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October 25, 2012 12:50:25 AM

My purpose is a better system than my old, used for 3d rendering (So speed is important) and no gaming other than casual Second Life use. Max Budget is 900. The less I can spend, the better :) 

Please help me by reviewing my choices before I make the purchase :hello: 

!!!!New system!!!!

CURRENT UPDATED BUILD: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/lm4j


Original Post:
Case (already own) Antec 900 ATX midtower:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU Cooler (already own) Dark Knight:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Operating System, Windows 7 OEM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU (will overclock) AMD FX-8320 3.5GHZ :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Mobo. GIGABYTE GA-990FXA:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
HDD. Seagate Barracuda 500gb:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM. G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU. APEVIA ATX-AQ700W-BK 700W 12v:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GPU. Raedon 7850:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



My monitor is crap right now, I'll upgrade to a good one in the future.




Old system:

Antec 900 Tower
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU cooler Dark Knight
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Geforce 9600gt
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU AMD phenom quad core 2.5ghz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
gigabye amd 790gx mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
7200 rpm HDD 32mb cache
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
& OEM windows vista
October 25, 2012 1:00:23 AM

Other than 'as low as possible' for what you spend, what is your budget that you're willing to spend (at most)?

I think most people would suggest you avoid Apevia for a PSU. I'd recommend Seasonic, XFX, or an Antec power supply (probably something around 600-650 watts). Though I'm not sure how much you'd need for OC'ing the CPU.
October 25, 2012 1:08:55 AM

macgreen said:
Other than 'as low as possible' for what you spend, what is your budget that you're willing to spend (at most)?

I think most people would suggest you avoid Apevia for a PSU. I'd recommend Seasonic, XFX, or an Antec power supply (probably something around 600-650 watts). Though I'm not sure how much you'd need for OC'ing the CPU.




$900 max. Edited my post.

Have never OC'd before but someone in another thread said to buy the cheaper CPU and overclock it to match the more expensive CPU. (This one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...)




NEW PSU:

How about this one? It's $70 after rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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October 25, 2012 2:32:23 AM

That one should be fine, though perhaps a bit overkill unless you're gonna SLI/Crossfire in the future (your budget doesn't let you do it immediately, I think). And let's see here. Which parts are you going to re-use from the old machine?

From what I can tell, the case, optical drive... the cpu cooler as well?

Do you have parts preferences other than nvidia? What about CPU, do you prefer either AMD or Intel? Or does it matter, so long as you get a good end result? I'm going to try building an Intel based machine (your CPU cooler is good for it, it looks like... unless you don't have the parts that makes it compatible, maybe. If that's the case, that's good info to have).

Edit:

Intel Build
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/llPa

This gives you an XFX Radeon 7870 2gb card rather than the 7850 you mention above. I saw that you already have a HDD that you can use. Since the Vista is an OEM version, it's basically stuck with the mobo you've got currently, so I added an OEM copy of Windows 7 to the list. If you want an SSD, there's a Crucial M4 64gb for around $80 that you could add in. As it is, the build is roughly $792 before rebates ($762 with them). I also downgraded the PSU to the 650 watt version as well. Altogether, you still have a little over $100 to play with for other parts (more fans, adding an SSD, etc) before you hit your $900 mark.

AMD Build
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/llSU

FX-8320 with roughly the same stats, though a little faster core clock than the Intel. Cheaper, though, at about $732 overall.

And I will be completely honest with you, there are people here who'll know better about system building than I do, so don't be surprised if they tend to disagree with me on the sample builds here. Especially when it comes to AMD builds, I'm just not that familiar with them compared to Intel.
October 25, 2012 3:00:26 AM

The Antec HCG 750 PSU is a much better. Check the reviews at RealHardTechx.com.
October 25, 2012 3:04:38 AM

macgreen said:
That one should be fine, though perhaps a bit overkill unless you're gonna SLI/Crossfire in the future (your budget doesn't let you do it immediately, I think). And let's see here. Which parts are you going to re-use from the old machine?

