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What is a good gaming build, built around the i5 3570k?

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October 23, 2012 6:07:34 AM

Hello, i dont have too much money to do this on, id like to know what a good gaming build around this processor would be, id like 16gb ram, and around about 2gb graphics, everything else i can sort out, all i need is compatible parts that would be good for overclocking because idf like to overclock my processor to about 4 ghz, ill water cool for that, but thats where i am at, please help!
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October 23, 2012 7:50:53 AM

You don't need 16GB of RAM for gaming.

I would get the Noctua NH-D14 for a CPU cooler.

Also, we have no idea what your budget.
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October 23, 2012 7:52:35 AM

my budget is about 1200 ish, any help?
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October 23, 2012 9:02:45 AM

Let me get one thing straight
The about of GB does not really decide GPU performance after a certain amount.

According to your budget you should probably get a Radeon 7950 or a GTX 660ti/670 and as deemo13 said you def don't need 16GB of RAM for gaming
8GB would be the highest I would go.

For overclocking get a decent z77 chipset motherboard a good brand quality PSU from Seasonic,Corsair,OCZ etc.
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October 23, 2012 6:21:09 PM

darkchief1 said:
Hello, i dont have too much money to do this on, id like to know what a good gaming build around this processor would be, id like 16gb ram, and around about 2gb graphics, everything else i can sort out, all i need is compatible parts that would be good for overclocking because idf like to overclock my processor to about 4 ghz, ill water cool for that, but thats where i am at, please help!


Don't listen to the others. 16GB of RAM is not TOO much. As a matter of fact, as cheap as RAM is, 16GB is the bare minimum for a new system. I personally have 32GB and don't think that is TOO much.

According to the latest Maximum PC, the GTX 660 (non Ti) was their best bang for the buck. The GTX 660 can be had for ~$250 online.

I would also get at least 650W fully modular power supply with a minimum 50A 12V rail. I have the OCZ ZT.

The Z77 chipset is a great choice, I have the Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H and it is a really nice board for the $$$$. To top it off, the mobo works OOB with Ubuntu.

For overclocking that processor, water cooling would be nice, but a Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO is a GREAT deal (Maximum PC best bang for the buck as well).

I personally would think about an i7 processor for future considerations.

What are your storage choices? I recommend a minimum 128GB SSD and 2TB HDD. I personally have a 256GB SSD (OCZ Vertex 4).

Lastly, get a decent case with enough room behind the motherboard for cable management. I have the Cooler Master 690II Advanced USB 3.0.

You can go "cheap" on a PC these days, but go too cheap and you end up with cheap junk. Your budget of $1200 should give you a PC that will last you for years to come.
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October 23, 2012 11:05:11 PM

stchman said:
Don't listen to the others. 16GB of RAM is not TOO much. As a matter of fact, as cheap as RAM is, 16GB is the bare minimum for a new system. I personally have 32GB and don't think that is TOO much.

According to the latest Maximum PC, the GTX 660 (non Ti) was their best bang for the buck. The GTX 660 can be had for ~$250 online.

I would also get at least 650W fully modular power supply with a minimum 50A 12V rail. I have the OCZ ZT.

The Z77 chipset is a great choice, I have the Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H and it is a really nice board for the $$$$. To top it off, the mobo works OOB with Ubuntu.

For overclocking that processor, water cooling would be nice, but a Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO is a GREAT deal (Maximum PC best bang for the buck as well).

I personally would think about an i7 processor for future considerations.

What are your storage choices? I recommend a minimum 128GB SSD and 2TB HDD. I personally have a 256GB SSD (OCZ Vertex 4).

Lastly, get a decent case with enough room behind the motherboard for cable management. I have the Cooler Master 690II Advanced USB 3.0.

You can go "cheap" on a PC these days, but go too cheap and you end up with cheap junk. Your budget of $1200 should give you a PC that will last you for years to come.


I disagree with this post a bit.

