26, 2012 1:16:51 AM

obsama1 said:
The 4300 will beat the 4170. 300MHz will make no difference in the real world. It does use a lot less power. It's a big jump.

Alright, Since I managed to get a very good Pre-Order sale price on windows 8 I have more money to spend on parts:

Here is updated build:

Case: Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
HDD: Western Digital WD Blue WD2500AAKX 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
MOBO:ASUS M5A97 LE R2.0 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
Wifi Card:Rosewill RNX-N250PC2 (RNWD-12001) IEEE 802.11b/g/n, PCI, Wireless-N Adapter
GPU: MSI R7770-2PMD1GD5/OC Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB 128-bit GDDR5
PSU:COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power Plus RS-550-PCAR-E3 550W
Ram: G SKill 2x4gb 1600mhz
CPU: AMD FX-4170 4.2 GHZ(4.3Ghz)
Drive: ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner


Total is around $630ish.

Can that Rosewill Challanger case support 2 of these Rosewill RFA-120-BL 120mm 4 Blue LEDs LED Case Fan? Where would I plus these other 2 fans in as my mobo only has a plug for 2 fans I think.......
October 26, 2012 2:03:21 AM

Apparently on newegg it says "3 x Chassis Fan connector(s) (4 -pin)" so that means it will support the stock 3 fans that come with the case... I think. How will I get power to the other 2 fans I am buying extra?
October 26, 2012 4:34:36 AM

Also any reccomendations for a Less than 70$ SSD to load the SSD on ?
October 28, 2012 6:44:15 AM

Some help with my questions stated above please
November 2, 2012 5:27:06 AM

Best answer selected by speakerman9529.
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