From what I can tell, the case, optical drive... the cpu cooler as well?

Do you have parts preferences other than nvidia? What about CPU, do you prefer either AMD or Intel? Or does it matter, so long as you get a good end result? I'm going to try building an Intel based machine (your CPU cooler is good for it, it looks like... unless you don't have the parts that makes it compatible, maybe. If that's the case, that's good info to have).

Edit:

Intel Build
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/llPa

This gives you an XFX Radeon 7870 2gb card rather than the 7850 you mention above. I saw that you already have a HDD that you can use. Since the Vista is an OEM version, it's basically stuck with the mobo you've got currently, so I added an OEM copy of Windows 7 to the list. If you want an SSD, there's a Crucial M4 64gb for around $80 that you could add in. As it is, the build is roughly $792 before rebates ($762 with them). I also downgraded the PSU to the 650 watt version as well. Altogether, you still have a little over $100 to play with for other parts (more fans, adding an SSD, etc) before you hit your $900 mark.

AMD Build
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/llSU

FX-8320 with roughly the same stats, though a little faster core clock than the Intel. Cheaper, though, at about $732 overall.




No HDD, that was my old system. The entire thing fried except the Case, optical drive, & CPU cooler :(  . I am basically rebuying the entire system.

Thanks so much for the 2 links. I will check them out. I don't really have a preference in terms of intel or amd. I just was using amd previously and liked it.

Here is a link to my set up: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/llGz


Thanks :) 
October 25, 2012 3:07:43 AM

That should do fine, but I'd definitely suggest getting the xfx double d radeon 7870 video card instead. After MIR, it's only $210 (without, it's only $230). It's not necessary, since the 7850's a good card as well, but I think it's worth an extra $20. Your choice, however.
October 25, 2012 3:28:18 AM

macgreen said:
That should do fine, but I'd definitely suggest getting the xfx double d radeon 7870 video card instead. After MIR, it's only $210 (without, it's only $230). It's not necessary, since the 7850's a good card as well, but I think it's worth an extra $20. Your choice, however.


Just got done looking at your 2 builds. I don't really know what I am doing either but we used a lot of the same hardware for the AMD. I got rid of the 7850 card and upped it to your 7870.

I swapped the power supply to the Antec 750w because it is cheaper on newegg than the lower wattage one on Amazon (Though I wonder in the long run if i'd save on electric bill by going with the lower watt).

Anyway, here is the link to the 'final' build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/lm4j

You think that HDD is ok?
Btw, you mentioned a SSD and the crucial m4. I googled ssd and it said they tend to fail at about 2 years?
October 25, 2012 3:34:36 AM

Well, I haven't owned an SSD for that long yet, so I'm not so certain about that. If that's the case though... you may be better off with a cheaper one just for loading the OS onto and just using a mechanical drive for everything else. Otherwise, that HDD should be just fine, though I'd check the 1 TB drives to see if they might be worth getting (if there's one that's about $30 more, I'd say go for it).

I don't think you'd save in the long run with a lower wattage PSU. Every system draws a certain wattage, and a PSU just allows it to draw up to a certain amount. I might be wrong about that, however. That said, the 750w does leave you room to Crossfire in the future, I think.
October 25, 2012 3:38:03 AM

Heh, looks like goold ol newegg still has horrible shipping prices to Hawaii.

Gonna have to find my stuff elsewhere. Hopefully amazon has a lot of the same hardware I've chosen (Even if it's more expensive face value, I save because shipping is free)

Newegg may as well suck up and pay for some of the shipping fees cause now they lost an $800 sale.
October 25, 2012 3:39:40 AM

macgreen said:
Well, I haven't owned an SSD for that long yet, so I'm not so certain about that. If that's the case though... you may be better off with a cheaper one just for loading the OS onto and just using a mechanical drive for everything else. Otherwise, that HDD should be just fine, though I'd check the 1 TB drives to see if they might be worth getting (if there's one that's about $30 more, I'd say go for it).