32gb of RAM is ridiculous for most people. It doesn't matter how cheap it is, 32GB of RAM is serious overkill for just about every single person on the planet. Maybe if you're rendering 6 videos at once, streaming live TV in 1080p, running 3 games in the background, and watching porn, you don't need it nor will you use it. I have 8 GB of RAM in my computer now and I never even use that, despite dual-booting two OS's simultaneously. Even 16gb is overkill for the vast, vast majority of people. I would much rather buy 8gb of high-end, fast RAM than 16gb of average stuff, which is what most people seem to do for the dick-measuring that comes along with having 16gb of ram.

Secondly, the processor he has picked out is great. The returns on performance vs. price for anything above what he picked is so diminishing that he won't be gaining much for the price he'll be paying.
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October 23, 2012 11:16:11 PM

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PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/lc5s
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/lc5s/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/lc5s/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.82 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($38.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($284.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec One ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS90 DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Acer GD235HZbid 120Hz 23.6" Monitor ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($91.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1233.71
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)


I like this build.
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October 24, 2012 1:30:33 AM

elohelz said:
I disagree with this post a bit.

32gb of RAM is ridiculous for most people. It doesn't matter how cheap it is, 32GB of RAM is serious overkill for just about every single person on the planet. Maybe if you're rendering 6 videos at once, streaming live TV in 1080p, running 3 games in the background, and watching porn, you don't need it nor will you use it. I have 8 GB of RAM in my computer now and I never even use that, despite dual-booting two OS's simultaneously. Even 16gb is overkill for the vast, vast majority of people. I would much rather buy 8gb of high-end, fast RAM than 16gb of average stuff, which is what most people seem to do for the dick-measuring that comes along with having 16gb of ram.

Secondly, the processor he has picked out is great. The returns on performance vs. price for anything above what he picked is so diminishing that he won't be gaining much for the price he'll be paying.


Wow, $50 more for 16GB vs. 8GB of the same brand/speed RAM. In the overall scheme of a $1200 PC, what's an extra $50?

Remember when 8MB was considered a LOT of RAM and 16MB was overkill?

I just hate hearing people say "I wish I would have gotten <upgrade I talked about> like you said".

So yes at this exact moment 32GB is serious overkill, but what about in 2 years? I like to virtualize an OS in Virutalbox, and that eats up a lot of RAM.
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October 24, 2012 4:40:53 AM

stchman said:
Wow, $50 more for 16GB vs. 8GB of the same brand/speed RAM. In the overall scheme of a $1200 PC, what's an extra $50?

Remember when 8MB was considered a LOT of RAM and 16MB was overkill?

I just hate hearing people say "I wish I would have gotten <upgrade I talked about> like you said".

So yes at this exact moment 32GB is serious overkill, but what about in 2 years? I like to virtualize an OS in Virutalbox, and that eats up a lot of RAM.


Well, you just spelled out the problem. "What's another $50?". Things become cheap and people justify it that way. Most people don't *need* 16gb of RAM and won't find any benefit from it, so why blow $50 on nothing?

Also, I run windows in a virtual box with 8gb of RAM constantly and never have issues with it.

Finally, "I wish I would've gotten that 16gb of RAM..." is the worst argument I've heard yet. It takes like 30 seconds to pop in a stick of RAM at any moment that you decide you need more.
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October 24, 2012 4:31:11 PM

Case : COOLER MASTER Storm Scout Black Steel Mid Tower Case. ($69.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard : GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD3H LGA 1155. ($149.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU : Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo). ($229.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU : GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 670 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 ($359.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM : CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 . ($41.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU : XFX PRO XXX Edition 80Plus Silver 750 Watt Power Supply. ($112.99)
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HDD : Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache. ($79.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SSD : Kingston SSDNow 120GB SATA III. ($84.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU COOLER : COOLER MASTER V6 GT DynaLoop CPU Cooler Universal bracket & Dual Fan. ($49.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Optical : SAMSUNG DVD Burner 24X DVD+R ($17.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

TOTAL = $1198.

