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October 21, 2012 1:01:16 PM

Hello,

This is my first topic and i hope this won't be my last.
Sorry for my english, i'm not native eglish speaking.
I need help with a pc for hardcore gaming that will run the games on ULTRA for the nest 2 years minimum.

Approximate Purchase Date: this week.

Budget Range: 3000$, no taxes i'm not from usa or uk.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: hardcore games, emails ;) 

Are you buying a monitor: Yes

Do you need to buy OS: No

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com, ebay.com, amazon.com.

Location: Israel.

Parts Preferences: I don't discriminate brands. i had before Asus and Gigabyte.

Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: Yes

Your Monitor Resolution: need new one, higher is better.

Additional Comments: noise is not a problem but preffer silent pc, maybe a silent case. BF3 ultra, MW3 ultra, Black ops 2 ultra and etc.

Any help will be appreciated. I'm total lost, i've read so many thing that i don't know what to buy.
For example: 3930K is a total waste of money for games, 3570K is better. but what about the future? i mean, 3 years from now maybe it will be needed the extra cores. X79 mobo will not stick around much and etc...I don't even want to start talking about the GPU..

Please help! :bounce: 

Thank you guys in advanced.

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a b 4 Gaming
October 21, 2012 1:07:06 PM

I don't think Newegg ships to Israel. Do you have a website from there that does?
October 21, 2012 1:09:28 PM

Hi thanks,
I have a friend in USA that can deliver it too me.
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a b 4 Gaming
October 21, 2012 1:10:21 PM

I see. Then I believe taxes should matter? :p 
October 21, 2012 1:11:47 PM

Not a problem, we pay only VAT on pc hardware and i get the VAT back coz of my business.
a b 4 Gaming
October 21, 2012 1:23:09 PM

How many monitors would you like btw?
October 21, 2012 1:24:08 PM

1 - 23"-24". thanks!
a b 4 Gaming
October 21, 2012 1:28:13 PM

Here you go. This build should theoretically last a lifetime. :lol: 
But seriously, you probably won't need to change anything for a long, long time other than maybe PSU if you add in more 7970 GHz cards.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($499.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 CPU Cooler ($82.74 @ Mwave)
Motherboard: ASRock X79 Extreme9 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($344.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($38.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Green 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Samsung 830 Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($432.86 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($432.86 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill BLACKHAWK-ULTRA ATX Full Tower Case ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling Silencer Mk II 950W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($100.43 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: BenQ XL2420T 120Hz 24.0" Monitor ($370.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $2761.81
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

If you have ANY questions, please feel free to ask. Especially if you're curious about why on a part.
October 21, 2012 1:48:14 PM

excella1221 many thanks!
BTW, the monitor is 120Hz we work here with 100Hz so i'll buy it here.
the other spec is great!
but i wonder if there is a GPU card that will be better then this XFX cards?
they both cost 865$ is there 1 card that is stronger then both of them? around this price?
I've heard that MSI are good too.
ASrock x79 is it better then the Asus Rampage IV Extreme s2011 or the GIGABYTE G1.Assassin 2?

thanks again.

a b 4 Gaming
October 21, 2012 1:58:43 PM

There's Gigabyte and Sapphire Vapor-X and yes MSI(I'm not sure if they made a GHz though), make sure to get the GHz Editions.
But those two are usually out of stock, good luck catching them.

The only card better than a 2-way Crossfire 7970 GHz would be the GTX 690, and that's actually 2 cards anyway, and it costs $1,000+.

Yes, I believe the ASRock board is way better than the Gigabyte, is about equal with the ASUS, but the ASRock has features the ASRock doesn't have and vice-versa. But what the ASRock lacks that the ASUS has can be bought like the Bluetooth can be bought for like ~$10.

The ASRock seems to have a better onboard sound card and relatively CHEAPER too.
You know what, just see for yourself. :lol: 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...
a b 4 Gaming
October 21, 2012 2:51:31 PM

The Antec's specs look promising. I personally don't like how it looks though. :lol: 
a b 4 Gaming
October 21, 2012 3:03:02 PM

excella1221 said:
Here you go. This build should theoretically last a lifetime. :lol: 
But seriously, you probably won't need to change anything for a long, long time other than maybe PSU if you add in more 7970 GHz cards.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($499.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 CPU Cooler ($82.74 @ Mwave)
Motherboard: ASRock X79 Extreme9 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($344.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($38.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Green 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Samsung 830 Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($432.86 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($432.86 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill BLACKHAWK-ULTRA ATX Full Tower Case ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling Silencer Mk II 950W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($100.43 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: BenQ XL2420T 120Hz 24.0" Monitor ($370.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $2761.81
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

If you have ANY questions, please feel free to ask. Especially if you're curious about why on a part.


