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Have the means for GTX 690 but worth it?

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October 26, 2012 7:26:32 PM

Hey so i know the 690 is by far the most expensive card and probably the cost of SLI 2 680s, but i hear it can get the same results on its own, so im just wondering would you guys reccommend that i go fot the GTX 690, i just got paid today and so have enough to finish my homebuild and buy the remaining pieces, a little extra work and ive realised i have even enough to get the 690....

Now my build is mainly focused on lasting a long time so i wont need to be doing too much configuration too soon, ill definitley need to buy a new PSU though as i only got 600W which was silly as i should of bought the whole build at once!But really im just seeing if the pros outweigh the cost and if it really perfomrms so high as a SLI solo then maybe its a good deal in the long run, thanks for reading!

Oh P.S. i havnt got a aftermarket cooler for the CPU, would you say it is almost mandatory or is it for OC's, which i dont really plan on doing in the near future as its only my frst build and im no wiz at computers yet! :pt1cable: 

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October 26, 2012 7:33:11 PM

Honestly I don't like the 690 at all. 2 680's are more powerful and 2 670's are almost as strong. I would consider crossfiring two 7970 ghz editions. That should give you better performance, especially when the new drivers come out. Look at this too, tomshardware recently redid the top tiers of their gpu hierarchy, by adding in a new tier, not the 7970 ghz. edition is higher up than the 680, and it also cost less.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...
I don't know why you would get anything else.
October 26, 2012 7:37:51 PM

If you are considering the card strictly for gaming - I would say yes under one, possibly two conditions 1) You have a micro-ATX or smaller motherboard and 2) you are running multiple monitors.
If either (or both) of those conditions do not apply, I don't think it'll be worthwhile in the long run. I would say not recommended.
If there are other considerations outside of gaming, that could have some bearing of course.
My $0.02
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October 26, 2012 7:39:07 PM

thanks for the advice appreciate it, does does crossfiring require any particular components to be a certain brand in my build? and what wattage should i aim for if so?
October 26, 2012 7:44:57 PM

think i will stick with maybe the gtx range,posiibly SLI
October 26, 2012 7:46:48 PM

If you go for crossfire, you need a crossfire bridge, to bridge the two cards together, and get a motherboard with at least 2 pcie slots. preferably the same speed. Ie two 3.0@x8 such as this one
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EDIT
Also I fully think amd is better this year. They make better gpus for that same or lower price. I don't know why you would get a nvidia card at this point to be honest. Also, if you choose to get 2 7970's I would say a 750-850w power supply would do.
October 26, 2012 7:59:54 PM

lt_dan_zsu said:
Honestly I don't like the 690 at all. 2 680's are more powerful and 2 670's are almost as strong. I would consider crossfiring two 7970 ghz editions. That should give you better performance, especially when the new drivers come out. Look at this too, tomshardware recently redid the top tiers of their gpu hierarchy, by adding in a new tier, not the 7970 ghz. edition is higher up than the 680, and it also cost less.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...
I don't know why you would get anything else.


I'm having a similar conversation in another thread. for the $1k range TH list still lists the 690 as the best bet, and you avoid any headaches with Xfire/heat/power variables if you don't want to deal with that.

If your gaming on a single display 1440/1600p and are looking for longevity of gaming above 60FPS on ultra, doesn't staying with the single most powerful card have less points of failure than tangling with duals?
October 26, 2012 8:00:19 PM

600W is fine for a GTX 690 assuming it's a quality PSU.

If you don't plan on upgrading for a long time, I'd go for the GTX 690. Any other equally strong configuration is going to require a new PSU.

If you're gaming on a single 1080P monitor though, I think anything more than a single HD 7970 is overkill.
October 26, 2012 8:05:11 PM

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No its not. It will get absolutely SHAT on by 2 7970s for ALOT less.