Good luck dude ;) 

stchman he is asks for help for his new build not your pc , second i cant believe that you just said that 16 gigs of ram is minimum , and as you very experienced in pc world why you have a card like the 550ti lol.
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October 24, 2012 5:10:27 PM


CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.82 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card ($299.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 922 ATX Mid Tower Case ($93.89 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($24.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Acer S201HLbd 60Hz 20.0" Monitor ($108.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($91.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1166.60
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.) You could add a cheap ssd as well and stay in budget.
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October 24, 2012 5:24:51 PM

mrdowntownkiller said:
stchman he is asks for help for his new build not your pc , second i cant believe that you just said that 16 gigs of ram is minimum , and as you very experienced in pc world why you have a card like the 550ti lol.


This made me lol.
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October 24, 2012 5:50:18 PM

Deemo13 check your private msg
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October 24, 2012 6:24:45 PM

mrdowntownkiller said:

stchman he is asks for help for his new build not your pc , second i cant believe that you just said that 16 gigs of ram is minimum , and as you very experienced in pc world why you have a card like the 550ti lol.


Deemo13 said:
This made me lol.


http://pcpartpicker.com/b/y7P

I run this build, and there is no way I ever use 8Gb of ram Hell I barely ever use 6Gb while running BF3, Pandora, and video recording. So for someone to suggest bare minumum 16Gb for a build is laughable and destroys any credibility for taking that person seriously for any suggestions what so ever....

stchman said:

I just hate hearing people say "I wish I would have gotten <upgrade I talked about> like you said".


You say this then suggest a GTX 660 not even ti?.... oooh the irony
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October 24, 2012 6:36:59 PM

Apropo said:
I run this build, and there is no way I ever use 8Gb of ram Hell I barely ever use 6Gb while running BF3, Pandora, and video recording. So for someone to suggest bare minumum 16Gb for a build is laughable and destroys any credibility for taking that person seriously for any suggestions what so ever....


This made me lol too.
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October 25, 2012 1:53:33 AM

mrdowntownkiller said:


Good luck dude ;) 

stchman he is asks for help for his new build not your pc , second i cant believe that you just said that 16 gigs of ram is minimum , and as you very experienced in pc world why you have a card like the 550ti lol.


What made me LOL was your grammar.
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October 25, 2012 1:55:15 AM

Apropo said:
http://pcpartpicker.com/b/y7P

I run this build, and there is no way I ever use 8Gb of ram Hell I barely ever use 6Gb while running BF3, Pandora, and video recording. So for someone to suggest bare minumum 16Gb for a build is laughable and destroys any credibility for taking that person seriously for any suggestions what so ever....



You say this then suggest a GTX 660 not even ti?.... oooh the irony


Because I am seeking credibility through you? Not even one iota.
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October 25, 2012 1:57:51 AM

Apropo said:



You say this then suggest a GTX 660 not even ti?.... oooh the irony


The folks over at Maximum PC have given the GTX 660 the tag "best bang for the buck" in the video card portion. If you have a problem with that, take it up with them. I have been reading their magazine for years and they are usually right on the money.

Man they should have consulted you.
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October 25, 2012 4:27:42 AM

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^lol.... did they advise you to pair a non -k 3770 with an evo 212 cooler on a z77 board with a 550ti AND a sound card aswell?


Third time I've lol'ed because of this thread.
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October 25, 2012 8:53:44 AM

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^lol.... did they advise you to pair a non -k 3770 with an evo 212 cooler on a z77 board with a 550ti AND a sound card aswell?

loool
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October 25, 2012 4:58:56 PM

You don't need 32 gig of ram.
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October 25, 2012 5:04:01 PM

mrdowntownkiller said:

stchman he is asks for help for his new build not your pc , second i cant believe that you just said that 16 gigs of ram is minimum , and as you very experienced in pc world why you have a card like the 550ti lol.