That's a very solid build.Im sure you'll be proud of it, but if you really want to play games on Ultra after two years, then you might need a PC that's even more powerfull than this one.

Here's what i suggest.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($499.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake Water 2.0 Pro 81.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($79.98 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-X79-UP4 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($258.70 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Patriot Intel Extreme Master, Limited Ed 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Intel Extreme Master, Limited Ed 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Green 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Samsung 830 Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card (3-Way SLI) ($429.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card (3-Way SLI) ($429.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card (3-Way SLI) ($429.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill THOR V2 ATX Full Tower Case ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus PA248Q 24.1" Monitor ($289.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $2865.57
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

This build is a bit over your budget but it has several advantages over the build listed by Excella.
It has three graphics cards instead of two.This means that theoreticly it has 40% more graphics power but in reality it will be more like 25% (which is still a LOT).
It uses a new, ultra high quality motherboard which allows for a slightly better overclock (~25mhz?) and costs less.
It uses quad channel memory which will increase the PC's performance in some applications and hopefully some games.The RAM's total capacity has also been doubled which is a slight advantage if you like doing lots of things at once.
It uses a very good water cooler which, will keep your CPU cooler by a couple of degrees compared to the air cooler he listed.
The cases used in both builds are very similar.They've both got their pros and cons but the Rosewill Thor V2 is cheaper.
And finally i replaced the monitor with the ASUS PA248Q.The difference between these monitors is that the ASUS has more accurate colors while the Benq has a faster response time.
October 21, 2012 3:18:35 PM

Eh, all of this high end stuff here and there. Next year, Intel will release Haswell. Why not get a placeholder for the moment like an i5 and then replace it next year when the new chips that are said to perform ~30% better and be more efficient.

Great builds, nonetheless. I would get 670s instead with Kamen_BGs build. And that water cooler will only cool maybe 3-5 degrees more than the D14. If it leaks, boom. Ere goes your build, :D 
October 21, 2012 3:23:33 PM

Thank you all.
Got me a bit confused.
3570K is no good? people say it's more then enough to play games in the near future. and if it will be outdated so the 3930K will be too.
What do you say?
Do i need to buy the 3570K and add a GPU?

i must know before i make the call. thanks again.
a b 4 Gaming
October 21, 2012 3:26:13 PM

Kamen_BG said:
That's a very solid build.Im sure you'll be proud of it, but if you really want to play games on Ultra after two years, then you might need a PC that's even more powerfull than this one.

Here's what i suggest.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($499.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake Water 2.0 Pro 81.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($79.98 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-X79-UP4 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($258.70 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Patriot Intel Extreme Master, Limited Ed 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Intel Extreme Master, Limited Ed 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Green 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Samsung 830 Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card (3-Way SLI) ($429.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card (3-Way SLI) ($429.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card (3-Way SLI) ($429.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill THOR V2 ATX Full Tower Case ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus PA248Q 24.1" Monitor ($289.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $2865.57
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

This build is a bit over your budget but it has several advantages over the build listed by Excella.
It has three graphics cards instead of two.This means that theoreticly it has 40% more graphics power but in reality it will be more like 25% (which is still a LOT).
It uses a new, ultra high quality motherboard which allows for a slightly better overclock (~25mhz?) and costs less.
It uses quad channel memory which will increase the PC's performance in some applications and hopefully some games.The RAM's total capacity has also been doubled which is a slight advantage if you like doing lots of things at once.
It uses a very good water cooler which, will keep your CPU cooler by a couple of degrees compared to the air cooler he listed.
The cases used in both builds are very similar.They've both got their pros and cons but the Rosewill Thor V2 is cheaper.
And finally i replaced the monitor with the ASUS PA248Q.The difference between these monitors is that the ASUS has more accurate colors while the Benq has a faster response time.

You forgot the PSU. That's gonna bring it overbudget even more, and I doubt he can make use of rebates.

The only difference I can actually see is you added a 3rd card, it's basically the same as adding another 7970 GHz, which will outperform x3 680s theoretically.

Motherboard quality is subjective at this point. We all know Gigabyte makes quality boards, but that doesn't mean ASRock boards are any inferior to it. The Gigabyte is cheaper because it also has less features. The point of my build is so he doesn't have to upgrade for a long time without missing out features.

The RAM is a good deal, but idk about that series line. I'd be more comfortable suggesting a G.Skill or a Corsair Vengeance series.