I don't think you'd save in the long run with a lower wattage PSU. Every system draws a certain wattage, and a PSU just allows it to draw up to a certain amount. I might be wrong about that, however. That said, the 750w does leave you room to Crossfire in the future, I think.



Ah, ssd may be something for me to look at when I get some more cash.
Thanks so much for your help!
greatly appreciated :D 
October 25, 2012 3:40:53 AM

You could try NCIX as well. The seem to have all the parts other than the CPU and mobo. In fact... it looks like no one except newegg has the CPU, according to the pcpartfinder. Hopefully, you can find 'em on Amazon anyway.
October 25, 2012 3:44:51 AM

How much power your computer uses depends on the mobo, cpu , gpu, fans and drives not the wattage of the psu. The 750 watt Antec will save you more electricity then the 400 watt psu. The Antec is rated 80 bronze and is more efficient than the 400 watt dose not have a rating at all. Also psu are most deficient providing about 50% of their max rated output.
October 25, 2012 4:14:18 AM

Goodeggray said:
How much power your computer uses depends on the mobo, cpu , gpu, fans and drives not the wattage of the psu. The 750 watt Antec will save you more electricity then the 400 watt psu. The Antec is rated 80 bronze and is more efficient than the 400 watt dose not have a rating at all. Also psu are most deficient providing about 50% of their max rated output.

Oh wow that's pretty interesting.

I found the 750w antec on amazon but the 620w is $30 cheaper, it is also rated 80 bronze so it should do good :D 
October 25, 2012 4:17:16 AM

Yep. I wouldn't try to Crossfire with a 620w, but for a single GPU and what you have in the system, it should work just fine. And if it's $30 cheaper, you just offset the difference between your old 7850 choice and the 7870 I talked you into. And then some. Very nice.
October 25, 2012 4:22:43 AM

macgreen said:
You could try NCIX as well. The seem to have all the parts other than the CPU and mobo. In fact... it looks like no one except newegg has the CPU, according to the pcpartfinder. Hopefully, you can find 'em on Amazon anyway.

Cool, I'll check them out!

I found most of the stuff on Amazon, def. more expensive merchandise so now i've gotta spend some time seeing which method is cheaper. Amazon and saving on shipping. Or newegg/NCIX and paying shipping. This is gonna be a fun night :sleep: 

Amazon has got the mobo but no piledriver's. They also have the XFX 7870, though it's titled "Core edition" I think it's the same thing.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007MJGMXQ/ref=ox_sc_a...

Found some Corsair vengeance 16gb ram for cheaper than the G.skill 16gb ram as well. That's good.
October 25, 2012 4:28:30 AM

Careful with the RAM choices. Make sure to get low-profile (like the Ares variety by G.Skill), so it doesn't interfere with the CPU cooler. If it doesn't stick up too high, then the RAM should be fine.

Actually, the GPU I suggested was the Double D version. It has two fans.
http://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-DisplayPort-PCI-Expres...
October 25, 2012 5:04:25 AM

macgreen said:
Careful with the RAM choices. Make sure to get low-profile (like the Ares variety by G.Skill), so it doesn't interfere with the CPU cooler. If it doesn't stick up too high, then the RAM should be fine.

Actually, the GPU I suggested was the Double D version. It has two fans.
http://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-DisplayPort-PCI-Expres...

kk Thanks man!

I take back what I said about newegg.. The shipping was pretty decent considering it comes in 2 days.
It actually came out a couple dollars cheaper than Amazon's price due to their rebates and lower merchandise cost.

Really appreciate the help, thanks again!
October 25, 2012 5:15:34 AM

No problem. I was worried about the shipping rates since you said they had to ship to Hawaii, but it's good that it's not nearly as bad as your reaction suggested.

Also, the XFX Double D may be out of stock right now (it was this time two nights ago). It seems to come back in stock pretty quickly, I managed to nab one yesterday morning. It seems a lot of people like it's price, and I don't blame 'em.

Glad to help (as much as I was able to, anyway).
!