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October 25, 2012 5:40:40 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: Within the next 2 weeks

Budget Range: Prefer $700-800 but willing to go up to $1000

System Usage from Most to Least Important: 1) Gaming 2) Streaming and Video Editing

Are you buying a monitor: No, not right now - but will upgrade to 3 monitors next year.



Parts to Upgrade: I need a Motherboard, CPU, and RAM - Possible CPU Fan...depends if my current one will fit on new mobo/cpu.
Parts being used: I will be using my old case, my new PSU, a video card, hard drive, dvd writer, and cpu fan.
Old case: Cooler Master HAF 932 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... )
My PSU: Corsair HX1050 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... )
Video Card: EVGA GTX 580 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... )
Hard Drive: Western Digital 500GB ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... )
DVD Writer: Samsung DVD Writer ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... )
CPU Fan: Xigmatek Dark Knight ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... )

NOTE: Willing to replace CPU fan, because mine may not be good enough. May not even fit on new motherboard.
NOTE: Plan on upgrading video card to GTX 780, but for now just using old 580 friend giving me.


Do you need to buy OS: No - I own Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit edition.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg.

Location: Marion, KY - No decent computer stores in the area. Best buy is an hour away. Prefer to just order parts online at Newegg.

Parts Preferences: I stick with Intel. I'd prefer to stick with brands such as Asus and Gigabyte if possible for motherboard. I might be open to suggestion to new brands though.

Overclocking: Maybe. I've never tried it, but if i found enough material about it online or had a friend walk me through it to make me feel comfortable doing it, I'd be willing to.

SLI or Crossfire: No/Maybe - Right now, I'll be sticking to just using 1 GTX 580 video card. Once the 780 comes out, I will probably just use one, possibly 2. It all depends if I'll need 2 for the things I do.

Your Monitor Resolution: For now I use 1920x1200 on my 24". Eventually, sometime next year, I will replace this monitor and buy 3 new 24" monitors and run a triple setup.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: Time for a new rig.

Additional Comments: I did some browsing on Newegg. I want to build a new rig with mostly just the mobo/cpu/ram/possible cpu fan for now. I want one that will last me the next 4-5 years when it comes to upgrading some parts such as the video card, cpu, adding ram over the next few years, eventually adding a SSD and maybe a 1 or 2 TB hard drive. Like, I was trying to decide between a LGA 1155 or a LGA 2011.

I did some browsing on Newegg, and I thought about this setup I have linked below. I do have some concerns though. Let me post the parts I was considering and then I'll explain my concerns and questions.

Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth X79 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... )
CPU: Intel Core i7-3820 Sandy Bridge-3 3.6Ghz Quad Core ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... )
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... )

First off, is this a decent pick? I was browsing Newegg, and right now there are only 3 CPU's even available for LGA 2011. Otherwise, what do you suggest?
Also, if this is a good pick that will allow for upgrades over the next say 4-5 years, will my CPU fan that I currently have fit this motherboard, and will it cool the CPU? Otherwise, can you suggest a CPU fan?
As for my concern. After speaking with my friend, and both of us doing research, we came across some information.
Apparently the X79 itself is “PCI 3.0 Ready” but NONE of the CPU’s have the right 3.0 controller yet to properly use 3.0. So without questionable bios hacks (that completely confuse me and the boards I lurk on have people arguing back and forth on if the hack actually enables 3.0 speeds or not) you can’t even use PCI speeds with nvidia cards yet. Possibly with AMD video cards but not sure of that.

NOTE: I'd rather not do any bios hack at all as it may void the warranty on the X79 motherboard. Plus I wouldn't be comfortable doing that anyway.

So my concern is, do the CPU's have the right 3.0 controller to even use 3.0? If not, is there much difference performance wise between 3.0 and 2.0 with a GTX 580? If not, will the new CPU's coming out say in the next 6-12 months have the right 3.0 controller to even use 3.0?
I also picked out the X79 because I may go with 2 GTX 780's by next year sometime, if funds allow.

My main use for the machine is playing huge graphic games. I will be playing the new expansion to the MMO Rift. But I'm also a huge FPS gamer. I love the CoD, MoH, Battlefield series.

I will also be streaming my gaming online, which is heavily used on the CPU and RAM right? I will also be frapsing and doing some video editing as I have in the past.

I realize I could probably go cheaper and go the LGA 1155 route, and I'm willing to. I'm just looking for a nice solid build that will last me the next 4-5 years that will allow room for upgrade and additions like more ram, a SSD, dual graphics, triple monitor, etc..

I appreciate everyone's time reading this and any advice they offer is welcomed. Thank you for your time.

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October 25, 2012 6:33:21 PM

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heres something to get you going

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/loL8
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/loL8/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/loL8/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-C14 CPU Cooler ($72.29 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme6 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $817.25

1. Get 2x8 on the ram 4x4 will fill you up
2. Sabertooth is gimicky and overpriced, also youll want something tri/quad capable since your going with an older card and are looking at a future 3 monitor setup (The extreme6 allows for quadfire, sabertooth only dual cards).
3. lga 2011 is ludicrously overpriced, especially since you are just gaming. Stick with lga 1155, you wont notice any difference at all.
4. Does your entire order need to be from newegg?
5. PCI 3.0 works fine on any new processor, there are no hacks needed. I think you are just confused about something you read (probably about how no GPU maxes out 2.0 yet so the extra bandwidth on 3.0 isnt put to use yet).


I never plan to go more than dual cards. Wouldn't more then that be overkill for just gaming, streaming, and video editing?

I'd prefer my entire order come from newegg, although I could accept a place like Amazon. I get money back via Ebates shopping through sites they support.

As for SSD, I won't be ordering one of those for now. I'll just be sticking with my 500 gig hard drive for now. It'll be a little while before I start up streaming and video editing. I'll add a SSD here in a few months. I know your budget allows the SSD, but I'm just gonna wait on that. That's why I was investing in mobo/cpu/ram/cpu fan for now.

You say the sabertooth x79 for lga 2011 is overpriced. It probably is, yeah, but would it be the better way to go since I don't want a SSD right now and it would allow some awesome upgrades a year down the line?

The older card is only temporary. I hear the 780 is coming out in a matter of a few months, so I'll be upgrading then probably.

The LGA 1155 you linked only does x16 for one card, and x8/x8 for the dual. Wouldn't the x16/x16 from the X79 be better say if I were gonna use 2 GTX 780's?
October 26, 2012 3:18:24 AM

I was also thinking of buying this combo instead. Let me know what you think.

Motherboard: Asus Maximus V Extreme LGA 1155 Z77 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU Fan: ZALMAN CNPS9900MAX-B 135mm - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

A few months down the line I'll get 1 or 2 GTX 780's, and add in a SSD and triple monitor system, plus get another additional 16GB's of ram to max it out at 32.

It's either this, or perhaps the x79 setup, or another setup like recommend above, or even something else.

More advice and suggestions are appreciated. :) 
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