What you said about the air vs water cooler is true, but not totally. The H100 beats the Thermaltake Water 2.0, and high-end air coolers such as the one I suggested can match it.


The difference in temps are barely negligible compared to the price.

The Blackhawk-ULTRA is actually a super tower packed with everything you can ask for; again to make sure you won't have to upgrade anytime, but the THOR should be okay too.

You forgot to mention the ASUS is an IPS monitor and has low refresh rate. That won't justify x3 680s nor x2 or 3 7970 GHz's.

P.S - I'm not a "he" :) 
October 21, 2012 3:33:41 PM

excella1221 said:
You forgot the PSU. That's gonna bring it overbudget even more, and I doubt he can make use of rebates.

The only difference I can actually see is you added a 3rd card, it's basically the same as adding another 7970 GHz, which will outperform x3 680s theoretically.

Motherboard quality is subjective at this point. We all know Gigabyte makes quality boards, but that doesn't mean ASRock boards are any inferior to it. The Gigabyte is cheaper because it also has less features. The point of my build is so he doesn't have to upgrade for a long time without missing out features.

The RAM is a good deal, but idk about that series line. I'd be more comfortable suggesting a G.Skill or a Corsair Vengeance series.

What you said about the air vs water cooler is true, but not totally. The H100 beats the Thermaltake Water 2.0, and high-end air coolers such as the one I suggested can match it.
http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/corsair_h100_hydro_series_extreme_performance_liquid_cpu_cooler,13.html

The difference in temps are barely negligible compared to the price.

The Blackhawk-ULTRA is actually a super tower packed with everything you can ask for; again to make sure you won't have to upgrade anytime, but the THOR should be okay too.

You forgot to mention the ASUS is an IPS monitor and has low refresh rate. That won't justify x3 680s nor x2 or 3 7970 GHz's.

P.S - I'm not a "he" :) 


BTW, 3570k or 3930k? And which mother board is the best for 3570k?
my last QA.
a b 4 Gaming
October 21, 2012 3:37:21 PM

With your budget, go with the 3930K. The platform will be around longer.
LGA1155 will start fading when Haswell arrives.
October 21, 2012 3:39:11 PM

when Haswell will arrive?
a b 4 Gaming
October 21, 2012 3:41:11 PM

It's the next line of Intel mainstream processors and it has a new socket.
October 21, 2012 3:41:55 PM

release date?
a b 4 Gaming
October 21, 2012 4:00:40 PM

March - June 2013, according to Wiki.
October 21, 2012 4:26:32 PM

As Nw333 said. Do you have a reasonable pc you are able to upgrade at the moment - while you wait and check out Haswell deals (and its affect on current components) next year?

...of course, if you take this approach too far you'll never get a new pc ;) 
October 21, 2012 4:41:03 PM

excella1221 said:
With your budget, go with the 3930K. The platform will be around longer.
LGA1155 will start fading when Haswell arrives.


Why are you guys telling him to spend more on a slower cpu? The 3930k is a sandy bridge cpu and the 3570K is an ivy bridge cpu and there for faster? You guys seem to just want to throw a bunch of money around wastefully.

The i5 is more then enough
a b 4 Gaming
October 21, 2012 4:45:06 PM

Hun, you need to do more research.
The 3930K is a Sandy Bridge-E CPU. Sandy Bridge uses the LGA1155 socket, while the SB-E uses LGA2011.

This platform also introduces x4 PCI-E 3.0 slots by default on their motherboards. We don't suggest these things for no reason k?

The -E series are for enthusiasts and/or people who will have powerful GPU components which the i5-3570K can possibly bottleneck.
October 21, 2012 4:51:02 PM

mesab66 said:
As Nw333 said. Do you have a reasonable pc you are able to upgrade at the moment - while you wait and check out Haswell deals (and its affect on current components) next year?

...of course, if you take this approach too far you'll never get a new pc ;) 



have a laptop..
need pc now.

i'm lost again.. 3930k or 3570k?
1 gpu or 2 gpu?

what do you say?
i need a final answer please.
October 21, 2012 5:09:07 PM

excella1221 said:
Hun, you need to do more research.
The 3930K is a Sandy Bridge-E CPU. Sandy Bridge uses the LGA1155 socket, while the SB-E uses LGA2011.

This platform also introduces x4 PCI-E 3.0 slots by default on their motherboards. We don't suggest these things for no reason k?