I agree with what you are saying, but we shouldn't be bashing people for having old hardware in their systems. :??: 

edit: Actually, it is pretty funny. lol.
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October 25, 2012 5:30:34 PM

nstiver said:
I agree with what you are saying, but we shouldn't be bashing people for having old hardware in their systems. :??: 

edit: Actually, it is pretty funny. lol.

i like the edit whooraah :sol: 
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October 25, 2012 5:50:56 PM

elohelz said:
I disagree with this post a bit.

32gb of RAM is ridiculous for most people. It doesn't matter how cheap it is, 32GB of RAM is serious overkill for just about every single person on the planet. Maybe if you're rendering 6 videos at once, streaming live TV in 1080p, running 3 games in the background, and watching porn, you don't need it nor will you use it. I have 8 GB of RAM in my computer now and I never even use that, despite dual-booting two OS's simultaneously. Even 16gb is overkill for the vast, vast majority of people. I would much rather buy 8gb of high-end, fast RAM than 16gb of average stuff, which is what most people seem to do for the dick-measuring that comes along with having 16gb of ram.

Secondly, the processor he has picked out is great. The returns on performance vs. price for anything above what he picked is so diminishing that he won't be gaining much for the price he'll be paying.


^1 - well said
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October 25, 2012 5:53:51 PM

Skip the 16 gigs and anything above 3570 and put the saved $ toward a video card
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October 25, 2012 6:12:00 PM

toyftw said:
^1 - well said


I lol'd at the porn part--jus had to throw it in, eh :D 
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October 25, 2012 6:28:57 PM

nstiver said:
I lol'd at the porn part--jus had to throw it in, eh :D 


I lol'd at the porn part too
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October 25, 2012 7:05:49 PM

we are lol'd a lot in this topic :D 
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October 25, 2012 7:28:22 PM

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^lol.... did they advise you to pair a non -k 3770 with an evo 212 cooler on a z77 board with a 550ti AND a sound card aswell?


The 3770 non-k is a better CPU for running virtual machines than the k model. Yes, the k model can as well, just that the non-k model is better at it. While I am at running virtual machines, the extra RAM is nice.

The stock cooler on Intel systems is not very good, and the EVO 212 was less than $30, so it was a no brainer.

Since I am not playing the latest and greatest games, so an ultra high end video card was not necessary. Besides I run Linux mostly and AMD drivers for Linux suck. The Nvidia 6 series of video cards are not as well supported from Ubuntu as the 5 series. Unlike RAM, next gen video cards will work in today's motherboards. In 2-3 years DDR3-1600 will probably be 3-5X the price of the next gen stuff (DDR4, DDR5?), and DDR3-1600 is the sweet spot for price. Why not max the system out.

When the motherboard makers make a sound card that sounds as good as a discrete sound card, I will use it. The audio included on the motherboard I bought, while functional, does not sound anywhere near as good as a 4 year old discrete solution.

These are my opinions, and I am the one who paid for the system. Your opinion obviously differs from mine.
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October 25, 2012 8:06:12 PM

^ WHAT!?!?

U will NEVER need 16gb for gaming, OP

Get a 3570k, it overclocks well, and it sounds like you won't be running a virtual machine, and the i5 3570k will overclock very nicely with unlocked multipliers

Spend extra money on a 120hz moniter , and a nice graphics card that will PWN modern games

LOLed about the stupidity of stchman xD
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October 25, 2012 8:07:46 PM

Get ma 7870 2GB which rhapes the 660 for like 220$
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October 25, 2012 8:45:05 PM

openfire070 said:
^ WHAT!?!?

U will NEVER need 16gb for gaming, OP

Get a 3570k, it overclocks well, and it sounds like you won't be running a virtual machine, and the i5 3570k will overclock very nicely with unlocked multipliers

Spend extra money on a 120hz moniter , and a nice graphics card that will PWN modern games

LOLed about the stupidity of stchman xD


I "LOLed" at your spelling and grammar.