Do you find that once you on stable drivers you stay on those or do you move up soon as new releases come out? Reason I ask is I have had nothing but problems with Amd driver upgrades on win7 64 for years, the old have to remove all MS C++ redistrib blue screen errors issue.
October 26, 2012 8:15:33 PM

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I move up; AMD has gotten there *** together recently and its a pretty simple process that provides HUGE performance gains. 12.7 and 12.11 were both ridiculous in the improvements they made ( ~10% each!).

I know alot of people complain about AMDs history but the 7770 is the first amd card ive owned (rockin it on my htpc) and going from 12.6 when i bought to 12.7 to 12.8 to 12.11 (skipped 12.10 didnt really offer much) was pretty simple.

1. Unistall CCC.
2. Wipe with driver fusion
3. Install new drivers
4. Reboot! Good to go!


Well I think Jdizzy135 is gonna stay GTX but your selling me some koolaid on going xfire jrgong and I'm tempted to drink it. I'm ordering my new system tonight. One last question for you on the Xfire, go Ghz editions or don't bother?
October 26, 2012 8:20:05 PM

Just because you have the means does not mean you should use it. I have given advice to friends to not spend too much money. Get 1 680 a nice chunk of change, and a new power supply. Then if you decide 1 680 is not enough for you in a month get a second
October 26, 2012 8:32:15 PM

jackspeed said:
Just because you have the means does not mean you should use it. I have given advice to friends to not spend too much money. Get 1 680 a nice chunk of change, and a new power supply. Then if you decide 1 680 is not enough for you in a month get a second


Sounds reasonable ;) 

Thanks btw everyone i did read all the comments and got me thinking about 7970 too, im new to building my own so all the Driver issues with them im obvlious too, just have always had Nvidia make so was playing safe i guess even though AMD is a renound competitior so im just being silly :D 
October 26, 2012 8:32:23 PM

High performance equipment is always a matter of diminishing returns. Only you know if you want to pay the extra.
October 26, 2012 8:39:11 PM

tinman12 said:
I'm having a similar conversation in another thread. for the $1k range TH list still lists the 690 as the best bet, and you avoid any headaches with Xfire/heat/power variables if you don't want to deal with that.

If your gaming on a single display 1440/1600p and are looking for longevity of gaming above 60FPS on ultra, doesn't staying with the single most powerful card have less points of failure than tangling with duals?

But a 690 is sli. Its two cards on one slot so it can get many of the same issues as sli/xfire. Plus it is just so overpriced lol. One 7970GHz is far more than enough. Then just wait till they drop in price to around $300 and you can buy another one when you will actually need it.
October 26, 2012 11:25:43 PM

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Link/pm your thread i need to know that the rest of your system is like before i give any outright recommendations



Sent you a pm
October 26, 2012 11:47:11 PM

I have to ask what your monitor setup is like first. 1080p? Bigger? Single screen? Triple?

A 7870 or 670 will get you 60fps+ @ 1920x1080 on anything current now. Anything extra is overkill in my eyes. Obviously there's benefit in getting a little extra so it can still play games that come out in a year or two. Personally, I wouldn't bother going above a 680 / 7970 right now. The extra power consumption, heat, and noise just aren't worth it to me. You may be different and want the bragging rights of the biggest toys, and if so I won't fault that.

If it were me, I'd grab a 680 / 7970 and either pocket the rest or put it into a bigger SSD, nicer monitor, or premium case.
October 27, 2012 12:13:18 AM

Grab two 670s for SLI= 690 pretty much and cheaper.
October 27, 2012 7:47:37 AM

redeemer said:
Grab two 670s for SLI= 690 pretty much and cheaper.


Or grab 2 7970's for the same price and have MORE power!
October 27, 2012 7:50:55 AM

jmsellars1 said:
600W is fine for a GTX 690 assuming it's a quality PSU.

If you don't plan on upgrading for a long time, I'd go for the GTX 690. Any other equally strong configuration is going to require a new PSU.

If you're gaming on a single 1080P monitor though, I think anything more than a single HD 7970 is overkill.