The -E series are for enthusiasts and/or people who will have powerful GPU components which the i5-3570K can possibly bottleneck.


cool it uses the lga2011 socket but its still sandy bridge ARCHITECTURE which is slower and more expensive then ivy bridge architecture. while the performance difference is small the 3930k offers no useful advantages, other then bragging rights, for gaming.

graphics cards cant even saturate a pcie2.0 x16 lane let alone x8 lanes.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5458/the-radeon-hd-7970-r...
October 21, 2012 5:21:54 PM

cbrunnem said:
cool it uses the lga2011 socket but its still sandy bridge ARCHITECTURE which is slower and more expensive then ivy bridge architecture. while the performance difference is small the 3930k offers no useful advantages, other then bragging rights, for gaming.

graphics cards cant even saturate a pcie2.0 x16 lane let alone x8 lanes.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5458/the-radeon-hd-7970-r...



So what should i do?
3820? 3930k? 3570k?
October 21, 2012 5:40:48 PM

Maor404 said:
So what should i do?
3820? 3930k? 3570k?



I would go for the i7 2700k its cheaper and can OC to 5.0Ghz destroying everything , but thats just me!
a b 4 Gaming
October 21, 2012 5:53:04 PM

I guess I'll be the reasonable one here...

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kYJw

Add the monitor of choice and you're good. This should play on ultra for 2-3 years.
October 21, 2012 6:19:50 PM

azeem40 said:
I guess I'll be the reasonable one here...

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kYJw

Add the monitor of choice and you're good. This should play on ultra for 2-3 years.


this computer will be no slower then any posted so far if not faster.

i love it. if anything i would go for a higher end cpu cooler just so you can overclock higher if you want and just cause you can afford it.
i like this one
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or get a noctua nh-d14 or thermalright silver arrow. those 3 are about as good as you can get on air.
October 21, 2012 6:21:36 PM

For a 3000$ building I would not trust a budget Asrock board its for penny pinchers. Longevity means good quality components, and overclocking is a big factor.
October 21, 2012 6:26:53 PM

azeem40 said:
I guess I'll be the reasonable one here...

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kYJw

Add the monitor of choice and you're good. This should play on ultra for 2-3 years.



so this is the best choise? higer cooler? Gigabyte or ASUS board?
That's it?

and in the future i'll upgrade to Haswell?

Shall i buy it??? :bounce: 
a b 4 Gaming
October 21, 2012 6:29:25 PM

Maor404 said:
So what should i do?
3820? 3930k? 3570k?


3930K: Extremely future-proofed
3570K: Best Price: Performance gaming CPU
3770K: Slightly more power than the 3570K, popular for 2.5K+ gaming rigs
3820: Only worth it if you're planning to upgrade to a 3930K
October 21, 2012 6:32:47 PM

Maor404 said:
so this is the best choise? higer cooler? Gigabyte or ASUS board?
That's it?

and in the future i'll upgrade to Haswell?

Shall i buy it??? :bounce: 


Grab an Asus or a Gigabyte z77 board, Haswell will require a new motherboard totally different platform socket 1150
October 21, 2012 6:37:13 PM

mastrom101 said:
3930K: Extremely future-proofed
3570K: Best Price:p erformance gaming CPU
3770K: Slightly more power than the 3570K, popular for 2.5K+ gaming rigs
3820: Only worth it if you're planning to upgrade to a 3930K


this is just not true. what would be extremely future proof would be to buy the 3570k now and with the money saved buy another i5 in a year or twos time. the 3930k is slower per clock then the i5 and the only gaming advantage it MIGHT have in the future is having 6 cores but barely any games use 5 or more cores. i can only think of 1 game.
October 21, 2012 6:39:07 PM

redeemer said:
Grab an Asus or a Gigabyte z77 board, Haswell will require a new motherboard totally different platform socket 1150


yeah i know. the socket will be 1150. i'm afraid that even 2011 will not work on the Haswell.
so...3570k or 3770k?

your call.
October 21, 2012 7:01:59 PM

Any answer guys?
October 21, 2012 7:03:31 PM

i5 3570k is my vote
October 21, 2012 7:19:01 PM

I have created a poll.

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October 21, 2012 7:29:29 PM
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Maor404: with your budget - and any of the suggestions already given (or check out any custom pc manufacturer/any pre-build) - you're not going to be disappointed.
If you want this now and want Haswell (or whatever derivative) later then by all means go ahead - you'll need a different motherboard, cpu and memory for Haswell.
Tri SLI/Crossfire (680 or 7970) is WAY excessive for any single gaming monitor unless you plan on >1 monitor soon (remember that new gfx cards are around the corner also).......of course, if you take this approach too far you'll never get a new pc (think I said that before ;)  )
October 21, 2012 7:38:32 PM

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