If the OP will ONLY game, and games are essentially 32bit, then anything over 4GB is overkill. Tell the OP to save money and get 4GB of RAM.
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October 25, 2012 9:26:28 PM

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LOL! I thought you would have the smarts to leave this thread alone atleast. Alas, you are either THE greatest troll of ALL TIME, or one of the 5 single dumbest human beings on the planet. Since im about to dissect everything you just said apart, im hoping its the latter lol....

1. 3770k and 3770 are the EXACT SAME PROCESSOR, the k's only difference between them in the unlocked multiplier on the K allowing you to overclock. They "run virtual machines" (maybe thats code for 14 tabs of beastiality concurrently) exactly the same at stock frequency, however when overclocked the the K blows by its locked brother!

2. Stock intel cooler is PERFECT for STOCK FREQUENCIES which your processor HAS to run! There is ZERO point in an aftermarket cooler unless you are overclocking!

3. High end? The 550 ti is garbage! Absolute garbage! It gets DESTROYED by the 7750/7770/6850 all of which cost the same or less and consume MUCH less power while providing MUCH greater performance. AMDs linux drivers are excellent! They have an entire team devoted to them as well as an opensource version aswell. Both work great!

4. Your brief exploration of future technological and economic conditions is humorous at best and just plain retarded if i were to be perfectly honest.

5. By whose measure does your sound card provide better quality sound that your on board unit? Unless you are doing music production and/or have an insane 7.1 setup (i have 7.1 setups on both my computers running audio out of my video card and both work and sound great) i see no reason to even think of purchasing one.


Post your system specs unless you are embarrassed about your Pentium 4.



1. I got the 3770 at a REALLY, REALLY great deal (approx $60 less than a 3770k).

2. That is your opinion. The EVO 212 is a really great cooler, and for $27, hard to pass up.

3. I never claimed the GTX 550 Ti I got was high end. Since I am not a hard core gamer, I saw no reason to buy a $350 video card. Also AMD's Linux drivers suck. I have been running Linux for > 5 years and Radeon based cards are FAR more problematic that Nvidia cards in a Linux system. That's just the facts.

4. So you think DDR3 will DROP in price when next generation memory comes out? DDR2 is a LOT more expensive today per GB than DDR3. If you don't believe me then go to Newegg and price it. When DDR4 (only makes sense that it will be called that) comes out, DDR3 will be in the legacy RAM category and you will have to pay a lot more per GB than you do now.

5. My ears tell me that the Audigy card I bought 4 years ago sounds WAY better than the integrated audio on my Z77 motherboard.

You and many other forum members are really good at name calling and other assorted negative behavior. I'm almost 100% certain that you don't say these things to someone's face.
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October 25, 2012 10:02:39 PM

stchman said:
What made me LOL was your grammar.




stchman said:
I "LOLed" at your spelling and grammar.

If the OP will ONLY game, and games are essentially 32bit, then anything over 4GB is overkill. Tell the OP to save money and get 4GB of RAM.



are you English teacher ?
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October 26, 2012 3:33:35 AM

This thread should really just be closed.

Except its really funny to watch. :) 
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October 26, 2012 4:44:03 AM

This thread is getting worse by the minute lol. to the dude who said to get 32 gigs of ram--just swallow your pride and admit you were wrong--not a big deal. Everyone else lets lay off and not be mean to the poor dude we've proved our point many times over.

@ OP if you are still listening, do you know what rig you have decided on?
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November 2, 2012 2:55:08 AM

ill go with this i think...

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/lc5s
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/lc5s/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/lc5s/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.82 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($38.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($284.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec One ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS90 DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Acer GD235HZbid 120Hz 23.6" Monitor ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($91.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1233.71
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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