The minimum required is 650 Watts why low ball it on a 690 is besides me. You ought to be using at least 100 watts over to give yourself some room.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
October 27, 2012 10:08:39 AM

GTX 690 has a 300W TDP, an i5 is 77-95W. The rest of the system would be around 30-40W. The TDP shows more power than they will ever actually pull as well. Actual power draw probably wouldn't exceed 400W. 600W is fine.

Those recommendations have to take into account that people buy crappy PSU's and use 140W CPU's etc.

EDIT: Well 600W is fine assuming an i5 anyway, if it's AMD then 600W would work but it is cutting it very fine. I'd go 650W with an AMD CPU.
October 27, 2012 10:55:45 AM

Oh okay that makes sense I mean if you can calculate the amount of power draw your computer pushes then awesome. Is there a way to convert TDP into watts I'm trying to figure out what my avg output is on my system. I ask because you seem to know a bit more then I do.

Intel Core i5 2500k
Asrock Z68 EXTREME4 Gen 3
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB OC
Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600 8GB (2x4)
Creative Soundblaster X-Fi Titanium Fatality Professional
Samsung 830 256GB SATA III SSD
Seagate Barracuda 500 GB SATA II
LG 12x Super Multi Blue WH12LS38
CM Storm Sniper
Corsair AX850 PSU
Corsair Hydro H100


October 27, 2012 11:01:57 AM

RedJaron said:
I have to ask what your monitor setup is like first. 1080p? Bigger? Single screen? Triple?

A 7870 or 670 will get you 60fps+ @ 1920x1080 on anything current now. Anything extra is overkill in my eyes. Obviously there's benefit in getting a little extra so it can still play games that come out in a year or two. Personally, I wouldn't bother going above a 680 / 7970 right now. The extra power consumption, heat, and noise just aren't worth it to me. You may be different and want the bragging rights of the biggest toys, and if so I won't fault that.

If it were me, I'd grab a 680 / 7970 and either pocket the rest or put it into a bigger SSD, nicer monitor, or premium case.



Sorry late reply just home from work,

Im using a 27 "Asus VE276N, was gonna save up for 3D monitor but didnt think it was worth it currently, anyone else gamed in 3D found it too be a different level of 'experience'
October 27, 2012 1:42:48 PM

bigshootr8 said:
Oh okay that makes sense I mean if you can calculate the amount of power draw your computer pushes then awesome. Is there a way to convert TDP into watts I'm trying to figure out what my avg output is on my system. I ask because you seem to know a bit more then I do.

Intel Core i5 2500k
Asrock Z68 EXTREME4 Gen 3
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB OC
Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600 8GB (2x4)
Creative Soundblaster X-Fi Titanium Fatality Professional
Samsung 830 256GB SATA III SSD
Seagate Barracuda 500 GB SATA II
LG 12x Super Multi Blue WH12LS38
CM Storm Sniper
Corsair AX850 PSU
Corsair Hydro H100



You probably draw something like 250-300W from the PSU while gaming. If you had heavy overclocks you might get closer to 350-400W. 500W+ would be recommended. Personally I would have got one of those 520W Seasonics. That PSU is great, much more than you needed to spend but no harm in it really. I'm in the same boat really, I only really needed 400W but I wanted a PSU with a hybrid fan, 560W was about as low as it goes.
October 27, 2012 7:34:19 PM

@jmsellars1
Well JM I had a setup that had two 560ti's and I had a TX650 Corsair. And I would of gotten something smaller but I wanted a gold rated power supply for the power efficiency to lower my power bill every month. I needed something stronger then what I had.
October 29, 2012 3:39:08 PM

Jdizzy135 said:
Sorry late reply just home from work,

Im using a 27 "Asus VE276N, was gonna save up for 3D monitor but didnt think it was worth it currently, anyone else gamed in 3D found it too be a different level of 'experience'

But that's still just a 1920x1080 resolution. I think a dual GPU setup is completely wasted on single screen setups. You're just drawing more electricity but not getting any appreciable performance increase. If you want the best, grab a 680 or 7970 right now. That's more sufficient for the time being and the foreseeable future. If you start getting sluggish graphics in a year when newer games come out, you can get a second card then ( and prices will have dropped a lot by that time. )
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